What's up with these two nations? You'd think that

As I understand it, Argentina had (has?) An aristocracy that kind of ruined things. They were rich in the 19th century. Take this with a hefty grain of salt though because I'm not certain

Brazil is just a mess, and always has been

Corruption

>>71265596
>Wasn't Argentina wealthy once?
no, that's a meme.

and we're not industrialized, we rely on agriculture, that's it basically.
everything else is pretty much first world, so with a little help of our neoliberal government we'll end up being pretty powerful heheheh

>>71265737
It literally isn't though. Before the great depression you were one of the richest countries in the world

argentina was entirely fucked by peron,his cronies and everything based on its doctrine

>inb4 butthurt peroncho replies

face it shitters

>>71265796
>It literally isn't though
it isn't what?

>Before the great depression you were one of the richest countries in the world
no, GDP per capita means nothing when theres a shitload of inequality, look at the arab countries.

socialism helped a lot with bringing equality and whatnot, but now that our quality of life and such are pretty much top notch, we need to get industrialized, otherwise our economy will always be eastern europe tier.
so long as they don't touch the universal healthcare and high quality free universities, we'll be great.

>>71265859
How can you not be industrialized yet if you have free education?

> tfw your country used to be great until the oligarchy, the army and peronism-after-Peron fucked up everything

>>71265970
socialism, every company was discouraged to come here since we kept fucking them up in every sense possible, even to the point of stealing the whole company from their owners (YPF).

now that we have a neoliberal government after like 100 years of socialism, we should start to become industrialized.

>>71265859
It isn't a meme is what I meant

>shitload of inequality
The wealth was still there. The inequality could be one reason for what OP is talking about, right? Keep in mind I'm talking about shit that happened a century ago

>>71265596
>brazil
corrupt left wing polticians
>argentina
corrupt right wing politicians

>>71265970
>>71266100
also, because of this, "brain drainage" was always a huge problem for us, our educated people end up leaving for europe, or they go back to their shitholes like Congolombia or the rest of south america (they can come study for free)

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>>71265674

>>71266166
That's what I feared. We have that issue too, though not to the same extent.

Can't you just forced them to say by giving them incentives?

>>71266100
>neoliberal governmen
>we should start to become industrialized.

No . sorry.

I can't imagine that stint with fascism helped

>>71266120
the wealth was owned by 1% of the population, and they ended up investing abroad as soon as our first socialist party came to power (1916).
if you read my other posts you'll see how things are.

>>71266219
I don't know to be honest, but nowadays it's not happening that much, a lot of them came back in the past 10 years, so we'll see how this ends.

>>71266248
sorry, I don't talk to jungle monkeys.

>>71266321
it was 6 years and it happened like 40 years ago.
it'd be a retarded excuse, and it's not like we wanted that 2bh, USA's fault.

>>71266421
>sorry, I don't talk to jungle monkeys.
hey?

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>>71266497

>>71266148
>left wing politicians

>>71267252
wasn't there a borderline commie before your current president that fucked shit up and was corrupt

>>71267305
You're talking about PT. PT nowadays is borderline right-wing, since it's been flirting with right-winged ideas for some time now.

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>>71266421
>sorry, I don't talk to jungle monkeys.

>>71267387
now i remember, i was thinking of lula
but yeah, from what i know he was in a party called "workers' party," kinda odd for them to be turning to the right

>Wasn't Argentina wealthy once?

yes but they are stupid niggers, even Peruvians are smarter and know how to manage a country much better than them.

>>71265829
What were his doctrines and why did they fail?

>>71265596
Why is russia not first world? And china? Memexico is big too why they are not first world?


also fuck off

>>71267782
They are currently centerist like all parties in that country it's weird there is a real left party that no one likes called PSOL they are the meme socialists and the greens I think are not as left as our irrelevent green party

>>71268003
Chill bud I think Brazil and you both will improve in the next decade due to trump fucking with mexico and China and those countries turning to Mercosul(r)

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>>71265596
Argentina was supposed to be Canada or Australia tier by now. They could be shitposting right here right now on a higher level without being called niggers every time.

Argentina got fucked over by the British after WWII who decided to stop imports from Argentina so the whole agriculture broke together

Then the Americans installed a little nice military junta but not one of the smart kind

Then they got fucked over again by the British when they wanted to retake the Malvinas

Then in the early 2000s the desperate masses wanted socialism and Americans again fucked over Argentina cutting them off from the international money market

Argentina quite literally never did anything wrong.

Memes aside, Argentina and Russia are the proof that being a majority white country does not guarantee development if you are not a closeally with the hegemonic western powers.

>>71268130
Mercosur is fucking shit this country is already doomed just look at our neighbors they come here like cockroaches they are like a worse version of mexico

>>71268174
We were good boys we dindu nuffin

>>71268174
>Then they got fucked over again by the British when they wanted to retake the Malvinas
>Argentina quite literally never did anything wrong.
hmm

>>71267954 he's a kid, peron made this country great.

>>71268327
he is right you know

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reminder that we're only doing badly economically, and that's because of socialism.
and even then, our people are pretty much the wealthiest in latin america.

everyone else talks shit about us because since we have a european population we're pretty fucking racist, and niggers chimp out when you call them subhumans, like the Congolombians.

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>>71268245
>neighbors they come here like cockroaches

>>71268344
Like what?

>>71268130
Mercosul failed though
Asians will prefer Alianza del Pacifico, much safer to invest in Peru or Chile.

>>71268174
First, we made a deal with U.K. and colonies, Roca-Runciman, in 1933. We would continue selling beef, but cheaper, and most packaging would be done abroad.

6 successful coups in the 20th century, all of them changing policies and then changing them again, making us a risk for investors.
When the last dictatorship opened up for foreign investment, the people who invested did it short term, just to get a quick safe buck.

The masses have wanted socialism since the 60s.
Nestor Kirchner (2003-2007) took a populist stance against the USA.

Investing in our country is risky, we are known as a dangerous investment because some guy will come along, take over the government and kick investors out, or change policy so that it makes it harder on investors.

>>71268415
no you, you are too stupid to learn spanish i'm talking about the three stooges paraguay,peru and bolivia

>tfw you think Argentina is a beautiful country with great people that you would love to visit but you'd get lynched the moment you stepped off the plane for being a Brit

>>71268402
Cono Sur Stronk

>>71268327
The military led usa junta was responsible for the failed maneuver, not the Argentine people.

Also
>build railroads
>prop up nations by agriculture production
>abandon railroads and then get everything from usa
>try to map out channels in patagonia
>get rekt by Chile

South America is really the last attempt of the British Empire and it failed utterly so as a kind of revenge you decided to throw Argentina under the bus.

>>71268402
>reminder that we're only doing badly economically, and that's because of socialism.

Argentina is the biggest failure of a country ever. Never in history a country squandered so much opportunities to become rich and developed. You failed every time and you will continue failing, deal with it, Hungertindian.

>>71268474
> Asians will prefer Alianza del Pacifico, much safer to invest in Peru or Chile.
any country is safer to invest than Hungertina. Maybe not Venezuela.

>>71268484
Be specific next time so non-sudacas understand.
> you are too stupid to learn spanish
Our language is a harder version of spanish.

>>71268488
not really, that's fucking retarded.
nobody will target you for being british, maybe some old fuckers will yell at you and that's it.

now if you mention Malvinas and you call them by the wrong name then yes, but in that case you kinda had it comming

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>>71268494

When these countries unite they will BTFO Brazil

>>71268488
If you come here and be nice nothing will happend
But if you want to start bullshit like the cucks of topgear then later don't cry

The warnings were already submitted.-

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>>71268584
>mapuches and italians
>btfo anyone

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>>71268522
>nigger chimping out.
thanks for literally proving my poing, Congolombian.

>>71268584
eu quero tchu eu quero tcha eu quero tchu tchu tcha thcha eu quero tchu eu quero tcha eu quero tchu tchu tcha thcha eu quero tchu eu quero tcha eu quero tchu tchu tcha thcha eu quero tchu eu quero tcha eu quero tchu tchu tcha thcha eu quero tchu eu quero tcha eu quero tchu tchu tcha thcha eu quero tchu eu quero tcha eu quero tchu tchu tcha thcha

>>71268583
Not true they reference it all the time and joke about it

>>71268576
>Our language is a retarded version of spanish


Fix*it

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>>71268614
y..yeah... he he...

>>71265596
>What's up with these two nations?
They're both pretty bad at football.

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>>71268500
sorry diego that just isn't true. perhaps argentina should have given more careful consideration to their position between/towards our countries during the war years.
junta may have led them into the war but let's not pretend they had the support of the entire argie people in their endevour. why do you think the eternal argie gets so butthurt about it to this day?

>>71268584
In that picture you also see why the British still are in the Malvinas. They want that sweet shallow oil

>>71268576
> Our language is a harder version of spanish.

why so many Brazilians repeat this shit? You don't speak Spanish.

I studied Portuguese and find Spanish more complex and smooth.

>>71265596
They have no people
there are only 400 millions in the whole of South America
USA alone has 350 millions

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>>71268648
:^)

>>71268614
italians do suck at war but friendly reminder that the mapuches are still annoying us, not incas nor spaniards cold against them

>>71268610
¿por que carajo hablan tan mal en inglés?
no entiendo, en serio
¿no les enseñan más inglés en la escuela?

>>71268402
Oh boy here we go again

Argentina's data is all FAKE

>http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2012/12/17/actualidad/1355769445_585826.html

>http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2015/06/24/actualidad/1435099251_541614.html

>http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201609/164862-pobreza-indec-cifras-estadisticas.html

>https://panampost.com/raquel-garcia/2016/12/06/argentina-excluded-from-global-education-ranking-chile-leads-latam/

>http://www.elespectador.com/noticias/economia/argentina-revisa-cifras-falsas-de-inflacion-articulo-475135

>http://www.elpais.com.uy/economia-y-mercado/argentina-menos-rica-que-dijo.html

>http://www.cronista.com/financialtimes/Sin-el-maquillaje-K-los-argentinos-hoy-son-mas-pobres-que-en-1998-20160531-0020.html

>http://www.luismajul.com/index.php/todos-los-articulos/702-pobreza-corrupcion-y-mentira-las-tres-caras-de-la-falsa-moneda-k

>http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/02/01/actualidad/1359754403_282383.html

>http://www.latercera.com/noticia/argentina-sincera-indice-de-pobreza-y-deja-atras-cifras-amanadas-de-era-kirchner/

>>71268488
two years ago i saw in san martin two fags talking in english and holding hands

so you are safe

>>71268715
pega ela ai pega ela ai pra que? pra passar batom

>>71266120
Wealth does not mean much for a country when huge percentage of it is in hands of few and it is not used, unless that 1%/dictator/etc. happens to be a good leader(s).
Worst case scenario is like North Korea where there is wealth but it literally is in hands of few that spend it in what ever frivolous shit they ever want, while people resort in eating grass or rats at worst.
Look at Libya, literal non-country in before 1960s(?) that then did a great leap when Gaddafi and his arab socialism came in and wealth was redistributed and overall quality of life got better.
That is not to say socialism is only way to redistribute wealth I am not saying that. Whether its tax cuts/reductions/deductions, welfare, good economic policies etc. is a completely different topic.

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>>71268715
>Spanish more complex

>>71268648 this

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>>71268756
based uruguay

>>71268785
It is

>>71268756
none of those maps are fake, you illiterate nigger.

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>>71268584
gibe boipucci dis is all i wnt

>>71268705
hey retard, this isn't true. the oil is a recent discovery. the reason they will NEVER be argentinas for AT LEAST the next 70-100 years is because they attacked our people.
the islanders hate argentina, and people here lost parents defending the islanders.

it's about the islanders not oil.

>>71268816
>>71268756
I guess it's true, even Argentina hates Argentina.

>>71268755
vos eras uno de estos?
>>71268763

>>71268756
Do you even read? provinciano pelotudo

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>>71268584
why do you want us to btfo cant we all be happy?

>>71268855
kek

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>>71268849
>splash

>>71268583

If I literally made a neutral or even pro Argentine statement about the Falklands and called them as such would I still get beat up?

>>71268610

Jezza did nothing wrong

>>71268855
uruguay is a meme country with no culture we don't want nothing with them

Does anyone else think after the great European-Muslim Race War and the resulting refugee crisis Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil will be the most powerful nations in this world?

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>>71268892
btw malvinas actually belong to uruguay

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>>71268936
our big dicks will change the world

>>71268936
It depends on the result of the Great Australian-Emu War II

>>71268912
probably not.
if you surround yourself with middle class people they won't mind because they'll probably suck your tiny european dick, but I still wouldn't push your luck.

>>71268852
I wonder how the Non-British majority in 2050 is going to feel about the Malvinas. Then it's game over :^)

>>71268936
Why don't you.. I dunno.. Defend your country europeans have not pride?

>>71268992
wow the fucking cheek
we're not cucks like you, remember to vote schultz, goy

>>71268942
Uruguay can't even have his own flag

>>71269047
I'm 100% sure he's an Argentine kike and not German.

>>71265596
Oh boy i love my daily argentina threads

>>71269047
Yeah I'm sure of that. You're gonna defend those islanders just like your girls in Rotherham, eh?

You'd think that after having this same thousands of times people would stop asking. Astonishing.

>>71269187
reminder: west falkland is the most heavily defended zone in south america
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fg5amio4jU
come take it (pro tip: you literally can't)

>>71268936
Uruguay is a country of emigrants more than immigrants. Actually very few people immigrates there. The country is too small.

Argentina will be experiencing its umpteenth crisis. Brazil has too many problems too.

>>71269260
that can't be true, you can't possibly think that a democracy will invade the islands.

if it is true then you're fucking retarded.

>>71269260
That's why I said we wait until 2050, because I doubt Pakis and Indians are going to care about sending military to some islands :^)

>>71268474
>Alianza del Pacifico
Wonder why we aren't considering joining this.

>>71269362

We wouldn't have to if you guys weren't such cunts

>>71269362
i mean, you physically can't, watch the video.
but that's the only way you'll ever get them back, certainly within our lifetimes and maybe beyond that

>>71269423
because tpp

>>71268576
The only thing slightly more complicated about portuguese is the phonotactics desu.

>>71269336
Wait till they're tired of europe, they always come here.

Europoors always come to my country whenever there's soemthing going on in there

>>71269500
Maybe Du-tu-ru-ru~~ will come to the rescue.

>>71265596
Because they are amerindian shitholes next question

>>71269666
TPP is dead without the US

>>71269662
s-sorry sempai i dont get it
>>71269666
evil trips. i dont think you are losing anything anyways

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>>71265596
We were supposed to become first world in 10 years before the recession, probably delayed a bit now. We had problems with dictatorships that fucked us over last century, and cold war was no good.

>>71269800
Duterte. He's been talking a lot about scrapping TPP and joining some pacific trade arrangements instead.

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Go Southern Cone

>>71269865
stop we don't want eurocuks here

>>71269865
Wtf i love Panama now

>>71269865
Your ancestors have better GDP in their small euro countries while you have more natural resources. Sad!

>>71269865
/scn/+/pa/ stronk

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>>71269978
reply to >>71269915

>>71270020
Don't ever reply to me or my son>>71269648
ever again

>>71270062
>my son
my province

>>71270062
*wifes son

>>71270125
that's what brazil will say

>>71270125
Are brits our fathers? does that make argentina even more cucked?

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>>71270159
yes and yes

>>71270159
>>71268892

>be on the retarded leftist spectrum for 100 years
>get bored of it and decide to change
>fall on the retarded right-wing spectrum
Can you guys make something right for once

>>71270257
If you are a 9/10 country you will get cultural enrichment by muslims let me be with my 7/10 country

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>>71270398
But that's how you archive first world status goy, isn't that your dream?

>>71270483
no thank you~ give my points to canada they need to open they borders and legs

>>71270483
wtf are you jewish by any chance?, or just a kike apologist

>>71268630
Segura o tcham Amarra o tcham Segura o tcham, tcham, tcham, tcham, tcham Segura o tcham Amarra o tcham Segura o tcham, tcham tcham tcham tcham

>>71270203
Why is Argentina so poor? over 30% of poverty.

>>71270704
amigo

>>71270792
inmigrants

>>71270654
Are you being antisemite!?

>>71270854
Your country can't be 30% immigrants

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>>71270654
Yes goy Patagonia is future Israel why do you think so many IDF come to Chile on vacations

>>71270904
It is when you live 3 years here yo become automatically argentine

>>71270912
y-your country too?

is not a meme schlomo wants to live here!

>>71270945
so we aren't the only retards with shit tier immigration laws

>>71270945
>According to the National Institute of Statistics and Census of Argentina 1,805,957 of the Argentine resident population were born outside Argentina, representing 4.50% of the total Argentine resident population.

>>71266194

Oh sim, o Império e o Governo Militar foram uma grande maravilha.

É cada retardado que aparece.

>>71270991
And the millions who come to this country and have 5 children?

>>71271005
lixo

>>71271048
That still doesn't make up for 30% of your population you delusional fuck

>>71271085
you don't live here you don't know

>>71271102
Not an argument

>>71270792
>>71270904
nah, about 5% immigrants.
our 30% poor people aren't really poor, the poverty line is $810 USD a month, which is the highest of the latin american countries.

so obviously we're gonna have more "poor" people, but they'd live like kings in shitholes like congolombia, which has a poverty line of $300 USD, not even half ours.

>>71271074

Como sempre em períodos negros da história humana, a verdade e o bom-senso são apedrejados e os tolos são aqueles que tem mais ânimo de se expressar e maior segurança.

Eu é que sou o lixo? Você deveria conhecer melhor a si mesmo.

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

>>71271150
It is you just don't want to take it

>>71271232
cerra el orto mogólico, no entendés nada.

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>>71271192
>tfw muito inteligente pra argumentar com lixo

>>71271257

Não se preocupe, eu faço esse sacrifício por você ;)

>>71271250
y voa abrilo gilo

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>>71269983
>>71269975
>>71269865
>tfw Chile noticed (you)
Feels good man.

>>71271689
You're part of our clay after all

>>71265596
Brazil is 8th biggest economy Argentina is 21
what are you on?
Are you talking about their middle class not being really wealthy?

>>71271154
Income poverty, in the first half of 2010, officially included adults living with a monthly disposable income of around 370 Argentine pesos (US$95) per person, and children for whom monthly expenditures are no more than around 200 pesos (US$51) each; a family of two adults and two children were considered poor in early 2010 if their monthly family expenditures were less than around 1,140 pesos (US$292)

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>>71271937

>>71266421
globoludo detected , how much we need to wait to see Macri do something good?

>>71272048
>literally 7 years old data
>doesn't say the percentage of poverty
>according to that statement, 1 USD = 3,9 Pesos

well done m8, you're an idiot.
it's $810 USD, and it was raised only to show how "transparent" Macri's government is, that 30% is not poor.

>>71272262
Welp show some sources bcs your poverty line is highet than your average wage

>>71272472
I hope your spanish is good

http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201609/164862-pobreza-indec-cifras-estadisticas.html

>Ese mismo grupo familiar requirió de 12.489,37 pesos para poder adquirir la Canasta Básica Total (CBT) -compuesta por alimentos, indumentaria y servicios básicos-, para no caer por debajo de la línea de pobreza, informó el Indec.

that says $12 489 ARS is the poverty line, which is $810 USD

>>71269260
that looks expensive mate the oil there must be really profitable

>>71272262
Oh so its for family of four...I thought its for invididuals

>>71272760
well yes, that's how it works, otherwise you can't account for how many poor children you've got.

Brazil superpower by 2050

No entiendo este hilo

gommies happened

>>71272856


Why do you think so?

We might be vastly rich by then (after all, we are already the 8th economy of the world), but with our current political leadership and cultural situation, we will still be a country with great inequality, with a still deeply religious and fanatic population and low levels of culture and education. We will be a country with money, but only on isolated islands. A rich country, yet still poor in mind and spirit.

People in power now don’t care about education or about reducing extreme poverty and making the State help those that are in the lowest-of-the-low positions. Our current government only talks about “economy” and “economic crises” and “to make the country grow again” (that and to avoid being targeted by the police and the judicial system for their past crimes).

They want ready-made solutions, not the long-term slow but effective strategies. They want to simply cut costs, but always cutting the investments that are made on the people (while at the same time favoring big corporations, like the pardoning of the debts of great telephony companies). They seem to be unable to realize that the surest way to really make the country rich and powerful is to invest on its core, that is, its people; to invest in the next generations, to make them mentally and physically healthy and valuable.

We live in a country who is always willing to flatter military and religious leaders, to flatter great business owners, while at the same time treating professors, students, factory-workers, rural-workers and Indians like low-priority citizens. We live in a country were few families are the owners of the press and construct the public opinion as they please.

I would love to witness a great revolution in Brazil, but presently we are walking backwards.

>>71272651
> $810 USD
>what is purchase parity
>what is inflation (which is like 30% in Argentina).

no wonder why you hop from an economic crisis to another.

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>>71273149
Déjame ayudarte

>>71273363
>congolombia
opinion discarted

>>71273363
and here you have it, the monkey with his retarded economy stats.
fuck off back to the sewers you came from.

i think argentina is fine desu

>>71273541
this monkey is probably googling what purchase parity power is. ok, you have to teach monkeys from time to time. Althought their country's history during the XX century proves that Hungertinians will never learn

>>71273609
if you exclude the absolute niggers, Brazil is fine as well, but try to explain that to these """people""" on this board.

>>71273634
>this monkey is probably googling what purchase parity power is
why would you bring it up if you didn't know what it is? lol

>>71273649
You cant really exclude them, its way easier to not see the 20 bolivians in argentina

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>hurr Argentina is white and not poor, our poverty line is so strict

>>71273749
>el salvador
>77
eh

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>>71273634
>>71273749
>Hungertinians
>muh misery index
>tom hanks laughing.jpg

>>71273842
>Hungentinian """""stats"""""

see:
>>71268756

all of your countries figures are "doubtful" in the best of cases.

>>71268003
Communism

WW2 BTFO China back to the stone age

25 million Russkies got killed in WW2

India's just full of Indians

>>71273749
Unemployment? Really?

>>71267854
>has to say "peruvians" instead of "colombians"
AYYYY

>>71268243
el andaluciANO

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>>71273842
IDH (2014) 0,7205 (98.º) for Congolombia
IDH (2015) 0,83612 13 (40.º) for Aryantina
>b-but we are growing faster

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>>71273899
>be congolombian
>wake up
>get killed

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>>71273997
>Be hungertinian
>go out
>got robbed/mugged/sacatelamochilae'd

>>71271689
your flag looks like the DR

>>71274139
just a bit.

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>>71274131
>be a congolombian nigger
>can't read

>>71274165
Your country's gonna get crushed economically when automation takes off

>>71273959
Peru is the only country than is doing better than US among all medium sized/big LatAm countries

>>71274167
3% difference between both countries, big deal. Hungertina is way more urbanized than Colombia, it's much easier for you to alphabetize all of your population.

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>>71274266
>be congolombian
>can't afford food

>>71274242
we are all gnna get crushed.

roboboats will want to cross the canal tho.

Y-your welcome?

>>71274519
I know right?

>>71274307
GDP of argentina is actually good for LA standars. IT seems the Kishners weren't that bad since they took it after 2000 uh?.

Panama and Uruguay are really impresive.

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>be congolombian
>wake up
>your country doesn't exist anymore

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>>71274651
>>71274800

>>71268154
Lel, South America is shit because Swedish truck manufacturers lobbied for railroads to go to shit.

>Dog bless Scania and Volvo

>>71275183
those railroads went to shit because we don't need them anymore.

>>71275246
Because of superior Swedish trucks? Maybe, but it's still bad.

>>71275508
I mean I've seen some Scania and Volvo sure, but pretty much every truck is either IVECO or Mercedes Benz, so I don't really know what to tell you

>>71275802
Hmm, I was thinking more of Brazil, got it mixed up, sorry. I read an article some time ago about the infrastructure, I think it was in the 60s/70s.

>>71275183
It was actually Americans lobbying for trucks and roads back in the 30s. You need to at least know a little bit of our history to be able to talk about it.
To this day Swede vehicles are nowhere to be seen

>>71266100
>>71265737
>neoliberal government

Confirmed 18 yo., don't listen to this guy

>>71268488
all of that is correct, ill personally stab you at the airport

Once we free ourselves from the shackles of socialism and the constant subversion of the United States we will rise.

Because while people in the cities of Argentina was wealthy, and immigrants from Europe were doing well, deep in the rural areas of northern Argentina there was a big menace that would not explode until the late 20th century.

It was the peasants, dirty and poor, most of them mixed with Amerindians. They were poor and uneducated but nobody noticed them since they lived in the countryside and they were a small minority. But after the lands they had were bought by big companies in order to make space for soybeans and other commodities, they started migrating to the cities. And they brought poverty, crime and ignorance with them. Also, they have much higher birth rates than normal people, so they are not a small minority anymore.

And since the 1990s we are also receiving immigrants from poor neighboring countries, but most of them only go to Buenos Aires anyways, so it's no problem for the rest of the country.

>>71274651
BRAVO PORTUGAL

>>71276273
>Once we free ourselves from the shackles of socialism

You do realize that there was never a socialist State in Brazil, right?

Also, to call a govern that works to implement a more extensive and resourceful Welfare State while maintaining a democratic form of government a “socialist” State is mere propaganda.

Is funny that we see in history again and again that the more the State invested in its own people the more the country develop. Today the great examples of North and Europe are all countries with a very substantial Welfare program, and still: there are those who think that starting to work toward such goals is to try to make the country some kind of North Korea. That is either: a) naivety and ignorance or b) bad-faith and propaganda.

>>71276273
>and the constant subversion of the United States we will rise.

Good luck with that. You people were all making pressure to take down Dilma. Now we are with the worst kind of cowards and weaklings in power, almost bitch-like flattering the great conglomerates and the US.

>>71268756
Ok, so after going though all of these and checking the new data, we still lead the way. Maybe not by a longshot but this is still the most developed country of the western third world.
Feels good to be a big fish in a small pond

>>71276650
Stabletugal.

>>71274519
sometimes I wish we kept a low profile like you guys

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>>71276858
Dilma was absolutely incompetent and the current government has the same agenda, even tho the brainless left act like they are right wing and opposition. It's her fucking vice, for christ's sake.

Brazil has been completely indoctrinated by socialist ideals. It's on our schools, it's on our news, it's on our media. A socialist coup was never put in place, but we are still being subverted.

>>71276858
what is going behind this odebretch thing?

I mean if the US is making a big fuss about that is because they want to take down something or someone.

>>71271005
>>71271192
>comparando o Império com a ditadura militar
Aposto que você é um daqueles que acha que o Poder Moderador era usado sempre como um verdadeiro absolutismo, que a população adorou o fim da monarquia, que ele tinha uma religião oficial, etc.

>>71277059
>Dilma was absolutely incompetent

maybe, but it was your incompetent. Now you have an incompetent put by the US.

btw all those things are "estatal" almost everywhere

>>71277059
>a segurança tem que ser privada

>>71277222
How is the vice president of the largest leftist party was put there by the US?
Everything he has done so far was Dilma's plans, including the high school reform.

And she sure as fuck wasn't "my incompetent". Socialists never have the well being of the people in mind.

>>71277190

A monarquia era apenas um bando de portugas ricos, de senpaiílias antigas, que vinham acumulando poder há várias e várias gerações por puxarem o saco de reis e condes e etc.

A senpaiília real portuguesa era uma das mais medíocres da Terra. Tão covardes que nem mesmo ficaram no país para enfrentar Napoleão. O Império era apenas um reflexo daquilo, um governo de pessoas incompetentes, covardes, bajuladoras, sem-cultura, completamente religiosas, etc. Basicamente a mesma coisa que muitos dos senadores e deputados de hoje (muitos dos quais descendentes de pessoas do tempo do império).

A democracia é um sistema que avança aos poucos, afinal de contas precisa equilibrar as lutas de interesses de vária frentes. Porém um regime absolutista, embora possa alcançar resultados mais rapidamente, só o fará se a pessoa no poder for realmente extraordinária, e aqui no Brasil não isso era raro como nunca aconteceu. Num regime absolutista se você tiver líderes incompetentes você vai perder vários e vários anos, gerações e gerações.

>>71277424
>Socialists never have the well being of the people in mind.

Lula was the best president Brazil ever had. And even far-right news needed to face this:

http://www.revistaforum.com.br/2015/02/09/pela-3a-vez-datafolha-aponta-lula-como-o-melhor-presidente-da-historia-brasil/

>>71265596

Argentine natural resources are a meme
Argentines and foreigners overrate them. Argentines like the tale of "we have everything in this rich land, but xxxxx"

2 thirds of Argentina are a desert, steppe with bushes style

we dont have Iron, and we import both gas and oil.
One third of Argentina is quite fertile, and we do have a very developed agricultural sector.
But I dont think we are more rich in resources than a place like the UK, which has a lot of iron, coal, northern sea oil, and pretty good land too.

we also do very very little mining.

>>71277629
And one of the most corrupt and only now all his money detouring is catching up to him. Lucky him to not be during mandate, so people can act like it never happened and he's still a great president, huh.

Peron and the ditatorship fucked up with Argentina.

Brazil was fucked up for populists too, but its sheer size and population make it grow steadly during the second half of the XX Century, despite an astonish inflation.

>>71277877
That's true too. We have very fertile land near the main rivers but that's it. India has the most fertile land in the world and it's a shithole.

>>71265737
>>71266100
>>71266248
>unironically using the word "neoliberal".
I will politely ask reddit to leave.

>>71277977
Do you really think that if he was that corrupt he was going to be still free and clean? All the powerfull people in Brasil want his head: the media, the rich land owners, the old political families, the military, many great names on the judicial system, and yet they cant find something to frame him in spite of all their hate. Lula is the Santo Graal of those people, and yet they hardly find any scrap of all his huge "corruption empire".

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>>71277629
>far right
>in Brazil
Oh you. I bet you also think PSDB is a right wing party and Liberalism (in the original meaning of the word) is supported by large companies.

>>71278362
>Do you really think that if he was that corrupt he was going to be still free and clean?

Yes, absolutely.

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>>71268756

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>>71265596

>>71268705
Bingo! Don't forget Antarctica as well

>>71282368
fucking shit don't bully brazil

>>71282813
bully?

>>71274651
>retard Hungertinian don't know what the Fragile States Index is about...

it's not about states being fragile Somalia-style, you know...

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>>71282368
fixed.

My flag is not light blue

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>>71284290
is a old comic that's why the light blue

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>>71284192
yes it is.

>>71284485

sure, North Korea or Iran are very fragile states.

having displaced population (which is what drags down Colombia score the most) doesn't mean a country is gonna cease to exist.

>>71284533
>having displaced population (which is what drags down Colombia score the most)
it isn't though.
every single item is dragging you down, stop being so delusional you retarded nigger

http://fsi.fundforpeace.org/rankings-2016

>>71282813
South Brazil is objectively, stastically backed better than the North.

>>71287531
but it will never be another country south brazil is brazil m8

>>71287595
well that what it'd take for Brazil to join that hypothetical union created as a literal joke, don't look too much into it

>>71282368
Holly shit best comic ever

>>71268344
dubs of truth

>>71274651
Muisica will never die

Balkanization of Brazil when?

>>71265596
dictatorships, colonelism and populism

>>71297348
Not even in your dreams.