How do non-Europeans see us? Do they view Europeans as the bringers

>>71581638
The United States was never colonized or controlled by Europe.

That would be the antithesis of our country and borders.

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>>71581892
hmm...

>>71582075
United States =/= North America
Although it may as well, there is still a slight difference

>>71583046
m8 this is some strange logic you're using

>>71581638
I hate binary choices
life is not black and white

>>71581638
I wouldn't say bringer of civilization . We already had a civilization which they then destroyed. I'd say bringers of advanced technology and oppressors

>>71581638
We see europeans as our former rivals that surpassed us with the use of jewish black magic (technology)

>>71583124
>it's a Mexican pretending his Spanish side doesn't exist posting with a US flag episode

>>71581638

we dont have an opinion on Europeans, outside of Spain/Portugal/France/England/Netherlands, the rest of Europe didnt do much colonizing. Poland was probably the closest thing to a colony Germany had, apart from those territories in Africa and Oceania.

We have opinions on different European countries, but not on Europeans, we dont see them as a block, apart from Germany+Austria, Ireland+England which are often seen as almost the same thing.

We have been independent for so long, that no one blames Europeans for anything. The modern version of blaming foreigners for our problems would be blaming the IMF or Vulture Funds.

>>71581638
>tfw even the shittiest African countries are better off

I think you are all fags

>>71583182
I don't pretend to not be part spanish. I descend from both the oppressed and the oppressors

>>71583596
how can you oppress yourself?

>>71583738
>British reading comprehension

>>71581638
People here hate the US more than Europeans

>>71583763
What you're saying makes no sense, you're taking two empires going to war and one winning creating a genetic singularity and turning it into some bizzare identity politics conundrum. You're also framing your own existence as some form of oppression. You wouldn't exist if the Spanish didn't conquer Latin America. There wouldn't be a different you that is 100% native living in Tenochtitlan right now, you just wouldn't exist.

>>71583974
Why are you trying to reason with a wall jumper?

>>71583974
Mexicans are tards with victim complexes, more news at 11

>tfw Last saturday some dutch tourist girl let me bust a nut in her mouth
>No local squeamish bitch had ever let me do this despite being uglier on average

European women really are superior in every aspect

>>71581892
Are you stupid? What do you think was the reason for the Revolutionary War? Why do you think the Declaration of Independence was for?
>American education

>>71581892
KEK, get a load of this idiot.

>>71582075
great map, idiot. the Original Thirteen Colonies purple territory doesn't even show you which colonies those were and instead labels the irrelevant maroon statelets in the east

>>71581638
Germans are considered cucks. While people with irish, italian, spanish, etc heritage are proud of their past, people descended from germans are embarrased of their german heritage. german is responsible for all the bad in this world and now they are handing their country to refugees

>>71583974
Iiterally never said anything of this you inbred bong . I was simply saying I am both spanish and native .

the best european is dead european

pretty non relavent desu

we dont care about europeans in terms of heritage, save for spain (and to a greater extent germany)

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Reminder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rh6gDEO4JA

>>71581638
>Liberia
Well, Liberia was founded by an American colonization society. Not European, but you can't say that it wasn't a Western-founded or colonized country.

Europeans are liked more than Americans, but Australian culture is built off a general disregard for anyone outside of Australia

>>71583046
No modern nation is the same as the pre colonial era.

>>71581638
If you extend the definition of control to "occupation", then I think you can could color the rest of those non-European countries green too.

>>71581892
This is either great bait or you're a complete moron.

>>71581638
Honestly, europeans (not counting spanish, italians and portugal) are seen as autistic and dumb. Spanish are plain stupid, italians are thieves and portugal does not exist.

>>71581638
None
We see Europe like a very nice place, nothing else.

>>71581638
Entitled pricks.

>>71583380
Netherlands? Why?

>>71597441
because the netherlands were a colonial power

>>71597507
Sorry, I forgot how to read.

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>>71581638
>Do they view Europeans as the bringers of civilization
Not me.

>Tenochtitlan was founded on an islet in the western part of the lake in the year 1325. Around it, the Aztecs created a large artificial island using a system similar to the creation of chinampas. To overcome the problems of drinking water, the Aztecs built a system of dams to separate the salty waters of the lake from the rain water of the effluents. It also permitted them to control the level of the lake. The city also had an inner system of channels that helped to control the water.

>During Cortés' siege of Tenochtitlan in 1521, the dams were destroyed, and never rebuilt, so flooding became a big problem for the new Mexico City built over Tenochtitlan.

>Mexico City suffered from periodic floods; in 1604 the lake flooded the city, with an even more severe flood following in 1607. Under the direction of Enrico Martínez, a drain was built to control the level of the lake, but in 1629 another flood kept most of the city covered for five years. At that time, it was debated whether to relocate the city, but the Spanish authorities decided to keep the current location.

>Eventually the lake was drained by the channels and a tunnel to the Pánuco River, but even that could not stop floods, since by then most of the city was under the water table. The flooding could not be completely controlled until 1967, with the construction of a Deep Drainage System.

>The ecological consequences of the draining were enormous. Parts of the valleys were turned semi-arid, and even today Mexico City suffers for lack of water. Due to overdrafting that is depleting the aquifer beneath the city, Mexico City is estimated to have dropped 10 meters in the last century. Furthermore, because soft lake sediments underlie most of Mexico City, the city has proven vulnerable to soil liquefaction during earthquakes, most notably in the 1985 earthquake when hundreds of buildings collapsed and thousands of lives were lost.

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>>71597941
>”These people had no letters nor script, neither knew to write nor read. They communicated with images and paintings and all their history and books were recorded in figures and images, with which they knew about their ancestors and had memory of what they did and what they left recorded for more than a thousand years before the Spanish arrived to this land.”

>”Most of these books and recordings were burnt as other idolatries”, but many of them are still hidden. ”After we came to this land to preach our fate we gathered many young men in our homes and taught them to write, read and sing. As they did well we ensured to teach them grammar and a school in Santiago de Tlatelolco was built for this purpose. This school received the most able young men from all the neighboring towns. ”

>”The Spanish and clergymen who knew about this laughed and mocked, being sure that no one could teach grammar to people so unskillful, but working with them for two or three years they came to understand every art and subject of grammar and speak Latin, both written and spoken and even to write heroic verses. ”

>”As the secular and ecclesiastic clergymen saw this they became frightened of such thing being possible: I was the one who worked with them for the first four years and taught them about Latin and its knowledge. ”
>”As they saw that this project would continue and that they were improving, and they had ability for more, the clerics started to disapprove the school and object about the risks of idolatry this implied. ”
- Florentine Codex by Friar Bernardino de Sahagun, Tenth Book, Inform of the author

The College of Tlatelolco closed 5 years after Sahagun's death.

>>71597941
So Mexico City was founded on the remains of Tenochtitlan + the nearby lake?

Why didn't the stupid spanish invaders just rebuild the dams they destroyed (or better yet, not destroy them in the first place, but I doubt they had enough forethought to do that) in Tenochtitlan and continue using the city

>>71598123
That means admitting the Aztecs succeeded or did good feats.

>>71581638
Liberia was an U.S colony

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my older relatives fought in independence wars against European control, but they don't hate europe. In fact, they sort of like their societies and wish they weren't so open on immigration, but at the same time they didn't want europe (or anyone else) ruling them

obviously being born in the US, I have an extremely pro-western outlook

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>>71581638
This is me.

Giving a fuck.

>>71599280
No it wasn't at all.
IT was never under U.S control

As the biggest cucks on Earth

>>71600837
What?

>>71581638
Whites came here to steal and kill. The "bringing civilization" was just bullshit, everybody knows that, even you Europeans.

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>>71599946

>>71600898
Depends where. Some places really needed civilization.

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>>71581638
fixed

>>71600898
Jajaja

War mongering genocidal jew enabling failed imperialists that attempted to colonize and lead asia, afrika and the americas.

also dumped their stupid criminals in ustralia

>>71604676
WE WUZ STEPPE NIGGERZ N SHIET

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>>71604772
indeed I forgot about Mongilia

>>71604676
>be blonde blue eye christian man that live in the snow
>I AM TOTALLY NOT WHITE OR EUROPEAN PLS BELIEVE ME
kek

>>71581638
we see euros as harem material. on a par with niggers whose only purpose of existance is to serve their turk masters.

>>71604803
The $ dictates how much the ruble is worth in russia.

that means youre a yurope's bitch, ivan

>>71604722
Huh?

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>>71581892
MURRICA
I seriously feel bad for the proper americans having to live with such idiots

>>71604829
anyway, cultuarally we're not Europeans
and Christian backgroud means nothing since originally Chritianity isnt European at all

>>71581892


the power of american "education"

seriously why do people even go there to get "educated" by these retards?

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>>71581638
>japan
>never colonized by Europe

>>71604676
True, russia is not a part of Europe proper, nor was it colonized. That's why it's still an uncivilized hellhole populated by subhuman savages.

>>71581638
in tacoland, yes we see you as the bringers of civilization (in our case it was Venancio and Manolo), although many here are starting to wonder what the hell was the genious who thought letting tons of muslims, that have hated western world's guts for over fourten hundred years, into already crowded continent.

>europeans are evil monsters who destroyed everything n shiiiiieet
well, here most people don't care that much if not at all, about that because it happened half a millennia ago, to be fair though, the only ones going around shouting how such monsters you were are, as usual, the ultra hyper leftards studying philosophy or """social""" sciences who, ironically, proceed to pray to jesus christ or enjoy watching football or corrida de toros, things that were brought by spaniards.

>germans
i know it's been said many times and that many krauts are already sick and tried of it, but the Nazi thing is somewhat prevalent here.
As for manolos, well, i think the only thing we come to bitch about is how awful their movie/videogame/anime dubs are (the thing of the gold is just a meme, kind of sucks that they didn't create nothing worthwhile with it....SHEEEEEEIT)

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>>71581638

>>71604901
You would still be weaving baskets and fishing in a dinghy right now if we hadn't forced you to be our economic cololny

>>71604939
it was colonized by plenty, particularly asians and sand people

>>71582075

British and Dutch colonies perhaps, but where are the French and Spanish colonies?

>>71604967
*who was the genious

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>>71581892
>The United States was never colonized or controlled by Europe.

>t. Niggas

>>71604831
try to make me your servant, cockroach

>>71604829
>blonde
is pretty rare here. a lot of light brown haired people though

kike servants and cucks

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>>71604973

>>71604831
dude your own military doesnt even want to serve you

>>71604854
>$
>e*rope
by that logic we're american bitch, not e*rope's

>>71584956
>tfw if germans don't have anyone to genocide they will genocide themselves

well, destroying the european continent for fourth time in a row gets you a lot of enemies

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>>71581638
fix'd

>>71581892
>The United States was never colonized or controlled by Europe.

WUT?
...
...american education at its finest

>>71604973
It's technically part of the EU btw.

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>>71604803
>>71581638

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>>71605094
>american


no such thing


unless were talking about pic related

>>71584956
>people descended from germans are embarrased of their german heritage
bullshit

>>71597941

Surely if the lake was still there it would be Malaria city.

>>71605138
>>71582075
>>71584382
>>71584567
>>71597136
>>71604862
>>71604894
>>71605051
You're all mentally retarded. The United States didn't exist when Europe was colonizing North America.

The result of the European colonization of North America is the United States of America.

Take your brain dead shit to reddit.

>>71581638
japan has been under american control though

>>71605213
>He thinks the United States "exists"

thats like still denying the soviet union didnt collapse

>>71604973
if you're born there, you're unironically born a european.

>>71604901
You're a US satellite idiot.

>>71605239
but the soviet union did collapse

>>71605213
t. historylet

>>71581638
>us
alright mehmet

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>>71581892

>>71605239
Take your meds.
>>71605270
Say anything at all and I'll btfo you you clown.

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>>71605267
wow you really think so?


I think it only immigrated to north america

>>71605213
Most of the African ex-colonies changed their name and adopted a new constitution as well, that doesn't erase their history as a colony

>see an australian flag post

>not even bother to read it because I immediately know it a worthless shit post.

>>71581892

and so the world was trolled by america once again

>>71605270
>>71605239
But he's right. There never was an American identity in the thirteen colonies, only a bunch of angry people who hated taxes without representation. The first twenty years of United States held no real culture until the articles of confederation was established. Before that important document, America was a confederacy of states and each person related themselves to the state and never the country.

>>71583155

10/10 highly entertaining perspective

>>71605373
>the mindset of my people changed so now my country was never colonised

>>71605319
False equivalence. In the case of Africa the colonized were colonized. In the case of the US you're trying to say that the colonizers were the colonized.

>>71605373
but anonymoose

the colonists brought their cultures with them


it's why hamburgers n pizzas are popular and not kebab and curry there

>>71605054
i will make your mom my 4th wife instead

>>71605420
So you're saying that the country wasn't colonised because most of its current population is still made up of its old colonisers?
When this population drops below the 50% mark in a year or two, is it then an ex-colony?

And where do you draw the line? South Africa still has about 9 percent whites which control a very large proportion of the country's wealth, does that make South Africa not an ex-colony?

>>71604967
>the only ones going around shouting how such monsters you were are, as usual, the ultra hyper leftards
As usual you guys don't even read what you write. I'm ultra rightard for the Mesoamericans.

>>71605211
>Danish reading comprehension
>Eventually the lake was drained by the channels and a tunnel to the Pánuco River, but even that could not stop floods, since by then most of the city was under the water table. The flooding could not be completely controlled until 1967

>>71581638
Europeans are uncivilised barbaric racist shit lords

>>71605544
>t. abo

>>71605544
t. Zhang Qiang

>>71592064

I gotta say, Spanish sounds really nice on Africans. Your ancestors should've outfitted the whole place.

>>71605544


>so stupid he/she doesnt even realize it's being racist him/herself right now

I hate stupid "people"

get over it, racism is entirely natural human behavior and it wont change no matter how much marxist brainwashing you run the masses through

>>71605408
Nation : a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. How could we be colonized if we didn't exist at the time
>>71605438
About 80% of American culture you see today was introduced after the country became independent. When the country first became independent, you couldn't tell an American apart from a brit

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>>71605067
t. lives in asian russia

google "russian girls" and majority will be light haired.

you're even lighter than west europeans, btw for how long were you ruled by the house of rurik?

>>71597379
>canadians
>oblivious to the word self-entitled

how dare you rape your queen's english this way

>>71605521
SA is an ex-colony because the colonized population has taken political power. While America has been completely settled and the natives are on the verge of extinction. The ex-colony that consists of former African slaves in the US present a challenge to my view though, I'll grant that.

>>71605646
>light haired
this is exactly what i said. google light brown hair. pure blonde hair is very uncommon here

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>>71605646
>>71605723
even your picture says it

>>71605645
>united by common descent, history, culture
In that case the United States wouldn't be a nation even today.

Nation is also very often meant to refer to the territory itself, the definition you proposed is by no means the only one. Making the discussion about semantics really isn't going to make your point any stronger.

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>>71605750
the United States is about as much of a Nation as the soviet union was.

see this star? This star represents tyrannic rule

and that is the only bond that keep shit together


any flag that has this star in it isnt really a nation, and never will be

>>71605748
>>71605723
and what is your point? light brown hair is a european trait. according to the map western russia is still much lighter than france, ireland, spain and italy. does that mean they are not european?

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>>71605848
#truth

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>>71581638
*civilisation

>>71605892
>light brown hair is a european trait.
'european traits' are culture, shared history etc. not some hair or eyes colour. spaniards and italians are 100% eropean because their culture is european even though they look like arabs. even if all of russian population will have light hair it doesn't make us a european country.

also i know that you're a russian immigrant, but i don't know why you want so desperately to make yourself appear european. we are not european, we are not a part of europe and will always be enemies.
keep sucking that euroscum cock if you wish though.

>>71605750
>>71605848
The United states is and never will be a true nation like countries in the old world. If I were to visit Poland I would expect a strong sense of tradition and embedded values. The United States doesn't have a traditional culture like a moderately ethnically isolated country such as Poland. We adapt and take on new values from immigrants that come here.

>>71605211
What a cheap argument, it wasn't a Malaria city back when it was flooded, it wouldn't be one now.

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>>71606042
i'm not even gonna bother responding to that. you win the argument, you are not european, now i see. you are asian.

>>71606200
>you are asian
not really
but def. not european

>>71581638
Why do German posters keep clinging to some weird pan-European sentiment and pretend they colonized anything?

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>>71605231
japan only lost to the allies, not america
ameirca wasn't even japan's primary target, not to mention the fact that japan is the very one who kicked europoors from asia

People here have a "romantic" view of Europe, but in reality most people would rather stay here or go to Canada / the USA. New world > Old World.

>>71606398
Yeah you're Ukrainian.

>>71608663
So we dodged a bullet and we didn't even know that.

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>>71581892

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>>71597941
>>71598032
Oh look, it's this shitposter again.

>>71604967
>the ultra hyper leftards studying philosophy or """social""" sciences who, ironically, proceed to pray to jesus christ or enjoy watching football or corrida de toros, things that were brought by spaniards

The irony of how most lefties are Bohemian hipster types that in the USSR would have been gulaged as social parasites.

>>71611128
Soviet communism was in fact built on an extreme cult of science, unfortunately this dehumanized people. It is actually pretty ironic how most Western leftists attack liberalism and capitalism without which they wouldn't have the freedom to smear period blood on a canvas and claim it to be "art".

>>71611286
>Soviet communism was in fact built on an extreme cult of science
source?

>>71604901
That little island at Nagasaki was one of the best colony we had though. It caused extreme Portuguese butthurt

>>71607534

>kill 25,000,000 civvies
>raugh

>>71581892
No
Bad
Get off 4chan, come back in 5 years when you turn 18

>>71583596
Right, like the various tribes that were here didn't kill, conquer, and rape the fuck out of each other before whitey showed up. White people are just another tribe, we do all the same shit other tribes do, we were just most recent. Dividing peoples into oppressed/oppressor is a false dichotomy, and one of the central tenets of cultural marxism

>>71612071
The Amerindians would have crossed the Atlantic and invaded Europe if they'd had the ability to do so. It's basic Darwinism, meaning that organisms which can't out-compete other organisms go extinct.

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>>71605094
Americans are just Europeans whos ancestors moved away. except niggers
pic related, it's me, a white American

>>71612071
Hernando Cortes was assisted by several Mexican tribes that had repeatedly been raided by the Aztecs for human sacrifice fodder. These guys detested the Aztecs and were more than happy to help the Spanish in their overthrown.

>>71612176
fuck yeah they would've. and the mongols would've conquered Europe if they'd been able, and the muslims (they're still trying). i'm sick and tired of being painted as an "evil oppressor" because my people do the same shit as everyone else.

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>How do non-Europeans see us?

I am ambivalent.

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>>71605116