>live in a stone age hunter gatherer society >enslaved

>>71269167
>enslaved and shipped to another continent
You mean shipped to another continent and then enslaved?

>destroying the little culture they had
But Africans still have culture, just not African Americans.

>"hurr why cant black people pull themselves up by their bootstraps?"
Seems like a simple enough question to answer.

>been in america since 18th century
>first generation german immigrants order them to "go back to africa"
????

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>>71269167

africans were enslaving each others when the colonialists arrived dumb fucking kraut

>>71269337
This
African Americans have more right to be in USA than most white people

>>71269167
>live in a stone age hunter gatherer society
>enslaved and shipped to another continent

Looks like they are biologically destined to be slaves

>>71269167
You mistyped "Sold into slavery by my people"

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>>71269388
>African Americans have more right to be in USA than most white people
Thats not even close to what he said.

>>71269167
But what about all the modern successful countries that were built without slavery?

Makes you think...

>>71269167
This, if the white man had left the Africans alone, they would have thrived and achieved prosperous, advanced societies. Just look at Liberia and Ethiopia.

>>71269167
someone edit that so the white guy says sure and offers his hand but as hes pulling the guy up some ghetto nigga pulls the black guy down like a crab

>>71269167
The US without blacks would be Australia tier, heaven on earth. They need to go back for the sake of the country.

>>71269167
>live in a stone age hunter gatherer society
>after slavery ends, get access to 1st world infrastructure and schools
>better of than Africans in every way.
>Still fail massively

>>71269742
Well, maybe then you shouldnt have brought them to america, enslaved them and segregated them
ever thought about that?

>>71269833
We didn't, most slave traders were Brits/Portuguese

>>71269272
>You mean shipped to another continent and then enslaved?
They were enslaved in Africa and sold to Europeans as slaves.

>>71269369
This is a fair point. It would be fair to say the south was built on slavery, but everywhere else was built on industrialists and homesteaders, most of whom opposed slavery, even if they didn't want to take blacks into their backyards.

>>71269167
Ask Thomas Sowell

>>71269876
those evil Brits/Portuguese, illegaly dumping blacks in America, and forcing the innocent Americans to treat them like slaves.
Even centuries later, forcing them to segregate blacks

>>71269833
If you have a cellphone and you don't need it anymore because it's no more useful do you keep it or do you trash it?

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>>71269337

This

>>71270002
cellphone is not a person

>>71269980
America didn't exist when 99% of slaves came to the US. Most plantation owners were descendants of minor British nobility.

>>71270003
Sure thing, Europe is actually not total shit unlike Black Africa.

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>>71270003
>pay overdue bill
Why are SOME people so obsessed with not working? And furthermore, taking money from people who do?

SOME people are very vindictive and envious. Really makes you think about why God hasnt blessed them.

>>71270055
cool
Federal Republic of Germany didnt exist when 100% genocides were commited by Nazis
Guess we are innocent after all

>>71270044
Neither are niggers

>>71270098
Sure, no one but Germans believes that you should be collectively guilty

>>71270098
No one said you weren't besides your perpetual guilt

It was 80 years ago it's okay now

There is nothing in historical oppression that is encoded in your DNA. That's why groups of people from (almost) every culture and background here can make a jump to prosperity in a generation or two.

There are only two explanations as to why this group of people in particular have failed to get anywhere for this long a time: a seriously poisonous and detrimental culture, or they're stupid.

>>71270134
>>71270139
>commit crimes
>rename your country
>"sorry guys, that wasnt us, no responsibility"

>>71270098
>Guess we are innocent after all
Yeah, you're fucking right you aren't guilty. Germans are the only ones who think Germans today deserve to be punished for the crimes of their grandfathers. In the West, we don't punish people for the sins of their grandparents. The only people that do that are literally North Koreans.

>>71270178
If you didn't personally commit the crime, you aren't guilty. Stop being a faggot.

>>71270161

also, this is literally New Money: The Country. 85% of millionaires are first gen. The idea of nobility and class are almost nonexistent. There is no excuse.

>>71269369
aut-right needs some drawing lessons

>>71270178
>Many years pass
>No longer related to the people who might have done something wrong
>People died because of war, Bombing of Dresden wasn't exactly civil either

>"PLS WE'RE SO SORRY PLESSE we'll TAKE ALL REFUGEES PLZ"

>>71270178
You're so detached from the crimes against humanity. not only did you not commit the crimes, but you didn't rename the country. You probably weren't even alive for the reunification of your country.

Not only that, but Germany does not benefit in any way from the Holocaust and WW2. The main argument for Americans feeling guilty is that we, in an indirect way, benefit from slavery having happened (a dubious claim in some regards).

>>71269742
Fuck, no it wouldn't. The problem with America isn't niggers, it's Americans. Your people and values, regardless of colour, are cancer. Wall up your boarders already so the rest of the world doesn't have to put up with your shit.

>>71270204
>>71270234
imagine this
>you invest money in another country
>the country suddenly renames itself
>tells you "sorry, but we are a different country now, we dont owe you money"

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african americans are the goat people . fuck the edgy /pol/ faggots

>>71270316
>Your people and values, regardless of colour, are cancer.
Sure thing Zhang, Democracy, Free market, and Secular government are totally cancerous.

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Blacks have the same chances as the white man. The black man lives in a ghetto because he prefers to make money with welfare and crime instead of honest work.

>>71270347
This analogy is totally off-base. It simply doesn't connect.

>>71270347
that's... Not the same thing, at all.

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How is asking someone to find their own way in life 'reverse racism'. It's almost like the author of this cartoon doesn't even know what 'reverse racism' is.

>>71270381
Wtf I love African Americans now

>>71270472
>>71270475
so you are responsible for the debts of your predecessor state, but not its crimes?
Imagine a state steals property of a minority group, then renames itself and says "sorry, not our crimes, we dont have to give back anything"

>>71270296
>Not only that, but Germany does not benefit in any way from the Holocaust and WW2.

Except for getting all their denbts forgiven, their continental enemies lying in ruins along with their colonial empires, Marshall plan, no reparations and security provided by the US so they didn't have to spend on military.

> saves europe ass in WW1
> saves it again in WW2
> brings capitalism in Europe defending it from the communism
> beats Russia in the cold war
> first world power
>"Hurr durr fuk murica it is the cause of every problem without murica we would be better"

Why the fuck so much hate on America and Americans?

>>71270465
Funny you say that, because 100 years ago, people told the same about Finns

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>>71269167
>german flag

>>71270347
that analogy doesnt really work, besides it would be more like

>you invest money in another country
>the country's government changes after a war/rebellion/coup/etc, where the current government has no connection to previous one
>new government refuses to honor agreements of previous government

>>71270347
t; German war reparations.

>>71270527
>Except for getting all their denbts forgiven
not true

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>There are around two hundred countries
>Blacks aren't a privileged group in ANY of them

>>71270632
we payed those back

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People come to Americkkka from literal modern day slavery.

Are imprisoned like Africans.

And still become independently wealth people.

There is no excuse in history for why you're not sucessful.

>>71270522
Yeah, but all the property was destroyed and/or taken back and you had less than you started with as a direct consequence of WW2 and the holocaust. Nonetheless, you funded reparations, as I agree you should have. Now you self-flagellate because, despite the fact that all these crimes were paid back for and more and none of the people involved are alive, you somehow deserve to feel guilty. Your country has given back so much and you personally, you, as an individual, have nothing to do with it in the first place. It's time to move on. You're like a girl who's crying over an abusive relationship ten years later even though the guy's in jail.

>Except for getting all their denbts forgiven
They payed their debts with interest.

>their continental enemies lying in ruins along with their colonial empires
All these countries were rebuilt except for the ones stuck in the iron curtain which are now benefiting from German investment.

>Marshall plan
The US benefited from that greatly.

>no reparations and security provided by the US so they didn't have to spend on military.
This I agree with, fuck this.

>>71270743
No you didn't.

>>71269876
We have no slaves at home – Then why abroad?
Slaves cannot breathe in England; if their lungs
Receive our air, that moment they are free.
They touch our country, and their shackles fall.
That's noble, and bespeaks a nation proud.
And jealous of the blessing. Spread it then,
And let it circulate through every vein.

>>71270609
Try something more like this:
>you invest money in another country
>other country pays back with a big fat sorry note
>the country's government changes after a war/rebellion/coup/etc, where the current government has no connection to previous one
>country's new government continues to self-flagellate and self-damage

>>71269665
>liberia
>an African American colony
Even when they went back to Africa they couldn't make it work. Is there just something about Africa that makes a successful society difficult/impossible?
(inb4 "Africans")

>>71270802
They payed both the WW1 and WW2 war reparations back.

>>71269167
You know, I'd believe everything about systemic racism and stuff, but why on earth are Blacks killing each other so much? Why are they abusing drugs? Why are they shitty parents? Who else can you possibly blame for this but Blacks themselves?

It has nothing to do with poverty, nobody is forcing you to take drugs if you're poor. I think the misery of the blacks in the US is 95% self inflicted, and if they overcame this 95%, whites would help them with the remaining 5% - but as long as they don't, fuck them. And of course let police clamp down on black crime.

>>71270929
No they didn't.

>>71270635
Ok, not the WW1 ones.

>>71269167
>a
massive discrimination and segregation
>>"hurr why cant black people pull themselves up by their bootstraps?"
Who are the Irish, Italians, Jews, Chinese, Japanese, etc.

Everyone else pulled themselves out of the gutter.

>>71270865
because people like OP keep telling them it's not their responsibility to build one, but our job to stop "oppressing" them

Left to their own devices blacks would be eating raw meat under bushes right now.

irish immigrants were hated when they first started coming over

they weren't even considered white, but they're doing fine now

>>71270973
yes we did

>>71270798
Its not about guilt, its about responsibility and learning from past mistakes.
Nazis Germany will always a part of our history, and we should never forget how easily a populist can come to power and lead a country into a total war

>>71270798
>They payed their debts with interest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Agreement_on_German_External_Debts

>All these countries were rebuilt except for the ones stuck in the iron curtain which are now benefiting from German investment.
Where is Britain's colonial empire? France's? Those countries used to be far more influential pre-WW2. The countries in question got rebuilt. Their influence? Not really. Also, Germans are directly responsible for allowing Russians to steamroll through Eastern Europe unopposed and now they are making profit from those lands after they bought everything worth salvaging after communism fell

>Marshall plan
>US benefited
And germs

Sure, Germans being falgellating cucks is annoying because now they took it into the other extreme and we in EE would be grateful if Germs concentrated on paying those who they actually hurt instead of niggers and ackbars from ME whom they have nothing to do with.

>>71271260
You aren't responsible. That's just a positive form of guilt.

But otherwise, sounds good. Learn from your past mistakes and try not to make any current mistakes as you whiplash the other direction.

>>71270946
>but why on earth are Blacks killing each other so much? Why are they abusing drugs? Why are they shitty parents?
because they have no culture.
They went from stone age people to slaves to opressed minorities
Culture takes generations to develop. And I think America should help their black population to develop a productive culture.

>>71271086
They weren't segregated and denied voting rights though

>>71271400
>They weren't segregated
Highly debatable.

>>71271349
>I think America should help their black population to develop a productive culture.
I do and don't agree with this. Blacks had more of a culture in the 70's than they do now. A lot of that has to do with the dissolution of the black family unity and another lot has to do with the war on drugs imprisoning so many of them. But I digress, they don't want our help with that. We did that by using Christianity. That worked for a while, but the family needs to uphold it.

>>71271349
>should help their black population to develop a productive culture

That's what was happening before democrats fucked it all up with gibs

>>71269167
>live in a stone age hunter gatherer society
except ~90% of african slaves brought to the new world were the slaves or prisoners of the kingdoms of west africa, not exactly stone age
>>71271086
to be fair, irish discrimination had a much shorter span, especially outside of the british isles
in 30 or so years they went from not being accepted basically anywhere to becoming a large portion of american politics (see: Tammany Hall) and extremely abundant in the public sector (cops, firefighters etc)
it took like 200 years and a civil war before africans were treated as not slaves in the US

>>71271421
You can call de facto segregation the same as the blacks up north then too. The difference though was the Irish patronized each other in the police force to get around the lack of work while blacks were prevented from everything that didn't treat them as expendable property

>>71271448
>A lot of that has to do with the dissolution of the black family unity
Why did that happen?

>>71269167
>>live in a stone age hunter gatherer society
Nobody should have responded to this post after reading this because it's an obvious give away this is bait. Africans were chosen as slaves because they had enough civilization to be farmers, they didn't need to be taught that much.

>>71271618
Wait are you telling me the reason they didn't take whatever natives that survived smallpox as slaves was because they couldn't farm?

>>71271579
Personally, the strongest argument I've heard was this
>>71271470
But I think the alternate argument is that the war on drugs did it. I'm not sure either argument sums it up in totality. There was definitely a strong correlation between gibs and single motherhood because fatherhood was de-necessitated. But there also used to be more Christian conservative black culture in general that people like Bill Cosby were really vocal about wanting to protect. Young people from good backgrounds too, it would seem, were taken in by the buglight that is drug crime culture. But I'm not an expert. People give a lot of different reasons.

>>71271349
>because they have no culture.

Trivially so. Everything is culture. Only blacks themselves can fix their own culture - the cultured blacks will thrive/survive, the uncultured blacks will waste away. Natural selection always fixes everything.

However, if you subsidize the uncultured blacks with welfare, you take away the pressure to adapt, and without it nothing will ever get solved.

>>71269167
Oh yes, please tell me how a white northerner who grew up in poverty such as myself has benefited from this racism.

Please do go on.

>>71271579
Cultural changes that removed some of the stigma against having children out of wedlock. Used to be parents would be more strict and make people marry and no matter how shitty the relationship was they'd not divorce. Of course, not universally true just more of a general trend. Today, 66% of black households are single parent compared to 25% of white ones. Asian households are only 16% single parent, Latino are 42%.

>>71271694
There weren't enough natives left, and the natives knew how to survive in the local geography so it was easier for them to run away and live off the land. Africans knew how to farm, had a large population, and didn't know how to live off the land in the Americas so they were less likely to run away.

>>71271349
>Culture takes generations to develop.

also, this is untrue, you can copy it within a few years

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>OP is clearly bating
>people actually respond to it because they want to believe he's being serious because they want to believe people who disagree with them actually think like this

>>71270743
No you didn't

>>71270395
>Democracy and Secular Government are American concepts
Howling

>>71269167
>>"hurr why cant black people pull themselves up by their bootstraps?"
Because the median IQ of black Americans is ~82, which is borderline retarded.

>>71273001
No, but they are American values, much like how Brits value muh empire

>>71273001
Also the US was the first country in history to have no state religion

>>71274014
>one country under God
Hmmmm

>>71273458
A lot of jobs don't require median IQ so world built.

>>71274530
>A lot of jobs don't require median IQ
Yeah, just the decent ones.

>>71269665
The only reason Ethiopia wasn't colonised because it was already part of Christendom. They couldn't use the religious excuse.

>be japanese
>come to the land of Brazil with a completely different culture, language, and everything else from japan
>manage to git gud real quick
hmmmmmmmmm thinks

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>>71269167
meh

>>71269167
>live in a stone age hunter gatherer society
Their fault, not ours. They could have maintained their empires like they did centuries before but chose not to help those who were poor.
>enslaved and shipped to another continent
Many were part of the Arab slave trade as well. In fact, many came from Barbados and were sold by rival tribes as prizes from clans.
>in slavery for generations, destroying the little culture they had
Culture is organismic and constantly changes. Without modern black culture everything from rock & roll to modern educational standards wouldn't exist. It wasn't their fault that they decided to lose their shitty poop stick culture
>after slavery ends, massive discrimination and segregation
For the most part, it wasn't de jure with the exception of the Jim Crow South (which was legally overturned in the early 1960s with Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka). Whites and blacks alike fought very hard on the issue to end discrimination. It still persists, but the mutual cooperation was responsible for an emerging society that is much more inclusive than it was 50 years ago.

Why are white Americans so racist to their countrymen? Why are Germans pussified silhouettes in the shadow of once the mightiest empires in the world? Who cracks down on anyone who doesn't explicitly acknowledge the genocide against my culture and many others?

Do some research before you sperg out OP.

>>71274205
That actually got added later during the Cold War to emphasise the godlessness of the Soviets.

>>71275553
Isn't it in the Declaration of Independence

>>71275939
Composed in 1880's, adopted in the 1940's, and they added "under God" in the 1950's

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>>71269371
>>71269520
This.
I'm really getting sick of the common mythical notion that evil white people (actual race/heritage doesn't matter, just anyone with white skin, because as a society we're above seeing people as colors, unless it's white) went into Africa with a big bag, scooped up a bunch of hard-working, honorable, good African people, stole them from their families, thriving properties, and communities, then dragged them kicking and screaming to America where they were put into cruel and unusual slave labour, treated worse than dogs compared to their prosperous life in Africa.

It was more like: Rich Europeans and early Americans were some of the wealthiest people/industries in the world (pre-black-slavery, when slaves of all races existed and black people were rare in Europe), so they didn't know what to spend their fortunes on, and traveled around the world seeing what they could buy or capitalize on. When they got to Africa, African slave masters who had already been rounding up and accumulating their own people as slaves, proposed the idea to these rich white people to buy African humans, and use them as slaves, and that they make better slaves than other people and demand less pay/benefits in return. In Africa, it was totally legal to do this, and after checking everything out, the white people said "Sure, why not. If they're already slaves here and have nothing else we might as well put them to work in America and at least give them slightly better living conditions."

And now we have a "no-end-goal" movement on our hands, one among several other modern ongoing social conflicts, where the only answer to "What will finally make things even, or be considered an adequate punishment for the crimes that unrelated people in the past committed?" is "More", and the only answer to "When will the reparations finally be enough?" is "Never."

>>71269687
And then this too.
Like feminists, they are fighting just to keep the fight going and remain victims.

>>71277021
Also, everyone engaged in slavery.
It was white people who fought to end it.

>>71270701
>what is zimbabwe, ill take potent potables for $400 alex

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the white hive-mind owes black people money