Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1809

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>>71060720
私ごときが1GETさせて頂きまして
誠に申し訳ございません

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/jp/より参加があったのに前スレが早死にした。
毎日の事になったらどうしようか?
この世の中には正義があるんじゃないの?神様ぁぁぁぁぁ!

>>71060865
Why is his wig floating above his head?

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>>71060925
かわいいは、正義。
ほかに何もただしいはずはない

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>>71060720
Uploading a mirror of ヤマノススメ but updating it with volumes 11, 12 and 13. The CoR version has up to volume 10. Was able to find a rip of volume 12 but not volume 11, so I ripped it myself. The digital copy is actually great considering it was digital, pic related is an example.

Volume 13 will be available from the 13th and uploaded the same day. That will be still the 12th for most anons, I'm assuming.
Point is, if you're looking to start reading the series it's a good time now so that you'll be able to eventually read all available volumes.

It's a neat series with a bunch of cool hiking/camping and general /out/ related vocab. Plus cute girls.

https://mega.nz/#F!od53HYaQ!5QA5GvyPxbhwQoI-3J-WqQ

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>>71061579
While it's nice of you and all, I'm kinda disappointed another aussie turned out to be a paedo.

>>71061836
Go back to /int/'s DJT, where normalfags like you can froli-
Oh wait.

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>>71061836
Life-like texture ;_;

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http://vocaroo.com/i/s1KsKd1vnmcQ

How should I feel about this?

>あんたらどっから入りこんだんだい!?
What is あんたら?

>>71062081
plural of あんた

>>71062081
貴方「あなた」→あんた
貴方がた→あんたら
ら is the plural.

>>71062157
fuck off leaf

>背骨
>骨
>ぼね
At last I truly see.

>>71060925
if a thread is end, someone may just make another thread.
don't mind.

>>71063104
ありがと

>>71063147
you're welcome :)
(・_・)b

The cool thing about learning Japanese is that learning any language after that will probably feel like a walk in the park

>>71063489
those that are somewhat related to your own, sure, I wouldn't say any language though

I bet arabic, russian and other asian ching chong languages are still a huge pain in the ass

>>71063615
In my experience, Russian is just like Japanese

>>71063615
But at least you won't have to memorize thousands of different characters to be able to read and write properly. Just that is one big relief.

>>71063675
how so

>>71063694
yes, that's a big plus

>>71063675
Is Russian language similar to Japanese?

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>using that OP image
>not using this one

I don't think i hold a minority opinion when i say this is the better version

>>71063675
Really? Russian language almost like English

>>71063818
they both belong on /jp/

>>71063792
Pyccкий язык выглядит вoт тaк. Aнглийcкий выyчить лeгчe
Russian language looks like this. English is easier to learn

>>71063907
Not quite. /jp/ freaks out over anything written in english.

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>>71063489
>any language after that will probably feel like a walk in the park
Somebody call Poland, it's an emergency.

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>>71063818
This one is one of my favourites.

>>71063940
The Cyrillic alphabet is not hard to learn, but Russian grammar is another story.

I had Russian for 3 years in highschool and I'm not touching that again unless you annex us of course :^)

>>71064023
Polish is similar to Russian

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>>71064030
Here's mine

>>71064053
Russian is one of my long-term target languages, but I've learned the alphabet already, took me one hour to learn and a few days to get used to it.

The think about Russian is, just like English, spelling. Vowels are a shitfest, palatalization occurs randomly sometimes and stress placement is not always obvious.

Grammatically I find it kinda okay, at least compared with Portuguese, but exceptions are a PITA in the ass.

Even if you know Japanese, there are still plenty of challenges out there in the linguistic world:
- Tones;
- Cases;
- Overly agglutinative languages;
- Complex verbal conjugations (for non-Romance speakers), particularly Spanish;
- Motherfucking palatalization, and foreigners also seem to be fucked in the ass big time by Portuguese's nasal vowels.

>>71064156
Why a thumbnail?
I think that would match better if the title was changed to something like デキナイの旅.

>>71063940
why are that alphabets of left and right reversed?

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/djt/

i think i know what this thread needs. we need some sort of community activity to bond us together.

like, there were efforts to create a skype group, but beyond that, maybe we can have a weekly mahjong meetup or something?

What do you think?

>>71064280
cytube

>>71064280
正直に言えば、結構です

>>71064280
I've wanted to have some sort of reading group where we share, rate and keep track what a bunch of us are reading. Not something I've actually brought up because, well, you'd already imagine the response.
Something like discord would be better than Skype, wouldn't it?

Will reading 咲 teach me mahjong? It's like 碁, isn't it, where the spirit of an old pro brings out supernatural talent within you?

>>71064441
Back in the OLD days, we used to do a few Daifugou matches on @games

however, @games is shutting down. While I still play it occasionally on Hangames, i don't think /djt/ would have a lot of fun on hangames. Sure, it is crawling with japanese people, but once you find out hangames doesn't allow you to ctrl+c and ctrl+v kanji you don't know, people in this thread would be running away in tears.

I do want to try mahjong though.

>>71064441
>Something like discord would be better than Skype, wouldn't it?
To be honest, Discord is heavily rooted in western culture. Japanese people use skype and LINE, they don't use Discord. If you're OK with that fine, create a group and i'll definitely join.

>>71064659
I thought Skype was for video and voice whereas Discord was like a IRC alternative.

>>71064279
Russian alphabets inherited from Greek.
English alphabets inherited from Latin
Latin inherited from Greek.

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>>71064273
Here you are. Don forget to contribute to my Patreon for more Dekinai montages!
http://patreon.com/dekinaichan-adventures

>Why a thumbnail?
Checked the archives and the last 4 threads created with this pic were thumbnails. This should be illegal.

>>71064993
(藁)

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>>71064993
>went to link to toss you $5
>404 not found

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Forgot a detail.

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This isn't supposed to display like this right? When i copy/paste it into my browser I get ⺍. This has not happened with another radical/kanji before, anyone know what I can do about it?

>>71064280
I think the the thread is slow enough as it is without moving activity outside the site

>>71064720
that is to say, Russian alphabets are more right than Latin's one originally?
I see.
In the scripts of ancient Middle eastern culture, Latin scripts are not always right.

>>71064993
I was surprised that you made that picture
in a moment..
great photoshop designer

>>71065252
>that is to say, Russian alphabets are more right than Latin's one originally?
No, just historically

>いくらアタシの熱烈なファン
だからってねぇ
困るよこんな所まで
What 困るよこんな所まで mean?

>>71065651
I got it.
In Japan, Latin scripts were introduced in the 16th century, so they are known more by chance.

>>71065229
You don't have Japanese fonts installed.

It's likely that isn't included in whatever font you're using for anki and it squares it out. Had that happen to some obscure alternative versions of radicals (probably Chinese) in my deck.

>>71066144
困るよ。こんな所まで(来て)。

we can guess he is troubled by someone's visiting.

Anki with a hangover is unbelievably painful

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Can some kind Jap-anon or someone who can read Japanese translate the script on this flag for me? I can't find a translation for it anywhere.

>>71070237
It says rising sun

>>71067344
だからって is equivalent to "but."?

>>71070895
Not equivalent at all, but it's to that effect. You could expand the first sentence to something like いくらアタシの情熱なファンだから(来たよ)と言っても. "It doesn't matter how how big of a fan you are, ...".

>>71070895
In my opinion
いくら~からといって is a set phrase.
Even if you are 熱烈なファン, I'm troubled.

Somehow in Japanese language education for foreigners, it seems that a set phrase for an adverb is not taught at all.
And it seems that Japanese bilingual also don't often know about that of Japanese language much.

Even if は少しニュアンスが違うけど。
previous poster です

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>>71070895
いくら〜からといって

>>71072680
One of the volumes of the A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar has an entry for だからと言って、among other such set phrases and the like. I'd be really surprised if these sorts of things don't pop up as grammar points in N3, N2 and N1 specific grammar books.
They may not be used in classes but the popular grammar books like 完全マスター and 本語総まとめ would "teach" them in that they would be in there and explained, likely with some sort of test prep type questions.

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>>71075072
Found the mentioned entry:
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A5%E3%81%A0%E3%81%8B%E3%82%89%E3%81%A8%E8%A8%80%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6

>>71074922
thank you for showing a good example.
I couldn't explain that phrase well.
>>71075072
that is taught as one of pattern of sentences, isn't it?
those are called as 呼応の副詞(or 陳述の副詞).
http://coffeejp.com/article/yufa/1970-01-01/article_2.html

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What does 急に社員に辞められた mean?
1) I suddenly quit my job as an employee
or
2) My employee suddenly quit.

Go back to /a/

>>71060720
How can I read 千氏夜?

In the case that start of a sentence is いくら, continuation of sentence is restricted.
A preceding adverb decide an continuation of sentence.
This is 呼応の副詞.
it seems that だからと言って alone works also as a conjunction.
>>71075999
2

>>71075999
I think the latter one is correct.

>>71076040
We can't

>>71076291
>>71076355
Thanks!

>>71076355
>>71076291
Why would it be referring to someone else? Wouldn't it be based on context or is it because it's a potential form?

Is it true that all う-verbs are 五段 verbs and all る-verbs are 一段 verbs?

>>71076911
It's passive.

>>71076989
If you mean う-verbs and る-verbs as defined in Tae Kim's guide, then yes, they're just alternate names for 五段 and 一段.

>>71075999
Lol, all russian migration.
Ha двaчaх coвceм тyгo?

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>>71077038
That's what I thought thanks

>>71077093
>If you mean う-verbs and る-verbs as defined in Tae Kim's guide
Yeah I do. Is there another definition? I ran across 残った and Jisho tells me 残る is a "Godan verb with ru ending, intransitive verb" and nothing else so I looked at TK and the conjugation fell into the past tense for う category. Then I found http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/9624/whats-the-difference-between-ichidan-godan-and-ru-u-verbs-classification so I was wondering if they were just two different names for the same classification.

>>71077228
>Is there another definition?
I don't think so, just making sure we're on the same page. They're the same but I guess Tae Kim uses る/う to make it more approachable for beginners.

>>71077345
Thank you

>>71075999
Couldn't it be causative? "An employer suddenly forced me to quit"?

>>71077094
>Ha двaчaх coвceм тyгo?
тaм я тoлькo нa vg/avsim/ зaceдaю

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>>71077119
>>71077951
られる
>A state or an action cannot be controlled by someone or something.
させる
>Cause someone/something to do something or cause something to change its state.
If you can somehow get these hooked into your brain it can make these sorts of conjugations a lot less messy in the wild.

okay. now i'm very frustrated.

it's time to find some japanese communities. my japanese is shit but the time is now

any reccomendations besides lang8?

>>71080447
I'm not mememing but seriously, who or what are you quoting? This causative passive stuff always confuses me so any reference could be useful, after 3 months of reading it still catches me out sometimes.

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死ぬほどつまらない

I'll ask here too:

I've grinded anki and grammar up to intermediate level, I've entered university (japanese language and culture) to improve. I'm a third year student now, I got max grades at the exams and yet whenever I have the chance to speak with an actual japanese person I chicken out. I once tried to resist and chat, but aside total blackouts with even the simplest grammar, I just don't know what to talk about. My production is total ass and writing a sakubun is still the hardest part of a written exam. I have apps like hellotalk but I never use them. Can I be saved or should I kms?

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>>71082293
おかわりの暗記時間で楽しいしましょうか?

>>71082501
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0wanZNEZmSw

>>71082643
>おかわりの
dafuq dus it min?

>>71082501
助かるわけがないので、数独の時間だよ
ごめん

>>71082841
Okawari, second helping. The "no" wasn't there originally, but since I lack proper grammar instruction, I added it and Google Translate seemed to do a better job of turning the sentence into English. That's how I decide if something is appropriate or not most of the time.

>>71083253
just try googling the japanese stuff and put it into quotation marks

>>71083253
Ookee...
And what exactly were you trying to say?

>>71082773
yes you're right, I'm very shy and I'm an ex NEET that is trying to redeem himself through university. Despite the initial success I can't seem to make any progress, I have a lot of personal problems that make me be stuck into a shitty and disfunctional daily routine, that's why I think I can't do small talk or write a sakubun about myself.

Just like >>71080914 I'm in desperate need of a japanese community I can relate with, I tried playing PSO2 but it was the festival of circlejerking.

Thanks for the kind answer anyway, ブラジルくん.

>>71083534
>NEET
What's that

>>71083534
out of interest, what do you plan to do with your studies afterwards

no accusation really, by 4chan standards I'm doing a meme degree myself

>>71083705
"Not in Education, Employment, or Training"

are you new on the 4chinz?

>>71083345
I doubt many people have wrote おかわりあんき in the past, and if I were to add some common place nouns, I wouldn't be sure if they are grammatically correct or just abbreviated due usage, merging into a compound expression. But that's a neat idea, I'll do it when I think it applies.

>>71083534
Well, so how do you fare in English "socialization"? I invited you to the jam, but you seem to have backed down. If you're uneasy in it as well, then maybe starting out with English could help you ease the gap with a confidence boost, since it's an easier language for you to communicate in, while still being outsider enough that you can relate the experience with doing the same in Japanese in the future.

I'm by no means an extrovert, but I haven't a single drop of shame or spaghetti in my pockets, and I have to recognize it's a trait that really helps me getting by in life. Hope you can heal those emotional scars, I recommend going one-on-one at first. Maybe even finding an ESL initially, so you don't have the intimidation of speaking to a "professional" English speaker.

>>71083796
Came accross it a lot.
Never wondered what it could be before.

>>71083876
For the same reasons, I can't speak english fluently. I've actually never studied it in depth, as you said I got most of it through absorption. I can hold conversations in english online, and I have some friends I chat with daily. I got asked several times to voice chat but I've always refused.

I just can't socialize for the sake of it, I have to be in an environment in which the social interaction is somehow finalized to something, like an online game or even just university (when it isn't about private life).

>>71083750
I... have absolutely no fucking idea.
I just wanted to exit NEETdom and I did, I've made many friends but some issues like social anxiety are still lingering. I guess it is really sudoku time.

Sorry for blogposting.

>>71084543
>I just can't socialize for the sake of it, I have to be in an environment in which the social interaction is somehow finalized to something
iktf bro, I can be pretty confident with strangers when I exactly know what to do in the situation and what my role is, anything else, kill me

>I guess it is really sudoku time.
don't worry m8, I'm sure it will work out, maybe some company that has business in japan or something
I guess a lot of people studied something similar and there's no way they are all unemployed

こんちゃかわ

あれ?
もしもし〜?

ハリーは何も言わずに新聞を押しやった。それ以上読みたくもなかった。読まなくともわかる。

does anyone know why they don't write 読まなくてもわかる and what the も is doing in the last two sentences in general?

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>>71085535
ごんにちわイダリアさん、ビザを一つください

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>>71086896
ビザ?なにそれ?おいしい?

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>>71087306
ふざげんな、食事を出してぐれ

>>71087306
>ビザ?なにそれ?おいしい?
緑刺。フリードン味です。

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もうーーー自分自身でーーなんてーーーー

Is there a deck for practicing counters and verb conjugation?

I'm so terrible at it when I actually try to speak.

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クソの平凡野郎、週末にみな出かけたり、自分の彼女とデートしたり、寄り添ったり。。。

>>71091439
あたいも昼からデートなのよw
楽しみ~

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>>71091637
死ね

>>71091863
イヤだ

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>>71092510
お前には選挙があると思ってるのか、笑わせないで

俺が来日してお前を見つけると自分で殺してやる、この画像の顔で

>>71092683
やれるもんならやってみろ

is it hontou that it's illegal for japanjins to look at their partner's genitals without blurry vision goggles?

>>71092751
いつかお前は夢中に道路を歩いていると後を振り返ろうとして、そしてバンッと脳があちこちに飛んでくる

>>71092996
あっそう
頑張れー

>>71092920
Banter aside, is it a crime to video-conference your peepee? Nah, you probably can't distribute the material inside Japanese territory, but being forbidden to even carry it would make it rather tricky for porn studios.

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I understand what he's trying to say here, but why does he use いつもと? What use does the と have here?

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SHinitaku natte kita

日本語はとてもじゃないが無理です

>>71093670
i think he misspelled いもうと

>>71093670
それで合ってるよ

>>71093670
That's the phrase like 〜と変わらない and 〜と違う

いつもと変わらない
That's not different from the usual
私は他の人と違う
I'm different from others

こんなくだらない言語早く諦めてみんなで中国語を勉強しよう
たのしいよ

Any good Nico streams, fellows

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>>71095601
これが中国

My reviews in the last 3 days were awful. I'm at only 300 cards on Anki and I feel like shit. I'm afraid I might quit in the next few days.

Have you guys had moments like this? Did it get better?

>>71095831
酷い

>>71095989
Yeah though I'm not sure as early as 300 cards. How many are you doing per day? It's going to get harder but you'll also get better at it.

>>71095831
たしかに中国の営業はそんなものかもしれないそれは認める
だが、営業は商業には興味なから俺には関係がない

中国人の女性と結婚してアメリカに幸せな生活を送る、それだけ

>>71095989
If youre retention is lower than 80, slow down to 10 words a day and do some kanji study (writing out on paper, learning stroke order, learning radicals, etc). Then when your retention goes up a bit go back up to 20 a day or so

If your retention is already like 85% or something then just stop being a pussy and keep going.

>>71095989
what do you mean by 300 cards? did you just start using anki? are you using a premade deck or self made decks? are you having problems with retention or just high daily load?

>>71095378

Thanks friend

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>>71081776
させる
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%95%E3%81%9B%E3%82%8B

られる 1
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%82%89%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B%281%29

られる 2
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%82%89%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B%282%29

Ankified version of the page:
https://dojgdeck.neocities.org/
https://mega.nz/#F!2g5gHISQ!RIYvs3pHnsX1ibK3yBRvxQ

>>71096154
Well, actually 350 cards, I just realized I didn't count up everything (including mature and buried). I'm only doing 10 new words per day (20 cards).
>>71096476
I'm already doing only 10 words a day ;_; I've always been horrible at memorization... Though, the day in particular where I fucked up the worst, I technically had like 85% retention rate, but it was ALL cards I had learned in the last couple days. As if I had spaced out and not learned anything at all for days on end.
>>71096586
I started something like 20 days ago, using a modified version of the core10k. (I wrote a script to improve part of speech data)

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>>71092223
「漢」という字から読み方でしょうか
ワロタ

>>71093782
I'm pretty sure majority of the people think that order should be 無理<とても無理<とてもじゃないが無理

As for English, "quite a few" always makes me fucked up.

I finished both Genki books and now I don't know what to do. I only know around 300 kanji and my reading is still really slow.

Today we will cover ら、り、る、れ、ろ and ラ、リ、ル、レ、ロ.
The reason I use la, li, lu, le, lo as opposed to the standard Hepburn romanisation of ra, ri, ru, re, ro is because the Japanese ラ、リ、ル、レ、ロ is closer in sound to the English L than the English R. It will also come in handy when you start encountering リャ・lya、リュ・lyu、リョ・lyo, which are very difficult to pronounce using the English R.

In English, a 'la' sound is pronounced by placing the tongue on the back of the teeth and retracting it when opening the mouth to make the sound. The English 'ra' sound is made by curling the tongue back in the mouth, while pushing out the sound. The Japanese ラ is half way between the English La and Ra sound. The tongue does not touch the back of the teeth, but rather the roof of the mouth and is not curled back. If you listen closely, the Japanese ラ sounds like an English La with the rolling R sound. The issue with using ra, ri, ru, re, ro, as pronounced in English is that certain words like 竜神・りゅうじん・Dragon King become distorted and sound more like Roojin or Rowjin, when it should sound more like liyuujin.

ら and ラ are derived from 良い・よい・リョウ・good. You know how we talked about the ra vs la sound for ラ in Japanese? Well, in old Chinese 良い was pronounced as /*[r]aŋ/, which later developed into /lɨɐŋ/ in Middle Chinese and liáng in Modern Chinese. You can see this evolution from the ra sound to the la sound. You will be aware of On and Kun readings of Japanese, but there is another reading called Nanori'Yomi. Nanori refers specifically to person and place names, one of the Nanori readings of 良い is ラ, so if you see it in a name, that may be how it is read. A good way to remember ラ is to think of the Russian Я (ya), because ラ kinda looks like Я, but in reverse. If you flick the ら upside down it looks a little like an R.

>>71093782
とてもじゃないけど無理 is close to どうしてもじゃないけど無理.

"Can you lend me some money?"
"N-no, I can't."
"Why can't you do it? Are you penniless?"
"I'm not penniless, but I can't lend you some money."
無一文じゃないけど無理。

That is to say, the first denied thing shows a double negative of physically impossible, and actually he denies a request in his own will completely.
That shows his strong refusal intention.
Therefore I guess that とてもじゃないけど/どうしてもじゃないけど shows the factor except for his will.

Incidentally, this is what the most "impossible" is.
"I want to lend you some money, but I have no money."

だから(依頼者から見た)無理度は、ある意味以下で合ってると思います。
無理 < とてもじゃないが無理 < 実際の無理
しかし返答者の意志は以下である可能性が高いと思います。
無理 < 実際の無理 < とてもじゃないが無理

I sometimes have a fun for explaining for Japanese rather than foreigners in such a issue.
sorry that was such a long comment.

異論反論認めます。(罵倒以外で)

first of all, どうしてもじゃないけど doesn't make sense. I cannot remember the last time I could say in a that weird way

>>71098508
sure it makes sense

>どうしても一人で行くって言うんなら止めることはできない
>「どうしても」じゃないけど、...

「どうしても」というほどではないが、something something

If I start study right now will I be able to pass N3 by the end of the year?

>>71098692
Depends how smart you are :^)
No but seriously it depends on how much effort you put in.

>>71098714
I am really determinated about this.

>>71098660
nah it doesn't work as adverbial function that directly affects adjectives.{in this case, 無理(だ) is an Adjectival noun.}

どうしてもじゃないけど無理 sounds like "it's impossible for me ANYWAY!" not like "QUITE/FAIRLY impossible for me"

>>71098794
Probably for the December exam. N3 isn't nearly as hard as N2 or N1 and you "only" need to know about 700-800 kanji. Get crackin'.

>>71098880
first of all, your personal matter of 'I haven't heard such a expression.' that can be solved.

let's google it
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q="とてもじゃないけど"
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>>71098122
日本語でおk
とはいってももういくつかの説明をよんでいるし、それでもやはり釈然としないということは、僕に期待を持たせません
で、その「無一文じゃないけど」は画像の「たわし」「いたち」とやらの例文と同じものにしかきこえませんが
どうやら「迚も」を「無一文」「いたち」のように名詞扱いしているようですけど
それがわかったところで「迚も」という「名詞」の意味は、ネイティブではない僕に全くピンと来ません
「どうしても」を名詞とは言えないし
とにかく例の文について主に困らせているのは、なんで「じゃないけど」という否定の言葉があるのか、それにその「じゃないけど」は何を否定してるのか、という問題です


僕の日本語で通じたのかな

>>71098880
yeah it has to be like my example, it's not a general thing like とてもじゃないけど

I was just saying that it does make sense (although not in the situation discussed)

>>71098920
you seem to not have read my last post properly.

>>71098888
>N3 isn't nearly as hard as N2 or N1 and you "only" need to know about 700-800 kanji

If the number of kanji is relevant at all then it means you have crippled yourself by basing your study methods far too much on the test and not on what actually makes you learn japanese.

It's possible to get really far in a year, but not if you block yourself out of native material by not learning more than 1000 kanji.

>>71098660
The thing is, とてもではないが does not mean 「とても」というほどではないがInstead, conventionally it's supposed to stress the とても even more.
I can't really wrap my head around that.

>>71098974
Look at my flag anon, I know more kanji than most Japanese people ever will. I'm just saying that a lot of people seem to think that kanji is one of the hardest parts to get down pat while 'rushing' Japanese, as the Russian lad is.

>>71098986
oh yeah it's that bullshit thing

>>71098926
「とてもじゃないけど」は、やはり「とても無理というわけではないけれど」から来る言葉でしょうね。
ネイティブは「とてもじゃないけど」という単語自体に「到底無理」のイメージを既に先に持っているので、私もやはり語源の由来を正確にイメージすることはできません。
あくまで調べた上での推測です。

自分が使う場合を考えると、「可能不可能を考える以前に無理」という主張をしたいときに使うと思います。
本来は断る理由を明確に言えればそれを言います。「私は明日は東京に帰ってしまうので残念ながらパーティには出席できません」

「昨日徹夜なんだ。とてもじゃないけど無理」←このような場合に使います。言ってみれば相手への気遣いの少し欠けた言い訳にようなものだと思います。

言い訳に*
言い訳の

>>71098999
will I get a gf if I learn chinese?

>>71099093
>「とてもじゃないけど」は、やはり「とても無理というわけではないけれど」から来る言葉でしょうね。
That's a pretty decent omission. At that rate the expression will end up being something like 「とってんじゃが」

>>71099165
I think that is hiroshima dialect. :)

>>71099120
You'll get a gf if you're a charming man.

>>71099165
doubt it literally came from that exact phrase, I think he just means it came from a family of longer phrases that all have that approximate meaning

>>71099093
気遣いを含めた言い方とも聞いていますけど
「とてもかくてもなんていうものではない」の省略形だとうのは未だ一番納得のいく説です
やっぱ調べれば調べるほど有耶無耶になる

>>71099263
だというのは*

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>>71099211
お好み焼き!

>>71099263
「とても」の昔の語源ですね。 :D

>「とありてもかくありてもと申す訳では御座らぬが」
こんな表現を想像していた人もいるようです。

結局は拒否する理由が無いことを先に言い訳しながら、
言いたいことは「絶対無理」となる表現ですね。
でも例えば仕事の話でこの返事をされたら、普通に「可能性あり」と考えますよ。
だって物理的な理由が無いのだから。交渉の余地があります。

ただ相手は明らかに嫌がっていますね。^^

>>71099376
でもそんな説明をつけると、なんでそれで「とても」が強調されているかはまだ不明瞭です
あまり使われていないようだが「じゃないが」を落としてただ「とても無理だ」というのもある、しかしそれが「とてもじゃないが無理」ほど強烈ではないと言われるとしっくり来ません。
しかたないかな。とりあえず積極的に「とてもじゃないが」を絶対的拒否の言葉と思うようにします

>>71099646
AはBではないがCという比較表現が現代で問題なく通じてるいるし、AはCであると言いたい場合において強調あるいは婉曲的な文脈で使われることからみても、自分は不自然さを感じないかな

ちなみに"とても無理"も問題なく通じるし特別珍しい表現なわけじゃないよ

>>71099646
まあ casual languageですよね。
少し俗語です。

「到底無理です」の曖昧表現^^

私の説明を読んでくれてありがとう。

おじさんがよく使いそうな言葉だ→「とてもじゃないが無理だー」

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>>71099294

> AはCであると言いたい場合において強調あるいは婉曲的な文脈
例を提示してください

前にも見たことがあるけど
今回調べたきっかけというと偽物語第3話で神原が早速使ったからだ

ま、そんなキャラだったよな

「とてもじゃないが僕一人じゃ相手できないぞ」

こんな感じのやつかな。
ああ、確かに「絶対無理だとは言ってないけど無理だ」の内容だ。
この後の展開は
・そう言いながらも全部一人で倒す
・逃げる
の二つが考えられる。

>>71100214
結局どう使ってもいいってことか

>>71100269
自分の大変さのアピールだからね。
大げさなのかもしれないし、本当なのかもしれない。

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>>71099875

>グレートブリテンのお好み焼きのない

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グレートブリテンと言うんだけど
そんなにグレートなのかな

~とまでは言わないが ~と言う程でもないがみたいに言い換えられる文脈においての話ね

結局、Bではないが~の部分はAはCであるという命題においてAがどの程度Cであるのかを述べるような働きをする(ことがある)

ただA=C、B≒Cという関係性だけわかればいい文章を作るなら
・AはCである
・BはCではない/CはBではない
を二つ並べるなり、"AはBではないCである。"とでもすればいい。"が"はいらない

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>>71100469
ロンドン風お好み焼き

>>71100536
"が"はいらないならそもそも全然違う話をしているだろう

> B≒C
「≒」 is not 'not equal' but 'nearly equal'

∴ BはCではない is wrong.
that's all

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> great britain

>>71100769
問題があるかい?

>>71100643
最初に述べたのは"ではないが"がどのように働くかについての説明で、"が"がない場合と比較したのは単なる補足をしただけだよ。

>>71100690
yeah that was typo

それに「とても」はそもそも名詞ではないことを悟っていると・・・「では”じゃないが”は何を否定しているのか」という疑問は揺るぎなく残っている。
何かを「とてもである」というのは意味不明なはずだし

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>>71100881
ないよ。

>>71100945
I think that makes no sense because those are not sentences but mathematical formula.

>>71101108
Well, it does make sense
A=C
AはCである。
B≠C
BはCではない。
これだけ知って、
Aは「CではないB」である。と言い換えられます(圧縮できます)
でも確かに、日常的会話においては「何かを何かである」と言うのは存外珍しいことです
それより「AはBという範疇に該当する」等の意味の発言が多い

this analysis is kinda useless though and has nothing to say about とてもじゃないが~ない

>>71101488
えっと、、
Aは「BではないC」である*

>>71101488
if there were some more common Japanese who think about their own language Japanese,
they could say about that problem more.
It is just like these.
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1164515556
http://q.hatena.ne.jp/1162971229

Actually, I also don't have no image.
省略語はある程度イメージできる。
Though unfortunately there are not other people who know that at all.

that is quite wrong.

私の回答は無かったことにしてよいよ。
日本人は日本語を一生考察しながら生きている。
何十年たっても否定と再構築を繰り返す。
それをしたことがない者がむしろ断言して説明する。
ただそれが通じないのでは、絶対に説明は不可能。

重っ

>>71100959
>とてもである
結局これも聞き手がとても(無理)であると置き換えて読める文脈ならアリと言えばアリになってしまうような。ラノベの中の語り口としてありそう。むしろ"とてもとても。"ってよく聴く台詞だ

>>71101108
I told you that was a typo. that should be ≠, not ≒. shit, I almost did the same mistake. converting イコール is quite troublesome

日本人なんだから「とてもじゃないが」の元になる文なんて当然誰でもある程度はイメージできる。
職場の人間が2,3人集まればすぐに考察はできる。
たったそれだけの内容が出来る者が、ここにわずかすらいないだけの話。

軽すぎる話を重くしてる方が問題

古文や古代の詩歌の表現は英語やフランス語より遥かに難しいんだ。
それを簡単に答えが出せるなんて誰も思ってない。
自然か不自然かだけで言葉を判断するのは大間違いだ。

誰でもある程度イメージできるのならどうしてネットでは、誰の説明文を読んでも釈然としませんかね
考察はできるなら考察して皆の意見を合わせてくれ
問題は僕自身ではないはずです。既にこれだけの日本語を理解できるようになってきたし。

布 右
Why do these two have different stroke order on first two strokes?
Is there some principle or a special rule to know or should I just memorize 布 as an exception?

>>71102661
They don't though.
左 starts from the left-to-right stroke because its third stroke is also left-to-right.
右 and 布 start from the top-to-bottom stroke because their third strokes are also top-to-bottom.

>>71102734
Holy shit
K
Thank you

>>71097314
>buried
Unbury them.

On your retention rate, read >>>/jp/16554743

You can always try and go the RTK way, with mnemonics that solidify your knowledge of a given kanji.
Try learning 5 a day, there are RTK decks if I'm not mistaken. If you have the time, though, 10 would be good.

>>71102644
言語は論理的なようであんま論理的じゃない部分もあるからね…。基本的な文法でさえ学者によって意見が違っていたりするし。人間の言語機能の奥底は、まだまだ未解明な人間の脳機能とつながってるから当然といえば当然なのかもしれないが。

>>71062045
それは私の性癖だ

>>71065229
Which version of the deck are you using?

偽物語って伊勢物語を文字ってるんだな。
> 西尾維新
ラノベとかを書く人は多かれ少なかれ歴史好きが多いように思われる。

Incidentally, 文字ってる is a Japanese natural phrase, but that is wrong Japanese.

Anybody ever feel kind of hopeless? I'm always meeting people learning but I never meet anybody who would say that they have successfully "learned" the language to a functional extent. It's frustrating and makes me wonder if I'll ever succeed at this sort of thing.

>>71106058
Go and learn English.

>>71106058
That's because they all use dumb learning methods i.e. not reading compelling content.

>>71106058
>Anybody ever feel kind of hopeless?
Only for around the past 29 years of my life.
>I'm always meeting people learning but I never meet anybody who would say that they have successfully "learned" the language to a functional extent.
That's a pretty shit feeling. The only two people I've known IRL to have taken up any language, which also happened to be Japanese; one of them was motivated for a few months but took the class route, slowly and gave up once hitting the reality of native content whereas the feel out of physical contact and didn't like the idea of routinely studying or reading and gave up recently with the reasoning that they'd rather just give up on languages and read translations.

>It's frustrating and makes me wonder if I'll ever succeed at this sort of thing.
The odds are highly stacked against you with Japanese but hey, you're in a better position than the majority by being apart of these threads and having access to resources and anons.

I was thinking of getting the 新完全マスター books. Are they any good?

>>71106175
Go away Irfan

>>71106227
Got a point. Too many time-wasting bullshit methods out there, that's how you get those guys who learn on-and-off for almost a decade and don't get fucking anywhere.

>>71106058
I'm 6 years in and i have the feeling that I'll reach my goal of being a somewhat fluent speaker when I reach 10

>>71106350
Have a look yourself and see, there are a bunch of them in pdf form in the CoR. Search for " Shin Kanzen Master".
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html

>>71106322
>>71106416
What is it about Japanese that makes it such a pain in the ass to wrap your head around? I've heard of guys studying for years who can't even read shonen manga after all is said and done. Honestly, the only successful person I know who's studied Japanese is a Finn.

Does anyone have an example of handwritten kana made by a regular person?
Google only gives stuff from people who practice calligraphy.

>>71106645
the grammar is a pain in the ass though but the kanji are really holding one back

if you could start reading japanese right from the start it wouldn't be half as bad

>>71102644
何様?

とてもじゃないが彼に説明は無理だ。
今のこの感覚がわからないのだから。

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Man, I really hate the suspense... when you do 87 cards with only 1 mistake, you expect the whole session to go by with 3 or 4 mistakes in total, but then BAM, 8 mistakes within only 14 correct answers.

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>>71106731
You'll have to be creative, finding anything "normal" in Google images is really tough in any language, since stock photos and niche blogs take over top results.

I tried googling 中学生宿題 and got this picture.

>>71106645
The use of characters, the "oriental" culture association, the whole world war 2 thing? I don't know, those are what I can think of may be issues for Australians. It's a nation full of fucking normalfags who are surrounded by English speaking natives and those with second language backgrounds, all of which the generally held conviction is "learn English or fuck off". We don't really have a whole lot of language exposure outside of English unless you grew up with immigrant parents or something.
For the language itself, I'm sort of at the point where it isn't really a pain to get your head around as much as it is a pain to constantly look up words. Still feel like a beginner but can not longer really feel in touch with beginner beginners and so the grammar and kanji don't seem screwy. Maybe Japanese is like one of those foods you have to eat 20 times before it becomes delicious as opposed to heaps of other languages where you only have to try them two or three times.

>>71106887
>if you could start reading japanese right from the start it wouldn't be half as bad
Is there really any language you can read right off from the start? People joke about being able to understand more Spanish than Japanese without studying Spanish but those languages look like a thick jungle of letters to me. Then again there isn't any underlying content compelling me to care about Spanish, etc.

>>71106731
http://sato-hisseki.com/comment.html
http://www8.plala.or.jp/sea-la/tower/didfile/pen-index.htm
This sort of thing?

>>71107270
It could just be my imagination, but I have noticed sometimes that anki seems to save the hardest cards till the end.

>>71107644
I have noticed this as well. I don't know exactly what makes them the hardest (maybe they're recently learned cards?).

>>71107419
>People joke about being able to understand more Spanish than Japanese
Why would that be a joke? It's way easier to relate to Spanish due cognates, writing system and cultural aspects.

I don't speak a single word of Russian, but, had I not studied Japanese either, I would fare better in Russian, since there are lots of recognizable words in it. Point in case, here's the first paragraph about Japanese in Russian, transliterated:

口Yapónskiy yazýk yazyk 口yapontsev i 口fakticheski gosudarstvennyy yazyk 口Yaponii, so spornym 口sistematicheskim polozheniyem sredi drugikh yazykov. Chislo svobodno govoryashchikh — okolo 140 口millionov chelovek, rodnoy dlya 125 口mln (9-y v mire). 口Geneticheskiye svyazi 口yaponskogo yazyka ne do kontsa vyyasneny. Vydelyayutsya dva sloya 口leksiki, odin iz kotorykh imeyet 口paralleli v altayskikh yazykakh, drugoy — v 口avstroneziyskikh yazykakh; veroyatneye, iskonen 口altayskiy sloy. Obladayet 口original'noy pis'mennost'yu, sochetayushchey 口ideografiyu i slogovuyu 口fonografiyu. Po 口grammaticheskomu stroyu — 口agglyutinativnyy s preimushchestvenno 口sinteticheskim vyrazheniyem 口grammaticheskikh znacheniy.

口 - somewhat recognizable words.

>>71108008
Now, let's do the opposite, Russian in Japanese:

口Roshiago wa, 口Indo 口yōroppa gozoku no suravugoha azuma 口suravu-go-gun ni zokusuru gengo. Ro-go-tomo ryakusa reru. 口Roshia renpō no kō yōgo. 口Roshia renpō no kokugo hyōki ni wa, kiriru moji o shiyō suru. Kin'en no gengo ni 口Ukuraina-go to 口berarūshi-go ga aru. 口Roshiago wa 口yōroppa de mottomo bogo washa ga ōi gengodeari, bogo washa-sūde wa sekai de 8-banme ni ōku, dainigengo no washa-sū mo fukumeru to sekai de 4-banme ni ōi. Kokusai rengō ni oite wa, eigo, 口furansugo, chūgokugo, 口Supeingo, 口Arabia-go to narabu, muttsu no kō yōgo no 1tsudearu.

Only names are recognizable, no vocabulary whatsoever to give you a north.

>>71108008
>It's way easier to relate to Spanish due cognates, writing system
Relation is not comprehension.
>and cultural aspects
Aside from the fact that we all eat, shit, sleep and fuck, there isn't really all that much cultural similarity between Spanish speaking countries and Australia, for example.

>口 - somewhat recognizable words.
That's incredibly misleading, though. What you think you may recognise, that is, map to your language, doesn't give reliable insight into what they actually mean, how they are used and what they are communicating in that context. A language is not just words.
>Only names are recognizable, no vocabulary whatsoever to give you a north.
It's really the same as the above, only you have a sense of false confidence.
I'm seeing this situation as really no different to those who come into Japanese and think they hear a bunch of "English sounding" or "Japanese pronunciations of English words" and fall into the same trap, thinking they understand something when in reality they have a very different idea of what is actually being discussed.

>>71107682
Every card has a value called "ease" assigned to it, based on how you tend to answer when it comes up. This mainly affects how future spacing is calculated, but it could also in theory be used to change the order of cards on any given day.

>>71107644
Anki presents cards that have been waiting the longest first. This means mature cards in practice.

>>71108293
>there isn't really all that much cultural similarity
You are the product of European culture, and so are Spain and Latin America.

And I know for a fact cognates help, since I read a book in French without knowing a single thing about its grammar before diving into it. What started as gibberish in the first 10 pages became over 80% comprehension by the end of the book, at least narratively speaking.

I can already tell in the Russian paragraph that the term "yazyk" refers to language.
"-skiy" is an adjectivation suffix, since it shows up in "Yapónskiy" and "altayskiy".

I might be wrong on that, but further reading will prove me wrong or right in the long run, that's how lots of people learn Japanese here.
The difference being you need some base to even begin doing it in Japanese, while "Western" languages can be bruteforced to some extent.

>>71095601
> east korean, chinese with US flag

white pig go home

>>71109522
They will. Once they make sure that japanese women will get their piglets

I need to expand my superlative vocabulary. Post your best ones. I'm tired of using とても all the time.
Also another question, can I say たいへんに詰まらない, or do I need a verb at the end to use taihen in that way?

>>71110168
in addition to that, there are also はなはだ、非常に, and so on.

たいへんにつまらない物ですが is an expression of modesty for my own present.

>>71110576
Thank you.
What about かなり and 特に, are they good to use as well?

>>71110981
you're welcome
かなり can be used.
I think 特に has a delicate difference from others.
it is a kind of meaning of 'particularly'.

many samples are here.
http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%A8%E3%81%A6%E3%82%82
this is used for us to write a document.

>>71107419
>>71107351
Yup, thanks.
It's hard to know if i'm doing alright when the only comparison are computer fonts.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQKObazs51U
If anyone's looking for listening practice I recommend giving these spook stories a try. The slow and kind of halting speaking style they have should fit intermediate learners well

>早くも誘拐犯と対決か
What mean と in this sentence?

it may be "to fight against"

>>71114736
thank

here is someone's forecast example.
https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/465532.html

I'm not ruthless, but I can't do it.
「薄情者」ではないけど、できないよ。
he guesses this may be similar to way.
ex.)「医者」じゃないけど、薬持ってきたよ。
「警察」じゃないけど、泥棒捕まえたよ。

「とても」 is a word of refusal.
for example, 「いえ、とてもとても」

It may be that these are mixed.
”とても”じゃないけど、日本語はくだらなくて(?)出来ないよ

>>71110168
Core has given me so many I start to forget them. Especially the onomatopoeic ones.
大分 大勢 雄大 超 目茶 非常 異常 殊に 散々に 特別に。。。
すっかり てきぱき どっさり がくん とげとげ。。。
Lots of these can be used to emphasize only for specific things, like "sharply decrease", but wouldn't work with "I'm sharply sad today".
I see no problem with keeping basic ones like totemo and takusan under your belt, unless you're already at a point where you can add flavor to your writing, case in which you should have a richer vocabulary in all aspects, not only intensifiers.

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>>71110168
the words means "coolest" or "most awesome" ;
すごくいい、ものすごいくいい、とてつもなくいい、どえらい、あっぱれ and so on
>>71110981
かなり means better implying "not the best"
example;
かなり良くなったが、まただ
特に means "specially"/"peculiarly"
example;
他と比較して、特に良い

and 特

自分達は今までの、ノイズだらけの、しかもきちんと伝わっているか絶対に確認し得ない言語によるコミュニケーションを、古くさい方法にすることが出来るんだ!

This sentence is way too fucking long. "We, up until then, were full of noise, further, communicating with language meant we couldn't be sure if we understood what was being said, we could be done with this old fashioned method."

What does ending a clause with の do? Also, I don't understand how the last part works.

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>>71114925
you must say
「”とても”じゃないけど、君に日本語は難しすぎる」
It's quite difficult for you to understand Japanese
とても(迚も)は特殊な副詞で「とてもかくても」=by any means
ex;
「迚も固くてオマンコらいれられない」「お前らかgf迚をもつのは、とても無理」
肯定形では「とても」は「非常に」に通じるが、この場合ふby all means" のようなnuanceが元の意味。今は形式化していめ

>>71115872
Both those の modify コミュニケーション.
We can make the current noisy, unrealiable language-driven form of communication a thing of the past!

>>71115872
自分達は今までのコミュニケーションを古くさい方法にすることが出来る
We can change a recent way of communication into old way.
→We create new way of that.

the attributes of コミュニケーション is as follows.
"今までの and ノイズだらけの and しかも言語による"
※読点 is used for additional words

the attributes of 言語 is as follows.
"きちんと伝わっているか絶対に確認し得ない"

though, in that story, I think that people believe the machine too much.
at the time of separating between each people's mind, they should doubt the machine's ability.

How does sentences like this work?
デンマーク人の友達のキャスパーさん
I can handle two のs, but three I don't get.

>>71117577
Danish friend Casper. What exactly don't you get? "Nos" aren't always possessives, check it out:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/の#Particle_3

>>71117985
thanks!

I'm meeting some Japanese friends today but I'm bringing a friend who doesn't speak Japanese, how best can I accomodate the situation so he doesn't get left out in a sea of Japanese and I can still practice.

全体は5人

>>71118169
Just tell him クソ外人くたばれ

>>71098999
Are Chinese kanji as complicated as Japanese? Do they have multiple readings/meanings?

>>71117577
But that's only 2 のs.

>>71118508
They're the same kanji for the most part, some of them evidently evolved differently from Tang-Song counterparts. 図 ー 图 for example. Simplified versions if the kanji has one looks different but most Chinese can read both anyway.
Yes, but not like Japanese and fewer, some of them just have multiple readings flat out like 觉 Jue2 or 觉 Jiao4
Yes, more than Japanese for the most part.

>>71118701
What Is the number of kanji you need in Chinese?

Like for Japanese it is suggested 2000.
Is simplified actually easier? It seems to me like the same effort is required and the same number of characters just less eye strain.

>>71102856
>Unbury them.
They get unburied on their own once I finish reviewing similar cards, right? Why would I do it myself?

>>71118894
>simplified actually easier
To kids because there's fewer strokes to memorize. Simplifed only affects a few common words and certain radicals like the Kin-radical. In my opinion (since I'm native) it doesn't make a huge difference. Looks slightly uglier though.

>what is the number
The counterpart to Jouyou is 通用規範漢字表 which has 8000 characters. You need to know at least 5000 to qualify for basic literacy, 6500 is 'common' (in that you'll recognize pretty much all common characters). Most kids in University know at least 10 000, people in non-science studies will break 20 000 easily.

>>71118974
No, they stop being shown, unless you've set your Anki settings to "just tag" leeches.
Be sure to mark this option, then browse your deck for leeches and unmark them so they get back to the review heap.

If you do this, any future leech will be just cosmetic, so don't worry about them.

>>71119184
Does learning simplified make learning traditional much harder later in life? Like learning to drive automatic versus standard first, then switching?

In Japanese, hiragana is used to adjust grammar, is there a similar system for Chinese, some characters being used very commonly or very rarely? Or even some used strictly for grammatical purpose?

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Can someone please transcribe this? Thanks!

>>71119363
>Does learning simplified make learning traditional much harder later in life?
No it's the same system with different characters and they look similar anyway.

>Or even some used strictly for grammatical purpose?
There's a few that are used for grammar purposes or shit like "ah" or "hmmm" or "che" but those are just modified with a 口-radical. Most of the other grammatical ones like 了 had other meanings that are deprecated.

Japanese productions such a fucking pain in the ass I have zero motivation to practice

>>71119668
i think it says 冒魚

>>71119668
昏黒

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わたしどうやっては日本の女得る???

>>71119965
右クリック > セーブ

>>71119901
Thank you!

>>71119965
金さえあれば何でも出来る

>>71119682
I've always thought it an advantage to Chinese to learn Japanese, but I have two classmates who are constantly getting kanji meanings mixed up because some are completely different. They basically have to relearn all the readings as well, I guess it's kind of like learning the English katakana words, sometimes it's so shortened and distorted that it hardly resembles the original.

Are you learning Japanese? Is it easier knowing characters? Would it be easier to transfer kanji knowledge to learning Japanese?

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>>71120061
Learn how to look up kanji yourself in future please

>>71120124
>mixed up
...most of them are exactly the same though. And the on readings are basically the same as the Ming readings, or if you're lucky enough to be from Shanghai.
Yes, of course you can, it's better than learning from scratch.

>>71120183
>>71120061
Get kanji recognizer app. You can just draw them on your phone and save yourself searching through radicals.

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>>71116970
>>71116798
We can make a conventional communication by languages , that is full of noise, having used until now the method by which we were not able to know whether it was understood properly what we wanted to say, be an old-fashioned method!!
「今までの」and「ノイズだらけの」are apposition with "きちんと伝わっているか絶対に確認し得ない言語による" , they all modify コミュニケーション

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>>71120183
You see, I tried, but I'm not good at looking for radicals. I even tried the google recognition, but I couldn't find anything either. It doesn't help that my hands are shaky and I can't draw with my mouse.

>>71120263
Do you know one? For looking up words I use Takoboto, but it only allows you to search with radicals.

>>71120525
Ah fair enough, maybe do a radical deck in anki or some shit? They help and take barely any time

You can also use Kanjitomo and it'll let you mouse over kanji on your screen and detect them

Does this make Sense?

廊下に立たされた生徒。
The student that was forced to stand in the hallway

>>71120525
It's actually called Kanji Recognizer.

It works pretty good if you draw the strokes nicely.

>>71120670
No, it's a sentence fragment. Because "that was forced to stand in the hallway" applies as a descriptive phrase to student, your sentence is basically just a subject. You need a verb/object for it to make sense, like "The student that was forced to stand in the hallway is fat."

>>71120595
>maybe do a radical deck in anki or some shit?
Yeah, I'll do this, and download Kanjitomo. It seems useful.

>>71120767
>if you draw the strokes nicely
Right now I can't. Maybe I'll practice it. Thanks anyway.

>>71120525
I think the next question becomes, why are you asking for words to be transcribed when you don't even know radicals?
In this particular case it's not even an issue of knowing them, since you missed the 氏 on the same row as your 日. I hope you knew 黒, if not then you're really approaching this sideways.

>>71120817
No I mean let's say I'm describing a person and say that would it make sense?

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>draw the strokes nicely

google takes it rough

>>71120867
>Right now I can't. Maybe I'll practice it. Thanks anyway.
Its a resource, I find it easier than using a mouse to draw or sifting through radicals.

You don't need correct order either which is nice if you didn't know.

>>71120817
You see that kind of thing used as a stand-alone sentence all the time, though.

>>71121081
Maybe in Brazil you do.

>>71120907
>why are you asking for words to be transcribed
Because I like to use rikaichan to see what they mean. I already knew 黒, but decided to keep it in the image because why not.

>>71120999
>You don't need correct order either
That's pretty good. I just tested the app, and it's useful, even with my shaky hands. Thanks.

>>71120979
Is that what you were going for?

>>71121292
obviously

>>71121133
I didn't know the average eroge writer was Brazilian. Fascinating!

>>71118648
i meant three nouns
but you know that already so why even say it?

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>>71119965
>わたし

What is your criteria for pressing hard vs again?

>>71110168
http://nihonshock.com/2009/11/stop-saying-totemo/

>>71122068
Hard: Took me a good few seconds to recall
Again: Didn't get it after 5 seconds or so

>>71122068
again if I forget completely or most of it
hard if I forget only a few bits or take too long to remember
good otherwise

The more you learn Japanese do you start to hate Chinese and or Koreans more?

Or is it just me? From going on too many Japanese sites and taking in too much Japanese media.

>>71122817
I think this is normal.
中国に死を!

>>71122817
I don't like the dindu nuffin japanese, but I don't like overly butthurt chinese or koreans either

>>71119682
>but those are just modified with a 口-radical
ABAJ!

Does simplification follow the same rules are calligraphy would?

>>71120124
>I guess it's kind of like learning the English katakana words, sometimes it's so shortened and distorted that it hardly resembles the original.
I can never get Internet right, fucking ーs and ッs.

>>71122817
Japan had to choice but to invade everyone. They were also drafted into an imperialistic army and lost their nationalism and influence.

Then Japanese were the real victims.

>>71124135
Table=テーブル

BUT it's coming from the English word table, it's no taaable, テブル should suffice.

And katakana Australia is an Obama-nation. I don't even wanna type it.