You break your leg and go to hospital How much do you pay

I pay for the bandages and other disposables.

Nothing

$5 million + tip

Everything

0
But the treatment is bad

>>72162099
50 dollars which is standard for ER visits on most insurance plans paid through an employer or free if you are a worthless nigger on medicaid

My neighbor had a fever 3 days ago and a doctor treated her so good she died 2 two hours after it.

>>72162635
Haha, good luck. The hospital will charge an assload and your insurance copay will 'only' be $150-$200. You'll get a separate bill from the doctors for their time, possibly another $100-$200 copay. Plus any x-rays Plus the cost of getting the cast.

So you end up paying $600 or $700 and the insurance pays some absurd amount

>>72162664
Kek

>>72162772
How do you guys deal with such high costs?
Do you take up loans?

>>72162772

That's way too fucking much. Here, we have a cap at about 300 dollars per year. After that you get a free card.

probably like $50 for conservative treatment with plaster molding (months for recovery)

$1000 for bolting surgery with a titanium rod (2 weeks for recovery)

>>72162099
The NHS is good for emergency treatment but I also pay £32 a month for BUPA, their after care is much better.

>>72162099
$3o or so at urgent care.

41,70€

>>72162791
You could always just not pay.

>>72162967

I got the titanium rod treatment for free, or through taxes if you like. Works better, desu, because nobody saves up 1000 dollars specifically for breaking a leg.

>>72162880
>>72162791
I'd only have to pay $20-35 dollars total... I don't know where he got the 500-700$ amount from.

>>72162099
Nothing if I go to a public hospital or nothing if I go to private hospital because I have insurance.

If I have a job, like $100. If I don't have a job, like $15,000+

>>72163190
To add to this, I have a great insurance plan and don't have to worry about paying boatloads of €€€ for medical treatment and I live close to two of some of the best medical facilities and personnel in the world.

0€

Nothing if you're insured.
It's not difficult to have insurance since even the unemployed do get it if they can be arsed to visit the job center once in three months. However, some elastic-free market enterprises don't pay the employees' insurance which might end up badly if you get your jaw dislocated and would require a surgery + a stay in a hospital, which happened to my friend and cost him around one monthly salary iirc

Treatment visit is 30 EUR no matter what you do

>>72163272

You don't sound like a free country judging by that, considering your boss can fire you if he spergs out over your politics or something.

>>72163075
In most cases you end up paying 1/3 or half the fees as Japanese schools, companies and the government offer multiple insurances to cover them.

Also it's so much easier to save up money when the taxation system is far from as brutal as yours. (I heard more than half of your income is taken and basic family cars cost like jet fighters over there in Nordic countries)

>>72162664
Top notch.

>>72163474
Not him, but we don't want government provided and run healthcare and we certainly do NOT want more taxes.

>>72163368
you have to pay for the insurance unless you're employed or on gibs me dat

>>72162099
~70% of my income for the rest of my life

>>72163497

Not half. I pay 35% and get back a fairly generous amount each year.

>>72163590

But you want free speech without your employer hanging over your shoulder.

>>72163474
Because our healthcare is fucked up we make a shitload of more money due to reduced taxes. I understand you're trying to trigger with the freedom buzzword but you should understand that our system works perfectly, and we have the best hospitals in the world. But you have to have a job. I'll tell you from personal experience, the American system is social Darwinism to the maximum.

>>72162099
5€ if you stay there 1 day
10€ if you stay there 2 days
up until 50€ for 10 days.

If you stay for 11 days, it's free, though.

Not sure if those are the actual values, but it's something like that. This is to discourage hypochondriacs and keep hospitals emptier. You also don't have to pay pronto, you get a card in the mail.

>>72162099
0

>>72163947
you could always stop bombing arabs, just saying

>>72164105
But then we'd all have to bomb them instead.

Let them at it, mate.

>>72164105
>you could always stop bombing arabs, just saying
Now look in the mirror and repeat this to yourself

>>72164287
No, we wouldn't.

>>72164325
>ISIL originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda and participated in the Iraqi insurgency following the 2003 invasion of Iraq by Western forces

>>72162099
I pay half my paycheck already for medicare for others and wait for 10 months to get treatment

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>>72164105
Literally what does that have to do with anything at all with this subject.

Furthermore, do you know how peaceful the world is? And do you understand that it is because of us? That it is because we would be willing to fight and die for other people? Open a history book kiddo. We have to kill those Arabs. Because if we don't we would look weak, and other countries would start getting ideas about war. Hell, without us can you even guess how many countries Russia would've invaded and conquered? Do you think Japan would still exist with China that pissed off?

Fuck you, go back to school.

>>72163947

But not all companies offer health insurance

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>>72164409
you do nothing but stir shit

>>72164432
Correct, if you work at a grocery store or you pick up trash in mall you do not get health insurance. If you have a decent job - you do.

>>72164487
Do I need to report you to a higher government? You should be careful with outright support of terrorist organizations.

>>72164432
Typically a shitty part time job doesn't which leaves medicaid to pick up the slack. Companies are required to offer health insurance to full time employees

>>72164575
>You should be careful with outright support of terrorist organizations.
That would make me the US government

>>72164404
Don't know what planet you are on but I was merely pointing out that Russia is bombing shit in an arab country right now

>>72164409
Thank you America for making the world a safer place

>>72164518

But then that might explain why you have dindus and commies thrashing your cities, and someone has to do those shitty jobs too. Do they not have a right to health care?

Just to clarify, I have no idea if these people actually make an effort to improve their situation, but I would say they should not have to die in the streets because they have a shitty job.

Alright that's enough you(s) Slovene trash.

>>72164785
You're welcome, we are truly the chosen ones to lead this world

>>72164633

Okay, so you do have some kind of system for the lower class. But where do these 3000 dollar bills come from?

>>72164775
It's not my fault you're a retard. The army lives on welfare, stop stirring shit give less welfare to the military. Imagine the taxes then. Oh boyo!!!!!

>>72164808
Apparently you know nothing about the American healthcare system
Hospitals are required to treat patients whether they can pay or not. Also for the 100th time
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

>>72164865
It seems to me like Americans are tired of leading the world

>>72162099
0 if I want amputation, 5000 if I want it fixed

>>72164808
We are one of the most powerful countries in history and the richest in the world just behind China.

If you cannot survive here, you have a problem. Also, the Federal healthcare, Medicaid, covers them. But not well. If you break a bone - sure. If you have some serious, weird disease that only 5 doctors in the world know about, you die.

>>72164902
>where do these 3000 dollar bills come from?
Faggots on Reddit

>>72164982

Maybe that's why Americans are so good at fund raising. Many of them seem to be about the treatment of one person.

>>72165167
It's possible that they may have been hurt far away from home. Insurance companies have their own networks. If you get treatment outside of the network you wind up with charges that could be in the thousands of dollars.

Zilch
Treatment is good
But you spend hours and days waiting

>>72165671

Fucking hate that. I want treatment NOW.

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I used to never have major health problems but last year I fucked up two timest. Thanks to Obamacare and credit card churning (got sum signup bonuses) I don't owe over $100,000. I also got treatment same day and the surgeries where quick to schedule less than 4 hours.

Thanks Obama

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>>72164105
Why would do that? The more bombs dropped on A-rabs the better

>>72164409
Thanks americans

you dont
you jump off a ledge since it takes your life savings

Nothing. Treatment is well, too. But taxes are fucking heavy.

200kr (like $25)

>>72162099
Nothing

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>>72163075
>because nobody saves up 1000 dollars specifically for breaking a leg.
Rewarding those who refuse to plan and care for themselves.

>>72172061
>>72163947
>>72164409

the average european would never understand this

>>72172180
It's this weird vestigial anglo/protestant individualism and general settler larping

>>72172323
>vestigial
No.

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Well I got charged $1000 for being in an ambulance so I'm pretty sure it'll be even more than that

>>72172061
Why should I care for myself when I can delegate some of my duties to the government?

>>72172980
Did you not have insurance? That seems like way too much money

>>72172980
Our ambulance and emergency rescue service are free for everybody except for idiots aka sportsmen who get themselves injured while doing dangerous stupid things.

>>72173082
Because independence and self dependency should be traits that are encouraged.

>>72173155
Independence is important only when you're living on your own in the middle of a forest. We live in a society so we might as well make a good use of it.

Nothing.
And by nothing I mean 16,6% of my income every month.

>>72163474
>positive rights
Lol

>>72164775
>Russia
Look at his flag again, then go sit in the corner.

>>72173227
Oh, you're serious? I'm the person you asked >>72173082 to and I didn't reply, I thought you were joking because you phrased it like how an american would sarcastically make that "point."

You said it yourself, delegate your duties. It's your duties, not someone else's.

Also, most systems where you want to "delegate your duties" you also force your neighbor to delegate his duties. It's anti-freedom. Here the idea: you should get to make your own choices. And then you get to reap the reward of your choices, or suffer the consequences. You don't get to infringe on your neighbor simply due to your unwillingness to take responsibility for yourself.

Everyone here is told growing up how important an emergency fund is. It's their job to make one, and we tax people /much less/ so their ability to make one is improved! Yet when something bad befalls them and their bank account is empty but they have expensive shoes, expensive cell phone data plans, large flatscreen TVs mounted to their walls and all sorts of other shit, who is to blame? They are. The problem is them, not that the government didn't act as a surrogate parent, doling out money for necessities to them as a sort of allowance.

There are people who literally are in debt for things they refused to plan for, and say that people telling them to sell their TV to do so is unreasonable. "I should be able to spend all my money on alcohol but not plan for the consequences of alcoholism! I should be able to have the most shiny new iPhone no matter what! Why should I need to pay for an immunization! I SHOULD be able to blow my money on pay-per-view TV and movie nights without having to worry about the possibility of my old car needing repairs! Who wants to save for repairs when I can pay for entertainment?!"

>>72173903
This is a pretty good in depth question about American society.

I wouldn't even get treated because you can't find a doctor who speaks English in this shithole.

If I did, it'd probably be free though (covered by mandatory insurance).

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>>72174002
I hope if Americans look inside to ask themselves about this issue, they decide we should toughen up and demand freedom, and not decide that freedom is too big of a burden and demand the government take over another basic aspect of individual autonomy.

>>72162099
>Getting sick/hurt ever
lmao@u weak cucks.

>>72162099
+200 euro bribe to avoid waiting list
-5 euros of my social safety tax being put to work
+50ish euros for the procedure
total comes up to 245ish jewros

>>72164957
But those hospitals will give you a bill for that, no? So the problem isn't "people dying from injuries because they can't pay for treatment" but rather "people going broke because they have no way to bay their medical bills".

>>72173903
Why are there publicly funded police forces in your country? Anyone who plans ahead could hire private security instead. A well functioning marketplace would encourage competition and bring the costs of security down for everyone.

Or schools.

>>72173903
I have no idea how people manage to emigrate from Russia to USA. That mentality is completely foreign to us.

>>72174684
pls restore soviet union

>>72174667
I would answer these questions, but you're not interested in having a legitimate conversation or exploration of these ideas. All you do is try and come to the table with your best "gotcha!" comments and rhetorical questions. I've bet you've won a lot of super serious internet arguments with those elite tactics.

>>72162099
nothing

nothing

>>72173395
Underrated answer

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>>72174815
this

>>72164808
Antifaggots are far worse in any European country than here, even then they keep their rioting and chimping to leftist states and cities Like Cali, Oregon, Chicongo or DC.

0 shekels

>>72174841
Try it. It would be interesting to hear how you'd justify either of those ideas.

>>72174815
I would unironically agree to that.

It's free but there are high chances that you'll have to wait in line for days

>>72162099
50% of my income.

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>>72175013
Anywhere else they'd get shot pretty quickly. They're only safe in areas that restrict guns heavily.

>>72175158
pls help liberate us from capitalism and monarchism, Dmitri

>>72162099
50 dollars because like the vast majority of Americans I have health insurance.

>>72173903
include me in screencap

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>>72175151
>It would be interesting
I doubt you really believe that. People don't say the things you do when they're actually interested in hearing you out.

Also it's 3:30pm and I haven't eaten. I must leave in search of burger.

>>72173903
This is a great answer but it goes off a bit of topic. The question being asked is weather the American health care system is alright or it isn't. Being in Sweden breaking an arm will cost you 35 bucks compared to what can be 5k or worse in the U.S.

Why should you save all this money in the states for health insurance instead of Sven who doesn't? Maybe legislation can be used instead so tax dollars go to health insurance instead. We both pay a lot of taxes, why should they get better benefits out of those taxes?

>>72174430
That's a big bribe

>>72162099
Nothing since you`ll probably die of infection

>>72175010
>>72175158
Under communism?

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>>72175503

>>72175597
I'd be surprised if they unironically want communism.

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>>72175667
It's a bunch of LARPing college kids and uneducated retards.

Okay, last reply before I leave. Also, for the record, I haven't always, but I do currently work for an American health care company.

>>72175372
>The question being asked is weather the American health care system is alright or it isn't.
Actually the question was about where the responsibility and accountability lays. And I'm telling you, it's with the people.

That being said, if we want to ask if the American health care system is alright, the answer is it certainly could be better. (our actual quality of care is decently high, but the cost is high and availability is low. So swaths of americans can not take advantage of it) A lot of laws and lobbying by the AMA has caused a significant reduction in supply of healthcare in our country, especially at the lower levels. And that has sent the price of healthcare thru the roof. Many of the other countries, like in Europe, where healthcare costs less per person may have near or even more than double the amount of physicians per 1000 people than we do. I'm talking like 3.5 physicians per 1000 in some eu countries and even down to 1.5 in some states. Meanwhile the AMA has been lobbying and arguing that we've been "oversupplied" with doctors for decades, and still continue to limit the number of residencies to create new healthcare providers. That's just one of the MANY restrictions impeding the successful deployment of healthcare at reasonable rates in the USA.

>Why should you save all this money in the states for health insurance instead of Sven who doesn't?
he does.

-Okay, I'm leaving, burger time.

>>72175667
>>72175503
>>72175720
70% of russians believe that it would be better if the USSR wouldn't have collapsed.

>>72175503
sure

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>>72163590
If you want to get fleeced by the insurance and medical companies, that's up to you, I suppose.

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>>72175720

better version 4u

>>72175873
wew, how the fuck do americans put up with this?

>>72175843
Because your country is full of uneducated morons.

Chinese and Vietnamese are very pro-capitalist for very good reasons.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/13/news/economy/capitalism-china-likes-more-than-us/

https://qz.com/394732/vietnam-overrun-by-communists-40-years-ago-is-now-the-no-1-fan-of-capitalism-on-the-planet/

Both of these countries got hundreds of millions out of poverty and China became an economic superpower after Deng switched the economy to capitalism from the failed communism meme during the late 70s, with Vietnam making the switch with Doi Moi during the late 80s.

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>>72162334
>PAY TIP
>THE TIP OF HIS PENIS

>>72175883
thx pham
Lol even Cuba is transitioning to capitalism again by legalizing private companies and private property again.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/cuba-capitalism-economy-entrepreneur-socialist-communist-1.3509852

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a7038453c4234c1eb3bb026a355245d4/cuba-legalize-small-and-medium-sized-private-businesses

You literally cannot make this shit up.

>>72176021
The ones who get all that money have convinced the rest that a single-payer system would be communism.

>>72164409
>posts an anti-serbia meme in a reply to a slovene poster
>THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF AMERICAN """EDUCATION"""

>>72175245
Corbyn is that you?

>>72175667
They're idiots. Even Sweden who they dick suck is capitalist. Just capitalism with a massive welfare state. 90% of companies and resources are privately owned. Only 5% are co-operatives.

>Approximately 90% of all resources and companies are privately owned, with a minority of 5% owned by the state and another 5% operating as either consumer or producer cooperatives.[19]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Sweden

Literally every developed and rich country in the world is capitalist because out of all the economic systems it has the least flaws.

>72175013
>72175235
>he replies to his own post in a desperate attempt to derail the thread into a /pol/ tier anti-left thread

Pathetic. Not even worth a (You). Consider suicide.

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>>72164808
3rd worlders are already swarming the U.S 'cus they know it is a great place to live.
Can you imagine how much worse it would be if they all knew they would have free health-care?
I still like my country's system though, yah taxes are high but at least I don't have to worry.

>>72175151
Not him >>72175306
I think both of you guys are into interesting points of views but both are going a bit too far. The fellow burger creates a very interesting conclusion that most people overspend on useless stuff and are broke without savings and will later complain when an emergency comes up and they have no way to pay for it. Like for example car repairs, which in America can be an obstacle for one to get to work thus damaging the situation one can be even worse.

Now the German goes too satirical and compares that with police. Actually there are private security forces one can hire, the wealthy usually live on gated communities with private security which is far superior than police. Just like there are premium health care insurance companies which will provide top notch treatment.

But we aren't talking about car repairs or savings to survive in case you get laid off, which should be one responsibilities. We're talking that the average Joe and Hans should have a decent health option and feel secure by the police through tax money. If you can hire private security and top notch health insurance good for you. But do not forget about low income folks which help in the bigger scheme of things.
>>72175764
Will look into that which you wrote, enjoy burger mate.
>>72175843
>>72175854
Really gets the cranium cracking

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>>72175597
>>72175667
>>72175720
>>72175883
>>72176039
>>72176159
>>72176377
>its another case of "increasingly nervous american starts spamming thread with communist strawman balls in a pathetic attempt to derail the thread after getting BTFO'd by literally everyone"
>tfw

>>72164487
Rambo III

>>72162099
Thousands. Tens of thousands. Maybe more. I shudder at the thought of it. Dying would be preferable.

>>72176502
>after getting btfo by everyone

You're a retard. I'm not even the poster everyone was replying to that was defending American healthcare.

>>72176502
Not at all a Hungarian replied to a Russian saying please bring back the Soviet Union to which a Brit said yes annex us. I only asked whether as a one state or whether they meant under communism.

Can we Americans not ask questions?

Btw it's been a really nice thread I miss being able to voice out opinions without being called a racial slur or ctr shill.... or some dumb Australian making a joke or some frogposter and his feels thread.

Nuffin.

Broke my arm once.

385 euro per year is the limit on medical expenses.

>>72176909
Tell us more
Green text perhaps?

>>72176950

Fell while speeding on my bike, i was 11.

>>72162099
US$20-30 if no Gov Healthcare
US$5 with Gov Healthcare

>>72176401
>most people overspend on useless stuff and are broke without savings and will later complain when an emergency comes
Yep, this is common sense in every corner of the world. IMO a good rule of thumb would be to have at least 2 month's salary in store (not that I do, though).

>We're talking that the average Joe and Hans should have a decent health option and feel secure by the police through tax money
My point exactly. I personally believe that some basic necessities should be excluded from personal responsibility - namely security, health, education, basic shelter, basic subsistence (emphasis on the "basic" obviously), because it's unrealistic to demand that every individual can procure those things on his own 100% of the time. In my experience most people around me implicitly share this belief, and the fact that so many USAians insist on exempting health care from the list is just baffling.

>>72176021
By not being poor

>>72176906
oh hey BBC

>>72177048
Exactly and it's not like it's an absolute lack on responsibility. You are being responsible by paying your taxes every year.

There's also importance to balance out the system so people do not misuse the system. Sadly from what I've learned a lot of people, and once again sadly, many minorities abuse it. How do we fix that?

My guess is to always guarantee schooling, health etc to everyone but encourage the private sector to offer better services at reasonable prices so working and being productive is an encouragement to a better life compared to the plain basic you get from the government. The government provided one should be just a backup.

Look at this video from the health insurance in India. They are offering a heart surgery that can cost almost to 100k in the US for 3k... and guess what? It's under the free market. No government intervention.
https://youtu.be/TCWP89yGWg4

It's free as in freedom (+ tax)

Nothing, but prolly I'll die waiting.

>>72164105
someones gotta do it

>it's an americans desperately try to defend a shitty, broken system that is desinged to screw them over episode

>>72177063
But most Americans are poor

>>72173903
>Everyone here is told growing up how important an emergency fund is.
Then how comes so many Americans are highly indebt?

>>72175843
of course it would be better. But I think they dont actually want back communism

>>72178932
Please go away

>>72176108
Found this legit funny desu

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>>72177048
>it's unrealistic to demand that every individual can procure those things on his own
Yet back in America's history it was so very uncommon for people not to have access to health care compared to today. They had mutual aid societies they were remembers of (the most common type of organization to belong to 100 years ago) that have been destroyed by our current laws and systems. the #1 biggest factor in people not being able to procure those things is the skyrocketing cost due to a huge perversion of our medical system.

>>72178883
Replacing American values of personal responsibility with that of entitlement. They refuse to sell their huge TV even in debt. They demand to keep an expensive cell phone plan even though they have made financial commitments to others.

And those are the types of people in this country demanding socialized healthcare. The answer is not to let them have their way and continue to send us down the road of entitlement and lack of personal accountability, it's to make them to live their own lives, even if they don't like the idea of it (or they can move to a country that makes their choices for them.)

At the end of the day, when it comes to "Hans and Joe.". If Hans sees Joe doing something Hans doesn't like, or even something Hans believes Joe will regret, the most he can really do is encourage Joe to reconsider. At the end of the day, if Joe does it, it's Joe's life. Joe will be the judge of his life and his own decisions. If Hans want's to take Joe's money and slowly give it back to him as a type of healthcare allowance, Hans is just going to have to learn to keep his hands to himself, and that in America people should be free to make your own choices. And you're choices aren't really free if someone else has already decided that their judgement is enforced over yours, and you shall live with how THEY think you will be most happy. The pursuit of happiness does not mean someone else's view of what YOUR happiness should look like.

>>72179531
Also, the burger was good.

>>72162099
nothing

>>72179652
I bet, where did you get it? I haven't had one in a while maybe today is the day.

>>72177488
Thoughts on my response?

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>>72172061
not really

I was on Medi-Cal for poor people when I broke my leg, and they didn't want to pay for the operation so they made me wait for around a month until somebody else agreed to pay.

So I paid nothing

>>72179785
Smashburger. There's one 2 miles from me so I just went for a walk.

>Thoughts on my response?
I do not agree with it.

That being said, most healthcare costs could be reduced by >50% here in the US, especially basic healthcare that is really lacking. With the correct changes in our laws, we could have one of the cheapest and most available systems in the world.

>>72179855
Who ended up paying for it?>>72179984
Any idea if Trump will make health care better or more aligned to your solution?

>>72179855
Also, you had a broken leg for a month? :S

>>72162383
Does everyone die before their 40 in your country?

>>72180073
>Any idea if Trump will make health care better or more aligned to your solution?
Unlikely. Republicans on the whole have not correctly diagnosed the illness of our medical systems. And just like the democrats, they want to try and come up with some complicated system of rules and methods of providing healthcare or healthcare funding via the federal government -- because they think they're just so damn clever, how could they not come up with something genius? Their real problem with the democrat's plan is that they weren't involved, not that they actually disagree with the federal government getting waist-deep in healthcare and mucking about.

They should be looking at every piece of healthcare legislation passed over the last 100 years and examining its effectiveness and legitimacy. Instead they'll probably just build on top of them.

>>72180279
Thanks for the answers man, good luck

>>72180073
Some group that focuses on helping children cause I was 14 or 15 when it happened. Yeah the doctor warned me that it might not heal right and I think it's twisted a bit to the left below the knee, but at least I got the surgery for free

>>72178823
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income#Gallup_gross_median_household_income

No honey. Also see the asterick

>The US Census reports that median household money income during the 2006-2012 period averaged over $50,000, therefore by comparison, the Gallup result is underreported compared to Census' own figures.[2] A study on the Census income data claims that when correcting for underreporting, U.S. gross median household income was $57,739 in 2010 (table 3).[3]

>>72180497
A month with a broken leg that sounds terribly awful. What's your current health care coverage? Medi-Cal still?

Nothing, because I have a health plan, like any civilized person does.

one month ago I was biking and got hit by a van.
I fall on the ground and dislocated right clavicle.

went to emergency with ambulance, went under surgery to relocate the clavicle, 2 days in hospital.

I paid 0 eur (total bill was 3500 EUR)

>>72180595
Yeah Medi-cal still

>>72180785
Has it gotten better, do you know?

>>72180770
Really nice

>>72180971
not really, I can't move my arm properly yet, and my shoulder profile will remain slightly asimmetrical

>>72181398
Chiropractic care should do the trick

I broke both my wrists, second time required 2 surgeries. the bill was big for the insurance company but I paid 50 dollars total.

Trumps new idea of having medical insurance region of coverage being removed to stir competition and having premiums change is interesting. However I could see one big company finding a loophole to become some big, giant monopoly and screwing people over.

>>72181439
>chiropracter
>not going to an osteo surgeon that eruo gets for free.

Chiropractors are just failed bone surgeons who think they are hot shit. My friend was dumb enough to go to a chiro who fucked him up and had to go to a real surgeon to fix his back.

Take a risk and go to the chiropractor if you want, may as well visit the local witch doctor at that point.

>>72181439
It's because the cicatrized tissue under the clavicle it seems.
I should do another surgery. I don't care as long as the shoulder works fine.
furthermore I will get more money from the insurance

>>72162099
I'd pay $2000 max. That's my out of pocket limit per year.

>>72175235
>ahahahah this guy is ugly xDDD
Not an argument.

Mfw le paid 2 TRILLION dollars for a broken toe XDDDDDDD

>>72181788
Hm I go at least once a week to have my back realigned. It feels pretty good and I've noticed my posture has gotten better.

I broke my finger on past november, and for my surprise, the brazilian health system, worked out incredibly really well.
I was amazed

>>72182149
t. richfag

>>72182172
>worked out really well

Fixed

a small gratz lone of one million trump bills!!

>>72182238
Not at all you can pay him any amount you want from 10 to 30. I pay $10 for every visit.

>>72162099
300 pesos (10 dollars)

>>72182400
or I could go to a public hospital and wait among sick people

0 pesos, nada. Maybe a box of antibiotics and analgesic if they don't have free stock in the hospital, so around 30 USD.
Via private hospital somewhere near $2000 and $2500 for the day in the hospital, $300 if you have private insurance (I do)

>>72182435
>>72182440
How much is your monthly private insurance bill?

>>72182262
Good for you Brazi. See, it's not so bad down there?

>>72182602
I live on the countryside, and here the health system is satisfactory, but in larger cities (especially capitals), i heard that things are pretty bad

>>72182707
Você mora onde?

>>72182730
Nova Odessa, São Paulo state

>>72182769
Cool man, and this was public right?

>>72182512
My father pays it yearly and it covers the whole family, somewhere between 500 and 700 USD, though "seguro popular" is more than enough in most cases.
It's only been used once as an emergency when my father broke his hand at work, both my sisters have used it for cosmetic purposes and its really really easy to force the insurance into paying it.

>>72163825
>+25% VAT for goods, +15% VAT for food etc
>+road tax (or VAT for public transport)
>+14,1% of your net income is paid by your employer to the state in tax
>+tolls for roads etc.

Let's say you earn 1000 norwaybucks (N$) a month and don't earn any pension apart from the minimum funded by the state, to make it easier.
Your employer is required by law to pay 14,1% in employers tax, to help fund the welfare system, so your effective income-from-labour is N$ 1140.
A normal tax bracket is 35%, like you, so you end up with N$ 350 in tax, leaving N$ 650 for housing, food etc.
A rented apartment or mortgage usually eats most your money, so let's say rent is N$ 350.
Out of this, 28% is mandatory tax for your landlord, but it goes from your money, so you pay N$ 98 here.
Let's say you spend N$ 100 for food, where VAT is 15%, N$ 15.
Then let's say you spend some on movies, some on goods etc. The base tax for goods is 25%, movies 8%. Let's use 20% for an average, so N$ 40.

Out of your gross produced value (the value your employer places on your work) of N$ 1410 you end up paying N€ 644 of your "money" in taxes, which is 56%. Income tax is only about half the tax you pay.

Nothing

>>72183277
it was supposed to say 1141 in the end there too, just a typo.

>>72162099
I pay copay for x-ray scans, about $35 per scan. The copay for visits to the ER is about $18.
Ambulances are free.
Inpatient treatment is free.
Wheelchairs are loaned out for free if you need them, also electric ones.
Crutches are $35.
Copay for "medical taxi", when they use a taxi to transport you to or from different hospitals because you're not too sick to travel in an ambulance, is $20

Medicine varies. I needed oxycodone and some other shit after a nasty complex ankle fracture and 4 hour operation, I paid around $60 for a two week prescription, including a fuckton of paracetamol and some blood thinning syringes.

All in all, staying two weeks total in two different hospitals, crutches, operation, pills and transport cost me about $208. Checkups every three weeks are the same price as x-ray scans. I will get all necessary medical expences above $256 refunded.

>>72181967
t. leftypol

>>72184047
Not an argument.
Also, /leftypol/ is a dead board with like 3 active users. The last post there was 6 hours ago, and the post before that was 6 days ago. Stop using it as your boogeyman for everything.

>>72172323
>It's this weird vestigial anglo/protestant individualism and general settler larping

Couldn't be more true.

>>72172363

Yes it is, that mix individualism, social darwinism and intense capitalism was created by greedy dutch borguoise who hated Catholicism for condemning greed etc.

>>72172180

Understand that the world are all bitches to the average American richman?

>>72164706
>>72164575

America funded the Mujahadeen you dumbass

Get fucking roasted.

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>>72184697
>tfw you realize its not the jews who run the world
>its the dutch

>>72175720
when you try your world changing system but the US invades your country and funds rebels so you try again your world changing system but the US invades your country and funds rebels so you try again your world changing system but the US invades your country and funds rebels so you try again your world changing system but the US invades your country and funds rebels so you try again your world changing system but the US invades your country and funds rebels

Nothing, it's free here but the quality and services are very low so the people used to pay private insurance

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>>72184852
>>72184757
>>72184726
>>72184697
Idiot communist Canadian finds the thread late and now needs to play catch-up