Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1807

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ゲームはアップデートした後でもう動作できないようになちゃった。。。

本当につまらない時にも、死にたい

When I ask gaijins who learn Japanese the reason why they learn Japanese, they always answer it's not for anime. Why?

>>70964727
Denialism

>>70964727
Because they are insecure.
And they are actually interested in anime.

Tsundere weebs are the best to bully.

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>>70964727
>start by something due to Anime
do you want to get bullied?

>>70964727
I'm learning japanese because the last 3 anime/manga i saw/read had a fuckton of puns so i got mad and decided to learn the language as revenge.
I'm still trying to memorize Hiragana and Katakana, though.

Is japan a country racist?
Please a serious answer, i'm getting a scholarship

can you use 古典 when you want to talk about music classics like stuff from the 80s or some shit, or what do you say then

>>70966935
No. 古典 refers things from ancient ages.
一昔前の is good way to say that.

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>>70967097
教えてくれてありがとう、先輩

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WOAH, just read 60 pages of Yotsuba+ without getting stuck, checked the dictionary only once. Last time I attempted (2 years ago) it took me a good amount of hours and I had to check the vocabulary/sentence tables all the time.

>>70966902
If you look Brazilian/Peruvian, they can be depending on where you're settling, because they have their fair share of halfu immigrants coming back home several generations after and forming ghettos over there.

Should I be concerned that I'm getting mature cards wrong?
My correct rate is about 95% but when I see people here posting perfect retention rates for, and the fact that I have a pool of mature cards several hundred large- meaning even 5% represents several dozen terms, it's kind of alarming.

>>70964203
>tfw learning cs all day long
>still have to do my anki reps
I want to die.

>>70968822
You should be good as long as you're above 90%

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>>70968822
yes, you should feel very bad
you might as well drop japanese all together, this shit is unacceptable

>>70964203
I don't want to learn Japanese. If I were to learn Japanese it would ruin anime for me.

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>>70968822
drop anki

>>70969489
anime is ruined somewhere in your 20s anyway

>>70968822
Yeah you should honestly just commit suicide. You'll never be as good as a native. Natives of any language never forget words they've learned and they most certainly never use phrases like "what was the word for x again?".

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>>70969439
>>70969503
>>70969839
And with joy returned to my heart, I can safely retire to my bed.

Good night, DJT. Don't kill this thread too!

I've been reading more into grammar and one that that always confused me was the quoting particle. Mainly the interpreted quote, and what is actually being quoted and what isn't before. Is it just by context or are there given rules?

>>70966902
Yes.

>>70970335
It's by context

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ネコが飛び出す丸い入れ物

>read Hanahira
>don't get shit

Given this is the one people called incredibly easy, that was kinda disheartening.

>>70970564
Du bist alt.

>>70970564
Hanahira doesn't have easy grammar, it has no grammar! It's a trainwreck of sentence fragments and abbreviated slang. Try reading something that has complete sentences instead. Like NHK News Easy.

Disclaimer: I haven't read Hanahira. I'm basing my evaluation on screenshots of the game and conjecture.

>>70970715
Grammar seems to be my biggest issue, yeah. Vocab is something you can always look up but more complex sentences are lost on me.

I've tried a bit of NHK News Easy and shounen manga with furigana and found them more to my liking. I just want to get to a level where I'm not so frequently lost.

>>70971140
>I just want to get to a level where I'm not so frequently lost.
this may take a while though

>>70966228
Puns were part of the reason I started, too. I believe in you, anon.

>>70971164
How long are we talking on average?

>>70971307
better than my reason, I just want to bane post in nip speak.

>>70964727
I want to marry イモト

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>today i've finally reached the 1000 cards in 2k/6k
Feels good.

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>>70971856
おめでとう

Does anyone else using the core 6k or 10k sporadically have Anki "cut off" the first audio file that plays the word and start playing the sentence?

I have to press R to replay to hear the word, sometimes multiple times before it gets it right.

>>70972923
it was my receiver using optical waiting too long to kick in, probably due to conversion delay, so i change the input to PCM

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>>70971966
ありがとうございます。

>>70973005
>optical waiting
u wot?

>>70973173
Meant to select "using optical". Anyway, I'm not really sure what you're referring to.

>>70966228
>I'm still trying to memorize Hiragana and Katakana, though.

The worst part is the kanji. Kanji will fucking break you. Ready to memorize thousands of characters with slight variations between them?

>>70971856
I have 2.5k matures and other 2K+ on a custom deck.
It will takes me forever to reach the full 6k. :/

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>>70973412
>Just got done learning Hiragana and Katakana
>"Alright not too bad so far, what's n-"

>>70973412
To be honest, kanji are tough, but memorizing the most common radicals really helped me. It's not knowing that the 氵 in 湧 means "water" that helps me - desu, I've forgotten a lot of the explicit meanings - it's being able to split up the character into recognizable components 氵, マ, 田, and 力.

What it doesn't help at all with is kanji with eight dozen readings like 上 and 下. I haven't found a memorization aid for that besides brute force.

>>70974681
>desu
The word filter gets me every time.

Is following sentence ok? I have problems with particles, like to, o and de.

>Watashi wa kino tomodatchi to basu de gakkou ni ikimashita.

>>70974681
I need to study radicals. Did you just use the Anki deck in the guide, or another resource?

>>70974760
Use fucking kana/kanji

>>70974760
綿死は木の友脱着飛ばす出学校似生きました。
Kind of strange.

>>70974963
Remember the Kanji, book one, is good for getting used to kanji components. It can be done alongside whatever else you are doing.
It is kind of polarising in that some anons love it while some anons hate it.
There should be an Anki deck and pdf for the fifth edition (or maybe the sixth edition) in the CoR.

>>70975200
Im beginner

>>70974760
it's perfect, moomin-kun

>>70975359
So learn your kanas and stop using excuses

>>70975241
>>70974760

昨日、友達とバスで学校に行きました。・Yesterday, I went to school with the bus with my friend. Or I went to school with my friend with/using the bus.

Temporal nouns like 昨日 and 明日 are best used in this way and don't usually need particles.

As for the rest, just (sub-clause)(particle).

昨日、yesterday・友達と friend with・バスで bus using・学校に school to・行きました。went.

Simple.

>>70973208
you can use a bunch of different methods to get audio from your pc to a receiver, HDMI, RCA to 3.5mm jack and toslink(optical)
however optical has a conversion stage from digital to light then back
on top of the dolby digital compression conversion, the time adds up to a nasty startup delay
PCM is uncompressed therefore its only the optical delay

im probably wrong on the details, but PCM works, i don't know your particular speaker setup, just sharing a similar problem that i was having

>>70975386
>>70975412
Thanks

How do I type 九

Memrise says the kana is きゅう but when I type that the option for 九 never comes up?

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/djt/ i did something very bad.

because of reasons, i had to stop anki for a few days and came back to see 400 cards waiting for me from the 6k core deck

i tried over 3 days to do the cards while still being able to sleep between my job and college, but couldn't get it down below 300.

so this morning i just hit 'hard' on all them just to get the count back to a manageable 0 so i can 'start over again'

how fucked am i

>>70975891
Just tab more、it's there

>>70976184
Ah ok I found it, but it's paired up with another character, that will do though

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>>70976249
>Ah ok I found it, but it's paired up with another character, that will do though
That shouldn't be the case. Which IME are you using, Microsoft's or Google's? The former is dogshit and you should get Google's if you already don't have it.

>>70976484
I'm using Google's. When I typed kyuu it wasn't coming up.

Also I have a problem with Google's IME, I have to reinstall it every time I turn off my laptop, is this normal? Otherwise it doesn't appear in the toolbar at the bottom of my screen.

>>70976548
>Also I have a problem with Google's IME, I have to reinstall it every time I turn off my laptop, is this normal?
Not at all. What OS are you on? Also you don't have to activate it from the toolbar every time, you can bind it to hotkeys.

ここにいると、たまに俺らとほぼ変わらない日本語を巧みに使いこなす外国人がいるからびっくりするわ。

>>70976567
On Windows 10, I'll have a read up and see what I can do hotkeys-wise, cheers.

>>70975895
just keep going

>>70975540
Note that all DACs introduce a small amount of delay (usually less than milliseconds) because you have to oversample the audio before reproduction to prevent audible aliasing, and oversampling = resampling = you either need taps on both sides of the sample you're generating or you're using an IIR filter that has positive group delay.

>>70976574
実際にあったらわかると思うけど、うまく書けても全然話せないから無意味だよ

>>70977603
それだけ書けるなら、十分話せます^^

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>>70964203
Some clarification from someone knowledgeable, please:
>己の立てる所を深く掘れ、そこには必ず泉あらむ。
=
己の立てる所を深く掘れ、そこには必ず泉あらん。
=
己の立てる所を深く掘れ、そこには必ず泉であるだろう.であろう。
?
Reference is pic related.

>>70977603
let's 筆談

>>70964727
It's called hiding your power level.

What's hard about it?

Dig deep where you stand, for surely it is there that you shall find a spring.

With fairly obvious metaphorical interpretations.

>>70975895
Just put new cards on 0 for a while.

>>70978288
Wasn't asking for a translation.

>>70977992
そうだといいけどね
残念ながら世の中はそんなに甘くないよ
でもまぁいいかエロゲが読めるならそれしかいらないよね

>>70978385
Do you keep track of which VNs you've read/played?

>>70978347
Then delete your post.

>>70978580
Did you read it?

>>70978659
You didn't ask a question. Don't blame other people when you're too lazy to write your post properly.

It should be がある instead of である though

>>70978498
Yes of course

>>70978743
I was asking about あらむ, and checking to see if someone who knew a bit of classical Japanese could check the あらむ→あらん→であろう|であるだろう、as that is what a few natives on 知恵袋 were saying and everywhere else was just explaining the expression in modern Japanese.
Thought it was pretty self evident if you read the post but obviously not.
These are one of the 知恵袋 posts I used.
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1052862080
There were a couple of others with more or the same thing.

>>70979090
How many VNs have you read?

>>70979115
41, not counting fandiscs/alternate versions/shit I read in English/shit I dropped.

>>70979186
Nice, how many years and how would you describe your language proficiency because of it?

>>70979229
Slightly over 2 years and good

>>70979547
Taken the JLPT or J-CAT?

何が好きのどうじん?

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>>70975540
What the HELL is this turbonerdry?
Next thing you know one can't do Anki reps without having a Hi-Fi system connected through XLR cables that are no longer than 1m..

>>70979186
shit i'm only at 30 (also not counting shit i dropped and such) and i've been studying for forever

how do people read so much

>>70979731
if the front end of audio is cut off from most things it really doesnt matter

>>70979712
なの

>>70979712
何が好きな同人? barely sounds like "what's your favorite doujin?/what kind of doujin do you like?."

好きな食べ物
好きなゲーム
好きな日本語 these are how to use it

>>70979712
そんなの興味ないわ

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>>70979685
This score is from May last year, would probably do better now.

>>70979833
The key is to have no other hobbies or stuff to do in your free time.

>>70980424
>The key is to have no other hobbies or stuff to do in your free time.
But then I wouldn't have time to shitpost on djt

More seriously though I'm pretty happy that DJT got kicked off /a/ just because I spend much less time here these days.

>>70980473
I shitpost on DJT too, but you can't spend all your time here. You should be reading a VN right now, and tab out every now and again to quickly check it, like me.

>>70980714
what vns did you start on as a raw beginner, if i may ask

>>70973412
>The worst part is the kanji.
Grammar is hard opinion in my opinion
Kanji is easy

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Sticky Note Anon here
Day 3 into the practice and it's going well, it's helping me remember Kanji more strongly and by noticing reoccurring radials I can sometimes guess a kanji's stroke order correctly.
Gimmicky bullshit my butt.

>>70981075
Hanahira, Flyable Heart, Fureraba, Shoujo Ramune, Majikoi

>>70981608
thanks, i will follow that route
kinda wanted to read majikoi anyway

>>70981822
It's a good route I recommend it. Majikoi's an amazing VN that everyone should read anyway, Wanko's route in particular is really unique and special.

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>>70981576
Just because it's a gimmick doesn't mean it's bad.

>>70981921
A problem I have with VNs is that so many of them are erotic in nature and it doesn't exactly appeal to me. I know that there are many great non erotic VNs but from my understanding they are rather more suited to advanced or upper intermediate learners.
Maybe after another few hundred volumes I'll branch out visual novels.

>>70982662
If you've read several hundred volumes already you'll probably as ready as you'll ever get reading manga. Nothing will get you to an advanced stage faster than reading advanced material anyway. Just pick something up. You don't have to spend all your time reading it.

>>70982756
>If you've read several hundred volumes already
That was pretty ambiguous. I've only read about 60 or 70 volumes, from memory. Read/played a few VNs in English ages ago but could never really sink into the format. Maybe it will be different in Japanese.
Still want to finish off my manga reading list first, which is a couple hundred volumes worth.
I know it's a bit lame to rely on recs and ratings but Steins;Gate is rated the highest on vndb for no sexual content, so I might try that out first. The anime was pretty good but I only watched about half way through, so it isn't exactly spoiled.

>>70981921
Have you read Steins;Gate? If so, how did you like it?

>>70982897
Which manga did you read?

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>about to study
>get a huge headache

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>>70975891
>but when I type that the option for 九 never comes up?
Not a question.

>>70981576
Yeah, don't fall for the downers, sticky notes aren't that efficient of a method, but they are better than doing nothing.

If you're already covering other areas of study, any marginal gain you can add by doing little stuff like this is welcome.

Furthermore, some people learn better with spatial referencing, thus that whole loci palace thing.

>>70983099
Shit, I'll have to go through and see.
...
スケッチブック 4 volumes
あずまんが大王 4 volumes
大室家 2 volumes
侵略!イカ娘 2 volumes
あいうら 1 volume
よつばと! 13 volumes
ヤマノススメ 1 volume
ゆるゆり 15 volumes
日常 3 volumes
苺ましまろ 7 volumes
ドラゴンボール 1 volume
ばらかもん 2 volumes
おたくの娘さん 1 volume
けいおん! 4 volumes
きんいろモザイク 2 volumes
ゆゆ式 3 volumes
Aチャンネル 3 volumes
ひだまりスケッチ 7 volumes
のんのんびより 5 volumes
あっちこっち 2 volumes
ひとりぼっちの○○生活 3 volumes
すみっこの空さん 6 volumes
ふらいんぐうぃっち 5 volumes
三ツ星カラーズ 3 volumes
千と万 1 volume
わかばガール 1 volume
ご注文はうさぎですか? 3 volumes
090えこといっしょ。 1 volume
働かないふたり 3 volumes

I think that's it. Okay, a little more than I thought. The problem is that I've been consistently slack with Anki and have a memory like a fucking sieve when it comes to vocab.

>>70983353
Wow, that's quite a lot! Most of it is SoL though, I suppose you're quite fluent with that genre at this point? Wouldn't it also make sense to read some other output?

How much do you read a day and for how long have you been studying? I'm a beginner myself and I'd really like to see some benchmarks for purposes of orientation.

Reading yotsuba here and having a hard time understanding this sentence:

でもフッカ今出かけてていないわよ

I remember 出かける from the 2k anki deck to mean going out. So the negative form should mean that fukka is at home (ーていない - not in the state of going out). But the context clearly states that she's not at home. Also why is the verb written with two て's?

>>70983770
It's 出かけていて、(家には)いないわよ

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>>70983671
>I suppose you're quite fluent with that genre at this point?
Oh christ no. SoL is an incredibly deceptive "genre" in that different series often has a lot of more specialised vocabulary and especially with 四コマ、where the most self contained nature of each set can introduce entirely different and once off words.
スケッチブック throws a lot of insect related words, among other things while ひだまりスケッチ has a lot of art related words, among other things, etc. etc. etc.
Fun, though. ゆゆ式 is an example of a series that has a pretty large amount of vocab used which are used incredibly sparingly, as the pivot point of the series is how the main characters indulge in random things.
Would recommend pretty much all of them.

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>>70983891
This makes sense thanks. Still not sure if the second te is a typo.

>>70984131
It's not. The い has been abbreviated, which happens often for the teiru form. 出かけている means "to have gone out", not "in the state of going out".

>>70984131
>Still not sure if the second te is a typo.
出かけて[い]ていないわよ

>>70984055
Oh, I see, that does make a lot of sense. It's probably quite a banal realization but it really is stunning at times to see how things can really nasty from one page to the next one when characters suddenly start spewing isekai infodumps in manga or something of the sorts. Specialized vocabulary can be quite a hassle, I've had some in-depth food experience with that sort of thing, it was nightmarish. Also barely pops up elsewhere so it's harder to remember.

Also, how much do you read a day and for how long have you been studying?

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>>70984055
This is the image from ゆゆ式 I was looking for before. It's an example of randomness, this time in an extra-linguistic sense, of a reference which is only really thrown about as a once off. There are many little things like this which may require a little bit of extra research if you don't really have any background knowledge of Japan and certain cultural events to really get the nature of the joke.
Pic related is simply enough, just makes me laugh and doesn't really need surrounding pages to be posted to get the full context.
With a lot of different SoL series it isn't uncommon to also come across various place name type references, which of course are instantly understood by the audience but learners without much understanding or experience of Japan, the place, might be a little lost.

>>70984400
>how much do you read a day
A few hours, I guess? Kind of hard to tell. On a good day it could be three or four volumes of something relatively sparse, like よつばと! or ふらいんぐうぃっち、that sort of thing, before starting to hit a mental wall.
>how long have you been studying?
Two or so years on and off, almost entirely off. Only really started to get back into reading more routinely a little before last December.

In the 24 odd months prior to that for example I had only read the first 12 volumes of よつばと!. Really regret not getting into regular reading ages ago.

>>70984233
>>70984245
>It's not. The い has been abbreviated
Thanks for clarifying.

>>70984602
The い of ている is abbreviated in spoken Japanese in a casual setting to the point that you'll almost start to thing that it is the standard "proper" way to speak. When you see てて or something like 飲んでる、走ってる if you get into the habit of mentally placing the い in there it may help when reading dialogue with a bunch of conjugated, linked sentences.
Others which are common is the てお of ておく、in something like 買っておく being abbreviated to 買っとく。
The 思う of ~と思う being abbreviated to simply と at the end of sentence. The context makes it relatively obvious.
The いけない of ないといけない being dropped entirely in favour of simple ないと. Once again, context makes it clear.
There are a bunch of other abbreviations like this you'll come across and eventually get a feel for understanding while reading/listening.

>>70975540
Oh, okay, I see. The problem on my end is that the first clip starts properly, but then ends early and the second clip starts playing. So, I think we have different issues, unfortunately.

Hopefully restarting mt computer/anki will help.

>>70984803
Thanks for elaborating further. The only familiar abbreviation in your post is the いけない part. Seems like practice alone is the key to learning all of these casual patterns.

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>>70985162
The Dictionary of Japanese Grammar series goes over a lot of these abbreviations. The Basic volumes entries for いる (2), おく, なければならない, しまう, etc. Tae Kim's guide probably has these as well.
If you're good are memorising stuff, these sort of abbreviations could probably be plugged into an Anki deck where you go from "standard" to the abbreviated version, then cards the opposite direction.
Reading has mostly made me aware of these things but to be honest I doubt it has helped at all with production. That said, I haven't really read much so maybe reading a bunch of books would amp up those skills for the ability to both recognise them and effectively use them.
I guess the main focus of these threads is consumption more than production.

What's the difference between しごとはなんですか and どこにつとめていますか?

>>70986237
The difference between
>what is your job
and
>where do you work
The first is a more direct question about the job whereas the second, being a question about the place, is less direct. Slight difference in focus.

>>70986340

Need to remember that in English 'Where do you work' is synonymous with 'What do you do'. In Japanese it is not.

どこで働いてますか? Is literally WHERE do you work.

あなとのしごとは? Works even better, its like 'Your job? (is)'

>>70986237

つとめています is making an effort.

どこにつとめていますか? Is 'where do you make an effort'/where do you make an effort for society.

Difference is one is an expression/idiom, the other isn't.

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>>70986656
>In Japanese it is not.
The implication is there, just like it is in other languages such as English.
>あなとのしごとは? Works even better, its like 'Your job? (is)'
That sounds really stiff.

>>70984055
Please, post the following page!
Is it China Red? Crimson Red? Bordeau? Carmesin? I want to see the outcome!

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>>70987176

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>>70987228

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>>70987262

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>>70986656
>あなた

>>70987325
あなた。。。さん?

>>70987325

why do japanese hate tattoos? are you homos?

>>70987368
Gay people hate tattoos in Aussieland?

>>70987294
Thanks! Poor Sae, so she's the one who is hated by animals and such.

>>70987368
Absolute degenerate!

>>70987325

あなだはなにがはなじますが?

>>70987404
>so she's the one who is hated by animals and such
Sae has issues with drawing animals because her primary school teacher criticised her for it, so due to place of practice after that she has trouble getting the anatomy right.

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>>70987438
lack of practice*

Would you guys recommend using IMABI? Currently, I have finished reading Tae Kim's Grammar Guide and I'm almost done with RTK. Along with that, I occasionally read The DOJG. Once I'm, say, halfway done or 3/4 done with the 6k, I plan on starting reading native material.

>>70987514
>Currently, I have finished reading Tae Kim's Grammar Guide and I'm almost done with RTK.
>Along with that, I occasionally read The DOJG.
Definitely sound ready to take advantage of all the more technical stuff the guy puts in his lessons.
As to how much it is worth it, you'll probably find out yourself after a couple of weeks.
There is a pdf version of his site in the CoR but it might be a bit outdated.

>Once I'm, say, halfway done or 3/4 done with the 6k, I plan on starting reading native material.
I'd suggest starting now but really read whenever you think you're ready. It will take a bit to get used to it more or less regardless of your background study.

>>70987514
>>70987652
Here is the mega link, in case you had any interest.
https://mega.nz/#F!vtxDgLZb!5e3RZkAuFULsRQILi9BoYw
For some reason neocities sites aren't loading on my end but I had a older text copy of the CoR saved offline.

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>弾
>bullet
>弾く
>play instrument

Suddenly this pic makes a lot of sense.

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>>70964203
If anyone is interesting in reading something on the fly, there is a dump of the first volume of 千と万 here:
>>>/qa/1001155

>>70989637
I-is it a one-shot?
Looks really cute, but I don't feel comfortable reading in this way.

There's something really appealing about a white, clean cover with colorful characters, isn't there? I feel like reading them all.

>>70987652
>>70987768
Looks pretty good, but is there a way to search for specific things? This is way too long.

>>70990014
https://www.amazon.co.jp/千と万-アクションコミックス-月刊アクション-関谷-あさみ/dp/4575848506
Three volumes out so far. By the same mangaka as the following:
https://nhentai.net/g/38481/

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>>70990306
How can I even pretend to read this as a pure story now?

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What does this letter P signify?

If I read a basic book like japanese the manga way, will I be ready for mostly anything a light novel throws at me grammar wise?

>>70991860
From the JMDict documentation:
>The "(P)" markings in the EDICT and EDICT2 files appear to identify a useful subset of "common" words, but there are clearly some marked entries which are not very common, and there are clearly unmarked entries which are in common use, particularly in the spoken language.

>>70991950

So basically, they're pretty useless for leaving in my mining deck

>>70991913
More than likely not.
It's a good start though.

>>70992014
What would be a good follow up to that book?

>>70991913
It depends what you regard as "grammar". Almost all of the grammar points covered by Tae Kim which aren't in jtmw are really just set phrases which would be picked up by rikaisama as single words anyway. There are so many set phrases like this in Japanese, it would probably be better to learn them as you go along rather than studying them independently. So long as you have the fundamentals and a brief taste of how the language is styled you should be all right.

>>70992148
real manga

How to you pronounce stuff like 多分's ん at the end? I'm not as bad with ん before consonants with how it changes and such... but at the end of words, I always end up pronouncing it like "ng" - tabung instead of tabun. What I'm doing is like halfway between English "ng" and Japanese ん.

Has anyone else successfully ironed this out?

>>70992621
>Has anyone else successfully ironed this out?
I didn't even know this problem existed

>>70992621
>Has anyone else successfully ironed this out?
多分

>>70986237
What is your job?
Where are you working at?
The latter is a question for his office.

>>70993373
It's not like the sound exists in English. If you get it right on your first try, you're either not actually hearing the difference or grew up as a child hearing both sounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvular_nasal

>>70993427
Thanks.

>>70993373
>The uvular nasal is a rare sound crosslingually, presumably due to the relative difficulty involved in articulating this sound.[1]

>>70993863
>>70994017
I don't know what you are interpreting into this but the way the japanese pronounce it doesn't sound special to me in any way, it's just an n-sound

>>70978283
Pitiful attempt however!

It's like putting on your WOW guild app you don't care about loot. You brought up loot, so you clearly do care. Answering with 'it's not for anime' is silly desu~~

>>70994285
Sometimes it's very difficult. Did you know the Japanese 'sh' sound (voiceless alveolo-palatal sibilant, IPA ɕ) is different from the one English has (voiceless palato-alveolar sibilant, IPA ʃ) as well? It's really hard for me to tell the difference, but I know more or less how to move my tongue to make the Japanese sound.

Anyway, if you get these wrong, the differences add up, and you'll have an unmistakable accent that, depending on what your mistakes are, might be hard to interpret. (although the 'sh' would rarely get in the way of understanding compared to ん)

>>70997074
yeah same with fu

>>>/pol/111863949
>>>/pol/111863949
>>>/pol/111863949

Is this /pol/ being /pol/ or are you nips dying?

>>70997451
these threads happen on /pol/ everyday.
nothing happens.

>>70997451
It sounds really inflammatory. Someone yelling doom and gloom without even providing any evidence besides what is more likely a freak medical incident.

It's true, H5N8 has had a pretty bad outbreak among poultry farms in Japan, but the key things to keep in mind are that H5N8 is in general less dangerous than H1N1, and that it's really difficult to transmit from chickens to humans.

The first people who would drop dead from something like this are the factory workers. Not pop star idols. And often when humans do contract the disease, it's still either no more contagious than it was with the chickens originally, or still difficult to transmit.

>>70997074
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0nOiHQZ5mxT

I can try to elaborate on the SH sound as well, if you need it.

>>70998318
Thanks - I just listened. I think my biggest issue was I was forming the compressed area that produces the sound too far forward in my mouth. That's the last sound I couldn't figure out how to pronounce, so now it just comes down to practice.

>>70998733
Ah, I see what you mean, the tendency is forming vowels and hums using the entirety of the mouth, but with this n sound, it's more pronounced at the back of the mouth, due this throath blocking thing.

It's really weird how these little technical things escape consciousness and we just learn most of it intruitively.

What are these guys talking about? Sounds like they are having fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBjBf_jY74w

>>70999546
obviously they're talking about the game.
in particular how the guy named Link was doing really fucking good.

こんにちは、まんこが好きと言いに来ました。
以上です

>>71000599
Your post was accepted, you may go now.

OK GUYS

How many cards a day should I do for the DojG, and when is it permitted to hit "okay" on it?

It has 1000 cards, so I figure 5 cards a ay i should be a japanese grammar expert by the end of the year. Maybe.

>>71001034
がんばれ
I think 1 year is long enough to learn Japanese grammar.
And I heard Japanese learners need at least 3000 vocabs for ordinary conversation.

>>70999077
Are you 日系, Bras-kun?

It's almost 6 o'clock in Japan.
Good morning to everyone.

日本ではもうすぐ6時になる。
皆さんおはようございます。

>>71001735
おはよう
今日も自殺しないですませようね

>>71001735
死ね

>>71001864
うん。そっちは寝ている間に死なないでね

>>71001900
何だよ、いきなり

>>71001735
おはよう, 今日も頑張ってください!

>>71001900
dostedtそんなこと言うの

>>71001034
Doing dojg myself.
I deleted the recall cards so i only have 629 cards. Started 3 weeks ago and going at a rate of 10 cards a day so i should be done with it next month.

>セフレとのーこーなセくーすしてるから大丈夫だょ
>誰もいなかったらチューくらいしちゃう?のーこーなヤツいっちゃう?
The fuck is のーこー?

>>71002384
ありがとう、Poland bro.

>>71002574
濃厚(のうこう→のーこー)
very very strong, very density.

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The Japanese have a saying: 七転び八起き 「ななころびやおき」 "Fall down 7 times, get up 8"

Don't be afraid to make mistakes! The worst you'll do is fall over, but you can always pick yourself back up. Beginners often start learning the language full of fire and determination, but quickly fizzle out due to fear of making mistakes. Look forward to making mistakes and learning from them instead. Even if climbing just a few steps feels painful, difficult, slow going and unsatisfying in the beginning, if you always stick it out, every day it becomes easier, and you definitely will achieve your goals!

>>71002452
>I deleted the recall cards

literally why

>>71003643
Production isn't important at this stage of my learning. My focus is on being able to read so anything else is a waste of time.

>>71003392
Let me translate for practice of my English.

日本の格言:七転び八起き

間違えることを怖がるな!一番悪いのは倒れることだ、しかしいつでも立ち直ることが出来る。初心者はしばしば情熱と決意と共に語学を学び出す、しかしすぐに間違う恐怖の為に弱弱しくなってしまう。
(I couldn't understand ''full of fire'' so I just guessed by context.)
間違いを恐れる代わりに間違うことを楽しみにしよう。
もし、あなたが常にそれを続ければ、たとえほんの少し進んだだけでも苦痛、困難、のろのろとした進歩と不満足をを感じたとしても、毎日より簡単になっていき、そして必ず君の目標に到達するだろう!

Text about detective devices
>特注で作らせたものさ
>探偵帽にパイプこっちはペン型スコォプ
In first saying "These things are done by special order"?
And what is ペン型スコォプ ? Pen and scope?

>>71003987
>only trying to read japanese

>not trying to learn how to put your thoughts into japanese

you're so going to regret this down the line

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>>71003392
How do you fall down 7 times but get up 8?

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>>71004755
We only have so much we can do anon.I can always just do the production cards later.

>>7100429
ペン型スコープ means a scope shaped a pen.
Or a pen type scope.
I guess you're reading a mystery book.
特注 means ''special order''. So, the sentence means, the detective ordered a pen type scope specially.

>>71004902
Maybe you started off lying down?

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>>71004949
>759 Cards

What's your point?

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>>71005073
The point of posting my stats is to show how much i'm already learning in a day.

also
>3 hours of anki

>>71004902
Because, if you don't anything, you are sitting. and then, ''okay, I will do it!'' and stand up when you decide.

So, this is the first ''get up''.

And when you fall down first time, you will ''get up twice''.

>>71004129
よくやった
原文より良い文章だと思う

ところで君とあなたの両方を使っていいですか?普通はしないと思ってた

>>71005049
>>71005288
That makes sense, thanks!

>>71004299
shape型object
pen-shaped scope

>>71005332
評価ありがとう
>君とあなたの両方を使っていいですか?普通はしないと思っていた

その通りです。きちんとした文章の場合、絶対しません。カジュアルな時は大丈夫かもしれないけど・・・まあ、俺がアホなだけです。

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What does this mean exactly?

He's talking about the number of times he's visited someone in a hospital

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>>71005841
this sentence hurts my brain

>>71005841
3度目の正直
Third time's the charm
2度あることも3度ある
What happens twice will happen a third time

>>71006144
Thanks!

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>>71005073
>209 minutes
Literally why
How do you deal with this

>>71005682
なるほど、ありがとう
俺は間違ってなかったことに安心しました
いつかあんな熱い文章を作れるようになりたいです

>>71006599
he's a neet and doesn't have anything better to do?

>>71006826
I am almost (not quite) a NEET and still get bored as fuck after a while, and I'm only doing one deck atm, meaning that the most I had to do was like 210 a day.

>>71001034
You're under the wrong impression. Looking at grammar books or doing grammar flashcards will only help you memorise the grammar, which can aid comprehension so by all means do it if you like, but you won't actually learn the grammar (or become a 'Japanese grammar expert') without reading and listening a lot.

>>70964727
I started studying japanese because we were forced to learn either Japanese or Italian in high school. And we all know it's better to die than to speak Italian

>>71007834
>to learn either Japanese or Italian in high school.
wut?

Can anyone help a beginner get a better grasp on Kanji?

From what I understand, there's two ways to read most of them, the original Chinese way, and the Japanese "adaption", and when pronounced they can sound completely different.

So does most every Kanji technically have multiple meanings (Chinese and Japanese), or is it just different ways of pronouncing them? Like, do I have to recognize every Kanji for it's multiple meanings or am I just trying to learn the proper pronunciation or what?

Sorry for the dumb question, trying to wrap my head around this.

>>71007879
Italian is a super popular foreign language studied around where I live.
In fact I had to study it for 6 years in primary school.
And Japanese came as a result because in the 1980s and 1990s, Indonesian was a popular language to learn in Australia, but they slowly phased it out in favor of Japanese.
Now I presume they're going to start introducing Mandarin (I really wish I learned that from a child)

>>71007834
>either Japanese or Italian
Most random choice i've ever seen.

>>71007985
Some of what you said was right.

Many kanji do indeed have multiple ways of pronouncing it. Certain pronunciations of the kanji will be obvious through the context once you learn the words.
I suppose kanji can have multiple meanings, I haven't got my textbook with me right now, but a very lazy example would be 日. This can mean either "day" or "sun". And then when added to other kanji, it can make entirely new words.
日本 = Japan (lit. Sun origin)
Other examples aren't so mind-boggling but rather useful
毎日 = everyday

Now, let's take the examples of "Japan" and "everyday"

In "Japan" 日 is pronounced "ni", whereas in "everyday" the pronunciation is "nichi".
This is just one quick example
any questions? I'm happy to help

>>71008181
To be fair, it's quite logical.
The top 5 most spoken languages in Australia aside from English are:
1. Mandarin
2. Italian
3. Arabic
4. Cantonese
5. Greek

As for Japanese, it's because they're a pretty good trading partner with Australia, that being said, I still think Mandarin should be compulsory in all schools across Australia

>>70964727
Pretty obvious japan economy is huge.

>>71008428
Kill yourself. Mandarin is the worst shit language ever made and the people who speak it are cancer.

>>71008606
>ever made
>he still hasn't seen Esperanto
top kek
Also, why so insecure lad? I know the chinks are buying out all our land, but once we embrace our new sino overlords, we will be expected to speak their language
may as well be fluent now so that when they conquer your city you can be appointed to a governing official position

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>>71005177
>>71006599
I can only do that much anki when i'm in the perfect mood

Now that I started college, my anki motivation took a serious nosedive

>>71008316
Okay thanks, that makes a bit more sense.

I guess the thing I'm having trouble understanding is how to remember the differences in pronunciation, I recently started using Anki and I'm already having trouble with the first numbers.

For example, 三 = "san" さん
But with "tsu" attached it becomes 三つ = "mitsu", with 三 being pronounced as "み" when referring to buying "three things"

Is this something I'll just have to memorize and interpret when I see 三 pop up in a sentence? Again sorry if this is a really stupid question.

>>71009365
Yes, there are many irregulars like that. Many counters have them.

Something like this can happen too:

十分 じっぷん - 10 minutes
十分 じゅうぶん - plenty

>>71007985
>>71009365
I'm a beginner as well, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but...

I don't think you're supposed to learn the kanji in isolation.

Instead, you're supposed to learn the words themselves, and the pronunciation/meaning of the kanji used in those words.

>>71009365
>Again sorry if this is a really stupid question.
There are no silly questions in language learning, especially in a language as complex as Japanese.

Now, I started learning Japanese in high school, so the way I learned kanji was entirely contextual. I learned kanji almost as an auxillary part to the actual language.
What that means is, I literally have no idea what the onyomi (chinese reading) and the kunyomi (japanese reading) are for each kanji, I never learned it that way.

So through how I learned it, it becomes very obvious by context

"私の弟は三歳です。"
"わたし の おとうと は さん さい です。"
"My little brother is 3 years old"

I just know by context that mitsu is never used for someone's age.

So unfortunately, I don't really have an easy answer for you. I guess context, no matter which method you learn the kanji, play a massive role.

>>71008684
Why give up? They'll only buy us out and rule us if we let them. Just vote in a racist Chinese-hating politician and put bans on their shit, and get Trump to nuke them.

>>71009617
I've spoken to many people who have learned the kanji in isolation, I was kinda shocked, because I think that's a terrible approach and overwhelms a beginner with a shitload of information they kinda don't need at the start.
But I'm surprised how many people adopt this approach

When I first started learning Japanese, we used kana almost exclusively and slowly added more and more kanji into our sentences from there

>>71005682
that is much better than the post of Pblahblah who can't write over three lines of sentences.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af6JRDhNBiw

You CANNOT learn Japanese

>>71009617
>>71009675
What's helped me (as a beginner) is learning based on kun/on readings when the kanji readings are simple (only two or three total) since you can sometimes predict which reading to use. I memorize the rest (kanji with lots of readings) "manually", without regard to their word origins, based on learning the words instead.

>>71009813
Whenever I get text with words uncommonly written kana I get confused on how to split the words... But I don't know enough kanji to actually read without looking stuff up. I guess I just need more time with the core 10k

>>71009733
I'm holding tight and waiting for the precise moment to strike
There'll be a small window of opportunity between the fall of the eternal anglo and the complete rule over us by the brown and yellow hordes.
In that window, us wogs will rise up and vanquish the brown and yellow hordes without having to worry about anglos holding us back and filling our new society with degeneracy

>>71009896
what the fuck is this

i can't even make out a single word

When reading physical media, what's the best tool for parsing sentences, specifically clusters of kanji?

>>71009675
>I just know by context that mitsu is never used for someone's age.
Not exactly sure what you mean, but つ can be used for age as well. It's more juvenile, though, as I understand it.

>>71009997
Old Japanese, son

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Japanese

Literally language of the ancient japanese gods now.

>>71010019
> but つ can be used for age as well
What?

>>71010127
Thats retarded

>>71010127
>those lost vowels
Very cool. I read, somewhere on wiki I think it was, that people thought that 神 and 上(かみ) had a shared etymology before they discovered that the vowel actually differed for み

>>71007985
Kanji don't have meanings, words have meanings. Sometimes a single kanji can spell a word, sometimes it can represent a particular aspect of a word's meaning, but it never has any intrinsic meaning of it's own, only what is indicated by the context.

>>71010299
漢字に意味が無いってどういう意味だ?

>>71010009
MkI eyeball

>>71010127
If you download The Pile there are some grammar books on Old Japanese
>>71010019
>but つ can be used for age as well
Really? I've never seen that, but I'll take your word for it.
Even so, via context saying 私の弟はみつです wouldn't make sense if you were to interpret it as "three things" unless someone wanted to literally try and say something like "my younger brother is three objects".

>>71010127
>>71010297

I don't get it. If the language is "lost" how are you supposed to learn it?

clearly, this song is proof that some people are able to speak this version of Japanese, how does one learn it?

>>71010462
>>71010135
Yea, you see it occasionally. Here's a tentative source
http://www.sanabo.com/kazoekata/ct_na/ne/nenrei/

>>71010521
>>71010462

But in this case, if you want to use つ for expressing '' 3 years old'', it should be みっつ。not mitsu(みつ)

ひとつ、ふたつ、みっつ、よっつ・・・

>>71010510
I don't think the language is marked as "lost" but rather as "dead".

Just how Latin evolved into Italian, French and Spanish, Old Japanese evolved into Modern Japanese over time

>>71010628
You know what this means anon

We must ressurect old japanese. I'll teach it to my son and he'll make his classmates look retarded

>>71010521
ah, fair enough. I've never seen it be used like that.
themoreyouknow.jpeg
>>71010599
thank you senpai (does "f a m" still get filtered to senpai?)

>>71010663
I've got 4 books on it
I think it'll need a bit more than that to resurrect it.
Plus, if we're bringing back any language from Japan, it'll be Ainu

some day I'd like to be good enough to understand japanese hip hop without many problems

https://youtu.be/rI7_ZkO6azI
https://youtu.be/1Iw_m-CXywo

>>71010760
Anyone remember this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aRKpH3K_I

>>71010675
senpai?
I don't know, I haven't been here for a long time...

>>71010675
This filter is at least a year old.
cuck senpai desu

>>71010994
cuck used to be baka, no idea why they changed it.

>>71010994
2bh, I haven't use f a m before.
I don't think f a m means the exactly same meaning of senpai, tho...

>>71011025
The cuckoo is /an/'s mascot, you should've seen how upset they were about the filter.

>>71010994
For some reason I thought they removed the filter on f a m and just kept t b h

>>71011025
Wasn't cuck kek?

>>71011063
It's not meant to mean anything similar

It's just because the mods hated the words f a m, t b h and cuck
So they replaced it with weeb sayings so people would stop using them

>>71011075
I still remember the golden age of filters on /pol/.
Shit like nigger being changed to "TV stealer"
Jew changed to shit like "ashes" and kike to "Mr. Goldenbergstein".
I'm pretty sure some of the filters were on /b/ too iirc

>>71008428
do you still know some italian or did you forget it already?

anyway, you should check out the Gomorra series if you haven't watched it already

>>71011156
ah shit wait, you had japanese...

watch it anyway

>>71011116
I see.
We use NTR for cuck on internet.

How do you stay motivated, djt?

>>71011075
I stopped browsing there a short before the filter and came back when it was over already.
>>71011063
It's because both fit in the same phrase even if the meanings are different.
2bh is usually used at the end like desu
cuck is derogatory like baka
senpai is a way of calling someone like senpai, plus the "senpai notice me" meme.
Before the filter people where spamming it like crazy.
>>71011238
Gotta understand those puns, anon.
>>71011111
I think it was when moot was still around.

>>71011156
>do you still know some italian
nope. Although I also speak Spanish, so I can understand bits and pieces of it.
However before I started Spanish, I forgot nearly all of my italian except for colours, family members and super basic shit like that.
>>71011238
I remind myself that I'm pathetic and haven't accomplished anything. I open up the Japanese thread and see Brazilians and other Australians conversing with Japanese speakers, then go into an autistic fit and smash random objects over my head screaming "why can't I be like that??" until my carer or a nurse comes in to sedate me

>>71011238
>How do you stay motivated

well, i cant answer this question without appearing to be the most autistic person on 4chan. i should refrain from answering

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Currently 39 degrees at midday.
夏い
(^_^;)

>>71011238
I don't do much daily tbph but I've been learning for almost 6 years and it has become such a habbit that I actually get uncomfortable when I do nothing

>>71011349
Now you have to answer
>>71011375
Thanks for the new word fampai

>>71011375
シドニーに住んでいますか?

>>71011349
read >>71011317
Now answer cunt

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>>71011349
Go on...

>>71011349
>most autistic person

Why so many Japanese learners say this when they asked by someone the reason why they started to learn Japanese?
Even though they dislike Anime.

>>71011238
I try to not stress over the result and just enjoy the experience. You're on a very long journey, so trying to be competitive or goal oriented could easily burn you out.

>>71011317
I considered learning italian but then I started with french instead

I thought it would be funny to speak the languages of the axis powers

>>71011484
>adachi
>>71011480
>australian
>>71011444
>quads

okay okay

so

listen to this song from the perspective that "i'm learning japanese to move to japan"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tn5g2pF5PU

the lyrics in the song, connect them with that perspective and you'll see how i interpret the song. please listen and you might understand my mindset.

basically, i live in a reality where the world and my entire life is conspiring to make me move to japan. my parents wanted me to stay in my home country so that's why god killed them last year, because fate is removing all obstacles from my path one by one

of course thats not true. its just coincidence, but its the mental state i adopt, and thats how i listen to music, which is why those music motivates me a lot more than they would motivate a different person

you can now call me the most autistic person on 4chan but it really works for me

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>>71011625
Get help and don't reply to my posts anymore

>>71011625
Autism
But entrenched in qtness

However, John 8:7

We're all mega autists here. We can't judge one of our.

>>71011625
You're alright dude

The thread is chill as fuck tonight. Appreciate it, lads

>>71011375
>夏い
暑は夏いよね

>>71011625
Please don't change your perception of reality on purpose to something you know is false, it can bite you in the ass very hard.

>>71011625
自閉症はやっぱり辛い病気ですね

>>71011759
私は彼がじゃない
でも、私の町へこの夏に暑くなかった

>>71011238
I don't. It just happens a lot of the things I like to do are in Japanese. I don't do anki or read grammar guides or any studying in general. I read a VN or a manga if it interests me, not because I want to practice reading

This is why my listening is really good and my reading and producing are pretty bad

>>71011625
what the fuck man I'm sorry that's not autism that's downright insanity.

RIP your parents. gomennasai.

Also RIP you once you move to Japan and realize you're still you.

>>71011625
Okay...today is my holiday, but after I read your ''motivation'', I finally understand how autistic person behave.

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>>71011887
>Also RIP you once you move to Japan and realize you're still you.
I should write this one down

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>>71011444


>>71011454
Two or so hours south of Sydney, around 25 minutes from the beach.

>>71011796
>Please don't change your perception of reality on purpose to something you know is false, it can bite you in the ass very hard.

can you blame me. changng my reality is the only way to cope with the amount of pain and suffering that is involved with moving to japan

otherwise im going to be a quitter and give up, or i'll decide to date a western woman that prevents me from leaving the country.

>>71011851
どこの町に住んでいる?
do you want to correct your Japanese?

>>71011887
>Also RIP you once you move to Japan and realize you're still you.
Very nice

>この間、クラス会で昔の友達に会ったんですが、誰だか思い出せませんでした。
>この間、クラス会で昔の友達に会ったんですが、誰だったか思い出せませんでした。
どちらの方が正しいですか
助けてください

>>71011238
Counter question.

How do I stay motivated to learn other language except English....?

>>71011983
誰だったか。
でも、誰だかでも理解できるし、話す時は使うこともあるよ

あああ寝たら明日になちゃって頑張らなければいけないの状態に戻るぞ。。。

>>71012031
>How do I stay motivated to learn other language except English....?
No need to, just remember that all other languages are for dogs.

>>71011738
>>71011694
thank you for your support

>>71011887
the real truth is everyone hides their true perception of reality, and a lot of people would be called insane for revealing it

i'm not the only one. people you know might hide such secrets

>>71011929
Merimbula?
Somewhere on the sapphire coast?
>>71011957
>i'll decide to date a western woman that prevents me from leaving the country.
I fell into this trap anon, except not about Asians. I am diaspora from a small European nation, but I'm with an Australian, so I can't really go back home to live.
>>71011968
メルボルンに住んでいる
>do you want to correct your Japanese?
Feel free to correct me as much as you'd like. I haven't used japanese in years, so it is terrible now

>>71012031
Just fucking enjoy doing it. Then not doing it will become the thing that needs motivation.

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>>71011759
そうだよな
もう秋になるといいな

>>71012130
Between Wollongong and Batemans Bay.

>>71012130
yeah, i'm trying not to fall into that trap

the problem is i'm extremely good with western girls. girls naturally open up to me online. so i fight the urge to go after them because they are such easy targets

im keeping my sights on japanese girls, so i have to change my reality so that i disregard everything that isnt going to japan

sucks and makes life really boring for now but there will be a payoff in the future i feel

sorry to hear about your marriage visa problem. do you love her?

>>71011983
誰だか思い出せませんでした→名前が思い出せない、顔が思い出せない

誰だったか思い出せませんでした→誰かに会ったけど、誰に会ったのか覚えていない