Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1819

>>71863903
乙

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>つっかえて動かなくなっちゃったんです・・・
What did she mean by this? Specifically, what does なっちゃった mean? It's some conjugation of なる, but what does it specifically mean?

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I started making a new OP image but the new thread went up before I finished, so I guess I'll just post it anyway.

>>71864082
なってしまった → なっちゃった
しまう is used as an auxiliary verb. In this case the meaning is similar to as if you were to use adverbs like "regrettably", "unfortunately", and/or "accidentally" in English.

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>>71864353

>>71864371
I swear to god word slurring makes me want to commit suicide.

Can anyone reccomend any actual good japanese literature? Heard some good things about mishima and, of course, genji monogatari - but that's pretty much it.

>>71864589
Do you know Akutagawa(芥川龍之介)?
his short story is nice.

>>71864425
This was a really interesting read, thanks for posting. I already hated China as a country for their disgusting treatment of people and their totalitarianism, but this is something else.

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>>71864371
Thank you so much

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>>71861590
Thread died before I could respond to you anon. Oops.
>I want "kamaku" to be a 雷く verb.
Go to the Dictionary Tool or Add word (Dictionary Tool is the same thing but with an easier layout). In the Reading section, add かまく and in the Word section add 雷く. In the Part of Speech/Category section, select the verb class, so probably 動詞カ行五段 in this instance. Is there a box where you can type the Comment or some form of description? If so, type out your definition/meaning, I guess.

>I want "anonimosu" to be a 亜乃2燃素 common noun.
Same as above only select 名詞 from the Parts of Speech box.

>And I want "desutorakushon" to be an apocalyptic proper name "電嵐風噴爆破滅", in the style of Armaggedon or Ragnarok.
Same as above, only select 人名 or 固有名詞.

>Also I want "sakana" to output this |><>°ºO
Same above above, only select 句読点. Amusing choice, by the way.

>Also, if I want to say 電嵐風噴爆破滅的 later on, will it recognize the made-up compound if its base form was added in the library?
Should do, man. I'd also suggest using the Dictionary Tool option instead of the Add Word tool option, as it's just easier to use overall.

Next post will have a list of the Parts of Speech and their meaning.

>>71865072
アルファベット alphabet
サジェストのみ suggested word only
人名 personal name
副詞 adverb
助数詞 counter
名 (I thought this was an abbreviation for 名詞, but I don't really know)
名詞 noun
名詞サ変 する noun/verb, like 勉強する
名詞形動 A nound which can turn into a adjective with に or な attached, like 平等→平等な or 平等に
固有名詞 proper noun
地名 place name
姓 surname
感動詞 interjection, like うーん、えーと、なるほど、あの-, etc.
接続詞 conjunction, like だから、しかし、つまり、だって, etc.
接頭語 prefix
数 number
短縮よみ Shortened form. You can put something in the reading section and hit spacebar and it will show up in the suggestions. Anything, for example you can create an entry that typing 「おおおお」 will prompt a suggestion for 「小5マンコはさいこおおおおおおおだせ!!!」
組織 Classification, organisation name
暗号 code, keyword
連休詞 Holidays? I really don't know
顔文字 kaomoji/emoji
接尾人名 Name suffixes, like さま
接尾地名 Regional suffixes, like 郡

1/2

>>71865101
2/2

動詞ワ行五段 ワ row godan verb, like 笑う、問う, etc.
動詞カ行五段 カ row godan verb, like 書く、行く, etc.
動詞タ行五段 タ row godan verb, like 勝つ, etc.
動詞ナ行五段 ナ row godan verb, like 死ぬ
動詞マ行五段 マ row godan verb, like 読む, etc.
動詞ラ行五段 ラ row godan verb, like 切る, etc.
動詞ガ行五段 ガ row godan verb, like 泳ぐ, etc.
動詞バ行五段 バ row godan verb, like 遊ぶ, etc.
動詞ハ行四段 ハ row yondan verb, which is for 古文 verbs which are no longer really used, like 会ふ、言ふ and 思ふ
動詞一段 Ichidan verbs
動詞カ変 Irregular カ row verbs, as in 来る
動詞サ変 Irregular サ row verbs, as in 死ぬ
動詞ザ変 Irregular ザ row verbs, as in 混ず、抉ず
動詞ラ変 Irregular ラ row verbs, as in 有る
形容詞 い adjective
終助詞 sentence-ending particle, like よ、ね, etc.
句読点 punctuation mark
独立語 independent word in a sentence that isn't really needed to be connected to anything else to for meaning. Examples: the 違う in 違うよ、テストは金曜だよ and the ねえ in ねえ、一緒に帰ろうよ
抑制単語 This allows you to set it so certain readings have certain kanji as the highest preference. For example, adding うつ as the reading and 欝 as the kanji will prompt typing ゆううつ to render as 憂欝 as opposed to the more common 憂鬱.

>>71864425
Wow... I mean, just... wow. This is some next level cancer.

>>71865017
>>71865132
Business is like that everywhere, anons. Some of the shit I've seen in the past working within the steel industry in Australia would make your head spin. Our mining and ore industry is one of our largest and it's just as bad as everything in that image, really.

>>71865184
Yeah, but the shit with the Swedish dude and the hospital? That's fucking unforgivable, what the absolute fuck? Not even the burgers have hospitals this awful.

>>71864918
Didn't knew, thanks. Any other name, maybe?

>>71865202
It's a fucking anecdote. Do you think things like that haven't occurred in hospitals in Australia? I have family who work in the nursing and public/private hospital systems. My mum worked with a lady who spent decades abusing the elderly in her care but instead of firing her, she was simply moved from place to place like the Catholic church deals with priests, all because she somehow managed to sue the nursing company and they were afraid she would go to court again. Multiple people have died under her direct mistreatment. Shit like that happens all over.
The larger the system, the more fall through the cracks.

>>71865259
ヤマグチ ノボル

>>71865184
Fair enough, but they're still commies.

>>71865280
Eh, my post didn't say anything at all about the Chinese system, nor was I pretending that's something that happens everywhere, I was just expressing sympathy for anon.
Though desu I would assume that, given what he says about the Chinese Legal System, this kind of scamming is probably commonplace.
>>71865323
>china
>communist
Not since Deng Xiaoping literally embraced capitalism, but I wouldn't really expect an amerifat to understand history.

Does 大好きな久助の気迫 mean "that drive of Kyousuke's that I love" or "the drive of my beloved Kyousuke", or is it ambiguous?

>>71865383
It was facetious, but I wouldn't expect an ELS to understand the nuances of the English language.

>>71864589
川端康成
夏目漱石
太宰治
安部公房

>>71865402
I'm not sure what the East London Airport has to do with anything anon, care to explain?

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>>71865445

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>>71865476
haha, what a funny animated picture, do u mind if I save it and show it to my friend? I'll tell him u sent it to me ofc :)

>>71865394
Just to clarify, I am guessing 大好きな久助の気迫 means "the drive of my beloved Kyousuke", and that 久助の大好きな気迫 means "the drive of Kyousuke's that I love", but I am not sure if these are correct (especially since I think that the latter Japanese sentence would imply that that drive isn't beloved by the speaker, but by Kyousuke himself.

Would appreciate any input on >>71865394.

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>>71865560
Of course friend, it's yours.

>>71865394
Could be either, but I'd lean toward the latter.

>>71865626
Okay, so 大好きな久助の気迫 is ambiguous between the two meanings.

If anyone knows, how would you rephrase the Japanese sentence to represent each of the two English sentences unambiguously, if there is a simple way?

>>71865709
Maybe if you say 大好きな久助のその気迫, it could be more definitively interpreted as "the drive of my beloved Kyuusuke". Not sure how to achieve the second meaning, though.

>>71864589
Flyable Heart

>>71865626
>>71865972
Thank you for giving input into my question :)

Hiragana is so hard to learn wtf I give up

>>71866778
See you in a few months.

>>71865072
>>71865101
>>71865121
Life saver, duder, I will treasure this list in my kokoro.

>動詞ナ行五段 ナ row godan verb, like 死ぬ
>動詞サ変 Irregular サ row verbs, as in 死ぬ
waaat

I was going to ask what is the point of marking stuff as alphabet or particle, but I guess it's about making it so the program will recognize PoS and by doing that, compounds as well, right?

For instance, if I turn manko in a particle, ともだちまんこころす, the program will know it's 友達まんこ殺す instead of 万心す or something.

>>71865184
>Our mining and ore industry is one of our largest and it's just as bad as everything in that image, really.
Get on my level, nigga, Google for Mariana flood. The Chinese fear the Monkey.

>>71865560
Sassy-faced geisha!

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>>71866812
nah jks halfway through Katakana now

Can 「何よりAdjective+Noun」 mean "The adjectivest noun", or is that not possible?

Like, can 何より強い人 mean "The strongest man of all", or that is not possible?

>tfw reading grammar is easy
>tfw pulling grammar out of your ass to talk is completely different
It's like I'm rediscovering physics.

>>71867278
Yeah, you can, but when used like an adverb like that, it's more common to do it in the form of 何よりも.

何よりも高い
何よりも恐ろしい
etc.

>Like, can 何より強い人 mean "The strongest man of all"
In that case you'd use 誰よりも強い人.

>>71867278
Were you a person who asked about なに previously?
なにより of なによりうれしい and so on is one of collocations.
なにより can be used as both a noun and an adverb.
I guess you ask a high level question of Japanese.

this answer in this discussion is easy to understand for me.
noname#9105
http://okwave.jp/qa/q1117534.html

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こんばんは
今夜もお邪魔しております。

華金です。みんな、お疲れ様。

>>71867661
I think that's just how the brain works for most people. Remembering things is easy right away, but then right after try and explain what you think you remembered to someone who doesn't know and majority of people have a hard time.
It's just a matter of exposure and experience, like all things. Keep at it.

>>71864589
東野圭吾 - Good mysteries. Some great twists and thrillers.
百田尚樹 - Good plots and generally good story telling, though I can see why some people think he's overrated. Personally, I like him even if he is a bit racist and blunt sometimes outside of his novels.

>>71868823
>東野圭吾
His stories are good, but the way he writes really irks me for some reason.

>>71868894
I too think sometimes he purposefully makes the mysteries "too" complex, but it's hard to put down a book of his once I pick it up.

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>>71868756
>>71868823
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>>71864589
Two books I read and liked recently were 砂の女 and 山の音

週末だ!!!

>>71870297
しゅうまつ何してますか?

>>71870315
え、さあ
日本語の単語と文法は勉強します たぶん
あんたは

>>71870455
忙しいですか?

>>71870500
わたくし?
いいえ、一日中4chanはシットポストする
楽しいでしょう?

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>>71870739
救ってもらっていいですか?

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>>71866819
>waaat
Oops, that was a copy/paste error. That was supposed to be する, must have copied over it while copying from notepad to excel.
Correction:
「動詞サ変 Irregular サ row verbs, as in する」

>I will treasure this in my kokoro.
My kokoro felt empty earlier until accidental coming across this webm while looking for a file. Now it is playing on loop and my heart hurts. A painful overpowering mix of the urge to become a father alongside wanting to hug a little longer than a parent would. Forgot how adorable this series is.
https://my.mixtape.moe/yhllei.webm

>I was going to ask what is the point of marking stuff as alphabet or particle, but I guess it's about making it so the program will recognize PoS and by doing that, compounds as well, right?
I guess. To be honest a lot of those entries seem a bit odd and were worded a little strangely. A fair amount of natives were having issues understanding just what the fuck a few of those category terms mean for the user and I found the answer to them by looking up answers provided for those similarly confused natives and by finding random blog entries explaining them. Also cross-referenced an online guide Apple has for their built-in Japanese IME which uses more common terms for these functions, with examples.
Still don't really know exactly what Google means with the 連休詞 selection.

>>71870762
その本はおもしれ?

おまえらのかあちゃん

>>71870766
Eh, I hope you're fatherlusting after lilac-hair loli, redhead and brunette seem to have shitty voices!

But hey, I get your webm-filled feels session, the following scene was enough to make me start watching the anime (Isshuukan Friends):
https://my.mixtape.moe/svvdby.webm

Too comfy.

Thanks for all the trouble organizing the word categories once again, I would also never guess I have to place kaomojis and stuff at 句読点, there should be a "misc" option or something. Probably what the independent word category does.

>>71870868
あまりにも好きなんで年明けて一発目に再読ぅー! 何度読んでも素晴らしいなあ二人の出会いからヴィレムの葛藤、決断そしてクトリとの一騎打ちからのセニオリスの調整 初めて読んだときに感じたこの衝撃は一生忘れないし再び味わうことをできた ここから辛い辛い道をクトリはヴィレムは歩んでいくことになるが二人のこの幸せそうな姿を追っていくのがたまらなく楽しいので本当にこの作品が好きなんだなあと再認識できましたとさ!! 時間があるときに続きも再読させてもらいまぁす!

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>>71870991
>I hope you're fatherlusting after lilac-hair loli
lol
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/%22my%20wife%20chino%22/
>there should be a "misc" option or something
There should be some sort of user manual with clear examples. If there is I'm completely blind because I couldn't find such. Then again, Google is known for obscuring how to actually use their products. The help forums for Google Docs is a complete clusterfuck of unanswered questions, handwaved issues and outdated answers which are no longer applicable. Still think the IME itself is the best one out, though.

>https://my.mixtape.moe/svvdby.webm
Isshukan Friends is on my manga reading list, not going to watch the anime till after reading it. Love 大久保 瑠美's voice so looking forward to it. There is something about how she pronounces her ひ's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFOr1u0tx5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDc33b3unJo

>>71871043
>させてもらいまぁす
Just me or is 「させてもらっちゃって」 an awesome combination of sounds? Is sounds cute when a girl says it and sounds cool when a guy says it. It's a win-win phrase.

not really. that copy paste is very stupid.

>>71871650
Can I get a source on a girl saying it?

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has anyone tried that rosetta stone thing? im considering it to use alongside anki but it might be a waste of time. idk.

>>71871830
Recalling from memory, can't find a video or anything at the moment. Sorry about that.

>>71871583
Oh, I went after her character list and she's both Chinatsu and Yuyushiki's MC, I'm about to rewatch YrYr against my will, so that's a plus side to look forward to, I'll pay close attention to her voice.

>Google being foggy
Fuck those dudes, dude. How are we letting them drive our cars when they can't even program an efficient comment section to YouTube? Guess to be the first you also have to be unreachable, so customers won't hinder your wild advances. All that yummy telemetry we must provide them through IME...

>tfw even N5 Japanese feels like miles away,

I`m not gonna make it /djt/

>>71871961
>I'm about to rewatch YrYr against my will
Against your will?

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>>71871980
I'm translating a raw volume and will use the episodes as reference.
I even mistakenly downloaded season 2 because I thought the scenes would be from there, so I'll end up watching it too not to waste it.

I've typed 60 pages out of ~160 so far, I struggle more with timing the pressing of spacebar to convert words properly than anything.

Chinatsu's hair, by the way, were the thing that got me into YrYr (besides all the reactions/gifs), too bad she's so disliked in general. A cutest.

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>>71872078
I thought all of the volumes would be translated by now. Which volume are you translating? I could help with the transcription process.
Ignore the shitposters, though. No one really dislikes any of the Yuru's. It's not humanly possible.

>>71872130
It's not so much we dislike Chinatsu, it's just the other Yurus are so much better. Especially Kyoko she's objectively best

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What is this つられた verb?
釣る?
How does it work here?

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>>71872130
>I could help with the transcription process.
I'll have to make some enryo there.
In a way, I'm using the transcription as a means of practicing (the whole translation process, actually), as I have to recall how to say stuff to type it out. I'll probably need DJT when it comes to the handwritten parts, though...

>>71872189
Kyouko is not the best character, she's the only good character (Chinatsu still a cute!).
I was kinda let down by the series, after all the hype I had seen. At least in anime form. In mango I'm appreciating everything because it comes with that added pleasure of "I'm understanding raw chink shit!"

Okay, Mari-chan is also cool, but she doesn't do much.

>>71872316
Pic.

>>71872316
compare the example
まわりの人の笑い声に釣られて笑いだす be swept up in the laughter of those aroundone

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>>71872189
Some more Rise and Chiduru chapters would be nice.
Akari is probably my favourite character.

>>71872387
Leave a post if you need a hand. I've transcribed a few manga volumes to text before, so it wouldn't be a big deal.
>she's the only good character
Don't even know what that sentences means, anon.

>>71872316
Here is another example of what the anon above pointed out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAj7N2Gf6vg

>>71872424
I've got it.
Thanks!

What are some good websites with beginner-intermediate sentences/short stories that I can practice reading with rikaikun (preferably with the english translations as well so I can compare)? Manga's not doing it for me with all the slang and the fact that I can't use rikaikun to quickly check vocab I don't know yet.

>>71872477
I knew already about the example with the laughter, but had seriour doubts if it can be applied to something like ため息

>>71872477
>Akari is probably my favourite character.
There was a girl called Akari? I don't remember her at all, it's like she wasn't even there

>>71872387
I saw the pic in my dict as well. It didn't help much.

Why does it sound like 取引 pronounced とりしき in core 6k when it's hiragana is とりひき?

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1299722822
in the case of つられて of intransitive verb, hiragana is better than kanji.
釣り is famous as an internet slang, but it is not usual originally.
even if it is written in an dictionary, it is not believable much.
>>71872917
torihiki is right.
torishiki is edo dialect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okurigana
okurigana is kana between several kanji.
for example, 問い合せる and 問合せ are same.
とる+ひく is Japanese word. 取+引 is kanji.
kanji should be read from meaning's point of view.
okurigana is just only defined by someone after all.

>>71872917
ひ is sometimes pronounced with the back teeth nearly touching, producing a sound between "h" and "sh".

>>71874517
Thanks, now I'm hissing at myself at 3:00 AM.

>>71874588
hissing at my neighbors at 7:30pm here
but thats 日常

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What is writen here? I can't understand this sound.

>>71876965
きび

If there are any kanji nerds out here, I found this (or more accurately, the comment section) to be a fascinating read.
http://tonan.seesaa.net/article/94263474.html

Basically a bunch of kanji turbonerds arguing whether 旧字体 was really written by hand in the past as opposed to abbreviations more similar to current 常用漢字. (tl;dr both happened)

If you studied 旧字体 (and 旧仮名遣い) for shits n giggles before, you'll probably enjoy this.

Why do names tend to use the kun reading more often despite being jukugo?

>>71879816
Because they're of Japanese origin, I suppose.

>>71878929
I see.
that is interesting.

今日テレビで見たんだけど、

いちどうに会す

っていう時のいちどうは場合によって一同か一堂になるらしい。
日本人だけど、日本語はまだまだだなあって感じた…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7gcSoxoeM8
>"your country" sounds racist
is this real?

>>71880968
it does feel a bit cold maybe, but this guy is making a fuss about it though

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I have been reading for 3 months now how come I don't know Japanese yet?

>>71880968
Honestly the green text "Do you have ___________ where you are from" sounds very weird and strange to me. "Do you have ______________ in your country" sounds more normal. Almost no one cares though dunno why he is making a fuss about it

>>71882271
>"Do you have ___________ where you are from" sounds very weird and strange to me. "Do you have ______________ in your country"
I think I've heard the former about as much as the latter, if not more. Either way technically those are two different questions since people can immigrate.

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>>71872917
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1uZy1kP49lM

Does this help?

>>71882271
Do you have a leaf where you are from?

ひ and し are often replaced.
しつこい in Kansai dialect is often pronounced as ひつこい hitsukoi.
ひびや in Edo dialect is often pronounced as しびや shibiya.

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>>71880968
>Help! I'm the freakshow attraction in this country!

What a pussy, any country you go people will keep asking this shit if they find out you're a foreigner.
My friend left some deep impressions about Brazil in his 1-year stay at the US, his classmates still think Brazil is 100% Amazonian forest with TV announcements canceling school because of sudden jaguar invasions.

This kind of video serves no purpose other than making human connections more touchy-feely in a bad sense, that's why these PC people are so passive aggressive. They have to find new ways to offend and be offended without leaving their nice guy position.

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>>71883387
Yes

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>>71883545
is that 楓 kaede?

Why do I get the feeling Japs really love しゃくれる jokes

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>>71882271
>that pic
いやー、ごめんごめん

Is there anything I could read that's around the same difficulty as Yotsubato! but without any furigana? Also, where can I reliably find raw scans?

>>71880367
おらも見た!
学習者としても勉強になったわ〜
うけたまわるの書き方知って嬉しかった

>>71884144
https://www.nyaa.se/
http://raw-hunters.net/
http://www.manga-zone.org/

>>71884128
he is famous Jicheal Mackson.
pow

>>71884144
YuruYuri, Flyable Heart (harder than Yotsuba but still relativly easy).

>>71863903
if someone asked me if i spoke japanese and I wanted to say "a little" how would I do this? does 小さい make sense in this context?

Is it possible to become freelancer in Japan?
I mean get there and stay.

>>71884648
>小さい
少し

>>71884648
Why would you wanna lie?

>>71884712
That's something I've wondered too - you can only stay if you have a job, so how does working through the Internet as a freelancer apply?

>>71884740
ありがとう

>>71884779
I know there is a freelancer from Russia - an artist named Ilya Kuvshinov . He makes art at Patreon. But at the same time work at some job over there

>>71884231
恥ずかしい話、承るに気づけなかった…
でもこういうのは見てて楽しいし、いろいろ学びたくなるよね

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>>71884779
why would I be lying, I'm not mishima but I can speak enough to get by

>>71884712
Anyone can become freelancer, can't he?
the income verification is required.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!

I fucking did my reps every single day including yesterday, but my stats show that I supposedly missed yesterday.

What the hell?
I'm 100% sure that I did it, anyway to restore my stats, I think it might had trouble while synchronizing or I might turned off my PC without closing anki first.

>>71876965
This in case,I might think "Kibikibi".
Kibikibi is briskly,promptly or quickly.

>>71885318
Look if there's a backup saved at the time you did your reps yesterday.

Other than that, rip in pieces.

>>71885263
How, bank history?

to start reading, is flyable heart or hanahira easier to start with? or are they the same difficulty?

>>71885651
> bank history
it sounds like international.
what I say is the income verification of a national tax tho.

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>>71885763
are these books?

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Would anyone mind double checking my TL for these two pages? Please.

>>71886483
uguu~

>>71886483
they look like theyre hell to read but djt always says theyre among the easiest to stat with

>>71886483
Are these N3?

>>71885318
Why does it matter?

>>71886535
I think a subject of 違う人間だから楽しい is 私たちは usually.
it is not a large issue tho.

>>71884712
How does one even get into the freelance industry in Japan? I've seen people who don't even speak Japanese be able to but how? Just get contacted because you're good?

>>71886723
Okay, thank you.
I appreciate it.

>>71886700
Kinda helped to motivate me cause didn't want to ruin my stats.

I skipped a day in the past, if you skipped one you may skip another one, if you skipped to you don't give much of a fuck anymore => dekinai forever.

>>71886595
I didn't know them until now.
>>71886685
N・・・6?

>>71886932
>if you skipped to
*two

>>71886878
I would be glad if I could help you even just a little.

>>71887024
How do you say this in Japanese? Imm sure I've heard it before.

>>71887062
>How do you say this in Japanese?
問題ない :オーケー:

>>71887062
少しでもお役に立てれば幸いです。

>>71886535
I would change "Eeeeh?!" to "What?!" or "Huh?!" since those are more natural ways to convey surprise in English.

And then in the second to last panel, instead of "Mizuki-san's words...They lit up my heart like the sun." I would go with "What Mizuki said...really lit up my heart [like the sun]."

These are just personal tweaks that I would make, but I think that they convey the same feelings and information while sounding much more like proper English. Also we don't use -san in English, so I don't see why it's being used in translation.

Other than that, looks pretty nice. Good job

>>71886535
The translation is fine, but the lines are rather stiff.
>You're incredible, Lillie! I really admire you.
>Y... You're praising me more than I deserve.
These, for instance.

Think like a little girl, dude!

>>71887199
Don't listen to this guy "Eeeh?!" sounds way better than "What?! and "Huh?!"

>>71887357
This. It carries a different nuance, and your target audience are likely to know the difference.

>>71887199
One of the character's defining traits is putting "-san" on people's names. So it'd feel strange leaving it out.

>>71887342
Lillie is a very formal person, like "desuwa!" status, so I think that sounds fine for her. But, what do you think would sound better than "You're incredible, Lillie! I really admire you."? Maybe "you're amazing" or something.

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I might as well ask even though I know there is no real answer.
But how would you guys handle "がんばリーリエ"?
I went with "Lilliest", which is more or less just me copying Love Live. There is a character in Love Live named Ruby and she say "がんばるび", which was officially translated as "Rubyest".

>>71887732
がんば is abbreviation for がんばれ
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ガンバ

>>71887732
I don't see any other way

>>71887872
Yes, I know. But it's a portmanteau, so you TL should be some kind of mixed word as well.

>>71887732
TL note is the only way.

As many TL notes are possible

>>71887542
Yeah, in general you'd try shortening things to make a good flow. Saying it out loud helps
For instance, instead of "The cat brought the marijuana directly to the woman", which would be a very clear translation, a person in real life would say "it gave it right to her!".

Of course, the context should be clear, and you have to factor things like the desuwa ladyspeak and avoid making kool readin' sentences like "Mr. meowmeow here just smuggled the stash straight to the boss lady!".
Pardon the hyperbole. That generally happens when people try to translate more casual speech or expressions with no equivalent in English (rubbadubba).

>>71888029
it means 頑張れ私.
「リーリエがんばっ」 also is OK.
Actually I can't decide that is not a portmanteau.
Though, if she uses a portmanteau in this situation, I think she is a little strange.
it is a subjective issue.

隅 - すみ corner; nook; recess
隈 - くま corner; nook; recess

Fuck you too Japan

oh you asked a high level question again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9jiBX0K9hs
I can be felt this.

btw what is TL?
what language is it?

>>71889102
TL as in TL note?

It's just short for Translator

>>71889167
What does it have to do with がんばリーリエ?
it is a phrase of two words in Japanese tho.

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what does the demo do here? 戻れるとでも思っているのか

>>71889514
"or something"

"Do you think you can turn her back or something?!" or whatever the context is

>>71889331
Someone was saying that in order to explain how がんばリーリエ works you add a translation note somewhere in whatever you are translating.

>>71889514
まさか~とでも思っているのか is a set phrase.

why do you think you 業魔 can return back to 人間?
My poor English is not credible, but that sentence is an expression of 'impossible'.

>>71889663
>>71889884
thanks

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Need help! How do you eat rice with chopsticks?
I can eat the meat and veggies just fine

>>71889952
Usually you don't eat shitty rice that isn't sticky. Otherwise, just scoop it up in quick succession with the plate in front of your mouth.

>>71889952
Is that jasmine rice? Japanese rice tends to stick together well, making it fairly easy to eat with chopsticks. Jasmine on the other hand is quite パラパラ.

>>71889823
thank you for explaining to me.

>>71890056
Sticky rice is the worst. Even worse because they make it vinegary. Even American-tier rice (pure grains, maybe salt, no seasoning) is more palatable.

God, how I hate Japanese food.

>>71889952
The rice that Japanese people usually eat has more Gluten in it, which makes it stick together in clumps. You really can't just eat any type of rice with chop sticks.

>>71889952
cut and put on
こんな感じ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czzvH4Yr0yw

>>71888029
>But it's a portmanteau, so you TL should be some kind of mixed word as well.
Says who?

>>71891208
Uh, says common sense?
You translate non-portmanteau words as non-portmanteau words, right?

>>71891523
Translation should sound as natural as possible while retaining the original meaning. It doesn't matter what phrases, words, or idioms are used so long as that goal is accomplished. Sometimes a translation calls for a particular word, sometimes it doesn't.

Not all words and phrases have direct translations either, and I'm sure everyone here knows that. As long as you get the right point across and accurately, you can make slight adjustments. Translations are for the reader's accurate understanding, not yours.

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>>71892056
Do you work for Crunchy Roll?

TL Note: She's saying itadakimasu.

>>71892330
is this real?

>>71892330
That is a very bad example to use as a counterargument. You can't compare a widely known phrase such as いただきます, one that basically any English speaker interested in anime and manga will already understand well, with some relatively uncommon portmanteau word.

>>71892568
Sadly. If you want to see it yourself, here's the episode.
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=901193

Or you can just have fun laughing at the comments.

>>71892751
>You can't compare
Says who?

>>71892831
Makes me want to get into fansubbing so I can also upset EOPs with liberal translations

>>71893005
Nobody would argue to translate いただきます because anyone with a surface-level knowledge of Japanese culture understands what it means. It also doesn't really have any exact equivalent at all, so it's almost impossible to translate anyway.

>>71893283
>Nobody would argue
Read >>71892831

>>71892330
What's wrong with bantz

rare

KONBANWAAAAA

I can't tell who is who already.

> my conversation partner
your level is too different from others.
though, if I don't reply immediate answer, the wrong answer would be posted.
therefore I reply in first impression.
perhaps I think other people can't think about a possibility that it is a portmanteau.
therefore the point in an argument is changed.

I think Japanese who explains to foreigners is wrong.
the adverb of the start of sentence is important, but there are few Japanese people who tell about it.
Japanese people talk only about a special property of itadakimasu, but they don't think that is not often used by only single person who has a meal.
The anime shows the girl is polite because she says a greeting alone.
no one tells such a thing.

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>>71894660

>>71894865
I never talk to you.
because you can't know about a portmanteau.

>>71895000
Checked.

バカなんじゃないの。
わかんねえなら口出すなよ。
荒らし。

>>71895027
I don't talk with you. だから・あなた・話・わからない。当たり前。OK?

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>>71895119
But you're clearly talking with me now, aren't you?

>>71895164
I've never

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>>71895241
You've never what?

>>71895331
don't repeat.

>>71894601
借金を払え

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>>71895491
Repeat what?

少しは日本語使えよw
You can't improve your Japanese
'Cause you don't use Japanese at all lol

USE Japanese. Foget English .

Don't think FEEL!

>>71895658
日本語わかんないの

>>71895714
分かるよ。分からないのはお前の通じない英語だけだ。

>>71895786
頭おかしいんじゃないの。
日本語の話題しかしてないんだから日本語がわかればわかるだろ。
お前は日本語ヘタクソなくせに自分の英語を自慢したがってるだけの幼児。

>>71895958
確かに彼はバカだけどお前の英語はすごく分かりにくい
二度と英語で話しないでくれ

>>71896121
言っとくけど俺はお前らみたいな語学自慢と全然違って、クラスで下から数える方が早いほど英語出来えねんだよw

日本ではこんな最下位でも、お前みたいなのがムキになるレベルなんだから、お前の日本語自慢なんて屁みたいなもんだ。

高い金出して学校行ってもその程度。

> 二度と英語で話しないでくれ
what is this?

>>71896121
I have never talk to you.
your Japanese is the worst in the world history.
Never use Japanese again.
All Japanese and Asian and White and Black hate you proxy.

BTFOの事件が起こる

>>71896421
This is a very rude Honne way to say those things my dear Anon.

>>71895958
>お前は日本語ヘタクソなくせに自分の英語を自慢したがってるだけの幼児。
お前の英語と違って僕の日本語は通じる。その差が大事なんだよ。
今度>>71894660みたいな文を書きたい時は日本語でしましょうね。

>>71896421
>All Japanese and Asian and White and Black hate you proxy.
?

>>71896598
rare flag.
proxy is the most liar.
I always say honne.

成功したEnglish teacherの意見
https://www.manabinoba.com/interview/11881.html
お前らと正反対のこと言ってる。

>>71896725
kokoha gogaku no thread desu.
nihongo wo benkyo suru tokoro desu.
you ga nai nara kaette kudasai
jama desu

>>71896725
お前の話はくだらない悪口ばかりだから、それで通じなかったら最低だ。
表現を選ぶのには理由がある。
お前以外の外国人は大体頭がいいから、多少極端な言い方しても大丈夫。
だから摩擦が生じないようにわざと言語を変えている。通じない方がむしろいい。
伝えたい当人だけがわかるのを目的としている。
日本人がアルファベットや他の文字を使うには全て理由がある。

>>71896810
今こうしてお前と話してるのは僕にとって勉強なんだから帰る理由はない。

>>71897114
>お前の話はくだらない悪口ばかり
あれ? 僕は画像を一枚貼っただけだよ?
攻めてきたのはそっちだろw
>だから摩擦が生じないようにわざと言語を変えている。通じない方がむしろいい。
>伝えたい当人だけがわかるのを目的としている。
>日本人がアルファベットや他の文字を使うには全て理由がある。
なんか都合のいい言い訳にしか見えないなww
それに摩擦が生じて欲しくないならなぜこうして僕にしつこく執着してる?
>>71894865をスルーしてたらこのスレはずっと平和だったはずだよ。

>>71898048
勉強にはならない。こんな会話日常でしないから。
中身の無い会話で役に立つほど語学が重宝されてる社会じゃない。挨拶と口喧嘩程度のコミュニケーションでは有用とは思われない。
悪口の外国語なら通じない方がいい。忘れるべき能力。
> 自分の行為をスルーしてたら~平和だったはず
お前テロリストか。南方の宗教の北欧人か。

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What is the first kanji?

>>71898598
「あふれる」じゃないの。
溢れる
font is wrong.

>>71898395
でも実際に勉強になってるよ。そしてこうして反論できるのは十分役に立ってる証拠なんだよ。
そもそも日本で生活するつもりはないからこんな会話が日常でしないとかはどうでもいい。
>悪口の外国語なら通じない方がいい。
また都合のいい言い訳だな。
>お前テロリストか。南方の宗教の北欧人か。
話が見えない。

>>71894660
Is there anyone able to understand?
I wanna read what he wanted to say in english. will you please correct it for me?

>>71899165
beyond comprehension desu

>>71899165
お前みたいなのが理解力が無いことが、日本語学習者の弊害になっている、と言っている。
だからお前にわからないような書き方してるのは当たり前だろ。
バカなんだな。

>>71899403
you too.
それを真に受ける低いレベルの外国人も問題だ。

>>71899643
what the fuck are you on about?

うわー、暴れてる。

>>71899591
is that written in english?
I didn't know lol
so, what language is that?

>>71899165
I had to say translate instead of correct
sorry

>>71899739
負け犬

日本の英語学習者と外国の日本語学習者の両方の障害になってるのが、中途半端に英語日本語自慢をする両ヶ国語話者。
彼らが自分の優越性を保つために無意味な叩きを行い過ぎる。
一番気を使わなければいけない相手が当の会話相手ではなく彼らになっている。
現にこうやって一番騒ぐ。

会話相手に通じればよいのだから問題ない。
彼らは無駄な存在。

>>71899888
いやいや面白いからやってるだけだと思う
普通に話してるより口喧嘩のほうが楽しいじゃない?

>>71899888
>会話相手に通じればよいのだから問題ない。
誰にも伝わらない英語は確かに問題ですね

>>71900013
それを面白いと全く思わない。
高い金出して教育受けて、そんな無駄なことを面白いと思ってるから駄目なんだろ。
実質金を使ってる時点で何もしてない無職より社会の害になっている。
日本人の大多数は俺よりも外国語なんか喋れないんだよ。
つまり少数派はそっち(笑

>>71899591
>>71899643
ok, so i've read up to some extent. are you seriously trying to justify the fact that it's incomprehensible by saying you wrote it like that on purpose so that people with low reading comprehension won't get it? and then you start talking shit about gaijins?

that's beyond pathetic tb.h

>>71900273
会話相手には通じてる。
誰が会話してるのかわからないほどのコミュニケーション不得手者が語学勉強しても無駄になるだけ。

>>71900282
高い金ってなんのこと?
意味わからないけど

>>71900370
頭が悪いからだろ

>>71900347
レベルの低い日本人の意見を聞く外国人も問題だ。
どこがおかしい?

>>71899043
言い返すだけならオウムでも出来る。
悪口の言葉など無駄でしか無い。
言葉はどんどんそうやって精査されていく。いずれ消える。
覚えた知識は全く役に立たなくなる。

>>71900458
yeah, you're not even responding to what i'm saying, so i'll assume you don't have the reading comprehension to understand english unless it's written in the style of that abomination you wrote earlier.

>>71899747
ニホンゴワカリマセンカ?
can you understand Japanese language?
nihon go wakarimasen ka?

>>71898827
>>71898779
どうも

>>71900701
go to Norway. or are you proxy?
I talked with American and British.
who are you?

>>71900809
you're welcome. :)

>>71900829
why would i go to norway? why would i be a proxy? is your short-term memory so bad you don't know who i am?

you're the one who talked to me first, you know? see >>71899643

>>71900891
that is not you.
though, if you are that is you, it's you.

>>71900759
at least, I understand that that was not japanese
>>71894660
this one

>>71900945
lol what are you even trying to say?

I want Japan to leave.

>>71900998
because you are not Japanese.
もし日本人なら飛んだバカだな。
英語オタクのコミュ障w
>>71900999
Merde

>>71900945
I tried to translate into japanese
>あれはお前じゃない
>もし、お前があれがお前でも、お前だ
???

>>71901103
lol, please refer to your own posts about swear words in foreign languages. you're a pathetic hypocrite, i hope you realize that.

>>71901112
どうでもいいしw
お前なに言ってるの。バカみたいな日本語。

worst thread so far

>>71901164
that is to say, an abusing word is nonsense.
I say so from the beginning.

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何このスレ
仲良くしよう皆

>>71901164
> hypocrite
why are you in this Japanese learner's thread?
I sometimes say Japanese bad words.

>>71901281
what?
>>71901442
gee, why would i be in DJT? why don't you take a guess

>>71901103
自分しか理解できない英語を書くのも充分コミュ障だよ

>>71901505
> I say so from the beginning in Japanese.

>>71901570
again, what? please make yourself better understood by elaborating on what you want to say, otherwise i'll just have to keep repeating myself

釣り

>>71901568
それはないw
英語日常で使わねえし。
掲示板に住み着いてる方がよっぽどコミュ障。
周りはみんな英語なんて話せませんからw
一部の海外由来の者もいる。でも英語の出来不出来で揉めたりしない。
だからネットの英語話者ってどんな育ちの人間なのかすごく不明。変。

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If a song (or the act of singing a song) is described as 渋い, which of these meanings is correct?

The context is I was explaining to a grill that I sang an 演歌 song in karaoke and she replied with 渋い (among more things).

What mean?

>>71901627
you are lower level of languages than British whom I talked with.

>>71901780
ok? it's not very surprising that a native speaker is higher "level of languages" than me. what's your point?

>>71901821
can you talk about Japanese language?
それとも日本語で話すと、なにかまずいことがあるのかな。

>>71901893
i don't see the relation to what we're talking about. again, what was your point?

>>71901780
He's at the very least bilingual whereas you can only speak Japanese

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>>71901755
'cool' is close to しぶい.

>>71901690
君はノルウェーの日本語をヘタクソと言ってるけど、君の英語はヘタクソ以前に英語であるかも怪しいレベルだよ

>>71901953
>>71901988
↑
English only
you always say 'I can speak foreign language very very much HAHAHA'.
しかし全く誰とも話してない。

fuck it, i'm done with this troll. sorry for shitting up the thread way more than necessary.

>>71902060
ネット英語のお前が英語を語るなよ。

>>71902088
you are troll.
apologies.

>>71901988
level of Japanese language

>>71902096
ネット英語って何?
君は自分がコミュ障だと自覚したほうがいいよ
フランス人の質問に何も答えてないじゃない
>掲示板に住み着いてる方がよっぽどコミュ障。
こう思うなら二度と来なくていいよ

>>71894865
「いただきます」の意味がわからないなんて馬鹿だね。

What does はず mean in this kind of context?
しかし本来はしっかり閉められているはずの分厚い扉は、完全に開いていた。
いつもパースエイダーを構えた門番兵がいるはずの詰め所にも、人の気配はなかった。

>>71902448
Basically, "should". The door that was open, _should've_ been closed. Even in the guardroom where the gatekeeper _should've_ been, there was nobody.

>>71902448
i think it means must
>usually the thick door must be closed strictly, but it was completely opened
like this

>>71902448
that is a issue of English.

>>71902371
住み着くのは迷惑だよ。利用者全員がそう思ってる。
ここはみんなが暇つぶしに時々訪れる所。
お前がここに住み着いていつもいろんな人間の悪口言って回ってる荒らしなの?
やめろよお前。

「がんば、○○」は合成語じゃないの。
だから別々に翻訳するのが正しい。
ガンバと付く合成語はスラング含めても恐らく一つか二つあるかどうか。
アニメ語だと思うよ。

>>71902797
>利用者全員
へー、そんな事がわかるんだ、すごいね
それが誰かなんて知らないけど、誰にも理解出来ない文章を書く方がよっぽど迷惑だと思うよ

>>71903056
前レス読め。
お前はネット用の言語だけ少し知ってても読解力がない。
悪口のための言語なんて詐欺師にしか役立たない。
お前が理解出来てないだけ。
読解力 >>> 語学力

きっとこいつ英語力低いんだろうな。。
例えば俺は日本語は、とてつもなくバラバラでも補完できる自信がある。
余裕を持って知ってるものは応用が効く。暗号文でも大丈夫。

英語も日本語も少し乱れてるだけで読めなくなるのは、きっと英語や日本語が苦手だからだろう。
それは自分のせい。

自国語のみで暮らす人間をここまで罵る人達には日本に絶対いて欲しくない。
日本に関わって欲しくない。
はっきり言って死んで欲しい。
thank you trump

>>71872525
https://chokochoko.wordpress.com/the-great-library/beginner-level/
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html (third tab)

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>>71904906

>>71904978
気にせんでね

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>>71905002
了解

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no Im not proxy

Are sounds like ti (ティ) typable, or inputing "teli" is my only option?

Guess I'll have to customize this crap, I'll also make X be an automatic small tsu, fuck ttbackspace and ltu.

>>71905089
ask him

Is there a version of Kanji Colourizer for Anki that has been updated with 2.1x support?

>>71905111
teli
texi

>>71905111
thi

white terrorist

>>71905089
raicist

>>71905140
Noice.

pls teach me the difference between IS and Sir Anders.

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Are there any beginner vn's that aren't sexualized? I live with 3 other dudes unfortunately

>>71905723
https://vndb.org/g83

>>71905723
Wouldn't living with 3 other dudes make it easier to play sexual VN's?

>>71905778
何してるの?

>>71905790
They're normalfags

ugh, everytime I see this thread it makes me guilty that I gave up on learning japanese. I really want to try again now that I have more free time

>>71906006
Hacelo weon.

>>71906043
its hazlo since hacer is irregular but yeah. I just wish that japanese was on duolingo, I learned both french and english on there.

>>71906127
Fug, I need to brush up on my Spanish.

Anyway, there's a BR here that is doing the reverse course on Duolingo. That is, English for Japanese speakers. No idea how effective it is compared to what an actual Japanese for English speakers course would be, but you could maybe give it a shot. You'll obviously have to supply it with a grammar resource like Tae Kim or Genki though.

creep rapes Japanese
http://desuarchive.org/int/thread/71048251/#71058433

醜怪

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>tfw you have a Japanese stalker
If only it were a qt boy or girl instead of some mentally ill ossan.

> same person
creepy

>>71905723
read a book

>>71905723
>I live with 3 other dudes unfortunately
What the fuck kind of living arrangement forces you into a room with 3 other people?