Why did Spain and Portugal make such shitty colonies? Other countries

>>71621803
i pretend that africa and jamaica don't exist too

>>71621803
Mexico made the best colony.
guess where
^^:)

>>71621886
We elected Trump idiot

dey took er goooulld

Which one is the good French colony?

>>71621977
Quebec. Mauritius

>>71621869
ignore guiyana too

if only the anglos had colonized us...

>>71621803
>France

lol dumb americucks

>>71621987

Quebec isn't a country, it's part of an English ex-colony.

Mauritius is poorer and less developed than Uruguay.

>>71621803
>the worst colonies ever
i think you're referring to the french ones
>tfw frogs fucked spain's shit up so hard that caused the whole independence movement in the americas
sheeeeeit

>>71622015
Brazil was only good for plantations. That shothole would have been a nigger infested mess regardless of who colonized it

>>71621987
>implying Quebec counts when it was sorrounded by anglos

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>>71621803
Why did USA make such shitty colonies?

>>71622079
France could've done a better job in Brazil maybe

>>71621803
because when uk reached north america there was nothing to really exploit so they settled there and created what they considered an extension to the empire, we on the other hand didn't consider our colonies to have the same status as the motherland (the uk didnt too but to a lesser extent) and simply used them as milking cows, also it's not like the uk and france did a better job in africa and france doesnt have a sucessful colony either canada doesnt count

>>71622079
>it would have been a nigger-infested place
not quite, if you or anglos had gotten there first it wouldn't have so many niggers. French and portuguese were particularly obsessed with bringing over shit tons of niggers for some reason.

>>71622079
you are just jealous because we expelled you like we did with the french and the dutch, aren't you? you wanted our gold too, right?

>>71622201
to what, squander it later? come on huehue man, chill out

>>71622146
Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the USA more than make up for whatever third world hellholes the Brits may have left behind

Even the third world Brit colonies are better off than Latin America. I've been to the Bahamas and it wasn't that bad

>>71622201
Why should I be jealousbof Brazil? You people are nice and your women are easy. Brazil was doomed to be a huge Haiti from the start

>>71622039
Still better than Equatorial Guinea
>>71622057
>whats Belgium
>what are USA
>>71622143
They tried but the Portuguese kick them

>>71622282
>Countries with less than half the population of India combined make it out for India
Kek. Btw most of the US was a Spanish colony

>>71622142
Spain was there first in all those places. So really, it's Spain's fault all those places are still shitholes.

>>71622282
But what Latam countries do you know? Because one could say the same about Uruguay or Chile, or even some specific parts of every country

>>71622301
Ecuatorial Guinea has a GDP per capita of 20k $

>>71622261
yeah, spanish are so dumb they couldn't keep their gold and """empire"""
I think their lack of intelligence was the main reason the arabs conquered them so easily

>>71622284
jealous of our gold in the past, dumb moor

>>71622282
its because of the weather, the places you mentioned have a climate similar to europe and were populated with whites (and a few slaves), on the other hand brazil had a diferente climate that could be used to grow shit that we couldnt in europe so we shiped the nigs to work

>>71621803
Why don't you count your country as a Spanish colony? Most of it was, you know?

>>71622470
>>71622470
Guatemala, El Salvador, and Bolivia are probably the poorest places in the Americas

Compare Belize to Guatemala. See what I mean?

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>>71621803
Literally what?

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>>71622485
JUST

>>71621803
What French colony became successful?

>>71622536
It's Haiti

>>71622536
>Compare Belize to Guatemala
Pretty fucking even. Guayana is literally the poorest part of the whole south American subcontinent

>>71622568
Looks like Norway to me

>>71622536
Actually the poorest country in the Americas(by far) is Haiti(an ex-French Colony).
LatAm is generally better than the anglo-caribbean or the African diaspora that the French left.

>>71622515
but then anglos came and made it a better place, if it wasn't by your shitty emperors that wasted money for shit that they even couldn't afford south america could have been a second 'Murica

>>71622493
to be fair, many variables played into the fall of the spanish empire, frogs screwing them over as well as the ideas of the revolution that spread throughout the americas contributed a lot, not to mention the interests criollos had back then, they didn't want to take orders from anyone. Some venancios and latame's have stated that if certain king had agree to create some sort of comonwealth things might have been different, to a certain degree, but the guy refused and made things worse.
>arabs taking over Iberian peninsula
well, they underestimated the sand niggers, they didn't count on how back-stabbing jews were back then also (and it isn't some conpiratory shit, jews helped muslims to accomplish their goal).
OY VEY VISIGOTHS, NOW YOU'RE GONNA PAY

>>71621803
So in this timeline, does India exist?

>>71622536
Guatemala isn't even the poorest place in Central America

It's quite a complex question and there is no simple answer.

1.- Ethincally, soutamerican's are a mix cause both Spanish and Portuguese colonization also meant interbreeding with the natives, an inferior race with a mediocre result in terms of human quality and intellect.

2.- Politically, Sout American independance was the result of a complex process, but they were basically in favor of holding on to the old, pre french revolution regime... thus, missing out on all the political changes and positive tranformations of the 19th century in terms of political and social changes.

3.- Economically, there is white aristocracy (inmediate descendants of Spanish, Portuguese and Italians) that has held the reins of power since early 19th, and they have had no interest in sharing the wealth of the countries with the other 90% miserable.

4.- The US patronising policy towards SouthAmerica hasn't help either, for 2 centuries, supporting regimes and avoiding promoting real democracy.

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Why people here don't look at the statistics of the colonies instead of looking at modern stats?

I mean... jeez, it isn't the fault of the "Motherland" if their ex-colonies fuck themselves after independence.

>>71622831
South America was pretty prosperous prior to independence. You people are just dumb and too agressive

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>>71621803
>France made countries that aren't a drain on the world
Fucking what?

France is by far the worst colonizer. They made the worst country in the Americas and among the last ranked countries by HDI you'll find that most were French.

Quebec doesn't count, it's not even a real cunt.

>>71623016
Contrary to the Spanish and Portuguese, French and British empires war estructurally racist (no contact with locals in general terms) and based on economical and trade exploitation.

Domincan Republic and Haiti are a clear example of two ways of colonising. The island is cut in half and the are very very different.

The end result is that England basically exterminated all native, primitive colonies wherever they set foot and created an extension of the perfidious Albion, in North America or Oceania.

>>71621951
In 2060 whites will be a minority in the USA.

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>>71623170
Have you read the Haiti history? basically black people killed all white people, afterwards they stabbed themselves to see who rules the country, and also this
>>71623045

>>71623237
>British empires war estructurally racist
Depends here. Since a lot of europeans, not from england since half the population was dying off on some shitty war, and the other half was too busy dying to starvation/disease, it was difficult to implement such racial structures.

The quakers tried to integrate/convert native americans, and even paid them for their land and since the fur trade was expanding massively during those times, it wasn't rare to see native americans/european communities intermingle. While in the south it was all about exterminating them.

>>71622865
many variables, yes, but it doesn't change the fact that they themselves digged their own hole

and the jews helped but didn't do everything on their own

>>71623170
We tried hard to make Mexico into not a shithole but the Americans told us no.


>>71623237
We made a shitload of half-castes, when we lost Indochina thousands of children were sent back to France.

>>71623358
Agree, but there was also the threat of other colonies revolting, not even going so far as a successful slave colonies gaining its independence, so haiti was made as an example. No countrie was allowed or interested to have any sort of deals with haiti at the time of its independence. So it wasn't that difficult to see a country like that going to shit fairly quickly for a long time.

>>71623358
France did basically the same thing with the Terreur tho.

>>71623714

we didn't rape and kill all the blacks

>>71623782
I meant you did the same thing towards your compatriots.

>>71623829
you can't compare

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>british colonies

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>french colonies

>>71624052
that French one is biased and incomplete

not surprised an american cocksock would post that kind of garbage though

>German colonies

>>71624052
>>71624078
>>71624131
see
>>71623045

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>>71624078
>>71624131
>Die deutschen Kolonien

>>71624030
That's right Haitians didn't eat each other
>Pendant la Révolution française, lors de la prise des Tuileries le 10 août 1792, des actes d'anthropophagie ont été commis lors du massacre des gardes suisses et du personnel du palais. Lors des massacres de Septembre, des cas de consommation de foies humains et d'hémophagie (consommation du sang) sont également rapportés.

>>71624435
>Haitians didn't eat each other
Cannibalism and slavery are still a thing in Haiti

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>>71624435
>That's right Haitians didn't eat each other

>>71622186
free handwork to plant Sugar Plants and to mine Gold.

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>>71624078
>German colonies

>>71624518
How much Haitian Creole can the average French person understand?

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>>71621803
>Portugal make such shitty colonies
Nice meme

>>71624052
Good Post

>>71624598
dunno man, 40-60% I guess, depends on the accent and the speed of locution, and if you're used to hearing it or not

>>71624575
Eastern Europe?

>>71624739
yes modern Germany is an eastern european colony

>>71624625
Luxembourg, too.

Because they race mixed

>>71623396
>many variables, yes, but it doesn't change the fact that they themselves dug their own hole
indeed

>>71623481
the eternal anglo strikes again

>>71624078
>>71624131
>implying countries where africans are majority won't end up like that
dude, any country where there's shit tons of africans will end up like that. Take haiti for example, they haven't got any drug issues or psychos getting guns like tacoland or colombia yet for some "strange" reason they managed to fuck things up big time, and the same happened in south africa, the moment blacks took over the country went to shit and never recovered.

>>71624486
>haitians still practice cannibalism
WUT? damn...just when i thought they couldn't be more degenerate....feeding upon the body of another human being, mother of god

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>>71621803

>>71622142
You forgot Liberia

>>71624990
it's like the fourth time, it's getting a bit boring desu

>>71625025
>Liberia
that's just an extension of Detroit

>>71622146
>we on the other hand didn't consider our colonies to have the same status as the motherland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_of_Portugal,_Brazil_and_the_Algarves

>>71625182
You're both right.

We didn't at first, then we did, then we tried not to again, but you guys got mad and left.

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>>71624435
>ywn be a fancy handsome revolutionary smugly drinking the aristocracy's blue blood out of a cup like it's a cup of red wine
feels bad man

>>71625469
si je te croise dans la rue à dire des conneries comme ça je te défonce la gueule

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France weak
Spain weak

UK stronk

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>>71625629
really makes you think

>>71622282
are you retarded? 98% of Anglo excolonies are much worse shitholes than any Latam country... all of those African nations, India, Iraq, Papua New Guinea... Belice and Guyana are some of the poorest countries south of the US. South Africa has a worse HDI than Bolivia...

>>71625593
t. monseigneur aristide-venceslas baron du chateau de mes couilles

si je te croise dans la rue à dire des conneries comme ça je te guillotine

>>71625819
j'ai pas une goutte de sang bleu mais vous autres les "anti-fascistes" vous avez le génocide facile, les Vendéens s'en souviennent

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Perú will try their best!

>>71625719
What does it make you think about?

>>71625892
peace, love and rock'n roll

>>71625888
holy shit please kys

>>71625847
ah non mais je suis pas anti-fasciste
c'est pas parce que tu fais un post sur la révolution que t'es anti-fasciste

ca fait déjà 200 ans que ca s'est passé on peut apprécier la période comme on apprécierait l'histoire ancienne
d'ailleurs il faudrait tourner la page, on dirait un juif, bientot 100 ans après l'holocauste et toujours a chialer

(et puis si on avait encore des nobles aujourd'hui je parie que ca serait les plus gros cocus du pays, comme les haut-gradés cathos)

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>>71625952
Did you just misspelled kiss?

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>>71626066
t'as raison, s'être fait massacrer les 3/4 de sa famille dans un génocide que l’état français refuse de reconnaître pour ne pas "salir l'honneur de la grande révolution", faut l'oublier.

Contrairement à ce que disait De Gaulle, les vrais français ont la mémoire longue.

>>71626202
Suck my BBC (Big Brazilian Cock) pls

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>>71621977
Belgium, Netherlands, Catalonia..

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but we are not a drain on the world

>>71625798
some anglos are so dumb they elected trump

>>71623343
>germany

>>71621977
Vietnam and England

>>71626853
prouve le

parce que une génération = 25 ans
tu as 2 parents disons qu'ils t'ont eu en 1975
4 grandparents en 50
8 arrière-grands parents en 25
16 en 1900
24 en 1875
48 en 1850
96 en 1825
192 en 1800
et puisque c'est pas des nourissons qui auraient génocidé ta famille, 384 en 1775

donc tu descends d'a peu près 400 personnes différentes vivantes a l'époque de la révolution

tu me dis que 300 de ces 400 personnes se seraient fait génocider mais j'ai du mal a te croire, avec autant de monde il est tout aussi probable qu'une bonne partie faisaient partie des génocideurs et qu'une bonne partie n'avait rien a voir avec tout ça

donc prouve le sors moi les tests généalogiques et ensuite j'approuverais ta démarche

>>71622146
>we on the other hand didn't consider our colonies to have the same status as the motherland
I thought Portuguese education was at least decent. Every overseas territories of Portugal was considered a direct extension of Portugal itself. There was no such thing as "Brazil" as a nation or as a separate entity from Portugal because the concept of nation states didn't even exist. Every "Brazilian" was Portuguese because we were all vassals to the same king.

Think of the relationship between Portugal and Brazil as is the current relationship between Portugal and Madeira/Açores. Brazil was a province of Portugal, much like Madeira and Açores. Also, building such a massive and wealthy capital in Brazil to later officially transfer the royal family to said capital seems to be quite a status. In fact, Brazil was far more important to Portugal than Portugal itself. No wonder both countries went to shit when Pedro the Retard detached Brazil from Portugal.

>>71628373
Wow,your opinion must be really popular in brazil

>Angl*s forgetting they are the reason Colombia, Venezuela and Argentina, 3 of the richest countries of planet earth, run by Criollos, where taken into poverty because of their subhuman intervention
I swear to God, I won't stop saying this: you are perfidious pirates telling HALF truths.
I would have loved you niggers doing this "let's compare colonies" back in the 60s to see which country did the best before the Angl*s interfered with everything.

Nuke Brazil pls

>>71628816
no i never heard that we all think that portugal just came here to exploit and get gold and wood, the maximum resources they could and not to make a country/civilization, but as i know portugal was in denbts with the uk and did that to pay uk.

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>>71628816
Not quite, it isn't. Here in Brazil we're thought the Portuguese are genetically inferior to Anglo-Saxons and that's the main reason why they simply "stole our gold" and still managed to remain the poorest nation in Western Europe.

Anyway, I'm currently watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCwDIZFPobo

You can check his other videos if you're interested on learning actual History.

>>71628977
>thought
*taught

>>71628977
you are a retard

>>71628227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjylUyPq0ao

>>71629121
And you're lacking basic reading comprehension. This >>71628373 is what I actually replied, and it's what he >>71628816 disagreed with.
This is what's currently taught in Brazil >>71628977, and I ain't even joking. This is what's actually true >>71628373.

In my discussions with our brothers from LATAM, everytime one of them raises the issues of colonisation and how bad we were, the response is double:

1.- The gold and riches we took were the price the new territories had to pay for been colonised and introduced to western civilisation.

2.- Go blame your ancestors, since mine obviously never sent there. They are the ones who fucked up the continent and have had 200 years to put things right.

3.- Depending on the conversation partner. Probably taking negroes to America was the worst decision ever... but it was decided so because natives were fucking lazy and, as early as 1515, had a few dozen laws protecting them.

>>71629493
This is pretty stupid though and pretty reductionist as hell.

Aaahee que se yo

Everything has to do with a) climate and environment, it's hard to have a highly developed society when it's constantly 30c+ and humid. b) how those countries became independent and what their population is and what its leadership is made from.

You'll notice that Britain also created shitty colonies. Africa, southeast asia. It has to do with these things.

>establishing colonies that may become stronger than you

cringe

>>71625469
You're an absolute faggot subhuman, consider suicide

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>>71628977
Shit map we have no African Admixture.

>>71629493
>spaniard calling latin american brothers
do you realize that will draw the attention of a lot of spaniards who always go full: THAT AIN'T TRUE YOU TRAITOR REEEEEE

>they were lazy
why would they work to death for the well-being of a bunch of foreigners? it makes sense they fought back
>blacks aren't lazy
>blacks
top kek
also, they have always been used like that, they did because otherwise they would get their asses kid or lynched. What's a bit hilarious is that blacks would starve to death because they couldn't sustain themselves (apparently agriculture was quite difficult for them as well as keeping things together).

>>71622683
kek

>>71629701
this

>>71630128
>What's a bit hilarious is that blacks would starve to death because they couldn't sustain themselves (apparently agriculture was quite difficult for them as well as keeping things together).

In what context?

>>71621803
Are you retarded or what?
France - Tunis, Algeria
Brits - India (billions that cant poo in the loo are enough)

>>71630373
India is actually developing pretty good. Also drop the poo in loo meme it makes you look like guy with a shit fascination complex. India has a big rural population and building up facilities for public toilets alongside developing the sewer system and such for toilets takes a lot of time and resources to roll it out.

Like one thing that people stupidly post but refuse to elaborate in detail is the toilet ritual picture. They are still going to use the toliet it's just they like doing ritual's for stuff they get like cars or mopeds.

>>71628977
ah yeah we basically are taught that we are shit because portugal is shit and the portuguese are shit, lol.

>>71629493
>In my discussions with our brothers from LATAM
You are also an arrow thrower. Stop LARPing monkey

>>71621803
>Haiti

>>71621803
no experience in self rule/democracy leads to shitty attempts at democracy upon independence leading to unstable democracies and dictatorships leading to general shittyness

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>>71623358
Chile?

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>>71624052
>>71624671
fake and bad post

>>71633225
fucking kek, wena

>>71622146
Correct.

>>71621977
Haiti and French Guiana, and shit parts of africa