Do you think we should drop all military support and protection

>>71562889
Yes. If you don't fulfill you rend of the bargain, you can't demand that the other side does. Pacta sunt servanda, it's that simple.

NATO is a criminal organization so yeah go ahead.

2% of 10$ is nothing, but 2% of 10billion$ is a lot

>protection

are you some sorta mob?
who are you protecting us from?
we have no enemies of our own

Nato only exist to serve american interests and protect the petro dollar

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>>71562986
Fucking this, it's ridiculous how americans have so little self-awareness.

>>71562986
>who are germans and russians

>>71563046
our friends
you really have to drop the butthurt poland

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>>71563009
OUI MESSIEURS C'EST L'EMPIRE AMERICANO-SIONISTE FONDE SUR LE PETRO-DOLLAR HEIN
CA IL FAUT LE SAVOIR
L'ELITE GLOBALISTE OLIGARCHIQUE
LE COMPLOOOOOOT JUDEO MACONNIQUE
IL FAUT LE SAVOIR

>>71563077
>friends
yeah let's not get into meme territory

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>>71563077
>friends

>americans don't realize those bases are so THEY have a better angle on Russia and the middle east

>>71562889
Yeah, but how would you feel if all of Europe falls under Russian control?
Do you think it would be worth the money you'd save by leaving NATO?

>>71563095
Ca change rien quand ON A MARRE DES ARABES

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Because our defense budget would be same as russia and smaller g̶e̶r̶m̶a̶n̶ ̶c̶l̶a̶y̶ european nations would not allow that.

>>71562889
Don't make us laugh, your "protection" is only a mean to control the world.
The day you'll let go on NATO will just mean that you are not no 1 anymore

>>71563333
What we're certainly do not need more of is the land.
Crimea was necessary because our fleet is located there.

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>>71563545
>Random discussion about NATO in a bar
>Suddenly this Georgian guy rant for 10 mintues about how he hates the turks
You're alright.

Nato is the only shit preventing us from invading the balts

>>71563333
Uh... Maybe if Russia took over Europe will start uncucking itself and hang Merkel and the EU commission for high treason or some other trumped up charge

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This whole "paying up" business is nothing but american extortionism

fuck off yankee

we wont be there when you need us, nor do we need you.

you're a fucking dying empire collapsing just like the USSR did anyways


Also @ dumb polaks allowed themselves to be extorted

what a shithole of fucking cowards and idiots I live in

>>71562942
Go home Ivan if you love Russia so much. We don't want you here anyway

>>71562889
Yes. And of course you should close all your bases in our territory and take back all your subhuman people who live here because of those bases

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>>71562889
Off the top of my head we're currently building or plan to build/buy...

2 QE-class ramp carriers
7 new attack subs - Astute-class
4 new Trident nuclear-deterrent subs - Dreadnought-class
Lots of F-35b Lightning II aircraft
4 new RFA supply tankers - Wave-class
8 new Type 26 frigates
5 I think new Type 31 frigates
589 new various Ajax armoured vehicles (pic related)

We need many more ships though tbqh.

>>71564521
>we wont be there when you need us
Mmmm sweetie tell me how many times article 5 has been invoked and who was the one who invoked it.

>>71563478
>crimea was needed because our fleet is located there
>estonia was needed because our fleet used to be there
>poland was needed because a referendum
>berlin was needed because we once owned that city
>amsterdam was needed because reasons
>paris was needed because fuck you
>spain was needed because why would we stop now

>>71562967
Budget ratios do matter. If you paid your 2% you'd probably have to cut social programs to make up for it (or raise taxes).

Either way, Europe and Canada are due for it. You make fun of our social programs -- let's see you fund them while paying 3.5% like we've been doing the past 2 decades.

>>71563038
>I don't know what a defense pact is

Go back to school

>>71565591
>Wave-class

*Tide-class

We should just pull all our troops out of Europe and let them worry about themselves.

>>71562889
please do, and remove your strategical non-NATO bases from Italy while you're at it, you fucking moron.

>what we do
bringing ISIS to both Iraq and Libya? Mission Accomplished, motherfucker

>>71566019

>blaming us for Libya
A French and Italian campaign using American equipment?

It's all on you friend

>>71562889
Dont worry, ameribro, ourselves and latvians appreciate what you are doing and therefore at the start of 2018 we will reach 2%. You can count on us.

>>71562889
Well, we are cucked by your navy so we don't have to pay shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Station_Rota,_Spain

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>>71566096
>A French and Italian campaign
dear God, none of us had ANY intention to attack Libya, you fucking moron. France got a little trigger happy when Obongo wished to bring democracy down there too, Italy never. No European country EVER IMAGINED to attack Libya. Get your head out of your ass and inform you a little.

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>>71565633
wtf you talking about?

I give no shit about your "articles" you cocksucking yank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEwzfvPrOfQ

>>71565591
>We

>>71566171
>France got a little trigger happy
They literally ran out of bombs to drop on Libya at some point in the war m8, that's trigger happy in only the American lexicon.

>>71562889
Yes you should, we are too coddled.

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>>71568513

>>71562889
Even we fucking pay >2% there's no excuse for the other leaches

We dont really need protection, the other NATO countries are the one who should feel threatened.

>>71565653
Do you know that Russia never invaded anyone in Europe in attempt of conquering? (Poland, Finland and Baltics doesn't count, they were a buffer so mainland Russia can't be invaded immediately from Swedes and Germans, also we need our land way towards Constantinople).
Russia invaded Europe only after the failed attempts of Western countries to attack Russia first (Napoleon, Hitler).

Russia was never a warmonger. You Western hypocrites on the other hand always tried to take our resources, divide our nation and massacre our population. Europeans and especially anglosaxons are really the scummies people on Earth.

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>>71562889
disgusting