Trump is going to make Germany pay lmfao. How do krauts and

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>tfw not in NATO

>>72451961
Germany already pays us money to keep bases there. Trump is just shitposting to try and distract everyone from the fact that he was petty enough to not shake Merkel's hand.

oh yes, just like mexico is paying for the wall and nothing in the us federal budget is spent on it
just like a total immigration ban happened and stuck
i'll believe it when i see it senpai

>>72452094
He can't shake her hand because going macho on a woman an pulling her would be looked down even by /pol/tards.
At the same time if he does nothing he spreads the roomer that Leafman has destroyed him to his core on handshaking.

I'm all for it

>>72451961
this is gonna get used as an argument for creating Germany's EU army

>>72452224
leafman absolutely did.

i bet he's self conscious as fuck about his tiny little hands wrapping around another hand now.

>>72451961
So NATO is a protection racket. I'm glad he made it clear.

Why does Trump hate Germany so much? Is he ashamed of his German heritage?

>>72451961
KEKED

>>72452537
Germans are literally insufferable. People think Brits are smug, but Germans take smugness to a whole new level.

If Trump cares so much about the defense of human life, why doesn't he close Guantanamo Bay? Or abolish the death penalty and actually follows human rights conventions? Or just pull the American soldiers out of Germany and send them where they're actually needed?
It's kind of funny how Trump gets along really well with Israel's PM, but has problems with Germany
really makes you think

>>72452094
They pay for the bases but they do not pay for NATO

>>72452537
It's mutual.

http://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-ancestry-forefathers-kallstadt/

>>72451961
He is hurting our right wing party AFD because the media is 100% against Trump and your average German eats it up. So (((he))) is ensuring that we get a left wing government next.

>>72452609
>If Trump cares so much about the defense of human life, why doesn't he close Guantanamo Bay?

There is no human life in Guantanamo Bay.

>>72452648
That would be HILARIOUS

>>72452664
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismuth

>>72452609
>why doesn't he close Guantanamo Bay?
We can't find anyone to take the prisoners that are left. No country wants them.

I mean, if we can reach all the way up to you on that high-horse, Germany-kun, perhaps you can take the last handful of sandnigger terrorists we have kicking around in Cuba.

>>72452703
It is the truth though, German media is obsessed with Trump and have exclusively covered him negatively. The average German likes to think of himself as the pinnacle of this world and likes to think of the average American as the garbage of this planet while eating up every tiny bit of shit the American culture industry puts out.

So Trump has overshadowed local events now here for a while and people here are 90% against Trump in the polls which hurts our right wing party as they have similar goals.

>>72452791
The funny thing is that you don't have to hate Trump to think that the average American is the garbage of the planet. When I think of the average American, i think of all those SJWs and tumblr feminists

>>72451961
I don´t want to pay more money to a nation that hates us. American troops should get the out of my country and NATO can die.

>>72452791
That is good

A leftist Germany is a Germany that will bailout us again

>>72452932
>>72452978
>germs are THIS mad about having to pay denbts

>>72453271
I personally don't get why Europe is cucked it can't have its own defense treaty

>>72453311
You're too busy spending money on giving free things to brown people

>>72453311
Entrusting the eternal kraut with an army didn't work out so well before.

>>72453311
It could, theoretically, but most European nations don't want to spend the money necessary to develop and maintain their militaries. A Pan-European alliance without the US and Canada would run into similar problems down the road anyway as Britain and France step up to become the dominant members of the alliance.

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>>72453387
How's that poverty going?

>>72451961
He's right IMO. Everyone should contribute their fair share to NATO, and seeing the state our army is in, it's a good thing that he's pushing us in this regard.

>>72453608
you do understand that the main reason for Germany to be an economic wonder is that the state dont have to pay for its military?

Same for Japan

>>72452609
>>72452648
>>72452791
>>72452932
>>72452978
pay denbts

>>72451961
I'm fine with that. We entered a contract and our leaders can't just decide to not pay for a service.

Also fuck Merkel.

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>>72452648
>>72452791
>>72452932
>>72452978

PAY DEBTS

>>72453782
How cucked can you be? NATO doesn't have any legal obligations to pay for being included into it.

>>72453668
We do pay though, last year 11% of the state budget went to the military. Also how is that related to our economic performance?

>>72453922
oportunity cost, what you dont spend on your military you can spend on tax cut, investment, social service etc...

>>72453271
I´m not just mad. I´m fucking raging. How can my government be so spineless that it cooparates with a nation that looks down on us and insults us?
I want this cucked bitch Merkel and her monkeys out of my country.
I always thought americans were good and honest people and that they respect and like us, but after seeing their true face I just want Yellowstone to erupt.

kek,

since when do you have to pay to the NATO?
you have to spend a certain amount of your money for defense, which germany may have failed in the past time, but you dont pay to the NATO VIP club.

is trump really that uneducated?

>>72453668
Yeah, since Japan is doing so well

Oh wait.

>>72454110
>I always thought americans were good and honest people

The thing is, we've been planning on increasing the military spending for some time now, just because he acts like he's the reason for it, doesn't mean he actually is.

>>72452748
Why don't you take them?

>>72451961
We will just do it like the US and designate a large part of our national research as military related and put things like flood protection and waterway maintenance under the military's command.

>>72454110
>telling people to pay their debts makes you evil
Stop being a parasite.

>>72454651
>debts
>yes, hello, I love to show how uneducated and I am!

>>72454334
pay debnts

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>>72454713

>>72454110
pay your fucking denbts Klaus

>>72454776
It says recommended. There is no law or obligation to actually spend that much.

>>72454776
>>debts
>>yes, hello, I love to show how uneducated I am!

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>>72454596
>just because he acts like he's the reason for it, doesn't mean he actually is.

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>eurocucks

>>72452791

>jews control your media
>average german eats that shit up with a spoon
>average german supposedly has IQ over 100

kek, and you once called yourselves the master race

reel in your idiot already, Americans

>>72454651
If they would just tell me to pay debts I would gladly pay for it.
I would really like to secure worldpeace under the american flag, but when these fuckers constantly tell me that they hate me then I´m not gonna pay anything.

>>72454935
The jews support trump

>>72454943
>not revelling in your chance to finally spam "pay denbts" at Germans
what a boring cunt you are

>>72454890
http://www.bundeswehr-journal.de/2016/haushalt-wehretat-um-102-milliarden-euro-aufgestockt/
http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2016-10/angela-merkel-verteidigung-ausgaben-bundeswehr
http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Merkel-will-Militaerhaushalt-fast-verdoppeln-article18016056.html
>Hi, my name is Trump and I actually have no influence on anything

>>72452609
>>72452648
>>72452791
>>72452932
>>72452978
>>72453608
>>72453782
>>72453922
>>72454110
>>72454334
>>72454522
pay debts

>>72454612
We do take them. That's why they're sitting in Guantanamo, a US base...

>>72454980
Says Belgium
>>72454776

>>72454971
I'm not in the mood to meme, my tummy hurts

>>72454867
>>72454856
Pay denbts already, you won't slither away from this.

Why are Germans so bad at paying debts?

>>72455033
nice try faggot, im greek, im in belgium for the football match against them next week

pay your motherfucking debts

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>>72454977
>all articles are from 2016
>for some time now

>>72452537
Deported from Germany, and his family was ashamed of being German because of the anti-German sentiment after WW2.

>>72452648
pay debts

Why are Germans such ungrateful leeches? To think we gave them a chance. Pay denbts Hans.

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>be german
>don't pay denbts

>Everytime the news reports something that I do not like it's FAKE NEWS

kek, he's so unfit for politics it's hilarious.

let's just enjoy the ride.

>debtmoney

>>72452791
wew

>>72455235
>>72455065
>>72454980
>>72454837
>>72454727
>>72453842
>>72453717
>>72455251

No. Not gonna happen.
What are you going to do about it?

>>72455332
>debtmark

>>72452791
pay debts

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>>72455332

nah, he's always hated fake JEWS, i mean fake news

>>72455457
pay debts

>>72455251
Name one reason why we should pay.

>>72455524
No. Kill yourself Ikigay.

>>72455538
because you have debts

>>72455538
pay denbts

>>72455457
No more NATO for you, krautboy.
Enjoy the cheeki breeki putin deeki in your buttcheeki.

>>72455538
Name one reason why not paying debts is okay

>>72454110
PAY DEBT HANS

>>72455538
because nobody's going to take your European army seriously if Germany continues to prove completely incapable of military competence

>>72454110
>I just want Yellowstone to erupt.

soon

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>>72455092
>be German
>get lectured by a fucking Greek re: debnts

>>72455578
pay debts kraut

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>>72455591
>Enjoy the cheeki breeki putin deeki in your buttcheeki

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Is Germany the most cucked nation on Earth?

>be German
>bully Greece for denbts
>don't pay them yourself

You LITERALLY cannot make this shit up

>>72455602
Because I´m not going to pay a bunch of assholes
who look down on me.

>>72455463
kys

>>72455720
>2 KB
>>>/hr/

Fuck NATO

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>>72455786
do it like Greece
and pay debts

>>72455786
>Merkel has doctorate in physical chemistry
>she's smarter and more qualified than our senile clown chancellor in every way
>she still has to pay denbts

HAHAHAHA KRAUTS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>72455752
DO IT AGAIN

>>72452748
Plenty of African countries would take them. The US often resettles prisoners in poor countries that just want money

>>72452978
see
>>72455591

>>72455752
Probably.

:(

>>72455915
pay

>>72456022
debts

>>72451961
About which defense is he talking? Did I miss something? Did Poland gone full kurwa again? Are the Netherlands sending out troops?

Okay, we'll pay everything you want, right after Carlos payed for the wall!

>>72451961
This sounds like protection money the mafia extorts

you retards.
2% of GDP spent on military spending is equal to a country like greece spending 50% of their GDP.
Germany is a rich country and spends more than enough.
Yes America pays like 4% (?) but they have active wars going on in the middle east and so on. Germany is at peace so naturally our spending is lower.

>>72456378
>trickle down debts
You aren't going to fool me Hans. It's time to pay.

>>72456378
>2% of GDP spent on military spending is equal to a country like greece spending 50% of their GDP.

What did he mean by this? Aren't Krauts supposed to be smart? I think all that train simulator has rotted your brain, Hans.

>>72456378
Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it

>>72456378
check the population of both countries
and then
pay debts

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>>72456432
stop it we don't have debts ok shut up, you are trillions of dollars in debt
>>72456514
military isn't like health care. if you have more money, you have a better military. so a richer country will have a better military if they spend the same percentage of their GDP

>>72456378
>german """"""""""""""education""""""""""""""
guys maybe they don't pay denbts because percentages are too complex

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>>72456599
do it like Greece
and pay debts

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>>72456432
It´s too late burger. We are the jews now.
We shall never pay.

>>72456700
Memes aside.
Germany will probably behave like a slave and pay.
We do love the american dick.

>For "defense"
lmao, fine, fuck off. Also, while you're at it, will you buy back those nukes that you made us "secretly" store against the non-proliferation treaty? Maybe we'll sell them NK or Iran otherwise. Or do we have to send them back ourselves, by airdrop?

>>72456864
Unironically this.
We need nuclear weapons for a strong triple alliance with france and poland who also might need some.

It would be the first step to secure the continent against other powers trying to nibble at its edges.

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>>72454935
Heres a tip. The dumbest whites in America are on the same level as the smartest Europeans. We just don't care about the geography of Europe so they think they are smarter.

>>72456976
You're getting me wrong, I unironically want to get rid of the american nukes we're storing at a military airbase here, which is a public secret. This, despite the Netherlands having signed the non-proliferation treaty, which forbids such actions. Thus, I want the government to get rid of these nukes by selling them to the highest bidder, so we can at least get something out of this bullshit action.

I'm sure NK and Iran are very interested in acquiring them, maybe Pakistan, China and Russia too, meaning USA will have to pay good money for them.

>>72456987
The average Southerner is as smart as the smartest German, Brit and Frenchman? You wish. They barely have the IQ of an average Greek

>>72457214
if it's a secret then how do you know about it?

>>72457252
Apparently you can't read.

>>72457311
People always believed the government was bullshitting them about the presence of nukes, and in 2013 two former prime ministers (Lubbers and Van Agt) confirmed it. Wikileaks also has shown their presence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkel_Air_Base#Nuclear_weapons

Wow, thanks to this thread I learned Trumps family was German.

That settles it, fuck everything German.

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>>72451961
Will Gaymany ever recover as a country from this level of banter?

>>72458002
No.
Well played anglo. You win once again.

>germans chimpout and destroy greece/PIGS for not paying debts
>don't pay debts

why are they such hypocrites?

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>>72451961
>defense it provides to Germany
What are they defending us from?

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>>72454110
>I´m not just mad. I´m fucking raging. How can my government be so spineless that it cooparates with a nation that looks down on us and insults us?
>I want this cucked bitch Merkel and her monkeys out of my country.
>I always thought americans were good and honest people and that they respect and like us, but after seeing their true face I just want Yellowstone to erupt.

>>72459471
???

>>72458230
It gets even better when you remember that Germany had half of its debts forgiven in the 1950s in order to allow its economy to recover

>>72451961
>Germany owes vast sums of money to NATO and & the United States

xaxaxaxaxaoxax oxaxaoxaoxaoxaXOaxOAxaxao
XDxaxa
Damn Danald never stop trolling germs
Pay denbts germs

>>72459603
Are u mad bruv?

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>>72457252
Greeks are some of the most intelligent humans on the planet.

>>72459624
tbf that was after a war and war debts are different. For one a lot of the time you don't want people getting their money back for betting on the bad guys to win.
Part of the idea of inflicting austerity on Greece was to maintain their status as a legitimate government that could continue to procure finance.

>>72459744
No. Not anymore. Maybe that was just a little bit hypocricy. I just don´t like the situation.
First insulting us and then telling us we should pay them money.

Trump: "we're a very powerful company.. country"

>>72452978
Who hates you? Germans seem to hate America but Americans view Germany pretty positively or indifferent at worst.

You got it the other way around. Trump isn't even picking on you, he has done this with a bunch of our allies. Germans are acting like babies.

>>72453118

at this point i'm not sure if that would be good, shur

>>72460691
This is the problem. He's running the most economically important country with a complex history of diplomacy and finances (much of which was frankly balanced to their favour) as if it's a middle-sized real estate holding company.

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This president is retarded. Germany will pay even less now and tell the US to GTFO.

The US is an occupying force in Germany and their welcome has expired.

END NATO NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

>>72461354
Germany can't even stand up to Turkey, let alone the United States. We are going to make passionate love to their Germanic boypussies and then they'll pay us for the kind service.

>>72452632
You are not suppose to pay for NATO, it is an alliance. Are you retarded?

>>72453922
That's a meme American right-wingers use to justify the lack of social security infrastructure here.

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>germany owes
WRONG

The US maintains significant military presence in germany out of their own free will. No one is forcing them to spend money on germany and germans are certainly not going to start paying the US to stay.

Meanwhile germany pays its dues to nato just like every other country while ignoring the NON-BINDING GUIDELINE of spending 2% equal of GDP on national armies.

>>72461833
Shut up Finnland, they WILL pay the denbts

>>72461833
No, you need to pay for our protection or someone else will hurt you. This is not a protection racket.

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>>72452094

activates an almond

>>72461833
This.

>>72462041
Sure sounds like a protection racket.

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>>72462079

makes my brainwaves oscillate

>>72453668
Japan is a different situation. The US-Japan arrangement has always been that Japan lets us handle their national defense and in exchange for this loss of sovereignty we give Japanese manufacturers virtually unrestricted access to America's domestic market.

>>72462079
Ok champ, now show the one where he aggressively shakes Abe's hand for the photo OP in the chairs.

>>72452224
He only does that weird handshake with some people, he didn't do it with Obama for example.

>>72462198

are you so dense?

Trump doesn't dance, when the media tells him to dance.

If you can't figure out why he didn't shake there, I'm sorry but your IQ is less than 90.

>>72462079
>>72462129
He learned how to shake hands! All thanks to that Canadian leader messing up his power shake. This is the greatest Canadian achievement since basketball.

I see, Trump has been watching the walking dead and he thinks he is Negan. Everything makes sense now.

>>72462249
Right, he didn't shake there because he felt emasculated by Trudeau the Lesser and his ego is so bruised he wasn't prepared to be embarrassed again by a bad handshake and like the petulant child he is refused to shake hands with our greatest partner in the EU. Really fucking smart. Great for relations. But hey, he didn't dance when the media told him to. You fucking cuck.

>>72462204
I don't think he even does it on purpose, he's very old and losing his motor skill.

>>72462413

t. Shareblue

do they pay you to shill your scripts all day?

Germany should be run by Turks, Slavs, Anglos and the French

>>72460931
maybe you are right. But I always got this impression that people in the USA hate us because muh World Wars and all that.
Germans don´t hate America (at least the normies don´t)

>>72462476
It already is.

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>>72461833
>have 20-25% the GDP of the USA
>pay 14% for NATO
>USA pays 22%
>get bullied for paying more than twice as much as the USA relative to GDP

trump is going to unintentionally destroy nato and it's going to be hilarious

>>72462463
I can genuinely say I have no idea what Shareblue is but I'm glad you're prepared with the "calling everyone who disagree with me shills because I have no real argument" post. I know you're the one Canadian poster who is brigading on /int/, I recognize you, the German, and the French brigaders. I just hope you're posting your retarded shit for the lulz or I guess as you would say now "to trigger those cucks". Go fuck yourself.

>>72451961
>How do krauts and euros feel about coffing up some protection money to trump?
Trump will force the EU into making it's own army.

Thank you Drumpf for speeding up the process of EU unification.

>>72462674

ah yes, the "counter: t. Shareblue" post

very cute sweetie . keep up the good work and you might get a raise

>>72462519
>have 20-25% GDP of USA

Lol why are Germans so poor? Maybe they should have thought of this before they decided not to pay denbts.

>>72462965
>Lol why are Germans so poor?

Germany's population is only about as high as California+Texas+NY combined, it's not that big of a place.

Ivo Daalder, former US permanent representative to Nato, who was permanent representative to Nato from 2009 to 2013, respond to Trump in a series of tweets.

“Sorry, Mr President, that’s not how Nato works,” he wrote. “The US decides for itself how much it contributes to defending Nato. This is not a financial transaction, where Nato countries pay the US to defend them. It is part of our treaty commitment.

>>72462463
>>72462842
You forgot the BRAAAAAAAAAAAPP SNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFF BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT BRÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖT /pol/ posters are so well known for.

Come on, do it.

>>72462842
I see we switched from the t.Soros shill to a different boogeyman. What's the matter, trying to distance /pol/ from antisemitism now?

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>all these triggered germans

>>72462965
your reading comprehension skills are amazing

>>72463099
when Germany refuses to pay anything and NATO collapses, guess which country is the first to be invaded by Russia

Also have a guess why Russians always steal two cars when they go to Germany

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>mfw reading the stupid tribalism ITT

Trump is an idiot and the way you fucking faggots fawn over him his disgusting. He can literally do no wrong apparently.

LISTEN UP because I'm only going to say this once:
YOU ARE AMERICANS. You are supposed to be intensely suspicious of the government, even when your guy wins. ESPECIALLY if your guy wins. This literally, actually, factually what makes us such a great country. Just because you agree with whatever the head monkey in charge is doing doesn't make it right.

Sometimes I feel like if Trump banned liberal speech or something else that we don't like (yet equally unconstitutional) you idiots would cheer without considering the appalling precedence. Be suspicious, because once your favorite team leaves office the next guy can do it too. Fucking think more than one day into the future please, thanks kids.

>>72463109
I read it just fine: your economy is small, like a little girl's, so you complain about NATO dues. Sad!

>>72463099
>LOLUMAD?
It's like I'm actually back on CS:GO

>>72463109
>Trumpkins
>reading
>thinking
>counting to 11 without taking off their shoes

Are you fucking new?

>>72463289
I guess they've learned nothing from World War II and just want to piss everyone off again

>>72463320
>maybe Germans should have thought abot being poor before they decided to save money! haha, because saving money is the totally wrong decision when you are poor xD see, my reading skills are top notch *.°

>>72463426
Why are you engaging him friend? He's clearly an idiot and waste of your time

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>>72463289

>>72462790
inshallah

>>72451990
fuck that, sweden yes. if shit goes to fan, you have nothing to do with it

>>72463706
*bezahl deine Schulden

ftfy

>>72457214

>"i want to give nuclear weapons to unstable countries as I lose the protection of the most powerful military in the world"

You should get into international relations, anon. You'd be good at it.

>>72462570

>unintentionally

Did you like... not pay attention to his campaign like... at all, you ignoramus. It was literally one of his campaign postions. It was even in one of the debates in which Hillary brought up 911 and how "our NATO allies" "answered the call".

>>72463294
>Implying /pol/'s high schoolers give a single fuck about the future

nah, it's all about triggering those libruls!

>>72458002
its not even banter you "redpilled" juvenile reddit scum. god i fucking hate unfunny /pol/acks like you who try to force everyone to acknowledge any of such a fucking boring autistic bullshit that comes from this fatfuck or alt-rights as some cool "banter".

why you asshole can have such a shitty mentality "its bantz!!! thus Its all cool!!"

>>72465370
>It was literally one of his campaign postions
lol no it wasn't

>>72465370
>It was literally one of his campaign postions.

No it wasn't. Trump's position has always been "Europe needs to pay more into NATO, and all NATO members need to meet the 2% target". It's exactly the same as Obama's position, Trump is just louder about it because he doesn't understand subtlety.

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>>72451961
trump is such an idiot, he doesn't even know how the nato actually works. it's not a financial transaction, where nato countries pay the US to defend them.

>>72468621
>Kraut is so triggered by the idea of paying his debts that he's replying to multiple threads with the same post

>>72468342
I don´t think this accurate anymore

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>>72455920
This is why Estonia is worth protecting. The UK and Estonia have a long history of care and respect towards eachother.

>the israeli puppet is sticking it to the germans
jeez what a surprise. what next, he's going to destabilize the middle east?

>>72453118
Tbh I'm kinda worried about Germany.
The further left they go now, the further right they might bounce back in the future. Like a pendulum.

>>72456976
You have my curiosity, Hans

>>72470675
Look at the date you dolt.

And it's ridiculous that he implied we hold a grudge over WWII. For all the talk of American ignorance the world is extremely ignorant about America.

>>72466202
It actually was. He said he was going to make other countries contribute some percentage of their GDP to NATO. This wasn't a big anti-Trump point because it seemed kind of anti-interventionist, the Russian conspiracy was still regarded as such, and Hillary's aggressive rhetoric was backfiring on her.

>>72466071
this. thanks japan.

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>>72471337
Oh ok. Checked the date.
I really don´t know what to believe anymore.
This place made me hyper-paranoid.
Maybe I should stop browsing /int/ for a while

>>72466071
Thank you Japan

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>>72463294
This

Being this fanatical about Dear Leader is one of the most un-American things you can do. And to think that some of these people were so adamant about defending the Constitution too. What the hell happened?

>>72471545
It happens to me too. /int/ makes me feel like all our allies legitimately despise us but I try to remember it's 4chan.

>>72455538
Feel the schuld

>>72452241
This.

"Merkel? how do we get ze other countries to become ours so we can dominate all of ze Europe?"

"Easy, Hans, create a European Union army so ze other countries will give their military force under us"

>>72468621
Nato is an obsolete anti Russian alliance from the Cold War.

Stop being American vassals.

>>72454954
We only hate you cuz you guys bully us on /int/ ;_;

>>72452224
>>72452257
>Leafman has destroyed him to his core on handshaking.

What do you guys mean?

>>72474077
Apparently not, since Russia is still trying to annex bits of Europe and the entire West is still facing a force sworn to destroy us. Only now they're brown people who fuck goats instead of white people who drink vodka.

>>72452609
this post certainly activated my almonds

>>72452648
Good
Gemany deserves to have Green Party in power

>>72454110
Every westerneurocuck country does that to every ex-eastern-bloc country.

>>72468342
>mexico
Go fuck yourself, cunt, you don't fool me.

>>72468621
Trump knows that. It's his voters who don't. And that's why he tweeted it that way.

>>72470442
>paying his debts
Not the same Kraut, but please go on and tell me what 'debts' we have.

>>72454954
pay denbts

>>72457214
Yeah no... it hasn't been a secret for a long time now that we hold a few usa nukes

>>72480301
Is that a good number for you? Honestly I always liked Mexico myself and hung out with Mexicans most of my life, in fact a couple of the people I hang out with the most are illegals, as a white guy and and very assimilated to them but I don't think that's a great number at all.

>>72470442
if you really think that we pay the usa or the nato for protection, and we have debts by them, then you are an absolutly fucking idiot.