Is Germany gonna become the new global hegemon now that America

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No, China will

>>70988303
Germany can't afford to be the new global hegemon.

Their military's an underfunded mess run by a woman.

>>70988411
Nothing money can't fix.
We are seriously discussing getting nukes and a foreign legion right now. But if anything, we will use it to protect the rest of the EU to deepen integration and create a federation. Then we can talk about European hegemony.

The call for nuclear came from all kinds of the political spectrum. Even the social democrats and several left-leaning news outlets discussed it seriously.

>>70989352
If you do the foreign legion thing will there be a mountain detachment?

Because I'd love to get paid to climb the Alps, even if I had to drag an artillery piece up with me.

>>70989415
Probably. As far as I know, the wanted to use them for Jaeger units. Which means light infantry, mountain troops ant paratroopers.

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>>70988303
If Russia is in decline, why worry? Maybe, real worry is West's decline and that we manage things better?

nah, china is the only country on earth that can match the US when it comes to economy and military

i do hope more european countries will get nukes though, they're the only things that keep the eastern menace aka r*ssians in check

>>70989447
>>70989415

Opening the armed forces for EU citizens will be more likely, though. That way it could become the core of an EU army.

>>70989495
Gaaaay

>>70988303
are you seriously asking this

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>>70988303
once the Gottkanzler takes over

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>>70989352
It takes a lot of time and money to fix a military
You would need to abandon the puma if you wanted to have a decent IFV that the military can afford along with the fact that the leopards are horrendously outdated and due to be replaced in 2020 Germany also has no airforce and navy
The idea of bolstering a military that specialises in "expensive toys" is a joke

>>70989485
Putting the French force frappe under EU command in return for funding would be the best way. With additional EU funding, we can easily field a proper strategic component.

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>>70988303
No.

>>70988303
no

>>70989563
you don't even need to do that, france and eu are so deeply bound that you basicaly all have nukes for free.

>>70989485
>military
Nah.
>>70989460
>This is what Vladimirs tell themselves to sleep at night after their daily potato ration

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Im sure the German military will sweep up the mess made by the Americans

>>70989556
The Puma is a decent IFV, we just need more of them.
The leopard just needs an upgrade on the active protection part. The main components are still enough. Upgrading all Leopard 2 to a decent standard and then add a Leopard 3 to increase the numbers is the current approach.

Having small numbers of expensive, home built equipment is our way of preserving the necessary knowledge in our arms industry. Fielding huge numbers of old equipment doesn't suit our strategic needs.

>>70989568
73% suicidal people. fuck.

>>70989633
I know, the French offered to defend all EU members when necessary. But without British and American nukes, your forces just might be too small. And just asking you to defend everybody would be stupid.

>>70989568
That number is changing so fast right now as the left realizes that nobody except themselves will defend liberal values.

YOU THINK OUR COUNTRY'S SO INNOCENT

>>70989818
HELLO LEUDENAND MAGMUD DIS IZ MISDER ERDOGAN YOU ARE MOVING TO ANKARA TOMMORW EBIN
>Tommorow
LEUDENAND MAGMUD YOU PARTICIPATED IN NON FAKE COUB SO WE'RE GONNA GILL YOU EBIN KAKOESPISTEDDEDEDE

>>70989849
>And just asking you to defend everybody would be stupid.

Isn't it already the case right now though?

>>70989818
Same with the Finns. Turkic warrior gene confirmed.

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>>70989352
>German government
>spending money
I'M A BITTER CUNT IN A WHEELCHAIR AND THE BLACK ZERO IS HOLY

>>70990019
He knows too well what German interests are. If necessary, there will be money available. A lot.

Getting rid of our debt right now is a good idea since we don't have the increasing population anymore.

>>70989633
ok france got nukes

>>70989563
>>70989765
germany got administration and industry

>>70990009
latvia has minestompers

>>70989650
sweden has overpriced ifvs and saab fighters

funland has artillery and the will to fight

>>70989982
What the fuck does luxemburg bring to the table?

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First step is to reduce the amount of overlaps accross nations' defence industries. This frees assets to be diverted elsewhere.

Second we need a dedicated European military surveillance and intelligence gathering satellite(s). I believe this is already in the works.

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>>70989849
No country on earth would ever go on a conventional war against Europe at the moment. This is why nukes are so good, you just need a few of them to be a big guy. I do not see why Germany should invest more money on its army.
I also strongly believe that EU will never have an army of its own.
>>70989415
You can come in our legion if you want to, their para troops are based in corsica, which is like the Alps in the middle of the sea.

>>70990233
How do nukes help defend against non state actors? That's a highly simplistic way of viewing geo politics.

>>70990167
Getting rid of our debt now is stupid because you can take out loans with extremely low interest rates right now and do major investments that'll easily pay for themselves.

>>70990332
>non state actors
this is what i call non conventional war. Also non state actors will never invade a country in europe. Thinking like that you just need a strong conscription then.

>>70990018
yep.

>>70989896
lel

>>70990216
Germany, France and Italy share their satellites. Germany has radar, France optical and Italy thermal if I remember correctly.

>>70990334
You don't know how our debt works. We are using the low interest rates by restructuring our current debt. And money for investments with a return rate of greater than 1 are already done. The money available for these projects is just not used completely since planning is too slow. Just spending money on welfare and making everything look pretty is not a good investment, though.

>>70990546
>non state actors will never invade a country in europe
Where were you during the Ukraine crisis? using non-state actors against countries is now a common tactic since it works so well.

>>70988411
Merkel is done, the left-wing coalition is gonna force her out in a couple months

Germany currently doesn't have the will to create an army that could enforce itself globally.

This is getting VERY speculative, but if more countries break off from the EU in the next couple decades and the remaining countries are solidified beneath it, a German-led EU could try to do something like that. Or even a Germany bolstered by its status within a smaller but centralised EU.

>>70990546
What if all of a sudden, without ANY external interference, there are accusation that the Russian minority is being persecuted in the baltic states. Suddenly a separatist movement rises with this minority (of course with ABSOLUTELY no help from the outside) and they aim to secede from, say, Estonia and join Russia. All of a sudden this separatist political movement is now armed, and with leadership from pro-Kremlin military officials. Estonia refuse to secede any territory, or even allow greater autonomy to certain provinces, and accuses Russia of violating international sovereignty and interfering in internal affairs of Estonia. Russia retorts by claiming that Estonia is persecuting the Russian minority, and that they will do "whatever it takes" to ensure that the Russian nationals are free from harm. Suddenly, unidentified troops appear in Estonia. All sound familiar?

Now I'm not saying this to fearmonger, but I'm demonstrating how nukes in this instance would have absolutely no relevance to the crisis, despite it being a direct confrontation of a nation within NATO and the EU.

>>70988371
China is a shithole with a per capita GDP under $10,000.

>>70989352
I'm not sure how to feel about this. Germans aren't to be trusted with weapons.

>>70988303
Germany is, as it always was, too big for Europe and too small for the world.

>>70991589
You got a point here.
However i do not see how any state could succesfully end this kind of war. The russian minority in ukraine was barely a minority since USSR deported ukrainian for decades and colonized a large part of the country with russians.

>>70991589

Whatever happens, Russia can't take direct contact with Nato troops or else we'll all drown in the ensuing global shit storm.

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>>70991687
This. WHO knows what will happen when these pacifists will decide to purify the world again.

>>70990191
Luxumberg has a cute military history of friendship <3

>>70990191
>What the fuck does luxemburg bring to the table?
Lusitani gorilla fighters, the plight of Romans.

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>>70989460
>If Russia is in decline, why worry? Maybe, real worry is West's decline and that we manage things better?