My business trip to Spain went well. 99% of dialogues went like

>>72045868
puto guiri de mierda lol

>>72045868
Why would we learn it?

>W-WHY DONT THEY SPEAK MY LANGUAGE? WHATS WRONG WITH THEM

fuck off Nigel

Come to Quebec and I'll do the same to you

>>72045868
We don't speak your shitty pirate language in here. Go fuck yourself and give back Gibraltar

Aprende español tú, pirata de mierda

Maybe you should have learnt Spanish for your business trip to Spain

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Why the fuck would they speak English in SPAIN?

>>72046159
kékós

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>>72045868
Good.

Why are you visiting another country and FORCING people to speak in YOUR own language instead of theirs?

If I go to Russia I won't expect russians to speak in spanish to me, if you go to spain you shouldn't expect spaniards to speak in english to you.

Learn spanish next time you travel to a spanish speaking country you inbred moron.

>>72045868
savages didn't want learn something, only that they wanted to do its take bananas from palms and eat them

Even though I do speak English, when asked by a foreigner I always say I don't.

So, yes, basically there are two kinds of Spaniards: Those who can't speak English and those who can but aren't willing to.

>>72046846
Because OUR language is the world language.

>>72046846
what the hell is this image, anon

So, you want to make bussiness there but you are too cheap to don't even hire an interpretor?

>>72047165
I agree, those guiris don't want to learn spenspek.

El Reino Hundido señores.

When I go to Spain dialogues go like this

>Do you speak English?
>Ehh...biste auch n Deutscher oder?
>Ja
>Ahh n Bayer ey, ja komm trink erstma ein Bierchen mit uns, oder ne MAAAAßßß wie ihr dat sacht haha

Good.

>>72047370
>OUR

t. Jesus Francisco del Tequila Quetzalcoatl

But did you meet any hot chicks?

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>>72047370
How so? Spanish is the most popular by number of countries that speak it and Chinese by number of people that speak it?

>>72045868
That happened to me too. Instead of using a suave line to pick up chicks in clubs the first thing I always said to them was "Ingles entiendo?", they always shook their heads in a conclusive no.

>>72045868

Fuck any Spanish cougars?

>>72047666
That's because you're indian

Que? Aaah, English? No, no. Yo no hablo inglés.

>>72047717
I think they hate British more than any Indian

>>72045967
>>72045868

La primera respuesta es siempre la mejor respuesta.

A partir de hoy, voy a publicar respuestas de texto en este canal digital denominado "4chan" única y exclusivamente en el más correcto y puro castellano, con tildes y todo y libre de cualquier influencia léxica o semántica del barbarismo inglés, por mínima que sea, inclusive de términos aceptados por la RAE.

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They can speak English, they just pretend they can't to mess with you.

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>>72047879

>>72047305

Which leaves the number of people that both CAN INTO and WILLS INTO speak english to ~-potato^0%

>>72047879
Estos españoles y su secesionismo...

Igual apoyo la idea.

>>72046122
>Why would we learn it?
Have no idea, maybe to communicate with foreigners as the 2nd most visited country on earth?

But the French with their special autism can get away with it, too

>>72047879

Boa ideia. Monolinguistas que se fodam.

>>72045868
They probably speak a bit of english but are too insecure to follow up a conversation. This for the younger people but older people >40 years old, they just didn't study english in school, they simply didn't have a single hour in school of english, they studied french and their local language (catalan, basque or galician). Most kids in Spain today speak much better english than their parents.

English is the language of dogs

>>72047879
Te apoyo solamente porque dijiste castellano.

>>72048010
That is VERY rude

>>72048198
We had a real empire unlike the French. We don't need to learn other languages as ours is alredy imperial

>>72047879
que malote

british tourists are little better than animals, good for the spanish

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>>72048470
they were lucky to be ruled by the french so their language got a bit tamed

>>72045868
No comprendo senor

>>72047879
porque los espanois siempre escriben como que son unos re putos? nunca lo entendi

Me he reído mucho con tu post.

Jajaja Saludos.

The Spanish spoken by Spain sounds much better than the dirty mud version of Spanish spoken by Mexico.

>>72048939
The Effpaniff spoken by the Efffpanifff people sounds horribly gay. Sorry.

>>72049092
chicano

>>72048939
Of course Castillian is a pure language corrupted by Andalusians and sudacas
https://youtu.be/phOoNN4HFDw

>>72049092
>sing-songy "spanish" spoken by indios with a burrito up their ass doesn't sound gay

>>72049092
>Bitches about a lisp
>English has a lisp
How do you pronounce thieve you dumb sudaca? Sieve?

>>72049092
CHI

>>72048939
t. gaylord

>>72049225
t. CHI
Orale ese. Bring me the papas holmes que se van a poner cold

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>go to Italy
>try to communicate using English
>it doesn't work at all; Italians can't into English
>try French instead
>it actually kinda works
>mfw

>>72049101
>>72049145
>>72049170
>>72049214

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m3RSSg533M
There is nothing more beautiful than a Paisa woman speaking Spanish and you know it.

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maybe you should try learning the language of the place you are visiting instead of expecting natives to learn your language

>>72049281
Dude wtf that's rather annoying

>>72045868
Spanish are dumb

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>mfw no hispanic blood at all but understand spanish because studies
>mfw i can pretend to be a chicano whenever i want

>>72049315
That's impossible for them.

>>72049368
Until you speak, because never in my life have i met an American with a proper Spanish pronunciation

>>72049368
How do Indios in the US react when you talk to them in Spanish?

>>72049281
>caguechetomatearri
>jueputa
>noooooooooooooooonononononoooo no quiero
>nomequierobaaaaardeputanonomequierobahaarpudamequierobar
>nooo, kuaihebu. lacaidatrá sincocuatrotreh
>pero dime cuando por favor por favor digame cuando espere no
>para yaaa
>YA
>é muygrasioooooso
>nohueputanooo noooo noquieronoquieronoquierono

Is that even Spanish?

>>72049416
Steve "1/48 Cherokee" McMuller?

>>72049281
I got AIDs from that stupid ass video

>>72049329
>>72049428

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JpLN_KoetQ

literally perfect

>>72049500
literally sounds like hindi or some other poo language

>>72049500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIQI0T5ife0

What did the Spanish do to them that they are so aggressive?

>>72049500
They sound like 2 retards. Seriously your taste is awful sudaca

>>72049500
>aaAaahhh iamaa retardeeeeeeeddee

>go to China
>only Chinese people that initiate a conversation in English are trying to scam you

I expected that but unfortunately some people I went with didn't realise that so they paid £50 each for a taxi journey which was only £7 during rush hour

On the other hand
>go to China
>ask how much something is
>get "你的中文是非常好!" in reply

>>72049558
>>72049568
>>72049582
>>72049590

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP2UvMJIJHo

Spanish girls from Andalucia. You can note the diference

>>72045868
That's no surprise. Very few people in Spain speak English. I'd say the spanish flags speaking English on this board are the same 6 or 7 guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3zNkAIHtvw

>>72049633
Manolo, bitte

I'm with Nigel on this one. It's sad that a country that is supposed to be first world, is in Europe, and is the second most visited country speaks very little English. You're all acting like English wasn't that big of a deal, but it is. Proof is that you're all reading this very same post on this language and you need it to communicate among yourselves. You certainly aren't using French nor Spanish, you are using English. English is the moder Latin, get with the times.

>>72049701
Germans, Italians and French are as bad as us desu

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>>72045868
If someone start speaking in English with me, I fake that I don't understand.

Feels good m8

>>72049738
Germans speak English if they are younger than 50

>>72049701
We are ng english so dumb burgers can understand our autistic screeching. Fuck off fat fuck

>>72049368
What does blood have to do with anything? This is an entire new level of muh heritago holy fuck

>ywn be a native English speaker
I will always ALWAYS have this shitty spic ORALE ORALE accent and people will immediately discriminate me all OVER THE FUCKING WORLD.

FUCK SPANISH
FUCK SPAIN
FUCK THE INDIANS FOR GETTING BTFO BY 40 STARVING CONQUISTADORES
and especially...
FUCK
MY
LIFE

>>72049738
Lots of Germans speak English
French people outside of Paris may know a few words
not sure about Italians

>>72049821
You look like a fat ass mongolian that throws arrows. The accent is the least of your corncerns

>>72049821
But that's your own fault, our accent in English is different (it sucks, but in a different way)

>>72049821
>tfw you hear a spanish speaker trying to pronounce the word mountain

gets me every time

>>72049701
Well maybe we should make an effort to make it not so much of a big deal and have more easy lives.

>>72049701
En 20 años el español será el idioma más importante por mucho que os joda.

>>72049965
>Orale ese güato how is tu cabeza loco?
>Spanish
Some autistic Spanglish will be formed in the US.

>>72049779
Hence why Germany does much better than Spain?

Also there's something I don't get. Spaniards are going autistic about their language. But despise everyone who speaks it. They seem to hate Latin Americans, they seem to hate themselves. Yet you mention that hey dude maybe it'd be good to be bilingual with an actual relevant language and they go austistic about muh pride.

Go back to forocoches and marca.

>>72049368
>no hispanic blood at all but understand spanish because studies
I'm sorry but from that statement I can only assume that you're not schooled.

>>72050047
or, an american

>>72045868
yes they speak spanish in spain

>>72049965
Eso solo se lo creen normis autistas que piensan que aquello que se habla en USA es español y no una jerga degenerada que se esta deteriorando a pasos agigantados

>>72050021
>This buttmad Chicano
Orale güato stop pendejadas holmes and compra some gasolina

>>72050021
Because most Germans go to school. All Spanish ever do is siesta.

>>72047879

Como é que eu entendo essa merda?

>>72050021
>>72050133
Explain the Japanese then.

>>72049965
I honestly doubt that's going to happen. Latin America isn't projected to become a powerhouse or become developed.

>>72050047
>>72050073
If one had hispanic family members that spoke Spanish, like a parent or grandparent, I think it would be a higher likelihood that they learn Spanish.

>>72050133
>http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0726/p07s01-woeu.html
>sleepmany

>>72050133
You sound Turkish as fuck. You should go and help your parents in the Kebab store

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>Tourist asks for directions
>I explain him how to get there in English
>I tell my friend ''hehe, see? my English is very good, you didn't even know what to say''
>My friend says ''I understood everything but I will never answer a guiri. We are in Spain and here we speak Spanish''

>>72050198
>>72050203

jajaja ustedes son tan enojaditos que pasa hermanos

>>72050187
He is talking about the US ese

>>72050189
Having hispanic blood doesn't necessarily lead to having close family members who speak Spanish.

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>>72050242
>están*

why are sudacas so illiterate?

>>72045868
That's because you are brit. They sure would speak AMERICAN English to an American. They would have to.

>>72049922
Hey, what number comes after 2?

TREE?

>>72050283
wow

>>72047879
que faggoto

>>72049415
same applies to you btw
all of you type english well
but i want to hear you speak it

>>72050271
You're taking what I said far too literally. Autist.

I have zero natural ties to hispanic language/culture whatsoever.

>>72049797
>>72050047

he says he is not a chicano but understands some spanish. what is so fucking hard about it to understand?

>>72045868
It baffles me that despite how much time passes newfags still fall for this copypasta

>>72050372
You are probably right. To speak any language without sounding like an obvious foreigner you need constant exposure and practicing irl

>>72047879
shut the fuck up you autistic faggot

>>72050111
>>72050203
Not an argument.

I love Spain and love the Spanish language but there's absolutely nothing wrong with being able to speak the most important language in the world.

Spanish isn't going to be the language spoken here. Sadly because a big portion of the migrants here come from the lower classes of Mexico and Central America the Spanish language gets associated with them and is seen as an inferior language by society.

The reason why chicanos are so self hating is because their parents culture gets shamed as inferior. Spanish is the janitors language by default in the US. After one or two generations your average chicano will deny he or she understands the language and will surprisingly get upset if you were to associate them with such language.

>>72050372
Burgers usually can't type OR speak properly, so I guess that's score 1 for Spanish speakers

It's fucking stupid how people working at places that are pretty much made for tourists can't speak a word of English.

>>72050653
/thread

aprende español macaco britanico jajsdjasjasdasjas

>>72050653
It seems to be working for us.

>>72047879
This is extremely pathetic tbqh

This place is a shithole OP, we warned you
We told you virtually no one speaks english
But you wouldn't listen

>>72050700
//thread

>>72050592
burgers where, here or irl?
most spanish speakers irl don't speak english at all

>>72049500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws34SXXok6Y

WTF I love Colombia and Paisa now

It's actually fairly okay in Spain. In Spain they still communicate things with you with their hands and feet, so you get what they mean.

This is much less so in Italy.

And in France they just ignore you if they don't speak it.

>>72050653
Half of those "tourists" are not there for Spain but for cheap booze, drugs and sunshine. They have their plastic shitholes so nobody cares

>>72050739
That's the patrician choice my man.

>>72049701
Actually Spanish people have repeatedly told me Spain is part of Africa

>>72050800
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AFVgff9wlQ

want to move to Colombia now

>>72047879
A veces preferiría haber sido colonizado por los ingleses que los españoles.
porfavor devulevan el auga me estoy muriendo aaaaaaaaa

>>72050547
Niggerspics BTFO

>>72050445
he implies that having "spanish blood" has any influence on speaking spanish

>>72049399
this ;_;

Can someone pls tell me if I'd get beaten up in colombia if I speak castilian

>>72050833
>>Actually Spanish people have repeatedly told me Spain is part of Africa

there is one on 4chan that keeps spreading this claim

>>72047879
que manolo mongolico ese

is this proper RAE spanish?

>>72050955
You'll get beaten up in any case.

>>72051000
y ;_;

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>>72050965

[stares in Cervantes]

>>72049701
>WAAAAAH SPEAK OUR LANGUAGE SO WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER

How about you speak our language so we can understand you?

>>72050965
¡Qué mongólico el Manolo ese!
Would be more appropriate

>>72050892
that's México mate.
>>72050955
>tfw no qt Colombian gf

>>72050833

África começa nos pirineus.

>>72051021
Brown people.

>>72051086
E acaba no Rin :^)

>>72051030
Are your parents siblings? That was written in English.

>>72050395
You should have said it like this from the start then, you dumb cunt.

>>72049701
>he's from a 1st world
>he's monolingual
To be fair you should be able to speak at least the second language used worldwide

>>72051239
Actually, I've noticed many third worlders pride themselves enormously on their ability to speak English, probably because their main goal in life is to emigrate.

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>Europe's had 72 years since the war to outgrow these parochial attitudes and pick up the easiest damn language on the planet
>SEVEN FUCKING DECADES
Maybe we should just let the Arabs manage this place, we don't deserve it anyway

>>72051331
Fuck your shit mate
Not my fault that half my countrymen are retarded

>>72045868
Why don't you learn Spanish you faggot

>>72050133
muy bien post

>>72047879
Terrible post.

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>>72048287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tdu4uKSZ3M

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>>72050691
The moops should've killed every last one of you.

>>72051239
I'm trilingual but yeah most burgers are not.

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>>72051498
No ideologies, only the FOLK and truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73WWpKyuWL4

>>72051573
But like are you actually trilingual or is this american standards, met so many who claim to speak French/Spanish who literally couldn't construct a sentence

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>tfw no average iberian gf

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>>72051586
All I see are people, folk, dreams, aspirations, that is all.

>>72045868
>Information centre
>No english
gr8 b8 m8

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>>72051681
I see no ideologue, all I see are the peoples dreams and my job is to help them come true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhdy0Y8AqPM

>>72051639
I most certainly can my man.

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>>72051779
There is only people, there is nothing else, there is no natural law of an ideology that is truth that MUST occur.

>>72051862
what languages brew

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>>72051779
Our society works to make the peoples dreams and aspirations come true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4pmfLWiz8

>>72051931
American English, British English and kiwi

>>72051931
Español e Português.

>>72052161
Aprende gallego y así puedes decir que hablas 4.

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>>72052089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQVIeTLqgOw

>>72046808
this

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>>72052143
>>72052161

>>72052187
Ahora me gustaría aprender italiano, me parecen agradable.

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>>72052161

>>72052272
Estoy aprendiendo Italiano por obligación durante este año
No me gusta nada si te soy sincero, pero buena suerte y tal

>>72052333
¿Por qué no te gusta nada?

>>72052332
What?

>>72052386
a)Porque no quiero aprenderlo y me forzaron
b)Está en el centro del uncanny valley de los idiomas, no puedo dejar de pensar en español y empezar a hacerlo en Italiano

>>72052441
Una pena te sientas así pero estrictamente hablando del lenguaje hay algo que no te gusta¿?

>>72052486
No
Bueno no me gusta como suena, pero es demasiado parecido al español como para disgustarme

>>72046808
>Maybe you should have learnt Spanish for your business trip to Spain
That would be a giant waste of time for a single business trip. Who the fuck learns a language to use it for a few days?

>>72052529
Bueno gracias por tu opinión, lo consideraré

>>72052187
kek

>>72052609
Por que aprendeu português?

>>72052546
Then hire a translator. Especially if you're going to do something important that doesn't allow fuck ups like business do

>>72052332
>>72052247
Before you twats say anything stupid. They're two very different languages

>>72052671
>Anglos
>not cheap

You're asking for too much

>>72052649
Porque achei muito similar ao Espanhol, e ainda você não acredite gosto do seu país.

>>72047879
Que grande conas.

>>72047879
Fucking pathetic language, speak human you mongoloid (also tildes are ´lá´mé).

In an increasingly globalised world the people that don't learn English are going to be left behind in the dust just like how Spain used to be the most relevant country on the globe and is now a designated shithole for their colonies and lower class English people.

>>72052897
/thread

>>72045868
http://www.ef.edu/epi/

They're just too dumb. Italy and France are even worse, though.

>>72052823
Entendi.
>e ainda você não acredite
"e por mais incrível que pareça" é uma expressão comum que talvez se encaixe no que você quer dizer.

>>72049281
ugh... that deafened me for a while.

>>72052823
Já agora, qual foi a parte mais difícil/inesperada ao aprender Português?

>>72053009
vocês não dizem "por incrível que pareça"?

>>72053009
Obrigado, preciso de melhorar a minha gramática. Só que eu esqueço, eu a go que se eu vou para lá vou melhorar meu Português de mais.

>>72053192
Acho*

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>>72050955
I will make sure to protect you because it is the right thing to do (for a humble price of 50 US $ per day)

>>72051331
>Maybe we should just let the Arabs manage this place, we don't deserve it anyway
you don't fool me.

>>72052897
Slaves outnumber the masters so it's only fair the majority speaks English

The true Elite would never speak such a hideous language as English

>>72053009
Ou acrescenta-se um que lá
E ainda que você não acredite

>>72053151
às veces a pronunciação da RR não é fácil e gera confução umas palavras com o Espanhol. E acho mais fácil entender de um brasileiro do que um Português.

>>72045868
>He told us that usually they have ten or more years of mandatory English lessons in their school system. But nobody bothers to learn English.

Same shit in Russia. No one here speaks English too. The reason is only minor peoples learn English because they are too irrelevant and do not produce enough content themselves while too small an amount of English content is translated in their language. Anything popular is translated from English to Russian/Spanish so no one learns it. Also we produce enough memes ourselves.

>>72053151
Diz-se

>>72053151
>por incrível que pareça
Também, e "por mais incrível que possa parecer" também. Existem algumas variações, o "mais" é usado só para enfatizar mesmo.

>>72053348
Pode ser. Só quis apresentar uma expressão nova pra ele.

>>72052897
>globalised world
I don't like how it sounds like
>left behind the dust
you can live here without the need of learning English, believe it or not

>>72053387
>E acho mais fácil entender de um brasileiro do que um Português.
É o normal.

>pronunciação da RR não é fácil e gera confução umas palavras com o Espanhol.
Pensei que eles usassem as mesmas regras. Ou eles fazem como um "H" árabe?

>>72053427
>>72053429
Fixe. Pensei que e tivesse transformado numa das versões.

>>72052977
>all those irrelevant germanic countries
kek

>>72045868
I hope you realize that when you

space out your posts like this

it makes it very clear

that you're a faggot and

probably from Reddit

>>72047879
what does this say, why does it have so many replies?

>>72053494
Eles tem uma pronuncação semelhante das RRs mas as RRs de vocês são mais semelhante aos sapos psh.

>>72051331
t. Mohammed

E com sapos quiz dizer a fr*nça.

>>72053822
Ah certo, pois é. Mas podes usar os enrolados, também se usam cá. Soa um bocado menos citadino, mas usa-se.

>>72051326
Yes, speaking English is respected in Russia and considered to be a trait of educated person. And yes, most of people who learn in thoroughly are those who think about emigration.

>>72053881
Obrigado meu amigo, boa tarde/noite aí para tu(?).

>>72053942
Boa noite* para ti* também :^)

>>72053988
Boa noite para você* também. :^)

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>>72045868
Cry some more lol

>>72053703
he's a radicalised spanish speaker

>>72054155
>vossa
>mercê
Preto.

>>72047879
Esta es ciertamente una buena respuesta digna de un caballero y un hombre de letras. Apoyo su decisión y le ruego me permita imitarle en su empresa. El fin de la degeneración comienza hoy; pues el barbarismo no tiene cabida alguna en el futuro brillante por el que es meritorio luchar.

>>72053988
>>72054155
Os brasileiros tem uma grande confução com o conjugado de tu/você

Às veces eles falam

Vou TE dizer que você e SUA maconha são ruims

Um exemplo mal mas da para entender, verdade?

>>72054287
>Não respeitando a distância que deve haver entre pessoas que não se conhecem
>Usando para um desconhecido o mesmo pronome que se usa para a familia ou amigos próximos
Ridículo

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>>72049281

>>72054447
Sim, são um bocado inconsistentes de zona para zona e até mesmo dentro da mesma zona.

Nós usamos sempre "tu", mas em situações formais usamos "o senhor".

No plural, usamos "vocês" em vês de "vós" excepto em algumas zonas do país. É uma pena, "vós" soa muito mais digno.

>>72054287
Feio.

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>>72045868
los manolos son pendejos de por si, no les pidas imposibles

>>72054510
Para isso usa-se "o senhor". Você já foi mais usado, mas já só labregos (em Portugal) é que usam a tentar ser formais, mas ainda soa mais mal-educado.

Mesmo em empresas novas, toda a gente usa "tu" para os colegas, numa tentativa de tornar as conversas mais simples e rápidas.

>>72054287
>não consegue entender o simples fato de que a língua não é algo imutável
Português.

>>72054559
O "vós" Português é o "vosotros" da espanha?

>>72054692
Gramaticalmente, sim. Mas culturalmente é mais parecido com o "thou" inglês, mais formal e pomposo.

Em francês dizem "Vous sont" em vez de "Vous êtes", e nós é igual: "Vocês são" em vez de "Vós sois".

>>72054634
Não mordas o isco com tanta força. Chama-lhe só mouro.

>>72054510
>eu dirijo-me a outra pessoa, apelando à sua misericórdia, para mostrar o meu respeito
>não é por eu ter um dialeto de preto

>Português (correto) não usa a terceira pessoa do singular para mostrar respeito
Burro.

Boa noite para si.
Preto burro.

>>72054772
O quê você acha do italiano? Acha uma língua que vale a pena de aprender?

>>72054634
>preto é subserviente ao seu mestre
>usa sempre vossa mercê
>centenas de anos depois, filho de preto acha que fez evoluir a língua e não se apercebe que a única coisa que fez foi empobrecê-la ao nunca usar a segunda pessoa do singular ou a terceira pessoa conjugada sem mostrar subserviência

>>72054772
>Em francês dizem "Vous sont" em vez de "Vous êtes", e nós é igual: "Vocês são" em vez de "Vós sois".

Ustedes y Vous no son comparables. Ustedes es una contracción de vuestras mercedes, por lo que se comporta como la 3ª del plural. En cambio el francés simplemente utiliza la 2ª persona del plural para el apelativo deferencial.

>>72054630
Em Portugal talvez, aqui há uma gradação
Tu- serve para amigos próximos, senpaiília ou crianças menores que você
O(A) senhor(a)- é o nível mais alto de polidez possível, é usado para alguém que seja muito mais velho ou que lhe seja hierarquicamente superior (seu chefe)
Você supre a lacuna que falta, é para ser usado em alguém que se deve manter certa distância mas não lhe é necessariamente superior. Ex: a pessoa na rua que lhe pergunta as horas, o caixa do supermercado, o anônimo do 4chan
Provavelmente era assim antigamente por aí também. Acho curioso como os portugueses mudam a utilização do próprio idioma e depois dizem que nós que somos os errados

>>72054923
>acha que sua análise subjetiva a cerca da evolução de uma língua inteira é de alguma forma relevante

>>72047664
Are you really that retarded, or just pretending?

Aside from having a large (if not the largest) base of native speakers, and a large(if not the largest) geographical base, English is also by far the most widely spoken second language, and is essentially the 'lingua Franca' (kek) of the whole world, the internet, business, science, etc.

>>72055189
>apela a fatos históricos
>preto vai e chama-lhe subjectiva
WE WUZ L'NGUAGE CHANGERZ N SHEIT
trata-me mais por vossa mercê que eu gosto. é mesmo o lugar de preto.

>>72054916
Soa-me a espanhol cantado, mas com menos palavras que conheço. Não conheço bem nem tenho opinião.

>>72055052
Sim.
Ustedes = Vocês = Vous (moderno)
Vosotros = Vós = Vous (tradicional)

Mas os Brasileiros também o fazem no singular com "você" (= usted?). Os espanhóis também só usam tu/vosotros, certo?

>>72055141
Aqui a gradação também existe, mas o você está a desaparecer gradualmente. Velhos ainda usam, mas gente mais nova nem por isso. Existe "formal" e "informal", o "semi-formal" está a ser substituído pelo informal nalgumas situações e pelo informal noutras: por exemplo, as pessoas tratavam os pais e a senpaiília mais velha por "você", mas agora é por "tu". As tias do jetset de cascais ainda usam o "você" e soa muito condescendente e até malcriado.

Tanto quanto sei vocês também não usam o "tu" correctamente conjugado.

>>72052187
10/10

>>72054783
>>72054923
Belos argumentos. Realmente mostrou a todos nós

>>72055309
>acha que "evolução" implica em melhorar ou piorar, conceitos claramente subjetivos
>acha que a língua é algo que é alterado propositalmente
Um intelectual.

>>72055500
>Mas os Brasileiros também o fazem no singular com "você" (= usted?). Os espanhóis também só usam tu/vosotros, certo?

Exacto. Ocurre una cosa parecida con los sudacas es que en España usamos tú/vosotros (informal) y usted/ustedes (formal), mientras que en sudaquistán solamente utilizan ustedes para la 2ª del plural, incluso cuando están tuteando. Esto puede llevar a construcciones extrañas en las que se refieren a una persona como "tú" y "usted" en la misma frase.

>>72055500
Para ser honesto estamos passando pelo que passou o inglês ao abandonarem o thou e ficarem só como you. A questão é que Portugal parece ter optado pelo e o Brasil pelo você
>quanto sei vocês também não usam o "tu" correctamente conjugado.
Verdade, fruto do que eu falei acima. Estamos numa fase de transição linguística. De toda forma, há brasileiros que usam a conjugação perfeitamente, depende muito da região e do nível de instrução

>>72055640
>torna a língua menos específica
>vossa mercê (subserviência) agora serve para tudo
>não é objetivamente mau

>propositadamente
Não. É um dialeto de escravo. Escravo não tem escolha.

>>72055777
Então os Sudacas fazem o mesmo que nós: tu / vocês É pena, preferia usar o "vós". É esquisito, porque tu/vocês é menos formal que você/vós, estão cruzados e inconsistentes.

Felizmente temos um nível ainda mais formal que se usa sempre em contextos formais: "o senhor".

>>72055854
>Estamos numa fase de transição linguística.
Não estamos sempre?

>>72055958
>>vossa mercê (subserviência) agora serve para tudo
>>72055141
Sério? Volte para o luso que lá é o ambiente propício para merdapostagem, sinto o cheiro daquele antro de longe. É por gente como você que parei de ir lá

>>72055962
Acho que o que ele quis dizer é que as pessoas constroem frases como:
>Eu tenho algo para TE dizer. Eu amo VOCÊ Técnicamente em duas frases seguidas eu usei dois pronomes cujo uso é bem diferente

>>72056084
>merdapostagem

M-mas eu achei o post do anão informativo mesmo:-s

>>72056168
Ah, certo. Sim, nós fazemos isso só no plural, mas como o pronome "vos" é parecida com "vocês", não se nota tanto. Agora que penso nisso, só mudámos mesmo o pronome "vós" (e as conjugações), que continuamos a usar "vosso", "vos" nas frases.

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>>72051098
>Brown people

>>72056189
Tava falando do português. Ele está merdapostando forte.
Se você estiver se referindo ao post do brasileiro ele é informativo.Somente o quotei para demonstrar que no Brasil não se trata todos por "você" como ele insinuou e que o português só está repetindo memes e esteriótipos

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thats discerning

I was thinking of going to Spain for a study abroad since I know a little spanish, but Im fucked if they dont know english

>>72056311
>go to a place where they don't speak English
>learn the language, come back with a valuable skill

>go to a place where they speak English
>never learn the language because people insist on speaking English to you, be an eternal tourist, come back without a valuable skill

It's for your own good burgerbro

>>72056289
Sim eu estava falando do post brasileiro

No Sul do Brasil vocês falta-se com o "tu" verdade? Até eu lembro em Rio de Janeiro ouvi pessoas de falar com o "tu"

>>72056430
Esto.

>>72056430

well I know a little, like I could MAYBE hold a conversation or ask for directions

But Ive even tried just having basic conversations with the mexicans we have here and I get lost after like 10 seconds

>>72056245
>"vosso", "vos"
Eu sei, acho esquisitíssimo. No Brasil nos acrescentamos um s ao pronome referente ao você
>eu lhe disse (você)
>eu lhes disse (vocês)
Contudo em Portugal a mesma frase é:
>eu vos disse (vocês)
Sem querer puxar a sardinha para o lado brasileiro mas o nosso jeito parece mais natural :DDDD

>>72056483
I get lost when talking to Mexicans too
Give it a shot mate, why not.

>>72056311
i do

>>72056483
We may sound like dicks online but we're actually pretty nice irl, Spanish people often compliment foreigners who attempt to speak Spanish even when their spanish objectively sucks simply because many foreigners don't even make an effort to try

>Puxar a sardinha
Aprendi algo Novo hoje

>La enseñanza del español en las escuelas americanas se convertirá en algo obligatorio en tu tiempo de vida

>>72056667

see like this, I only recognize maybe 4 words

>>72056444
Belos triplos
>No Sul do Brasil vocês falta-se com o "tu" verdade?
Na verdade o sul do Brasil é o único a levar a fama de empregar o 'tu' mas no extremo norte também o usamos bastante.
>Até eu lembro em Rio de Janeiro ouvi pessoas de falar com o "tu"
Sim, mas provavelmente usaram com a conjugação do verbo no "você". Não os culpo, o Brasil está pouco a pouco deixando de usar o "tu". Penso que em umas 3-4 gerações ele deixará de existir.

>>72056521
Sim, vocês usam a 3.ª pessoa completamente, nós usamos um híbrido. Somos menos coerentes, sim, mas no total temos menos alterações ao Português "formal", que é mais ou menos igual nos dois sítios. É um empate.

Isso e só usarem a ênclise (e não a próclise ou a mesóclise) são as mudanças que me irritam mais em Português do Brasil e me fazem escolher inglês em tudo o que é opção de idioma. É que é próximo que baste para eu saber o que significa, mas é diferente que baste para que estranhe e me distraia. Uncanny valley.

>>72056663
Aqui é "puxar a brasa à [minha] sardinha" - pull the ember closer to [my] sardine. Não sei se ele se enganou.

>>72056546
Worst case he can just drive west and rich a country where people actually speak English. And then speak Spanish out of habit and get all the directions wrong out of spite. :^)

>>72056737

>implying I can afford a trip across the channel

>>72056779
How will you be able to buy tickets from the french if all you know is English? They are even worse than Spaniards in regards to foreign languages.

I honestly wish that the spanish would just die already. Spanish isn't even a language used in business and the only reason it's still at all relevant is because of South America. We would all be better off if South american countries adopted english as our official language

>>72056822

un ticket, si vou pla

>>72056889
>the spanish
sorry i meant the spanish language but spaniards can die as well

>>72056889
Based Chile

>>72045868
i am CEO of my own company in Spain, i am not even Spaniard...if you dont speak spanish is your problem anon

>>72056889
>We would all be better off if South american countries adopted english as our official language

We all can agree on that

>>72056907
You'd better be able to enunciate with sparkling perfection, otherwise they'll pretend they're not understanding you.

>>72056889
>>72056930
Portuguese is very similar, since it's only used in the exact same contexts as Spanish (tiny bit in Europe, a huge bit in South America), but since we don't have as many people and it is a fair bit harder to learn, we always get trumped for not having our own niche, despite being the 5th or 6th most spoken language in the world. French is like the 18th and is still more talked because they have a huge presence in Europe.

On the other hand, there aren't as bad stereotypes of Portuguese as there are of Spanish, mostly because the US borders Mexico and not Brazil.

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>>72056737
O que mais me irrita com meus compatriotas é não saberem a diferença de isso para isto
>Anon, me passa isso dai
>Isso daqui? (Segurando o objeto com as mãos)
>É, isso
Juro por deus...

>>72051678
They really are perfect. Why are we stuck with disgusting Anglo girls?

>>72056889
Feel free to stop raping our language anytime lads

>>72057160
Ah sim. A junção de isto/isso/aquilo é um bocado confuso, mas não me chateia tanto, por alguma razão.

Aqui algumas pessoas menos cultas têm a mania de acrescentar um s à 2.ª pessoa do singular no pretérito perfeito nos verbos regulares, i.e. : "Tu cantastes".

Acho que nem tem nada a ver com o facto de ser a conjugação da 2.ª pessoa do plural (até porque não se usa), só acrescentam o -s porque sim. Soa muito labrego.

>>72056737
God bless Portugal. A minha pátria é a língua portuguesa :_:7

>>72057273
Olá, lusófilo antípoda. Já encontraste os pães que querias?

>>72057263
>Aqui algumas pessoas menos cultas têm a mania de acrescentar um s à 2.ª pessoa do singular no pretérito perfeito nos verbos regulares, i.e. : "Tu cantastes".

same in Spanish. only the ultra-dumb, tho'.

>>72057048

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1aAZmmWEcez

>>72057317
Pois, não sei de onde vem.

>>72057330
kek, not too bad. Coupe tips:

You have to scratch the R as far back in your throat as you can.

And "plaît" is read pleh, not plah

>>72057306
Nao, tem as pães francês e italiano, mas nao portugues aqui :( Eu vou para o brasil no inverno e eu encontro o pães depois.

>>72052736
the Spaniards and Portuguese are having a conversation in THIS VERY THREAD you mong

>>72057487
Por acaso não sei como é que os Brasileiros normalmente comem pão, mas nunca tive razões de queixa da comida deles, de certeza que ficas bem servido.

Eles têm alguns cafés tipicamente Portugueses nalguns sítios.

Fact 1: Half of the people here (specially the spaniards) are unemployed, uneducated, and underage who can't admit how important it is to learn a second foreign language. In the working world a foreign language is a must, and usually it has to be English.

Fact 2: Spain is a socialist rathole where people work the bare minimum to survive, and then spend the rest of their time complaining about why they are broke and why their government can't support their undereducated families, and whether or not loving their country is considred fascism.
They can't compete globally, and the only reason they stay afloat is thanks to their immigration and good connections with latin america, corruption, and of course tourism. In short, along with Italy, Greece, and some places in France, Spain's is Europe's Mexico.

Fact 3: All the people demanding the brit dude to learn spanish for a BUSINESS trip should just give up in life altogether. Your countries will be better off without your kind of youth. You do nothing but complain instead of improving your perspectives of finding employment. When I lived in the U.K all the spaniards where going crazy and falling in love with the british way of work as people actually fucking work.

Fact 4: Of course, Brazil had to butt into the discussion and fuck things up into oblivion. >>72050175


TL;DR people putting pride and feelings over reason.

This is a chance on taking constructive critizism and you morons blew it.

>>72057625

rate my french please, pierre

>>72057330

>>72057574
Written down they are fairly mutually intelligible, and context clues help a ton.

If it were spoken it'd be a whole different story, as pronunciation rules are VERY different.

>>72045868
>go to UK
>Virtually nobody speaks intelligible English
Should have gone to America instead.
Brits can't even speak their own language properly lmao.

>>72057577
Sim, a comida é muito bom. Eu bebo um café com cheirinho :D

>>72057625
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I cannot believe my fucking eyes in this thread. Are you guys fucking serious? I mean the Spaniard ones. I hate these unemployed fucks that start insulting in spanish when someone says something they do wrong. Like holy shit, people here don't seem to realize that makes it even worse.
As a spanish guy, I feel nothing but shame when i see people not being able to speak english. What a good country to live in, dont you think?

>>72052736
lol, no

>>72057330
plait=play

>>72057625
This is why Napoleon should've won

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>>72057234

>travelling to Spain

P L E B
L
E
B

>>72057803
In fairness it's a bit insulting to hear Anglos telling you that you have to learn their language in your own country. There's a bunch of fat Americans here laughing at how Spanish is a "spic" language, I would be insulted too If I was in their position.

However for business, English is essential. I don't know how much OP is exaggerating but if you can't have a business meeting in English, then nothing is going to happen at all.

>>72057837
But the french speak even worse english than the spaniards:
http://www.ef.edu/epi/

And Portugal wasn't conquered by napoleon and we speak the best English out of the Romance languages.

Napoleon's only worthy contribution to the world was canned tuna.

>>72057917
But that's only because The Portuguese people are inherently superior to both.

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>>72057625
nice

>>72057574
Just because we understand one another that doesn't make you insta fluent in both. They are still very different.
But of course you wouldn't know I doubt you can speak any of them to have a valid opinion on this matter. Fuck off

>>72057977
>Baixo do Douro
>Superior to anything

>>72057977
Yes, but as much as I hate the Spaniards by nature and national duty, the Frogs are even worse. This is the one thing Iberians will always agree.

>>72057574
They are similar, but they still have significant differences, especially when spoken. Hell, I've had some south american teachers (PeruANOs mostly, and one Argie) and they make some really simple mistakes, accentuation is a problemas we have different rules for those, and understanding them is a bit hard sometimes.

I remember this one time I could only reply "gracias" to this tourist who said something to me on the bus line, I couldn't really understand her for shit

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>>72057625
>preaching unbridled cuckery and kowtowing to Anglo bullshit
The flower of French nobility died for THIS?

>>72057897
It's a fact that lots of people here can't speak other language than spanish. I'm pretty sure they can speak at least 3 languages in a tourism center though.
>In fairness it's a bit insulting to hear Anglos telling you that you have to learn their language in your own country.
Yeah, it would be insulting if these Spaniard faggots weren't crying like crazy and insulting back in spanish. I mean, they deserve being insulted if they act that way.

>>72057687
I don't know where to begin, Jeremy. I'm just gonna say to stay motivated.

>everybody says French is the most beautiful language
>it's true when spoken by a woman
>when spoken by a man it sounds like vomiting and coughing up phlegm

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>>72058008
You're going to have to buy a lot of towels to pay for that.

>>72058023
I am glad to see you have something in common irmão

>72058140
>>72057687
Told ya right here >>72057048

Conceited jerks.

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>>72057625
>Fact 4: Of course, Brazil had to butt into the discussion and fuck things up into oblivion.

>>72058202
Which is weird, because in this thread the only retard was the tuga.

But it's at bump limit and the last page.

Was a nice thread guys, have a nice day.

>>72058195
You learned portuguese right?