Imagine for a second that Hitler won WWII So Germans achieved

>>71079744
no

>>71079744
>tfw ugly German bulldyke genes never spread through europe
why even live

Maybe in 2 or 3 generation from now

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>>71079804
Yeah, maybe like 200 years of selective breeding would be noticeable.

>>71079798
You have the same face Sweden

>>71079744
Eugenics is like making mankind livestock whose genes are almost identical thus vulnerable to disease. it can be so dangerous when pandemic explosion happens, like livestock often exterminate by one pandemic.

>>71080158
I think Germans differ enough from each other so if they had done Eugenics, it wouldn't have been like inbreeding. But I may be wrong.

>>71080158
This, Hiro gets it. If all humans would be the same genetically a single disease could literally wipe all of humantiy out

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>>71080158
Good point.

>>71080260
But Nazis never planned to make the whole world Germanic, only Eastern Europe

>>71080325

Militarism was central to their ideology. Without war militarism is pointless.

>>71080258
I wonder how alrge the population of Germany would be today, with 0 immigrants and breeding programmes maybe it'd be around the same as today.

>>71080104
Swedes are perfected Germans

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At last Berlin would be more interesting.

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>>71079744
>>71079910

>>71080616
Huge, assuming birth rates would be about 2-3 kids per woman.

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>>71080690
One can dream

>>71080637
you guys tend to have really big foreheads, why? women mostly

Have eugenics ever been practiced on a larger scale somewhere in the world? I mean actual selective breeding of genetically fit people.

>>71080616
Probably around 200-250 million

>>71080582
They wouldn't keep waging war against the world, needlessly sacrificing Germans because "we're supposed the be bad mang :DDD"

>>71080740
big brains

>>71080759
Not, the only indirect eugenics practiced was warfare. Now biological warfare

>>71080759
Sweden, prior to the 1970s. And look at how that turned out.

>>71080690
>yfw you won't be able to see Berlin in a good shape in your lifetime
Why even live, I remember having a good laugh when a Japanese anon told me that the only reason why he/she was planning to visit Berlin was because he/she wanted to see some old buildings from the time of the GDR

>Superhumans

No, we would have bred like africans and be forced into a coldwar situation with the americans, from that on you either get some kind of nazism-light in order to arrange yourself with all the people that will hate your guts and may get coopted by americans which isnt as opressive or a much more instable soviet-union like thing that acts irrationally agressive with its nukes and goes into meltdown mode once the Führer is dead and his cabal starts fighting for sucession.
The core of the german population would be huge though, Nigeria-tier.

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so much for the masterrace. what with getting destroyed and dismantled by a bunch of slavics and anglos.

twice in a row, mind you.

>>71081006
Stop taking pride in destroying the last beacon of strength and civilization in Europe.

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>>71080759
Well, Spartans left weak kids to die before puberty.
They eventually conquered Athens and we still admire their victories and make movies about them today.

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>>71080984
>implying the American Nazi Party wouldn't have been emboldened by the Reich's success in conquering Europe + Africa

>>71081092
Fascism was not the last beacon of civilization in Europe. It is a betrayal to europe, they rightfully deserved to be exterminated.

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>>71080775
They would have prevented this

>Win world war 2
>Have cold war with the USA
>Collapse like Soviet Union
It's the same shit with a different coat of paint.

>>71081229
Wtf even is that?

>>71081381
Except Nazis weren't commies, you could've owned a private buisness and the government didn't decide how many facotires of what there was going to be etc. Commies lost becasue their economy was shit, government can never predict what its people will want. USSR would still be alive today if their economy wouldn't suck.

>>71081187
A betrayal of europe would implie a common european cause back then which wasnt the case.
You could argue the Nazis did betray the slowly established ideas of keeping violence and some ethical guidelines for conflicts and policies that were embedded into the european mind, but what mussolini did was simply another european ideology taken into practize and aimed at internal enemies and africans noone cared about.

>>71079744
>world where nazis won
>everything is futuristic

I want this meme to end, they were humans they were not aliens
If the whole world had one leader and one political party then I can see some stuff like banners everywhere, everyone will go to work where they tell them too, they'll wake up at the same time, they'll watch the same news

But it's not possible, for obvious reasons, humans are humans, and no matter how much you want it to happen nobody will tolerate a guy controlling everything and people would go rebellious in a matter of months or maybe years

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>>71081381
>>71080984
Interesting.
But would a Cold War really had happened in this scenario? Both parts hated Communism here and I'm not sure if Nazi Germany wanted to spread its ideology beyond pic related.

>>71079744
If Hitler had won had exterminated the Slavs, imagine a world without Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, etc. beauties.
And instead we would have the squareface germans "women"

It would be hell

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>>71079744

>>71081546
No one said futuristic here.
If anything they would be more traditional. We would not have consumism and the current constant pursue of modern-looking technology just for the sake of innovation.

>>71081480
There were other means of statist intervention though. The idea of holidays in Nazigermany was that not the private business would give you an outtime were you use your wage to travel somewhere with your family or friends, but that you and your coworkers AND the closest supervisor of that workenviroment would be summarized into a holiday squad to be brought to a designated holyday camp were your whole day was parted into planned physical activity and relaxing hours.


>>71081419
Its a hamfisted statistic that shows all people end as retards over time if you allow non ablebodied people to breed.

>>71081187
It was a betrayal to the elites behind major European powers like England. Don't swallow biased narrative.

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>>71081595
>imagine a world without Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, etc. beauties.
>And instead we would have the squareface germans "women"
Good point.

>>71081480
Communism didn't fail because it was communism, it failed because it was totalitarian, warbent and expansive.
Chinks chose to be pacifists and their shitty system lives on.
Nazis would have never settled down, their nationalism was one of expansive war, the lebansraum excuse was bullshit.

>>71081419
Can you not figure it out just by looking at the pic? I dont know German but it's quite obvious

>>71081796
>muh elites

This isn't the board for retards, go back to /pol/

>>71081595
I am not going to prove it, you could find it by yourself if you wanna, but here actually many people think Hitler fought against the commies, not against the people who lived here, i mean it's kinda obvious since slavs have the same language family, same traditions and culture and way more blue-eyed than Italians for example.

>>71081782
>There were other means of statist intervention though. The idea of holidays in Nazigermany was that not the private business would give you an outtime were you use your wage to travel somewhere with your family or friends, but that you and your coworkers AND the closest supervisor of that workenviroment would be summarized into a holiday squad to be brought to a designated holyday camp were your whole day was parted into planned physical activity and relaxing hours.
That sound so german holy shit.
>okay here's plan for our holidays
>Hans you're FunVacationFuhrer
>Adolf you're DriverToVacationSthurmBahnFuhrer
Vactaion squad, lel.

>>71081782
>>71081866
Jesus Christ that is the most retarded (no pun intended) piece of propaganda I've seen

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>>71079744

german girls were so masculine and ugly

>master race

don't make me laugh

>>71082004
It's a graph showing a simple biological reality. You may not agree morally but it's far from retarded.

>>71081557
>I'm not sure if Nazi Germany wanted to spread its ideology beyond pic related.
Ideology-wise probably no, but could imagine that the conflict-zone between the then two countries would have shifted towards North-Eastern Asia or somewhere because of muh-resources and sphere of influences and stuff

>>71081557
>both hated communists
And both Nazis and commis hated liberal democracy. If you know there is some big power hostile to your way of life across the atlantic amassing ressources and being able to reach your cities with a nuclear arsenal you are forced to confront it.
Also americans were themselves very proud and believed in the superiority of their society and wouldnt have wanted to just take a humilating defeat.

Nazi Germany would have taken as much as it was allowed too just as Hitler was enabled to take some borderlands when he was still appeased by his neighboors who were terrified of a new war, as the whole ideology was aimed at justifying itself by the presence of enemies. The massive loss of life which strained german demographics though may have given the eastern european peoples a bit of a leverage to hold out until the next generation of Nazis either decides to kill them off or gets a bit softer the same way bloodsoaked Stalinism turned into something that was a bit more approachable.

>>71081835
Their primary goal was to create an ethnostate that embraced every German. Then they would've gone so far as to conquer the east for the sake of Autarky. Anything beyond this is biased Allied speculation.

>>71081929
What are you gonna say next, that in a Democracy it's the people who decide the fate of their country, and not the plutocrats? LMAO

>>71079744
Hitler's worldview was pure memes. Germany would have started to shift towards modern progressivism anyway, just a bit later. Because progressivism is the biggest meme in the world and is outcompeting all other memes.

Eugenics doesn't work.

>>71082210
Prove it monkey

>>71082210
Demonstrably untrue. See: dogs.

>>71082091
Hope you're being ironic here. Western countries allow retards to fuck as much as they want and last time I checked barely anyone is disabled

It's pretty nice to see that so many people on /int/ know that nazism and socialism were more similar than different.
A good change of the usual view.

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>>71082210

not in terms of improving the gene pool but it does work in terms of alleviating suffering.
unfit retarded impoverished people should not have children for the sake of their children and the life of misery they'll have

>>71082256
And cats and horses and probiotics and most of our vegetables.

Actually Eugenics works very well.

>>71082167
>Their primary goal was to create an ethnostate that embraced every German. Then they would've gone so far as to conquer the east for the sake of Autarky. Anything beyond this is biased Allied speculation.
Oh yea, and General Plan Ost totally didn't exist. They were totally not going to genocide (or germanize) every slav east of them to Ural. It was a big misunderstanding!

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>>71081974
The longest commibloc on earth was build to be the fun "VacationSthrumbahnfuhrer" holydaycamp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJkpBx82Z0Q&index=2&list=PLOtlHxYDywTdparyj2qPHuQEFxP9TR0my

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>this is superhuman beauty according to Germans

>>71082234
Jap already said it. No diversity allows for diseases to spread rampant and wipe all the population, and eliminating mutations is the opposite of evolution, it stagnates the species.

>>71082256
And anyone with knowledge about bred dogs knows that it was the largest mistake we ever did to another species.

>The man in the High castle
Read it

Also the nazis doesn't follow the eugenics principle of mixing different genes to get the most satisfying outcome, since different genes are inferior.

>>71082350

eugenics is practiced among human beings without them realizing it

women choose good-looking financially successful men as mates. men chose attractive women as mates. if that is not eugenics, i don't know what is.

>>71082492

only in desperation do they choose shit mates. That's when the dysgenic effect happens and all these mutants are born

>>71082492
That's natural selection. Eugenics is forced.

>>71082437
> largest mistake we ever did to another species.

Depends. Some traditional breeds fulfill their purposes perfectly and are healthy.
With the 19th century breeding for aesthethic purposes ruined a lot of animals though into hideous abominations.

I wonder what you could produce if a bunch of autistic aliens decided to play dogbreeding with a bunch of human populations.

>>71081835
>Chinks chose to be pacifists and their shitty system lives on.
Only image-wise, in practice they're probably the most capitalist cunt on this planet

>>71082437
It depends on what you're trying to achieve. Dogs are certainly useful to humans, so in that sense it was a clear success. Of course you will have problems with dysgenic traits if you don't select against them, but that is the responsibility of the breeder.
>>71082492
Literally natural selection. It would be Eugenics if the state created a law requiring you to, for instance, earn X amount of money before you're allowed to marry.

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>>71082210
>Dawkins states: “First, the great variety among breeds of dogs, from Great Danes to Yorkies, from Scotties to Airedales, from ridgebacks to dachshunds, from whippets to St. Bernard’s, demonstrates how easy it is for the non-random selection of genes—the ‘carving and whittling’ of gene pools—to produce truly dramatic changes in anatomy and behavior, and so fast. Surprisingly few genes may be involved.” And later: “Political opposition to eugenic breeding of humans sometimes spills over into the almost certainly false assertion that it is impossible. Not only is it immoral, you may hear it said, it wouldn’t work. Unfortunately, to say that something is morally wrong, or politically undesirable, is not to say that it wouldn’t work. I have no doubt that, if you set your mind to it and had enough time and enough political power, you could breed a race of superior body-builders, or high-jumpers, or shot-putters; pearl fishers, sumo wrestlers, or sprinters; or (I suspect, although now with less confidence because there are no animal precedents) superior musicians, poets, mathematicians or wine-tasters.”

>>71082317
Communism: class struggle.
National Socialism: social Darwinism.

Communist economy: everything belongs to the "workers" (State).
National Socialist economy: only the most important sectors of industry (such as Military industry) belongs to the State. Private enterprise is allowed to exist as long as they don't exploit the people or go against the State.

People like to say the two ideologies are the same because they share the word socialist, when in Reality National Socialism adopted the name simply to appeal to the workers who were being taken into the left.

>>71082370
Hm... what does that have to do with anything? You said "Nazis would have never settled down, their nationalism was one of expansive war" and I said they would've stopped in the East, because their expansionism was for the sake of Autarky, not world domination.

And by the way, few people in the NSDAP took Generalplan Ost seriously. Hitler was not one of them. But I know you're not gonna believe me.

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>>71082475
>since different genes are inferior.

They did not belief though that german people were a monolithic race as even with pseudoscientific skull measuring they realized that europe is quiet diverse in itself already.

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What are Germans' of /int/ honest feelings and thoughts about Nazi Germany?

>>71081937
lol no

Hitler hated the Slavs as much as the Gypsies and the Jews, he put them on the same scale of "untermensch"

There are many documents of the time that prove it, even in schools they instilled that thought

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>>71082426
This was considered qt in the 30s. Beauty standard changes over the years.
>>71082421
>you'll never have a qt nazi gf that will be obsessed with having as many kids for fatherland as possible
>you'll never go with her for a vacations to a nazi commie block
Ehh we should've been allies Hans, god damn it Józef couldn't you have lived for a one more decade?

>>71082722
How about African genes? Only a full blown racist would deny the usefulness of some african traits.

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Atleast we'd have our own GroßFinnland

>>71082790
Depends.
We have a few unironic Nazis here, the rest is shitposting because we arent allowed to on german internet sites.
In general we know it was one of the biggest mistakes that could have happened, not even only because we lost but because that would have become absolute nightmare-tier totalitarianism with the furthered means of technology.

>>71079744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu5olK4xQ78&t=219s
Third reich didn't win because they attacked russian mainland and fighted in 2 fronts

>>71082475
I believe Hitler would've allowed all the Nordics to breed with each other. That's enough diversity for the whole process not to be considered 'inbreeding'.

>>71082818
"Slav" is a word referring different peoples speaking Slavic languages. I can assure Hitler didn't hate every Slavic people, although he saw them as being inferior to the Germans. But then again, for Hitler Germans were at the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBNKkLTYk6g

>>71083012
Fought*

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>>71082861
>HELGA IST CUTEN, JA?!

>>71082790
Well they certainly had some "interesting thoughts" of creating a new society, probably wouldn't really have wanted to live in there 2bh (Would you want to live as a Chinese or North Korean in their nowadays societies? I dunno). Blame them for ruining our position in the post-war world though.

>>71082877
People didnt knew much about genes at that time, physical traits and what the people had managed to accomplish in the past was taken as a measurement which led to a bunch of quiet weird theories. Like that even the different german subraces would have genetically instilled behaviours/character traits.
As africans were neither the aesthethic ideal and branded as being a primitive slaverace you can guess what nazis thought about mixing with them.

>>71082790
A bunch of idiots that fucked up Germany because of memes. Hitler was good at one thing, acquiring power. He was terrible at governing a country as well as leading a war, and I'm not sure he ever realized this. Everyone else either bought into the stupid memes or thought Hitler was a useful idiot who they could dispose of once they had power.

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>>71083056
She sure is.

>>71082877
>the usefulness of some african traits.
Traits such as? Can you give us some examples please? What use does melanin have in Europe?

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>>71082861
How can slavs even compete?
Manly women for manly men.

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>>71082426
It is you fag

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>>71083089
This, in 30s Hitler made many conclusions that finns were just some random üntermensch rabble in the north not worth their time.

Well after Winter war they were more than happy to help and elevated us to nordics.

>Owing to Finland's substantial military contribution on the northern flank of the Eastern Front of World War II, Hitler decreed in November 1942 that "from now on Finland and the Finnish people be treated and designated as a Nordic state and a Nordic people", which he considered one of the highest compliments that the Nazi government could bestow upon another country.[15]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2epIe3oxbM


Completely based on his own perceptions such an ideal about racialism couldn't withstand anything.

>>71082861
>Pakt Ribbentrop-Beck. Czyli jak Polacy mogli u boku Trzeciej Rzeszy pokonać Związek Sowiecki
boy that sure does seem like an unbiased and peer-reviewed source
Stop lying to yourself, he'd exterminate us sooner or later.

>>71079744
germans are ugly tho why would you want to imagine them winning
>>71079798
they would've probably done geneengineering making new generations hot and smart af, so nobody would travel in sweden for sex vacations

>>71083231
KAAARINA

>>71081557
why isn't finland included?

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>>71082790
Imagine a man who unites a disgusting mess of wanna be states into one nation. Imagine a man who unites an entire people, who are divided by tradition, religion and dialects, into one country. Imagine a man who dodged certain war with the greatest powers of the earth to give his people and his newly born nation hope and a chance to not only survive, but strive. Then imagine a retarded austrian with an inferirority complex ruining literally everything because he believes in a debunked race theory. Hitler not only ruined Germany, he also ruined German history and heritage. fuck him

>>71079744
> Liebensraum
top kek
I think you meant Lebensraum

>>71082426
yeah, it's good that we diluted their gene pool with ours, their women are at least somewhat nice now

>>71083350
>german guilt
why germans feel guilty about the holocaust thing?

>>71083350
So you hate Hitler only because he lost, like every German.

>>71079744
Only #4 is attractive

>>71083231
>from now on Finland and the Finnish people be treated and designated as a Nordic state and a Nordic people
The fuck? I thought that they treated you guys the same way as the "honorary aryanz" (basically second class citizens) like Croats, Hungarians or Japanese

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>>71083316
Hmm? Yes...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJbi8AaAp0g

>>71083335
Because we was and were to be an independent democratic state even after the war.

>>71083374
Or maybe it's a meme I didn't know about. In that case I apologize.

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>>71083276
We don't know that for sure.
>>71083231
Sprudo is the evidence that finngolians are ubermensch aryans though.

>>71083175
Endurance, much less likely to have high blood pressure, less likely to have skin cancer.
If the nazis had any intention to expand than: higher melanin protects from sun and heat stroke, wider flatter nostrils help filter dry weather and sand.
So on and so on.

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>>71083167

>>71081229
What's the message? They really thought ~15 million Jews would outbreed the entire German population?

>>71083429
Not form what i've studied. The germans tried to plant german commanders in our armies but Mannerheim denied every one of these requests since he staunchly (quite secretly tho) hated Hitler and Nazi Germany. And what comes to the german soldiers here the relationship was quite cordial tho the germans were known for tooking a liking for the local girls.

>>71083499
Oh fug

>>71083175
Africa has more genetic variety than the rest of the world combined, because everywhere else was originally settled by tiny populations. There are probably some good traits in there, but obviously a lot more bad traits because Africans aren't adapted to low sun. There isn't much point to deliberate eugenics attempts at this point though, because by the time we get any useful effects we will already have genetic engineering.

>>71083030
And that is why nazi camps were filled with Slavs along with Gypsies and Jews.

Hitler and his troop were crazy to tie, not to give much coherence to his vision of pure race.

>>71083442
Doesn't answer my question. Why didn't Nazi Germany include Finland in the Greater German Reich?

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>>71083499

>>71080158
The risk is worth it. Besides, it'd be practically impossible to make everybody genetically the exact same through eugenics.

Look at Japland, or a royal family or something. Thousands of years with just them fucking themselves, yet still different.

In theory you are right Toshiko, but in reality and practice it is not true. At least through eugenics.

>>71083499
jews did this

>>71083621
she got raped and kileld by ruskies, prove me wrong.

I think rationally the biggest enemy of eugenics is the impossibility to predict natural pressures.

>>71083686
I won't, it's probably true.

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>>71083618
>During the Continuation War (1941–1944) Finland was co-belligerent with Nazi Germany against the Soviet Union, and dependent on food, fuel and armament shipments from Germany. In spite of this, Finland retained an independent democratic government. Moreover, during the war, Finland kept its army outside the German command structure despite numerous attempts by the Germans to tie them more tightly together.

>Finnish Jews were not persecuted, and even among extremists of the Finnish Right they were highly tolerated, as many leaders of the movement came from the clergy. Of approximately 500 Jewish refugees, eight were handed over to the Germans, a fact for which Finnish prime minister Paavo Lipponen issued an official apology in 2000. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in the Eastern Front of the war.[21] Finnish Jews fought alongside other Finns for their country's freedom.[22]

>>71083478
Nordics evolved to live in northern Europe, and they are perfectly suited for that already. Lack of melanin allows them to synthesize enough vitamin D in spite of lack of sunlight, more body hair helps with transferring heat in and out of the body and so forth. Unless Hitler wanted to colonize Africa with Germans, I don't see what point you're trying to make here.

>>71083605
The camps were being filled with commies. Most commies were Slavs.

>>71083405
Well, I don't. I don't think a lot of Germans do, actually. At least not the young people. Older people might have actually remember stuff from back then, or have parents who told them about it, so for them I could understand if they were ashamed. Apart from that, it's a political thing that was done both because German politicians wanted to improve relations with other European nations and probably also because some of them were old enough to actually relate to and feel shame for the murders committed by Germans in the Holocaust.

>>71083545
Thanks for the input
>The germans tried to plant german commanders in our armies but Mannerheim denied every one of these requests
Well Im not that into the army stuff but werent there at least some German advisors or something in the finnish army though?
>And what comes to the german soldiers here the relationship was quite cordial tho the germans were known for tooking a liking for the local girls.
Have read something that a few marriages between German-Hungarians or German-Japanese at that time were not allowed even after the honorary aryan thing, but ofc these were only some rare cases so I cant generalize.
Also:
>Finnish girls
Pics pls :^)

>>71083773
Protip:

Co-Belligerent is the codeword here.

>>71083374
It was a misunderstanding based on mispelling!
The Liebensraum (Liebe=love) was about love not living!

>>71083618
Why didn't soviets finnish (lel) in funland what they started after the war when there was nothing stopping them

Why didn't the US and UK bomb funland

Why was finland the only democratic nation in the axis

Because we're special

>>71082426
All women look like that without makeup imho

>>71083892
no they don't, only slavics and germans do

>>71083847
Possibly the greatest political spinning job ever

>>71083786
Poland wasn't communist before urss invasion

>>71083872
post finnish gqt-s now

>>71083851
> Love-space
hmm, sounds hot... or gay. Depends on what kind of love are we talking about.

>>71083539
No they wanted to encourage young and healthy people to get more children then the unhealthy people.

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>>71083460
I do wonder though how that scenario would work out
>tfw you will never march out from Axis Poland along with Magyarbros, Slovaks, Italians, and Fingolians to shoot up some Soviets, and Upainians will never get an excuse to murder you

>>71084020
no

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>>71083841
>but werent there at least some German advisors or something in the finnish army though?

Yes, and vice versa we trained germans in extensive winter warfare.

>Have read something that a few marriages between German-Hungarians or German-Japanese at that time were not allowed even after the honorary aryan thing, but ofc these were only some rare cases so I cant generalize.

I don't think there were such things in place here. Quite many germans stayed or returned here after the war. Myself being 1/4 german.


>Pics pls :^)

Pic related.

>>71084096
finnish qt-s 4 archive my grandfa(hero of shitty union) had shared bed with russki qt-s ?

>>71083621
This is clearly a very confused Polabian girl

>>71079744
No. Nazis were scum.

>>71082714
Communism treats the state as a necessary and temporary evil. To fascists, an all-powerful state is the point.

>>71084261
However, socialism is always stuck on socialism because it's literally impossible to transcend into communism.
You can't have no market and no state at the same time.

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>>71084118
>we trained germans in extensive winter warfare.
Well that didnt turn out too well..
>Quite many germans stayed or returned here after the war
Yfw you wont be able to relax in rural Finland to drink and post ebin memes.

Ty for the pic

>>71084261
Explicitly an executive state that is not obstructed by unnecessary things like the judiciary or legislative branches of government :^)

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the world would be much more technologically advanced with superior german engineering

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>>71084261
>temporary
har har har

>>71084043
Sado-Maso.

>>71083851
>>71084043
>German love camps

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>yfw you were born in reality where germs were eternally castrated and blown the fuck out by superior slavic races

>>71084261
Marx said a country needs 100 years of socialist authoritarianism before actual communism. Besides being optimistic, that's more than just 'temporary'.

>>71084469
Thise deserves a meme picture, but I'm on my phone (and also can't into drawing )

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>>71084585
>by superior slavic races
nothing to lel about when we got BTFO'd even worse

>>71084585
Hold ya butthurt will ya

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>>71084719
totally worth it

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>>71084801
Yep

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>>71084904
joke's on you, i love present day warsaw

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Need a chubby German gf to teach me about hygiene

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>>71084958
>loves modernism and commie blocks

Boooooo

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>Your country's youth will never, EVER, be this healthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzjaUsIjsN4

>>71083545
From what I understand the Germans actually offered Mannerheim command over the German armies in northern Finland as well, but he declined.

Mannerheim was a goddamn political genius.

>>71079744
No, they would not be superhumans.

I have no idea what you guys are so obsessed with Hitler and his "master race" of inbreds. Literally none of you would be considered to have great genes.

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>>71084707
Voila

>>71086224
Saved.

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>>71086224
>you will never have blonde german wife who would dress up as nazi and scream at you in german during sex
Just end me.

I actually pity germans for having to deal with all of these embarrasing idiots all the time.

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>>71079798
lost it at the second post, fuck

>>71079744
Yes, they would be. I'm a strong believer of eugenics.
>>71080637
This desu

>>71084691
When did he say that?

>>71080759
Everywhere, all the time.

>>71081724
>If anything they would be more traditional
Silly thing to say since Nazism denounced bourgeois society as decadent and Jewish.

>>71090194
Eugenics refer to organised, even industrialized control of the genetics of the population. Natural selection and unconscious vetting don't count.

Nazism ironically enough happened right as mainstream science was rejecting racial theories.

>>71079744
It would have either stayed an oppressive military state, or have fallen apart. Most likely it wouldn't have been alive 10 years after Uncle Adolf died.

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>>71082861
>This was considered qt in the 30s. Beauty standard changes over the years.

>>71092698
Totalitarian states are ultimately doomed to fail. They cannot lead to a stable, functional society. When all is said and done, constitutional monarchy is the most stable form of government there is.

>>71092808
If that's true, why is one-party China rapidly overtaking the decaying West?

>>71092808
Remember that you're discussing Germans. They can take it.

>>71086224
Oh god...

>>71092865
In what way? China destroyed their own culture with communism.

>>71082426
Beauty standards change over time and they'll vary between cultures.

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>>71082710
>I have no doubt that, if you set your mind to it and had enough time and enough political power, you could breed a race of superior body-builders, or high-jumpers, or shot-putters; pearl fishers, sumo wrestlers, or sprinters

That's no doubt what the Chinese are currently doing, and they need to be stopped.

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>>71093002
Like, how the fuck was this ever considered attractive?

>>71086224
He actually took his time and worked hard to draw a perverted meme picture. Typical Germans.

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>>71093063
80s hair can sometimes look okay.

>>71080984
>No, we would have bred like africans and be forced into a cold war situation with the americans

Yes, ultimately the martial-minded German culture would have clashed with American liberalism. Americans had had a fundamental dislike of imperial Germany back before WWI.

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>>71093063
>>71093175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIB9Y4OFPs

>>71080582
You can always find someone inside your empire to fight against.
Also totalitarism isn't only militarism.
Another option would be to make it like the USA and bring "peace" to some shithole countries. Maybe create one or two conflicts, a region vulnerable for crises, and voila, you have your never ending source for peace missions.

>>71093251
>Also totalitarism isn't only militarism
It kind of is. Most dictatorships have glorified warfare and aggression.

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>>71079744
Germanic women are inferior.

>>71093224
>fundamental dislike of imperial Germany back before WWI.

Why tho?
It wasnt much more imperial then the french and belgians and much less authoritanian then most societies of eurasia with a slow movement towards more democratic elements.
It would suprise me if there was a deeper dislike before ww1 that wasnt the cause of british sentients spilling over the atlantic.

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The problem with the Nazi - German idea of eugenics, is that it doesn't take in to consideration the best or worst aspects of the human race, not even the best or worst of the Caucasian race or European people, but defines these two categories mostly by myth, ideology and unscientific ideas, defining what is best as the "Aryan ideal". At the end of the whole process, they would have ended with 2m tall, blonde eyed clones, with lots of health problems product of inbreeding and with low defences against lots of illness.

btw, using domesticated animals or plants (specially plants, holy fuck), is the most retarded example you could use for defending eugenics for humans. Not only are domesticated animals and plants a genetic mess, bu in the case of the later they are so fucked up that most people even discuss if said variates should even be considered species. Are they a success in terms of human use? Yes. Are they a success in terms of what a viable population or even individual should be? Not even close.

Btw, I support eugenics for the human population, but the Nazis ruined it for everybody.

>>71093603
Americans and Brits at that time generally had this stereotype of Germans being jack-booted militarists with pointy mustaches and spiked helmets. As for Eurasian cunts, I don't think many people had a positive image of Russia either for that matter.

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>>71094908
This is your typical cultivated hybrid rose bush. It looks pretty, but it isn't very hardy and requires considerable maintenance to not die of disease or get demolished by insects.

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This is the Pasture Rose. It's not as pretty as hybrids, but will thrive with little maintenance in its native range in the eastern US.

>>71094908
In any case, the science of genetics was not as well developed in the 1930s as it is now, and DNA was as yet unknown.

>>71081502
Europe survived and fighted against invaders like muslims and mongols, and Germany always wanted to kill European people, what a scum holy shit.

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>>71095075
And its cousin, the French Rose, which is widespread across much of Europe.

>>71094908
You're full of shit.

>>71081502
>You could argue the Nazis did betray the slowly established ideas of keeping violence and some ethical guidelines for conflicts and policies that were embedded into the european mind
This is true. Considering the very high peaks of civilization Europe was reaching in the opening years of the 20th century, the barbarities that ended up taking place in a few decades seem almost shocking. A Gulag Archipelago or an Auschwitz could not have been imagined in 1910.

>>71095125
>Europe survived and fighted against invaders like muslims and mongols

And of course Russians since you're not Europeans, you are of Mongol.

>>71095158
>retard who thinks corn or sheep are good examples of what healthy individuals or populations should look like

Even your average or even casual orchid, flower or dog breeder could tell you about the health or any other kind of problems the selective breeding of traits have on populations. On the other hand, I don't see how you can even believe domesticated animals or plants are the example of successful beings.

t. I actually work trying to fix the genetic mess of local plant variations used by farmers

>>71095185
It would take a careful examination, but the ingredients leading up to fascism and communism were there before WWI, including the racial theories of the 19th century, Marxism, Nietzsche, and the cult of the nation-state.

A German pastor in the 1950s wrote that the tragedy of World War II and the Holocaust happened because the German people after 1871 increasingly rejected Christianity in favor of the cult of the nation-state and worship of the German race.

Anyone who thinks a Nazi-ruled Europe would be good for anyone is nuts. you should read about some of the plans they had for Europe. shit was fucked up.

>>71095366
I'm actually interested, post links

>>71093044
I don't get why china doesn't train their black immigrants

For one thing, Czechs were considered as degenerated Germanics. Roughly half the population was to be genocided, the other half considered suitably Aryan and would be subjected to Germanization.

>>71094908
Look >>71080258, >>71083030

It wouldn't be inbreeding.

>>71095379
Basically keeping western europe as vassals, pushing up the own population, while reducing the one of the east.
Goal was an asiatic mode of production, with the east as food providers (remaining slavs used as agricultural servrace) and the west as some other kind of puppet sending all their ressources into middleeurope.
Also the Urals were to be seeded with german militant peasants to create a demographic defense belt against the mongolic east.
The rest would have been the finetuning concerning the absolute control of the german population to make the orwellian education and breeding process a full circle to last for the next 1000 years and lots of prestige objects.

>>71095366
Eastern Europe to this day still suffers from the destruction caused by fascism and communism.

>>71095366
Sure it would be good for Germans.

>>71095488
Inbreeding doesn't implies just reproduction between close siblings but among people from a reduced or determined gen pool. Also, "thinking" it isn't doesn't make it magically not being like that, you can see the problems caused by a reduced gen pool in populations and even just towns all over the world where "isolation" for whatever reason occurred naturally.

Now imagine what would have happen after the war if the Germans would have won when they were ready to allow systematic polygamy because of the reduction of "pure aryans".

>>71083335
it's a made up map with no basis in reality sourced from a marxist encyclopedia.

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>>71095506
The final result would look something like this.

>>71095577
Standart of living would be good and your youth made exiting with massrites and exercise, freedom of thought nonexistant though.

"This youth, they learn nothing but to think German, to act German. And when now this boy and this girl, with their ten years, come into our organisation and now, as is often the case, for the first time in general receive and feel a breath of fresh air, then four years later they come from the Jungvolk (Young Folk) into the Hitlerjugend (Hitler Youth), and there we hold them again four years, and we don’t first give them back into the hands of our old class- and profession-creators, but we take them immediately into the Party, or into the Arbeitsfront (Labour-front), into the SS or the SA, into the NSKK (=NS Kraftfahrerkorps or National Socialist Motor-Driver Corps) and so on. And when they are there two years or one-and-a-half years and have not yet entirely become National Socialists, then they come into the Arbeitsdienst (Labour Service) and there they again undergo military-style training, all with a symbol, the German spade. And what then after six or seven months, class-consciousness or professional self-conceit, there or there is still supposed to exist, the armed services take over for further processing for two years. And when they return after two or three or four years, then in order that they in no way revert, we take them immediately into the SA, SS and so on. And they will never again be free during their whole lifetime. And they are happy by that."

This not only affects soldiers but also the normal workforce which also was militarised and ritualised to some extend, check the holieday commentary above.
If you would have come to a point were three generations were raised after this standartised way, you would have created a selfsustaining culture of absolute collectivism.

>>71095646
without israel tho, lel

>>71095220
Mongols are far eastern, you should learn geography czech.

>>71095708
>If you would have come to a point were three generations were raised after this standartised way, you would have created a selfsustaining culture of absolute collectivism.
Now see what happened in Russia after it was all dismantled overnight in the 90s. With no top-down directions, people went insane and fell into crime, chaos, and degeneracy.

>>71079744
>making diseases and low test homos disappear from the gene pool


That's not how science works you know

>>71095708
>you would have created a selfsustaining culture of absolute collectivism.
So, the ultimate in terms of country

>>71095763
Rites of passage, a "we" identity, some guidance like religion or biased education is important. We are not solitary animals after all. But what they had in mind went beyond that and would have created a mass of people to be squeezed violently into a selection of extremely narrow templates made up by a few romantics with questionable motives.
There is a golden middle for everything and it varies with culture, situation and given threats to society, totalitarianism of this kind doesnt seem ideal, neither does anarchy of any kind.

>>71095872
feel free to enjoy your refugees and cultural marxism then, retard.

>>71081595
This. Russian and Eastern European women are best, their wombs being ripe for big strong American seed.

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> In addition, the Nazis considered the Sioux, and by extension all Native Americans to be Aryans,[87] a theory echoed in the sympathetic portrayal of the Natives in German westerns of the 1930s such as Der Kaiser von Kalifornien. Nazi propagandists went as far as declaring that Germany would return expropriated land to the Indians, while Goebbels predicted they possessed little loyalty to America and would rather rebel than fight against Germany.[87] As a boy, Hitler had been an enthusiastic reader of Karl May westerns[9] and he told Albert Speer that he still turned to them for inspiration as an adult when he was in a tight spot;[89] the Karl May westerns contained highly sympathetic portrayals of American Indians.

On all seriousness, how the fuck could someone not be considered "Aryan" by the Nazis? Even those who were not at the beginning were named "honorary aryans" later

>>71095872
Actually my point was more that the USSR was a perfect example of how, after a few generations, it is possible to create self-sustaining collectivism, and that, when it all crumbled, the population were left lost, bewildered, and fell into social chaos and near-ruin.

>>71095909
Yet at other points, Hitler would claim he admired the US conquest of the Amerindians.

>>71093063
You're kidding, right? If not you need to neck yourself.

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>>71095921
you're contradicting your own point. if you claim that the collectivism in the USSR was self-sustaining, then there wouldn't have been a collapse in the first place.

furthermore, your premise is wrong anyways. There were huge amounts of defectors from the USSR and the concept of Soviet people never caught on. the entire system was broken from the start.

>>71095921
North Korea is more complete example of collectivism than Soviet Union. Not even Stalin at his peak had population as totally indoctrinated as that.

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>>71095609
>you can see the problems caused by a reduced gen pool in populations and even just towns all over the world where "isolation" for whatever reason occurred naturally.


Like in our case highest iq in europe?

>>71095966
The excesses of industrial capitalism in the US and Western Europe were gradually tamed by social legislation and organized labor. In the end, communism only happened in backwards nations like Russia where there was no actual middle class or capitalism.

>>71095995
According to most defectors the average North Korean is not really that indoctrinated, but there is really no other option than keep acting like you are. Literally everybody is afraid of the next guy for the same reasons.

>>71096026
Have an unique gen pool compared to other Europeans is not that same as it being reduced or you being isolated. Then again, you Finns seem to have some weird genetic problems caused by a not so diverse gen pool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_heritage_disease

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>>71095921
ah ok. Well ofc if you would have such a system and break it up the people would be pretty helpless. Northkoreans are at this point now I guess and are said to suffer and have problems to adapt to not being guided by the state in everything they do.
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-north-korean-defectors-keep-returning-home-2013-12?IR=T

>>71095895
Did you even read my post?

South Koreans and Japanese are also quite inbred desu.

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>>71096084
> is not that same as it being reduced or you being isolated.

We literally did get very isolated at one point which reduced our genepool.

>Then again, you Finns seem to have some weird genetic problems caused by a not so diverse gen pool.

90% of those i've never heard of or are prone to one single area where it has been seen with one patient before.

>>71095366
>>71095442
Insomnia, night shift at work, or woke up early?

>>71096084
Iceland has a not so diverse genepool.
What are you suggesting you muppit?

>>71095966
Remember how Fidel Castro got infuriated at Forbes Magazine including him on their list of World's 100 Richest People?

>>71096084
Wasnt all of humanity once reduced to 10.000 speciment due to some indonesian volcano?
If that didnt made us into cripples mutants then finnsbreeding with finns for another 300 years wont led to that fate either as long as they dont jump on their relatives.

>>71095646
> Slovakia exists
What the fuck Germoney

>>71095870
The same thing could be said about us 2bh

>>71096281
They cut Slovakia off as a statelet ruled by a fucked-up guy named Father Tiso.

>>71096268
I think the lactose intolerant lads fucked off to the east, did shit with swords and fireworks for several centuries.
Lads that enjoyed some milk on their cornflakes went on to create infrastructure.

>>71080927
It was barely used.

>>71096353
> they were going to let Slow-akia exist

WTF, I hate Germoney now

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wat did he mean by this

A BRIEF HISTORY OF SLOVAKIA

Once upon a time, in a backwater village of the Austrian Empire, there lived a man named Vak who was born with Down's Syndrome. Because of his condition, the locals referred to him as Slow Vak. This disability did not prevent Slow Vak from having 15 children with his own sister, all of whom then had children with each other. Within a few generations, Slow Vak's descendants numbered in the millions, all of them totally deformed and mentally retarded. Eventually, they began to claim themselves as a separate nationality and language even though there is no record of their language existing before 1905.

>>71096436
As usual, Hitler loved to contradict himself and change his story every 5 minutes. There were other times when he said the US was built by all the strongest, most ambitious Europeans and that only the losers and dregs stayed behind in Europe.

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Only superior genes are slavic, and German women enjoyed a lot of them

>>71096436
Adolf is right 2bh

>>71096437
True story

>>71096473
There's no contradiction, you're proving his point right now.

The US may have been built by all the strongest, most ambitious Europeans and become Judaized and negrified later, as Jews were allowed to own business after business and niggers were allowed to be free.

>>71096543
>and niggers were allowed to be free
>niggers
>free
>in Hitler's lifetime
Uh...

>>71096437
This copypaste is old as the hills, still hilarious though.

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>>71096554
Oh come on now

>>71096473
I'd like to hear exactly where he said that

>>71083631
>The risk is worth it
No it's not. We're talking about the end of humanity here, only a retarded cynic or an immature teenager would take that risk.

>>71096543
We were on the verge of collapsing before the big nose merchants came.

>>71095646
You gave weird benises to finland and hungary