I must admit, I really dislike Poland They always just take take

>>71609271
okay

>>71609271
okay

>>71609271
agree

>>71609271
agree

>>71609600
Thank you for your support
I think Russia and Germany need to work together to keep Poland in check

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>>71609271

2bh I am very grateful for all your help Germany

Thanks to you Poland will be back on track in no time!

Greetings from Breslau! :3

>>71609649
we should occupy it and split it in two, one for me and one for you

>>71609649
>Germany want to make the same mistake again

>>71609799
You seem like a very reasonable individual.
Unfortunately, it seems to me like most of your countrymen dont share your point of view
And the election of PiS and them acting against the constitution makes me really worried about future of Poland

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>>71609823
Come on you two, not again!
*laugh track*

>>71609929
this time without you

>>71610307
agree my good friend

when do we begin?

>>71610652
Well, looking how the Polish ruling party ignores the constitution and acts like a dictatorship, maybe we should send some "peace-keeping forces" to Poland?

>>71609271
What do you mean they don't give you anything in return? They buy your cars, they work on your constructions, they submit to your laws that they are barely prepared to adopt. The development funds you send in return are a pittance in comparison to the extent of bonding nations experience under shared market regulations.

And when it comes to migrant crisis, you expect them to shoulder costs of border policy of your choosing, you literally demand a blank cheque on blind trust in your leadership.

And it's not like Germany would not pursue its own selfish national interest over that of the community. Good example of this is building a new pipeline to Russia deepening strategical weakness against Russian exports instead of investing into diversifying energy sources and consolidating the community's power grid.

>>71609271
as if shitmany would even give 1 single cent out of goodness
parasite krauts

>>71610833
>They buy your cars, they work on your constructions, they submit to your laws that they are barely prepared to adopt
Trade is something we both benefit from, and the EU laws are created with both Polish and German input, among other countries.

>The development funds you send in return are a pittance in comparison to the extent of bonding nations experience under shared market regulations.
The development funds is something we give to them without any clear, immidiate benefit to us. Sure, we are gonna profit eventually if Poland stays a friendly country that does trade with us, but it would be perfectly legal to them to stop trade with us and leave the EU, and they wouldnt have to pay back the development funds, so it is sort of a risky investment for us.

>And when it comes to migrant crisis, you expect them to shoulder costs of border policy of your choosing, you literally demand a blank cheque on blind trust in your leadership.
The Dublin agreement was temporary put out of place to help Italy and Greece who couldn't handle the influx of refugees. Yet countries like Poland, who benefited so much from German solidarty, refused to help us with that problem. For countries like Poland, solidarity seems to only count when it benefits us.

>
And it's not like Germany would not pursue its own selfish national interest over that of the community. Good example of this is building a new pipeline to Russia deepening strategical weakness against Russian exports instead of investing into diversifying energy sources and consolidating the community's power grid.
All of EU countries agreed on liberalization of energy trade in Europe. So it is the perfect right of private companies to build gas pipelines in the Baltic sea. And now Poland suddenly wants to back out of the agreement they signed aswell, just because it doesn't fit their political interest. This is just a futher proof that Poland is a very unreliable partner.

FUCK OFF PAID SCHULZ SCHILL

>>71611076
Schulz will win and make Poland pay.
I was unsure if I would vote for him, but this promise alone makes it worth

>>71611053
>Trade is something we both benefit from, and the EU laws are created with both Polish and German input, among other countries.
Trade benefits both partners, but very rarely does it benefit both partners equally. Adopting high western standards is expensive, especially in environment of a post-socialist economy, as you should be aware of considering that Germany had to pay insane amounts of money to uplift its eastern areas (and despite that generous treatment of eastern germany, it's no more friendly towards migrants than rest of eastern europe).

What you so possessively call "your investment" is but a weak offset of difficulties and demands placed on such countries. Poland owes you nothing, and if you think you can treat it, or any other member of the union, from position of superiority, then the union will have a short and failed future indeed.

>he Dublin agreement was temporary put out of place to help Italy and Greece who couldn't handle the influx of refugees. Yet countries like Poland, who benefited so much from German solidarty, refused to help us with that problem. For countries like Poland, solidarity seems to only count when it benefits us.
As you yourself admit, the present agreement does not work, and it was effectively suspended for years now, long before balkan route and syria conflict became a thing. What did you do to change this back then when migrants were already travelling through Italy unfettered? Did you make any effort whatsoever to put a more efficient system in place? Did you make any such attempt after saying "wir shaffen das"? No. All you did was demand that other countries accept arbitrary amount of migrants without giving even a hint of assurance that anything will be done to limit this amount.
Personally I'm all for solidarity and sharing the burden of common policy. But first there has to be a proposal of actual policy.

>liberalisation of trade
sure thing, and Schroeder is only there because he's such a good businessman

>>71611533
>Trade benefits both partners, but very rarely does it benefit both partners equally.
Agreed, Poland benefited from the trade much more than Germany. In the 90s, they were as poor as Ukraine, I remember driving with my parents through Poland and seeing carts pulled by horses.
And look where Poland is nowadays, they economy grew much more and their standard of living improved much more than in Germany.

>Poland owes you nothing, and if you think you can treat it, or any other member of the union, from position of superiority, then the union will have a short and failed future indeed.
If you think that those who contribute and those who benefit from an union are equal, I am not really interested in such sort of "solidarity". Maybe we should create a new Union, consisting only out of western Europe and those Eastern European countries who are willing to show solidarity.
Then Poland can trade with Russia, for all I am concerned.

>Personally I'm all for solidarity and sharing the burden of common policy. But first there has to be a proposal of actual policy.
kinda convinient point of view you have there, since your country profits from the EU development funds, and from the common policy against Russia, yet when it comes to you having to show solidarity, there are always some reasons for you to talk your way out.

>sure thing, and Schroeder is only there because he's such a good businessman
Schröder is actually a pretty good businessman and both Germany and Russia benefits from the gas trade. And I know that Poland would love it if the Russian gas would go through their country, so they could piss of Russia and take Germany as a hostage with their irresponsible actions, but I dont think they are entitled to our pipelines going through their country.

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poland is god-tier fuck off, shlomo

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>>71609842
>And the election of PiS and them acting against the constitution makes me really worried about future of Poland

LOL XD

>>71611787
You are very arrogant if you think that the development of Poland is exclusively or even mostly due to ability to trade with Germany. The fact that your standard of living hasn't improved is partly due to your blowing insane amounts of money on eastern germany and partly due to deliberate decisions of your businesses to throttle rise in wages and your social reforms.

>If you think that those who contribute and those who benefit from an union are equal, I am not really interested in such sort of "solidarity"
Then you are ignorant both of how the union works and for reasons why anyone would want to be in it. Your approach to the matter is basically the same as what you accuse Poland of having and the reason why EU will collapse if you get your way.

>kinda convinient point of view
it's a rational one. If similar approach was taken while agreeing on rules for the common currency, there would be no greek debt crisis - or at least not on european level.
Your insistence on bringing up development funds and now policy against Russia just shows how little you know of either.

>germany and russia benefit from the gas trade
again, an example of putting national interest ahead of the community one. It's fine if you want to think in those categories but then you have no ground to stand on when criticizing poland for pursuing theirs. Deepening strategic dependency on Russia is to detriment of the community and in longer term its also bad for your own sovereignty. But at least someone will make a lot of money on it.

>>71609271
i've met good poles, i've met bad poles. they like czechs, but despise every other slavic nation, and like to suck german dicks. is there really someone, who likes them? i kinda do, but too much nationalistic assholes kinda ruin the picture

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>>71609271
>But when we need help with the refugee crisis, they are suddenly all about "flexible solidarity"

Germoney we can't help you with refugee crisis because those mudslims dont want to live in Poland, and unfortunately for you those days when you put someone in camps in Poland are gone. sorry.

>>71609271

I hate Poles too

Maybe we should form some sort of pact against their evil ways

>>71609271
then just leave the EU

>>71612396
I love you Żydku :*

>>71612396
t. Russian Jew

>Roleplaying countries

>>71612182
>You are very arrogant if you think that the development of Poland is exclusively or even mostly due to ability to trade with Germany.
Yeah, I am sure that without the European Union, Poland would do just fine, just like Ukraine.

>Then you are ignorant both of how the union works and for reasons why anyone would want to be in it. Your approach to the matter is basically the same as what you accuse Poland of having and the reason why EU will collapse if you get your way.
I am not interested in an Union where Germany only gives and eastern erope only takes.

>it's a rational one.
So if you need help, Germany should help, but if we need help, you take a "rational" approach? No thank you.

>again, an example of putting national interest ahead of the community one.
Nordstream II was created by private enterprizes, and whole EU agreed to liberalization of the Energy market, including Poland. And now they want to revert the treaty, because it doesnt suit their national interest

>>71612380
That wouldn't be a problem. Imagine an EU-wide asylum request approval, where if a refugee gets approved for asylum, he directed to a member state, and he only gets benefits as long as he stays in the said member states. He is free to leave the EU, of course, if he dislikes Poland, for example

>>71609271
>They always just take take take, and never give anything back in return.
gj german media

>>71615431
hey remember how Germany forced Euro on all the other EU member states?
Oh wait, thats not what happend. We loved our DM and France blackmailed uns into Euro in return for accepting German reunification

>>71615465
Perfidious Krautland

>>71615675
i cant even tell if you are a bong or polack

>>71615465
>blackmailed
Did they blackmail you into signing the Maastricht treaty too?

>>71615736
lmoa

alrighty

>>71615768
They blackmailed us into joining the Eurozone.
We would have much prefered to keep our strong DM

>>71615884
Meh, the euro was part of Maastricht so it was bound to happen sometime. Were there German politicians and people who wanted the mark to stay? Sure. We had people like that here too with the drachma, but these people weren't the decisive factor when it came to meterialising the common currency.

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>>71616112
except UK and Denmark got an opt-out option
And the Euro was created specifically to "tame" German economy by the French.
Didn't work out for them though

>>71616180
The French are fucking thick as pig shit.

>>71616180
The Maastricht treaty was a large project and everybody took part in it. You could have just as easily rejected the euro. What would the French do? Kick you out of the EU ? lol
Even if you were actually blackmailed, you adapted fast, forming your own agenda to compete with China and other powerhouses. Others might consider it a dick move but who cares anyway? everybody looks after themselves. Your example is being followed now.

>>71609271
>I must admit
You're supposed to use this phrase when you say something unexpected, not something obvious.
Also your bait's getting stale, Hans

>>71616567
The EU only works as long as Germany and France go along.
And "watcha gonna do about this, bitch?", is not how germany does dimplomacy.

>>71616631
>And "watcha gonna do about this, bitch?", is not how germany does dimplomacy.
Unless it's a weak country.
France is another story. In the long run you have beaten France but this might devovle into another trade war. We'll see. Interesting times are ahead.

>>71615277
>I am not interested in an Union where Germany only gives and eastern europe only takes.
Do you know who benefits most from Eu and Euro-zone surprise Germany what will you say to all southern states like Italy, Spain, Portugal who are in big problems because of you let´s not forget Greece where is your solidarity ohh yes I can´t find it.
And lastly if we would accept those refugees how can you guarantee me it wont end like in Western Europe just look at the problems you have with them or tell me how in CZ Vietnamese from other side of the world managed to integrate whilst Gypsies who live in our land for hundreds of years make up 50 % of prisoner in CZ.

>>71616836
>Unless it's a weak country.
let me guess, you feel bullied by Germany

Poland is one of those countries where they'll cry forever that they get bullied and yet their country looks like a piece of garbage when left in their care. I mean, hell, just look at how butthurt they got at this (see YT comments):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UL8MCgwTlk

>>71616926
Not really. It's just how things work across the world.

without the EU, the German currency would greatly revalue because of their large trade superavit, making it very hard to manufacture there in a competitive way.
and without the EU, the currency of many of the countries in problems would greatly devalue.

UK avoided that problem to a degree because they never adopted the Euro.

In the EU, some countries have to be the New York and California, and others have to be Arkansas or Florida.

>>71609271
So are you mad that Poland is a parasitic country, or that they're ebil racists who don't want Muslims to rape their woman? Or both?

Plus Poland takes in a ton of Ukrainians from war torn parts.

>>71616884
>Do you know who benefits most from Eu and Euro-zone
Eastern Europe

>let´s not forget Greece where is your solidarity ohh yes I can´t find it.
if there was no solidarity, we would have kicked Greece out of Eurozone and let them to rot, like Schäubel wanted

>And lastly if we would accept those refugees how can you guarantee me it wont end like in Western Europe
I cant you guarantee it. That's what solidarity is all about. Helping your friend, even if it doesn't have an immediate benefit to you.

>>71617052
it doesn't work everywhere the same.
If you act against Russians interest, they will invade you or support separatists in your country.
If you act against German interest, you will get some careful words of disagreement as answere and we will try to find a mutual beneficial solution with you

>>71617092
Actually Schauble in 2015 proposed Grexit along with a 50 bln € loan.

>>71617065
>So are you mad that Poland is a parasitic country
This one

>Plus Poland takes in a ton of Ukrainians from war torn parts.
Those are working migrants. They are not refugees

>>71617092
funny how you conveniently ignore the point he makes and keep on spouting the same bs

>Helping your friend, even if it doesn't have an immediate benefit to you.
imagine this hypothetical scenario

>you are throwing a party
>invite some friends, then say fuck it, tell them to bring whoever they want with them
>loads of people arrive
>party starts getting way out of hand
>you get a brilliant idea and send some people to your neighbour who did not invite anyone, he is not even throwing a party at all
>neighbour tells them to kys
>throw an autistic hissy fit how you got him a job, so he should be thankful and show some solidarity, despite the fact that the job and the party have absolutely nothing in common

makes sense
also
>friend
yeah nah

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>>71617264
>refugees must be required to sit on their asses and do nothing.

>>71615277
>Yeah, I am sure that without the European Union, Poland would do just fine, just like Ukraine.
That's actually rather hard to say because you'd have to model development of political and economic climate. And even then you'd have to differentiate between credit due to Germany as a country and trading partner, and to EU as an institution.

>I am not interested in an Union where Germany only gives and eastern erope only takes.
Good. Europe doesn't work this way, no matter whether you're baiting or genuinely ignorant. Regardless, if you feel that's how it is then you should leave.

>So if you need help, Germany should help, but if we need help, you take a "rational" approach? No thank you.
You are trying to push it into a personal dispute over trading favours which is dishonest. EU institutions should either come up with comprehensive migrant policy or shut down schengen area.
I'm not asking you for anything, nor do I expect anything from you. Not from Germany and definitely not from you personally.

>Nordstream II was created by private enterprizes, and whole EU agreed to liberalization of the Energy market, including Poland. And now they want to revert the treaty, because it doesnt suit their national interest
This kind of strategic investment is never up to private enterprise, if only due to regulatory requirements. Liberalisation of internal market is also a separate thing to relationships with outside. But I'm glad you at least admit that it's a case of national interests of germany and not those of the entire union.

tl;dr if EU is not meant to be union of nations that respect each other then it should not exist at all.

>>71617252
And this solution would have been much more beneficial to Germany.
Yet Merkel decided against it, even though arguing with Greece was anything but easy, especially with that clown Varoufakis. And yet she pulled through it, after months of arguing, beeing insulted as nazi by Greek press, we eventually came to a deal that would harm the Greek people much less than Grexit
And I dont think Greek people appreciate it, they probably still see us as nazis and opressors, and the Syriza party as traitors.

>>71617346
refugees must be required to be persecuted in their country, and flee from a war zone. Most of Ukraine isnt a war zone, you know? Actually, the conflict is reduced to a few skirmishes

>>71617226
Yeah Libya and Syria are living proof.

>>71611913
looks like a flaming benis

>>71617494
What if I were to tell you that most "refugees" coming to your country aren't from Syria, because most don't have papers?

>>71617092
>>Do you know who benefits most from Eu and Euro-zone
>Eastern Europe
You literally brought all important companies and now all excessive profit goes back to Germany you are benefiting most from all of this look at you´r trade balance you are destroying southern Europe
>if there was no solidarity, we would have kicked Greece out of Eurozone and let them to rot, like Schäubel wanted
Yes that´s why you decided to strangle Greece with your amazing reforms which are slowly killing them amazing tactic and kicking them out of Eur-ozone would be better then they would simply devalue their currency.
>I cant you guarantee it. That's what solidarity is all about. Helping your friend, even if it doesn't have an immediate benefit to you.
Yes on this I agree but then we have to do something either like Australia or pick one fraction in Libya and support them under condition they will stop influx of refugees.

>>71617290
except i am paying the rent of the neighbour
oh, and i am not throwing a party, i am helping people in need.
and i invide them to my flat in the first place because another neighbour of mine has too many of them in his appartment and needs help

>>71617425
>That's actually rather hard to say because you'd have to model development of political and economic climate. And even then you'd have to differentiate between credit due to Germany as a country and trading partner, and to EU as an institution.
They were literally at the same level, after the break of Soviet Union. Sure, it might be just a coincidence that the country that joined the EU got wealthy and the other one didnt.
Also, Germany very strongly supported Poland joining the EU. Meanwhile, it would have been incredibly easy for us to block them from entering. We would even have an argument, that they occupy Germanys rightful territory.

>Good. Europe doesn't work this way, no matter whether you're baiting or genuinely ignorant. Regardless, if you feel that's how it is then you should leave.
We dont need to leave. We need to stop playin ball with the egoistic eastern europeans, and grab them by the balls. What are you guys gonna do, trade with Russia, lol?

>I'm not asking you for anything, nor do I expect anything from you. Not from Germany and definitely not from you personally.
Then I hope you wouldn't mind if the flow of EU develoment funds to your country stops?

>>71617604
then we need to prove if those people qualify for asylum or not, and this takes some time. We cant read minds, you know?

>>71617514
Are you blaming us now for American wars?

>>71617440
>Nazis
So what? Everybody calls us lazy, corrupt, stupid all the time. Grow up.

I agree with Schauble on the Grexit deal but without any further loans. The debt as is is unpayable anyway without restructuring. Putting more loans on top off it doesn't make much sense. Schauble was right that it would be an abrupt shock but eventually things would improve. Now the inevitable is just being postponed because the EU is unstable and wants to avoid another breakaway country. At least that's what Merkel and Obama wanted. Trump officials offered Grexit and connecting the drachma to the dollar.

German Spongebob is scary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV2ksNgEn9w

>>71617621
>You literally brought all important companies and now all excessive profit goes back to Germany
Yes, you would have been better off if you were left free to develop your own industry, like Ukraine.

>and kicking them out of Eur-ozone would be better then they would simply devalue their currency.
Then why didn't they leave the Europe Union? Probably they dont understand politics as well as some random czech on a meme board.

>Yes on this I agree but then we have to do something either like Australia or pick one fraction in Libya and support them under condition they will stop influx of refugees.
And we are striking deals, with Turkey and other countries. But this cant happen over night, it needs time. And in the meantime, we need help from our neighbours and friends to accommodate those people. Yet our friends and neighbours suddenly decided that they are not too keen on solidarity

>>71617759
In Libya Americans had much less to do than the EU especially the French. In Syria EU bombers and military advisors are right there on the spot although Americans are much more involved.

>>71617892
The difference is, we are not nazis anymore. And considering our history, we dont take such accusations lightly.
Meanwhile, I hope you wont deny that corruption is a big problem in Greece

>>71617716
>They were literally at the same level, after the break of Soviet Union. Sure, it might be just a coincidence that the country that joined the EU got wealthy and the other one didnt.
You are being sarcastic but that's pretty much how it is. EU was a strong player forcing poland to adopt western standards, but it was not the only one. At the end of the day Poland did not have to adopt shock therapy.
>Also, Germany very strongly supported Poland joining the EU. Meanwhile, it would have been incredibly easy for us to block them from entering. We would even have an argument, that they occupy Germanys rightful territory.
Maybe if people in charge then were as delusional as you, you would have done exactly this.

>We dont need to leave. We need to stop playin ball with the egoistic eastern europeans, and grab them by the balls. What are you guys gonna do, trade with Russia, lol?
You are welcome to try. You've spent too much time on /int/ if you truly believe the "germans control le EU" meme. Your grasp is much weaker than you think. If you begin to act like you own the place, coalitions WILL form to put you back into place, assuming the whole thing doesn't disintegrate first.
Of course that's purely academic debate because even MEGA Schulz would be considerably more diplomatic in dealing with Poland than you can imagine.

>Then I hope you wouldn't mind if the flow of EU develoment funds to your country stops?
I certainly wouldn't. In grand scheme of things they are pretty meaningless.

>>71618054
I agree, France was involved in Lybia
But what does it have to do with Germany?

>>71617716
>except i am paying the rent of the neighbour
you are not, the thought that our economy would collapse if it wasn't for the EU/Germany (and the fact that these two terms are often interchangeable really makes one thing) is simply stupid
yes, it would be a big blow, but our country would definitely not end up like Ukraine
but keep dreaming

>oh, and i am not throwing a party, i am helping people in need.
it's called analogy, plus no one asked you to "help people in need" so you have no right to push this obligation on others, we are not your god damn subjects, get it?
if you are so hell-bent on being humanitarian, sure go ahead, but keep the statement above in mind

>and i invide them to my flat in the first place because another neighbour of mine has too many of them in his appartment and needs help
so instead of either kicking them out of his flat or trying to come up with another (maybe less radical) solution, we should just redistibute them across the whole apartment complex
what a wonderful idea

>>71618095
>we dont take such accusations lightly
Why should we then?
Who are you to point the finger when all of your major corporations are involved in corruption scandals?

>>71618243
so if a German company makes a corrupt deal with Greek governement, it means that Germany is corrupt and Greece isnt?

>>71618182
Germany is not involved in Syria?

>>71618192
>you are not, the thought that our economy would collapse if it wasn't for the EU/Germany (and the fact that these two terms are often interchangeable really makes one thing) is simply stupid
You wouldn't collaps, you would simply remain on the same level as Ukraine, if you never joined the EU.

>it's called analogy, plus no one asked you to "help people in need" so you have no right to push this obligation on others, we are not your god damn subjects, get it?
Greece and Italy, asked for help, because they couldn't handle the influx of refugees anymore

>instead of either kicking them out
and "kicking them out" means letting them drown in your analogy?

>>71618319
No it means that you are corrupt too. Everybody benefited. The company, the company executive, the government official.

>>71618319
No, but it means that you're not blameless.

>>71618359
Not really, it's not. And it's definitely not responsible for the mess in there.

>>71618464
>>71618477
Our companies are not state owned. They don't represent our people. And I take an educated guess that without corruption, you cant have deals done in a country like Greece. If you dont bribe offcials, you will never get necessary authorizations

>>71618701
That's not what educated guess means, but even if it were true, it's still wrong to allow your corporations to harm your reputation this way. I won't condone it with our corporations and I don't see why anyone should condone it in theirs.

>>71618477
The EU (and that means Germany too) wants to topple Assad. It has backtracked on that for now because it's way too fucked up there to deal with Assad. I think even Belgium has sent a couple of F16s

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>>71609271
Weekend posters are the worst.

>>71618778
Well if you wanted to be pedantic then yeah, pretty much everyone and their uncle have some planes doing bombing runs on Daesh. Even so Germany was not among the powers that initiated either the arab spring or the fighting.

>>71618701
You didn't sell cars with fake emission readings only to the Greek state though. You did accept a Siemens executive flee to Germany and avoid prosecution in Greece and so on. As a people, no i don't consider you corrupt if that's what you mean.

>>71618463
> you would simply remain on the same level as Ukraine
wrong
I found some stats on GDP of Czechoslovakia in 1990, but it's kinda pointless since the value of currency shifted hard since then
but it you seriously think it's economy was as bad as Ukraine's today with all it's corruption and ongoing conflict you are simply delusional

>and "kicking them out" means letting them drown in your analogy?
no, it means not fishing for smuggling ships 15km away from the coast of Libya
it also means not taking them from sea and then simply letting them run wild and unchecked

it the ship goes down, there is nothing easier than rescuing them and shipping them back instead of giving them express ride to Europe

the solutions are there, but certain country wants it another way I guess

>>71619255
>it the ship goes down, there is nothing easier than rescuing them and shipping them back instead of giving them express ride to Europe
You do know that those are sovereign countries in North Africa, and you cant just dump people there without their premission, right?

>>71618992
No i'm talking about the early stages of the civil war in Syria when the EU openly condemned Assad for war crimes, gas attacks and supported(s?) his fall when eventually it became obvious that most opposition factions were just as brutal or worse. The Assad regime had close ties to Russia not western powers before the war and it had to be removed.

>>71619310
That's why you diplomatically coerce them to take these people by giving them money and threatening to withhold development aid.

EU or whatever is left after its gone will have to be much more active in dealing with those countries, because the seven figure migrant counts so far are still nothing compared to what will come over next decades.

Climate change is a real thing, and birthrate is still going up down there.

>>71619446
There was actually a legit democratic opposition to Assad back then, it's just he managed to kill them off or radicalize them with carpet bombings while Obama and Putin were negotiating peace in our time.

>>71619310
those countries are letting said "refugees" through without a worry (plus usually adding their own people to the mix headed for Europe) so I really don't see why they shouldn't suffer the consequences for their actions (or lack of it)

>sovereign countries
yes, and there are also sovereign countries unwilling to accept illegals from MENA in Eastern Europe, since they see no point in it as it solves nothing

>>71619592
>That's why you diplomatically coerce them to take these people by giving them money and threatening to withhold development aid.
And those diplomatic talks need some time.
In the meantime, we need to accommodate the immigrants who are already here. We asked our Eastern European neighbours and friends for help, yet our help request got denied.

>>71619681
>yes, and there are also sovereign countries unwilling to accept illegals from MENA in Eastern Europe, since they see no point in it as it solves nothing
fine by me. but then dont be mad if the sovereign country Germany will be less willing in future to give you development funds or protect you against russians

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>>71616972
>this is how we're portrayed in USA
>le punching bag of yurop amirite Cletus xDD
Jesus Christ, this explains so much. I admit I'm butthurt.
Most of the stuff in this video is utter bullshit. Literally half of these """invaders""" video got their asses kicked.

>>71619725
>development funds
why not? it's not like they are used to help our school or healthcare system, they help nothing

>oh my god we won't be able to afford new buses every 2 years
the horror

>protect you against russians
that would be NATO, not Germany

>implying Germans would be willing to fight for any EE country
top heh

>>71609271
>take take take
If we demanded repparations for what you did to uss during 123 years of partitions, and durring WW2, like the jews, brits & french did, you would be paying for the next 500 years.

Also, out of every 2 euros of 'aid', 1.8 goes back to german economy in the form of deals for german industry. This is official EU data.
And, last but not least, we pay our fair share into the EU budget too.

Germans teully are lying peaces of shit.

"Give and take" means you take from the European Union, and then you give back to it.
What do Syrian and Nafri (i.e. non-EU) refugees have to do with any of this? They can get the fuck out of Europe, I fully support Poland on this. And I hope Schulz won't become Chancellor. I hope you're aware he's pretty much exactly the same as Merkel. I don't get why anyone is so excited about him.

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>mfw it's germans this time who will be put in the chambers

>>71619694
>And those diplomatic talks need some time.
They should have been going on for decade now. But fair enough.

>In the meantime, we need to accommodate the immigrants who are already here. We asked our Eastern European neighbours and friends for help, yet our help request got denied.
Actually the initial one time relief program involving couple of thousand migrants did come through and even my own country agreed to take some of them (and even that was used by propagandists here against the government). However as it turns out, surprise surprise, the system does not work even for this. Bureaucrats are incapable to arrange the transfer.
Furthermore even the refugees that DO arrive here simply pack their shit and leave for Germany or Sweden anyway.

>>71619725
>protect you against russians
Germany would never even introduce sanctions without pressure from USA. It's almost funny to see you use this as example of how generous Germany is towards us.

>>71619905
Just out of curiosity, if you don't mind me asking: from what regions of Germany are you >>71619694 and >>71619905 you?

>>71620207
i am from bavaria and i am this guy >>71619694

>>71620207
I am >>71619905
and i'm from Eastern Germany, and i'm not 16 like the other guy

Do Poles even realize that we pay for everything goods in their life? When you eat, when you walk on pavement, do you thank the Swedes?

We ask nothing in return but a little gratitude.

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>tfw germans hate you

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>>71620395
You don't get to complain until you give back our door frames, maid dresses, and stairs, Sven.

>>71620395
every breath i take, I thank Sweden

>>71620395
Not a Pole, but thanks Sven!

>>71609271

What a cucked comic. Your cunt Merkel invited them in, she can house all those fucking Pakis, Afghanis and sandnigger dicks in her cunt on her own. No way are they polluting other EU countries with that filth.

>>71619818
butthurt

>>71620935
>merkele invited them meme strikes again

>>71620577
The stairs are rightful German claim

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>>71609271
>reap profit from EU common like every member country
>provide westerners with cheap labour force and new investment areas
>not agree with another Germ plan to destroy Europe
Kys, Herman

>>71620082
You did what you thought was right.
I just hope that you are aware that the decision to abadon Germany costed you a lot of political capital. The next time you desire something from the EU, it might prove to be very hard to convice Germany to support your position.
To me, as a German, it feels like the eastern european people dont really appreciate all the help we give to them. They either feel entitled to it, or see us as dumb suckers who should be exploited

Germany gib back moneyz for destroying Warsaw, I will give you my PayPal email when you are ready

>>71621102
plenty of other countries that could provide us with cheap labour and investment area. Maybe we could tighten our economic relations with russia

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>>71621315
Money incoming

>>71621281
To me as a Czech it feels like you personally are trying to simultaneously play a victim card and claim superiority.

I can't tell if you're doing it to troll people or because you're genuinely misled into thinking that Germany is being exploited. In either case you won't gain anything by trying to guilt trip anyone, especially not on this board.

>>71621563
Go ahead and do it. What could possibly go wrong? After all you're both respectable countries that honor the law and contracts.

>>71621824
I genuinly think that some eastern european countries exploit the good will of Germany, by either feeling entitled to our help or seeing our good will as weakness.
And I know that writing here wont change anything, neither me or you hold any political power. Only thing I can do is vote for Schulz, who made it very clear that solidarity is not a one-way street for him.

>>71621937
We never had any problems trading with Russians.

>it feels like you personally are trying to simultaneously play a victim card and claim superiority.

After going through this thread I got the same impression from reading the German.

To fulfill the stereotype I really don't know much about the situation happening in Europe. I recall Farage saying that Germany profited from Souther Europe's economic demise but I have no idea how or in which way.

What I do know and disagree is that even as an economic block Germany should not force refugees into other sovereign nations. You want them, sure but don't make others accept them too. Nations should be able to make that choice themselves.

>>71622033
>I genuinly think that some eastern european countries exploit the good will of Germany
Then you are a fool. Germany does nothing out of good will and EU is not a charity.
Maybe if it did and were, it would not be so tense today, although propaganda can turn even good intentions into malicious schemes.

You're also wrong in your estimation of who gives and who receives what, but that's pointless to argue if you consider other peoples as sort of cattle.

Good luck to Schulz, but if you're earnest in your contempt for non-germans then you'd be disappointed in him.

>we never had any problems trading with russians
you have more problems with them already than you know. And I'm ashamed that in no small measure due to people my country hosts as "diplomats".

>>71615277
>Poland would do just fine, just like Ukraine
Doubt

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>>71620988
>I'm admit I'm butthurt
>lol butthurt

>>71622517
>To fulfill the stereotype I really don't know much about the situation happening in Europe
So let me help you by summoning it up real quick:
>Greece and Italy are beeing overwhelmed by refugee influx, ask EU for help
>Germany decides to help them by temporary putting Dublin 2 agreement out of power, opening the borders for refugees
>Germany asks other EU member states, who greatly benefit from money we give them for free, to give back something in return and take a few refugees from Greece and Italy
>Most countries deny the request
This is the reason why some Germans like myself are pissed, since we feel like we are beeing exploited by Eastern Europeans countries, who see the EU just as a way to get rich and dont really care about European values

>>71622636
If Poland were to be expelled from the EU would you annex it?

>>71622685
Are these refugees stuck in Italy and Greece Syrian refugees?
If so why did Italy and Greece let them in if they knew they could not handle them?

>>71622614
>Then you are a fool. Germany does nothing out of good will and EU is not a charity.
I genuinly believe that German politician are actually good people, much better than myself.
After the collaps of the soviet Union, you and other eastern european countries were with the wall against your back. Your only realistic trading opportunity was the EU block. If Germany really wanted to, we could have easily turned you into economical colonies, opening your markets for our industry while denying your people entrance to our country. Your only options would have been to either accept it or to join Russians sphere of influence.
And yet German politician went against it, accepting you as brothers in the EU, giving you same rights as we have, the same right to veto every decision EU makes. The only explanation I have for that is that they genuinly care about EU as a project and want their fellow Europeans to be well off.

>>71622835
what else are they gonna do? Let the refugees drown?
Italy and Greece alone didnt have the power to negotiate deals with North American countries, and EU failed to help those countries for far too long.

>>71622517
>I recall Farage saying that Germany profited from Souther Europe's economic demise but I have no idea how or in which way.
Farage is/was pretty good at destructive criticism. Admittedly it's the only thing he's good at.

Common currency deprived southern europe countries that participated on it (Greece, Spain, Italy...) of possibility to devalue their currency during crisis to improve their competitiveness. That led to big profits and surplus for the efficient, competitive germany on one side and debt problems and unemployment for the southern euros.
It also helped the south accrue large amount of debt because markets were taking the currency union as implicit guarantee and offered them debt cheaply.

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Fuck the EU. Bring it on, Germcucks

>blaming someone for not destroying their country

>>71622956
Did you mean North African?

Boats? So people were going on boats from North Africa to Europe like Cubans do to Florida?

Then why is this /pol/ rhetoric that Germany took more than 1.4 million refugees last year alone? How can that be from boats alone? I was under the impression that you literally opened your borders and even shipped some of them from Africa to your country. Care to explain how does that work?

>>71621563
>Maybe we could tighten our economic relations with russia
>implying you're not doing it anyway with Nordstream
>>71621281
>They either feel entitled to it
And why wouldn't we? We pay our shares and fulfill EU regulations. Letting thousands of illegal African immigrants without any IDs was never a part of the deal.
>>71615350
>That wouldn't be a problem. Imagine an EU-wide asylum request approval, where if a refugee gets approved for asylum, he directed to a member state, and he only gets benefits as long as he stays in the said member states. He is free to leave the EU, of course, if he dislikes Poland, for example
Okay, you have got to be baiting.
If you have no problem with telling them to fuck off then why is there a problem in the first place?

>>71622732
Me? Not.

>>71622992
So what benefits did the Southern Europeans gain from this if any? What were the promises or expectations they had when they joined? It sounds like joining was a bad idea then they wouldn't have joined in the first place unless at that moment they thought it would benefit them.

>>71622906
>If Germany really wanted to, we could have easily turned you into economical colonies, opening your markets for our industry while denying your people entrance to our country
That did actually happen. Eastern europe IS colony for western europe and our people WERE denied access to Germany. At the end of the day the difference might be smaller than you think.
>The only explanation I have for that is that they genuinly care about EU as a project and want their fellow Europeans to be well off.
Or they wanted to ensure they would get their share of the eastern european cake. That would be far from guaranteed if we were left out, and if you were actively blocking us then you would additionally harm your position in any subsequent deals.

>>71622906
>If Germany really wanted to, we could have easily turned you into economical colonies,
But that's precisely what you did. I pass German hypermarkets every single day. Do you think the money they make stays here?
>opening your markets for our industry while denying your people entrance to our country.
Just like in all European countries your birth rates are low, therefore you needed the cheap labour. Letting Eastern Euros in was very beneficial to you, so stop bullshiting about muh good will and solidarity, because never had any.

>>71623424
Well, everything looks clearer in hindsight, but benefits from common currency are lower barriers of trade and overall greater efficiency of market mechanism. It should have been win-win situation. It was also politically attractive: look, our european project has another beautiful symbol, a currency that we share!
Admittedly even then there were voices speaking of dangers of integrating all these countries into a currency union without a fiscal and transfer union to offset imbalances and harmonize fiscal policies, but they were ignored. Maybe it was assumed that the unenforceable stability and growth pact would be enough, or that crises can be handled as they come.

>>71623667
Very good thanks for the answers friendo.

>>71622906
>We let eastern euros join eu because they are our brothers, not because being weak would make them join Russian sphere of influence.
Oh, seems legit.

>>71623801
no worries fellow human

>>71622906
> Germany really wanted to, we could have easily turned you into economical colonies
kek, that happened already. Most of our domestic businessess were bought out and driven into the ground. Then western EU - mostly German - companies took over. Wake up, son, it's not like your country is giving away money out of charity

>>71611076
>thinks he can't stop the schulz train
Hilarious

>be me in early 2000s
>have german family
>go to germany with brother's new audi
>leaves his car inside a locked carage
>no audi in the morning
>its most likely in poland by now t polizei
>polish people are white