So I was reading about the old Islamic world, about the Seljuk

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>>72354836
Mongols rekted the islamic world and alongside it baghdad and the baghdad university. They lost a lot of science and knowledge.

After this traumatic event did the religious authorities grow in power and deemed philosophy as unislamic and urged tge people to become more religious.

The final nail in the coffin happened a few decades ago with the rise of political islam and thus the rise of islamic terrorism spurned by wahhabi salafis and the iranian revolution.

Buttsex orgies lead to societal collapse, is what I'm getting from this.

>>72354933
This is actually pretty sad.

If I were an arab/persian/turkic, I'd strive to recreate the oldschool secular Islam and industry/science in their countries. They have the potential and it sure would've done a better job at making Islam more popular, as they want it to.

Look at japs. Look at the amount of weeaboos and wannabe shintofags. It all happened, because Japan managed to reform itself in that exact way.

Iran has the most in terms of such a potential, actually.

i blame the jews. they are wrecking muslims just like they are wrecking christians.

>>72355105
>Iran has the most in terms of such a potential
highly doubtful.

>>72354933
Maybe the SA is to blame for the current state of the muslim world then.

As if they deliberately degrade their own kind by exporting backward ideology and at the same time hypocritically sucking the money out of adjacent muslim states.

>>72354836
fall of ottoman empire, rise of Wahhabism, world war 1, etc. It's been a long time since the Seljuk senpai

>>72354836
Islam was late to the game. 8 centuries behind in its origin, and still going through its dark age.

>>72355460
Well, I am more amused by the fact, that it started off more secular than it is today.

It's as if they are developing backwards.

>>72355497
Seems like the likeliest shortcut to God.

>>72355158
The iranian population is actually considered the least religious in the region despite living in a theocracy

>... no more than 1-1½% attend Friday prayers, and lots of those who do are dragooned into being there. Three years ago one cleric said that 73% of Iranians did not even say their daily prayers.[8]

>According to Zohreh Soleimani of the BBC, Iran has the lowest mosque attendance of any Muslim country; only 2% of adults attend Friday services

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/11776241/Friday-prayers-in-the-Islamic-Republic-of-Iran-but-where-are-the-worshippers.html

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10669920600997035?journalCode=ccri19

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LK30Ak02.html&date=2012-11-30

http://www.economist.com/node/1522124.

>>72355181
Of course SA is to blame.

The only reasonable action to take is a SA travel ban and the bombing of Saudi Arabia by a coalition of world powers.

sorry but omar khayyam was rekt by his own ruler who told him to stfu when he though the solar system was heliocentric

>>72355700
Everyone was rekt then for assuming heliocentrism.

Relatively, the muslims were progressive as fuck for that particular point in time.

>>72355895
but only so much

>>72354836
>So essentially at a certain point very long ago muslims were the today's Europeans and Euros were mad barbarians slaying each other.
Euros were arguably doing just as good.

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The Crusades put the Islamic world under pressure with invasions in the 11th and 12th centuries, but a far greater threat emerged from the East during the 13th century: in 1206, Genghis Khan established a powerful dynasty among the Mongols of central Asia. During the 13th century, this Mongol Empire conquered most of the Eurasian land mass, including China in the east and much of the old Islamic caliphate (as well as Kievan Rus) in the west. The destruction of Baghdad and the House of Wisdom by Hulagu Khan in 1258 has been seen by some as the end of the Islamic Golden Age. Later Mongol leaders, such as Timur, destroyed many cities, slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people, and did irrevocable damage to the ancient irrigation systems of Mesopotamia. Muslims in lands subject to the Mongols now faced northeast, toward the land routes to China, rather than toward Mecca.

In the Iberian Peninsula, the Catholic Monarchs completed the Reconquista with a war against the Emirate of Granada that started in 1482 and ended with Granada's complete annexation in early 1492, which also marks, for some historians, the end of the Islamic Golden Age.The Ottoman conquest of the Arabic-speaking Middle East in 1516-17 placed the traditional heart of the Islamic world under Ottoman Turkish control. The rational sciences continued to flourish in the Middle East during the Ottoman period.

To account for the decline of Islamic science, it has been argued that the Sunni Revival in the 11th and 12th centuries produced a series of institutional changes that decreased the relative payoff to producing scientific works. With the spread of madrasas and the greater influence of religious leaders, it became more lucrative to produce religious knowledge.

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>Rise of European Empires
>Fall of Turkic sultanates because of the above mentioned buttsex and drinking
>ExecuteInferioritycomplex.exe
>Leads to reforms towards political Islam
> Collapse of Ottoman empire leads to rise of Tribal Kingdoms
>Lack of Arab nationalism because of alliances towards tribes and not nations
>This leads to revolts and unstable regimes
>Revolutionaries take political Islam as a suitable ideology and fuck up the middle East and Europe.

lack of money
the discovery of the new world and its goods put the arabs out of business

the mongols helped
ottoshit empire being a backwards nepotistic fuckfest helped too

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>>72355105
someone feels my pain?

>be turkroach
>capture Constantinople
>price gouge the Christians trying to trade with Asia bc what are they gonna do, sail to China
>Christians sail to China
>shit
>Christians further hack the game by exploiting the New World
>dar al-Islam becomes an economic backwater
>400 years later Ottomans are FINALLY kill
>Araps are utterly incapable of forming nation states and instead fight over tribes and muh imma
>KSA-Iran war turns whole region into fanatic extremist clusterfuck

>>72355460
More like Islam civilization has ended around the time of Mongol destruction. What we have now is just the carcass moving as a zombie. If you examine what contributions have they made since the XIII. century to humanity, it's fucking nothing.

>>72362975
With about a quarter of the global population, that's a big zombie.

>>72355587
Yet they are still the best ally of yours. Not even on the travel ban.

>>72354836
The poets and scientists weren't muslim

>>72360882
reported to sharia police

>>72363980
>The poets and scientists weren't muslim
they mostly werent arabs but muslims

>>72364018
No they were Christian and Zoroastrian. The early Muslims didn't want converts so they could tax them more

>>72364104
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

>>72364350
I don't have the link on me but most of that was dubunked

>>72354836
>Drinking and having anal orgies with sluts was deemed OK
Hmm

>>72365458
>4chan Science debunking history
Lmao

>>72365765
It is a book from a scholar

>>72354933
something similar happened to Rus unfortunately

>>72363640
That's exactly the problem. There's the rotting corpse of a dead civilization sitting at the heart of the world and nobody knows what to do with it.

>>72367806
Really?

>>72364018
>yfw Iranians mean the same thing to Islam as the Greeks to the Roman Empire
arabs=Romans?
The only thing they were good at was military conquest and empire building.

>>72363925
said by Hungary of all people.

LAMO

>>72368308
The turks were much better at that than arabs desu. Arabs are just like the mongols: an one hit wonder