>tfw when you criticize Islam on Facebook and a Muslim private

well, do you?

Well, do you?
That's a rather nice opportunity.

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>>70902523
>tfw you dont have a facebook

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>>70902544
No, I know everything I need to know.

>>70902553
They ask as if I care.

>>70902554
Consider yourself lucky.

>>70902560
why not ask about what you know and see what they'll say?

>>70902560
> All these dead americans

Please, I can only get this erect

>>70902523
happened to me on instagram, blown him the fuck out and of course he retreated into muslim classic excuse "you're dumb, arrogant and don't know anything about islam".
you just can't reason with these guys, you just can't

>>70902583
>criticise something
>don't care to be more informed on it

Americans.

>>70902595
Whats left to ask? 'Why cant people leave Islam'?

They will just divert to Iraq War or KKK etc etc. Facebook is cancerous.

>>70902618
>blown him the fuck out and of course he retreated into muslim classic excuse "you're dumb, arrogant and don't know anything about islam".
>>70902620
>don't care to be more informed on it
See above, everything is open and blatant with Islam. Its as clear as American history.

>>70902523
As much as I hate the religion that seemed like a decent way for him to respond.

>>70902644
I dont want them to respond. There is no justification. I want them to be silent and/or convert to Christianity.

>>70902638
>everything is open and blatant with Islam
>religion
>blatant, not multi-interpretable
>just like history
oh wait its american history, you're right then

>>70902690
You can open a book of America history.

You can open a hadith or Quran and read Islamic history.

>>70902644
you're right actually

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>>70902662

>>70902523
You should reply with:

>"Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11"

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>>70902706
i like doing that

>>70902723
That's Judaism though

>when you can't even tell if an USA flag is memeing or not

>>70902523
Did you call him a goat fucker terrorist?

>>70902730
that would explain why he was a nonce

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>>70902730
>Muhammad shaved his armpits

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>>70902753
it gets better

>>70902746
>Did you call him a goat fucker terrorist?
No, I was posting about the refugee ban. Saying it wasnt a Muslim ban and Muslims cannot be labeled as victims when Islam is the aggressor across the region.

>>70902774
kek

the arabs never allowed for wewuzzery

>>70902706
>koran is blatant and historically accurate
you don't know how history studies work do you?

>>70902722
Well its a good middle ground for Americans and Muslims to meet.

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>>70902792
Americans cannot be labeled as victims when America is the aggressor.

>>70902802
>koran is blatant and historically accurate
Can you stop quoting things blatantly wrong?

The Quran is a Islamic holy book, I suppose we should just all forget it? Not mainline enough?

>>70902817
>Americans cannot be labeled as victims when America is the aggressor.
He was British.

>>70902662
> I can talk shit about them
> But they can't talk about mine

Fucking cumskins

>>70902882
>But they can't talk about mine
Talk about what? Its literally the same ban Obama put in place.

Other countries around the world dont have populations that reacted like Muslims have the last 7 years.

>>70902840
>I suppose we should just all forget it? Not mainline enough?
>there is not enough evidence, therefore we should call it in
hmmm

>>70902662
>muh freedom of speech
Amerikkkans everybody

>>70902914
>there is not enough evidence, therefore we should call it in
So the Quran isn't an Islamic holy book?

>>70902928
How exactly can anyone justify killing people who leave the religion? Or who draw an image of god?

>>70902911
Nigga you said they have to be silent/convert while you can freely talk shit about them.

>>70902957
>you said they have to be silent/convert while you can freely talk shit about them.
So then, here we begin my post....

Muslims are the oppressor in Middle East, not the US or Christians. Muslims are majority and ISIS is exclusively Muslims. Therefore, its Christians and other minorities who are at most risk and nee refugee status.

A'ight, Imma bite this one.
You're a retarded for being christian and thinking they are any different. It's pretty much the same sandnigger doctrine, they came from the exactly same source.

>>70902986
Then he should have banned the countries responsible for 9/11, like Saudi Arabia or EAU

>>70903002
>You're a retarded for being christian and thinking they are any different. It's pretty much the same sandnigger doctrine, they came from the exactly same source.
I never said I was Christian, I said its Christians who are the ones at risk. Not Muslims.

With that said, Christianity is structure and spread differently than Islam.

>>70903027
>Then he should have banned the countries responsible for 9/11, like Saudi Arabia or EAU
He didnt because this is Obama executive order from several years ago. Trump used the same order to avoid any legal or media problems but they bit his bait regardless.

>>70902603
All 10 cm?

>>70903031
You wanted them to convert from a shitty mudsand religion to a slightly less shitty mudsand religion.
If you were smart you would've used the opportunity to make questions that would make himself be without answers and thus questions his own standing grounds or at least confirm your prejudices.

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>>70902662
Wow, this is an unprecedented level of retarded.

>>70903080
>or at least confirm your prejudices.
Thats what the Quran is for.

>>70903084
>this is an unprecedented level of retarded.
Islam is a cult, not a religion.

So it WILL be resisted.

>>70903002
>It's pretty much the same sandnigger doctrine, they came from the exactly same source.

incorrect

>>70903050
Then he's just gonna do what Obama did but more autistic

>>70903120
We both know you haven't read the Qu'ran, though.

>>70903126
Yes they did. You can trace back all the bits both religions stole from old Mesopotamian creeds.

>>70903120
With that logic, so is Christianity since both religions have the same Abrahamic God and same branches of Prophets.

Hell, we even consider Jesus as a prophet, does that trigger your autism as well?

>>70903159
>Then he's just gonna do what Obama did but more autistic
I'm not sure what that means but regardless, its only a halt for 3 months. Thats why the 'outrage' was completely overboard.

>>70903164
>We both know you haven't read the Qu'ran, though.
I can read from it at any time. I havent read all the Federalist Papers either.

Magic is real!
God is all knowing, all powerful but a highly insecure entity in need of large amounts of cash and attention because, well, god is an all powerful Diva? (Who hates fags btw)
Sure.. which part of any of this is not retarded?

>>70902932
holy book is not a reliable source, it will never be.
it will be suspected to be written with heavy bias, and there'll be no way proofing its truth or falsehood

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>>70903164
Islam began when Muhammad was praying in a cave and had an 'angel' strangle him, he then thought he was possessed and tried to kill himself. Later began thinking he was a prophet.

Christianity began when it was believed that Jesus was God who entered into His own creation, taking on the form of a human.

Christians believe that you cannot earn your way into Heaven and belief on Jesus is the only way to get there

Muslims believe that you just need to be a muslim, however salvation is still not guaranteed. Being a Jihadist is a sure way to get into heaven

Very different religions

>>70903186
>With that logic, so is Christianity since both religions have the same Abrahamic God and same branches of Prophets.
No, Islam piggybacks off Judaism and Christianity for relevancy.

But only Islam punishes people for leaving and for depicted God etc etc. Religions don't use these functions and the UN itself says that a religion is not so if members are not free to leave.

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>>70903234
This. Islam is a cult. Nothing more

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>>70903219
>holy book is not a reliable source, it never will be.
Gee how convenient. Mandatory reading for Muslim, everyone else should just pass it up though.

>>70903199
that's not even the most retarded part.
>nothing can happen without god's approval but committing sin is somehow our fault
>everything will happen just like how god write it in the holy book but somehow we're free to decide our fate
same can be said for christianity though

Islam is literally a rogue sect of christianity

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>>70903232
oops wrong one

>>70903232
You are citing made up "lore" origins of both as actual historical origin.

>>70903288
you're saying both religions are the same. That's what I'm responding to mate

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>>70902662
c'mon dude

>>70903253
These faggots are confirmed for never reading the Bible. Sure Islam is a disgusting primitive religion but at least they follow their beliefs. You are all passive christians that doesn't respect any of the christian dogmas and still think you are going to heaven.
Well, you're not. The bible is the word of God and the bible is clear.

>>70903310
t; UC Berkley rioter

>>70903274
>everyone else should just pass it up though.
where did i imply that? you can read dan brown books, but will you take it as actual incident?
you read koran to get a perception of muslim way of life not a scientific truth, which is what studies are

>>70903297
I clearly typed they have the same place of origin, like monkeys and humans came from the same species. They both originated from the exact same movement and slightly deviated apart with time. Even still 70% of their content is the same.

>>70903288
Islam is literally a rogue sect of christianìty. In those days some christians believed very different things about jesus than what is believed today

>>70903329
>ou are all passive christians that doesn't respect any of the christian dogmas and still think you are going to heaven.
>Well, you're not. The bible is the word of God and the bible is clear.
The only 'dogma' you need to believe in if you're Christian is that Jesus Christ was the son of God. And by accepting that God created you, loves you, provides for you and watches over you; only then will Christ welcome you upon his return.

And hes God, so he knows if its unironic or not.

>>70903369
And muhammad literally just copied them and added his own spin

>>70902706
Lol, what a retard. Do you realize any religion has different branches because of different interpretations of the same texts? Christianity varies from Orthodoxy to American protestant churches with gospel music and shit. Islam varies from ISIS salafism to Sufi meditative practices and New Age Quranism. Judaism has Jews from orthodox habad Jews to liberal Judaism with gay marriage.

>>70903351
>holy book is not a reliable source
>you read koran to get a perception of muslim way of life
Stop contradicting yourself.

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>>70903369
wait, I'm confused. Are you a christan? I don't get it.

Also I do know how to get saved, and I am saved

>>70903369
the earliest 1st century church hymns sang about Jesus being God in the flesh, no different from today

>>70903373
No, it's not and you're a kid if you actually think that. That's just what your cucked ass culture taught you. You are going to hell for working on the sabbath, that's just a fact. Deal with it.

>>70903384
>Do you realize any religion has different branches because of different interpretations of the same texts?
Christians have reformed Christianity over and over.

If Muslims really believe that ISIS isn't Islam, they should fight it. Not flee.

>>70903393
I have about 56 entries from the same book that contradicts that passage.
What now?

>>70903393
Different schools had different beliefs

I remember reading that those directly north and south of arabia had beliefs that were more in line with what muhammad ended up inventing

>>70902730
Em.. Would anyone deny he was white? It's written in all the Muslim books he was nice, had pale skin and black hair etc. Actually Arabs has always considered themselves white, it's Europeans who don't consider Arabs white. Arabs has always despised black people, Muhammad pointed out that they should obey to caliph even if caliph is black slave as an example that even the most despised people can be pious etc.

>>70903398
>No, it's not and you're a kid if you actually think that.
Yes, it is. Jesus Christ didnt require people to observe Sabbath in order to receive his grace.

All you need to do is believe in and love (thank) Jesus Christ for his sacrifice. That his gift to us, he said it himself.

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>>70903398
>You are going to hell for working on the sabbath, that's just a fact. Deal with it.

the Sabbath was a law in Ancient israel. Jesus did away with those laws mate.

>>70903423
I am really confused on whether you're christian or not. Yes or no?

>>70903389
how retarded someone gotta be to think perceptions = truth.
perception may vary, the truth wont.
that's why you shouldn't skip your highschool hillbilly boy.

>>70903455
Nice bait, you got me this far but you you pushed too much with this one.

Peace.

>>70903481
can you at least start citing sources?

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>>70903478
>perception may vary, the truth wont.
I couldn't agree more.

Thats why reading the holy book is a reliable source.

>>70903463
No, I'm not. I'm a former christian that studies religions and myths and some anthropology.
Also Jesus never existed, that's pretty fucking historically established, you know?

>>70903522
>Also Jesus never existed, that's pretty fucking historically established, you know?

Can you name one historian that agrees with you please

>>70903500
Oh, absolutely. It is a great read.
https://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html

>>70902774
Of course he wasn't black. Who would claim he was except the Nation of Islam which is usual American black sect that has nothing to do with Islam.
>>70902792
Do you know ISIS claims that anyone who doesn't support them is not Muslim and kill people? Read about takfirism. Also they oppress people irrelevant of religion. Most of Syrians do not want to be forbidden from smoking, jerking off, wearing just hijab instead of full paranja clothes and live under the rule of fascist dictatorship.

>>70903545
>Yes, it is. Jesus Christ didnt require people to observe Sabbath in order to receive his grace.
>All you need to do is believe in and love (thank) Jesus Christ for his sacrifice. That his gift to us, he said it himself.
Where does that disprove this?

>>70903518
>this idiot think there isn't any contradiction in koran
seriously nigger? the only truth you can learn from koran is the fact that its multi-interpretable therefore uslims have wide possibility of excuse, therefore cant be trusted

>>70903545
Very embarrassing. If you read these passages you wouldn't be asking these questions.

Example; God createds the birds, then later creates a bird infront on adam.

This is not a contradiction

Ahh the ebionites were a group believing to be a prophet

Nestorians were iffy about the whole mother of god thong

>>70903567
>this idiot think there isn't any contradiction in koran
>this idiot thinks he can keep implying what I'm saying
Quran is a holy book and a reliable source of information on the religion. If you have a problem with whats in it, take that up with Muslims.

Not me.

>>70903553
>Most of Syrians do not want to be forbidden from smoking, jerking off, wearing just hijab instead of full paranja clothes and live under the rule of fascist dictatorship.
Then why aren't they fighting ISIS? With their numbers; it wouldnt even be a match, right?

>>70902986
You're a retard. You can equate Muslims (1,6 billions of people worldwide) with ISIS (who are mostly Arab Sunni Salafist Muslims). Would you imply Assad is not Muslim or his troops aren't Muslims? Would you imply ISIS doesn't execute anyone who opposes them?

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>>70903567
The Quran does have contradictions. You're right.

Like it says that Gods word can never be corrupted, then says the Bible is Gods word, then says that Jesus didn't die on the cross

>>70903639
>>70903628
>Then why aren't they fighting ISIS? With their numbers; it wouldnt even be a match, right?

>>70903540
Every single one besides three that I know of.
Literally you cannot find any mention of Jesus or his acts, even though several other figures are heavily documented in the same time period, except for these very few historians.
One of them I do not recall the name, but was generally regarded as not objective and correct and had a big religious agenda and bias. The other is Saint Thomas Aquinas, which briefly mentioned Jesus, but was a catholic priest mind you. All of the others, specially roman historians, do not once mention anything ever related to it.

In fact, you can trace back all the process of catholics' process of creating a messianic figure. In the old testament John and Moses have extreme similarities to Jesus, all that of course because they were all based on old Mesopotamian tales and other pagan roots.

The only actual evidence of Jesus' existence was the shroud of Turin, which was proved to be fake by carbon dating, since then the Vatican has assumed to be fake, retracted that, went back to claim it was holy and has prohibited any further tests on it.

>>70902662
what a dick. the reality world doesn't work that way.

>>70903663
>Every single one besides three that I know of.
Maybe you don't know enough historians.

>>70903658
You are so deluded, my goodness.
You have a bunch of images pointing out qu'rans shit, but you don't acknowledge any of the same instances in the bible.
What the actual fuck, you embarrass me.

>>70903278
>>nothing can happen without god's approval but committing sin is somehow our fault
If God is real (which he isn't), he's probably ruling our country in a democracy/free market kind of way. I mean, you're not some fucking socialist, are you? You love FREEDOM, don't you?

>>70903410
Are you retarded? There's 100,000 man army fighting ISIS right now in Iraq.

>>70903696
Shitposting won't make historians magically cite Jesus.

>>70903683
Right, in the real world, the Quran isn't a reliable source for Islam and countries don't have borders either.

>>70903609
no you can't you dumbass, there is nothing in that book, if you still think that religion is somewhat untouchable abstract concept beyond human validation, then you're legitimately retarded.
what you need to check is the interpretations, the validation, because that is what define islam in muslim's mind.

>>70903709
>There's 100,000 man army fighting ISIS right now in Iraq.
If less flee, ISIS would be defeated already.

>>70903738
>using unrelated argument to defend himself
classic

>>70903663
Ok cool.

>Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)

“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”

>Phlegon (80-140AD)

“And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)

Cont..

“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)

>Suetonius (69-140AD)

“Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he (Claudius) expelled them from the city (Rome).” (Life of Claudius, 25:4)

>>70903540
>>70903733
>Can you name one historian that agrees with you please

>>70903706
I did

>>70903757
Unrelated how? I don't have to accept justification for Islamic terrorism.

>>70903775
dude is completely losing it

>>70902662
Right there with ya bud.

>>70903120
>Islam is a cult, not a religion
Lolwhat?
>>70903126
He is correct. The main ideas of Christianity, Islam and Judaism are the same. Abrahamic religions differ in nuances, not the core. Core is the same: there is an omnipotent God who have created Earth and humankind and wants humans to live by his law. Sometimes he sends prophets who tell people how God wants them to live. People should obey to laws of God, i.e. organizations which represent it. Laws are pretty much the same.
You see, Christianity in the West is less shitty than Islam just because West is the most developed and the most secular part of the humanity. Ugandan Christians are way worse than Turk Muslims because Uganda is a shithole and Turkey is a second world country. It's especially obvious in Russia where we have Tatars who are totally bro tier and do not really differ from Russians and we have Caucasians who are Muslims too but act like savages. And we have ton of retarded Orthodoxes who send death threats to people who oppose granting state building to the Church or intervene metal concerts or so.
You can also easily compare Christianity in Mexico and Christianity in USA and see a big difference. Compare Irishmen to Mexicans despite they both are Catholics. You may compare arabs in France where only 20% of muslims are practicing muslims to yemeni ones. All that depends totally on country overall development and culture.

>>70903707
i love truth, absolute truth, if that cost my slavery, if god exist, i have no power to defy it, and he practically owned me, i don't care what'll he do with me.
>he's probably ruling our country in a democracy/free market kind of way. I mean, you're not some fucking socialist, are you? You love FREEDOM, don't you?
we know jack shit about this god, how the fuck this conclusion ever come to your mind

>>70903763
>citing anno domini mentions

Are you fucking serious

>>70903818
Christians believe God is a trinity

Muslims and Jews do not. Religions are very different

>>70902621
Many ex-muslims exist.

>>70903753
>there is nothing in that book
>what you need to check is the interpretations, the validation
But the book is irrelevant and not important to the religion, so why are people checking it and interpreting it?

>>70903331
He's acting just as bad as muslims.

>>70903775
Do you understand what burden of proof means? When the vast majority of historians have a general consensus on something you are the one supposed to name historians that have mentioned anything relating to Jesus.

>>70903829
Again with the name calling/swearing and freaking out.

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>>70903844
Because there are forces who have allowed for their existence.

>>70903863
So you can't name any that don't believe Jesus existed?

>>70903839
No, they don't. You don't know anything about christianity.

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>>70903883
>You don't know anything about christianity.
>denying basic tenets of Christianity

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>>70903883
>christians don't believe in the trinity

ooh boy

>>70903851
the book is important for those who BELIEVE it, but negligible for anyone looking what islam actually is.
the point is, if you look for what islam is in koran, you will get at least 2 different contradicting perceptions, which cant be counted as proper definition. the only way you can take it as proper definition is when you take it as inconsistent concept with multi-interpretable contents. thats it, thats the only truth you can dig from koran, you can take the big picture but you will fail to notice the smaller detail

>>70903910
gotta be a troll at this point

>>70903828
>how the fuck this conclusion ever come to your mind
because it doesn't look like he's punishing evil people. it looks like he's letting us settle things on our own

>>70903966
>the point is, if you look for what islam is in koran, you will get at least 2 different contradicting perceptions
Yea we get it.

Simple fact is both interpretations are antithesis of my life.

>>70903910
>>70903926
The trinity is not three entities, it's the one true God, the whole thing is made abundantly clear several times and you'll never find a single bishop, priest or pope that thinks the holy spirit were a second deity.
Catholicism in general changes on whether they view Jesus as a prophet or God Himself.

All abrahamic religions have the one true God.
The fact that you are implying that there are three separate deities worship by catholics is one of the most absurd I have ever read.

>>70903998
>The fact that you are implying that there are three separate deities worship by catholics is one of the most absurd I have ever read.
No one said that, you're inferring that.

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>>70903998
For starters, I'm not catholic

Secondly, you're right. 1 God, 3 in essence. Correct.

Also can you start giving verses for this stuff?
I mean you said earlier that we go to hell for not following the sabboth even AFTER Jesus. Then they you have FIFTY-SIX verses in the KJV contradicting salvation by grace-through-faith.

Come on lad

>>70903994
see? you read koran to make decision, not to write sociology lecture about it.
>>70903987
>it doesn't look like he's punishing evil people. it looks like he's letting us settle things on our own
how the fuck did you proe that our consciousness is independent from any controlled stimulants?
you can't make that conclusion without proper evidence

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i learned everything about islam in 1552

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>>70904070
>you read koran to make decision
Yes, and if I didn't read the Quran because someone told me it was 'debatable' I wouldnt be able to make a decision.

>>70904061
You do understand that everything that I cite from the old testament also has the value of being the immutable eternal word of God and just cause Jesus said all you have to do is accept him they are still the same word, of the same eternal omnipresent God, in the same holy book and thus they have the same exact value?
Jesus didn't erase the old testament.

>>70903164
>You can trace back all the bits both religions stole from old Mesopotamian creeds.
This. It's pretty obvious. You can trace back to Shumerian god El whose name had subsequently became words Elohim and Allah.
>>70903232
Both Christianity and Islam began when some dude claimed himself to be a prophet. It has always been a standard thing in Middle East. There were tons of self-proclaimed prophets, Jesus and Muhammad succeeded because Jesus had great producer called Paul who had funds and reputation to promote his religion, Muhammad married a rich woman and was great at marketing, advertising and handling feudalism issues.
>Christians believe that you cannot earn your way into Heaven
>what is catholicism
>what is protestantism
What you're saying is a thing only in Orthodoxy where you should just regret your sins to get to the heaven.
>Muslims believe that you just need to be a muslim, however salvation is still not guaranteed
No. Salvation is guaranteed for any Muslim in mainstream sunni islam but being good or bad would make you burn long time or short time before being released depending on your sins.
>Being a Jihadist is a sure way to get into heaven
Any abrahamic religion has a cult of martyrs. If you give your life to the God, it's full obedience to god will and he would reward you. Also jihad as a holy war can be started only by righteous Caliph. Muslims do not have a caliph now also historically Caliph become only a religious title with no real secular power which was held by emirs and sultans. Modern jihadism is just a kind of fascist ideology, just another right wing bullshit, MENA oriented.

>>70904125
truth is not related to decision, truth is truth, it just lay there.
can you decide that 2 is a big number without comparing to another number? you can't

>>70904159
>can you decide that 2 is a big number without comparing to another number? you can't
Well again, if Muslims don't let us then we can't decide anything for ourselves.

>willingly believing in a skydaddy
>allowing yourself to be indoctrinated by old tradition which is incompatible with current year
>openly defending religion as a sign of peace and thriving
>justifying this mentally skewed behavior as bring normal due to its numerous prevalence

What happened in your life, that made you worship your subconsciousness, rather than promoting the idea of the big bang theory?
If you disagree with that theory, you better have a better theory

>inb4 God playing Sims and we're the game being played

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>>70902662
this is why people make fun of us

>>70904127
you havent cited anything though. Just made a claim then started name calling

Also, the OT is still the word of God. Correct. But I'm starting to think you don't know much at all about Christianity if you think the laws for the ancient Israelites still stand even AFTER the cross.

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>>70904186
>allowing yourself to be indoctrinated by old tradition which is incompatible with current year
I am resisting that.

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>having normiebook at all

>>70904183
your decision is not my interest, you can stop now

>>70904129
sorry wasnt thinking about catholics and prots as I was posting.
>>70903393
see pic however

>>70904233
>your decision is not my interest,
Then why did you just post over and over again about my decision to view the Quran?

>>70904259
because you insist on its truth value which is my interest to prove your mistake?

>>70904209
You are the one imposing new born baby Orthodox beliefs into Christianity, when all the older and longer creeds are pretty fucking clear on whether you go to hell or not. Your new age shit isn't even a true religion, it's literally cherrypickin shit to suit your convenience. Literally. "I wanna believe I'll go to heaven and still feel warm and good inside but all this shitty rules are hard to follow, I'll just say God accepts me for what I am."
Fuck off, you can't be older than 18 to be this naive.
And I just assume I don't actually have to cite everything that will get you to hell and is on the bible. If God changed his mind it wouldn't be on the bible.

>>70903234
>only Islam punishes people for leaving and for depicted God
Christianity has a long, long history of punishment for leaving religion. It became impune only with the spread of secularism to leave it. In Russian empire you was punished with 8 years of Siberian prison for leaving orthodoxy. Old testament has a death penalty for leaving the religion while many Christians follow it. I would see you stating you leave Christianity somewhere in Ghana. All these abrahamic religions are totally the same, it's retarded to deny it. Also it was forbidden for a long time to depict God in orthodoxy, read about fight of icon-fighters and icon-worshippers in Byzantium. And we have icons and not statues because of it, unlike the west.
Also there are only few retarded states when leaving Islam is punishable by death as Saudi Arabia and shit. Of course you can be threatened by fanatics but it can be the same with Christianity even in USA in some redneck states.

>>70904283
>because you insist on its truth value which is my interest to prove your mistake?
It wouldn't be the holiest book in Islam if it wasn't important to their world view.

When your world view is criticizing people who make depictions of God, thats a problem.

>>70904287
I'm not orthodox
and the King James Bible came out in 1611. The earliest 1st century church hynms equated Jesus with God. There is nothing new about what I believe whatsoever.

Again with the name calling, and now you've openly admitted you have nothing to cite. That's great

>>70904222
ah yes, the "we should go backwards because improvement is bad" mentality.

>>70904306
>In Russian empire you was punished with 8 years of Siberian prison for leaving orthodoxy.
Thats in 'Russia' not in 'Christianity'.

The old testament is Torah (Judaism).

>>70904287
Not only this, but I have said there were things Christians should be doing mate.

>>70903463
>>70903463
>>70903463
see pic

>>70904349
What? Can you even read?

>>70904307
>It wouldn't be the holiest book in Islam if it wasn't important to their world view.
>their
the truth is, its not, not directly. i that's true there'll be no such thing as fatwa or hadits, and islam would ceased its human aspects.
its the humans aspects that is important, islam would not exist without muslims because its not absolute truth that simply wait there waiting to be discovered/re-discovered

>>70904345
I'm not going to spoonfeed you verses talking about how you are going to be punished if you call someone's else slave but it's ok if he survives, or that eating pork will get you to hell, or that believing in other gods will get you to hell, or that God said that women are not allowed to ever teach anything, the mention of fucking sorcerers or all the insanity that Paul put in there. Anyone on the internet have seen these millions of times, anyone that have read the Bible have seen them.
You're just acting ignorant to prolong this fucking clown fiesta of you saying ridiculous things like "they are very different religions!" while cherrypicking three small diferences.
"See, this one was made by Jesus and the other not!"

To be honest you insult my intelligence, which is the only thing that makes me butthurt. So I'll just leave your childish conceptions and notions to yourself and the dumb american.

>>70903373
Hahaha
Read the symbol of faith and read a bible, you idiot. You should follow tons of rules. The fact western Christians do not follow them is because you are too civilized and secular.
>>70903410
>Christians have reformed Christianity over and over. If Muslims really believe that ISIS isn't Islam, they should fight it. Not flee
God, what a retard. First, salafism which radical form ISIS is representing, is a branch of Islam, the most violent and retarded one. It's comparable to God's Army in Uganda. Second, Christianity has never been reformed, it was splitting all the history on tons of denominations. Orthodoxy and Catholicism, Catholicism and Protestantism, etc. Ethiopian Orthodox and Jegovah witness in USA are both Christians despite they believe very different shit. Same with Islam. There are liberal gay mullahs in Sweden and ISIS. There are people like quranists in USA and Sufis who believe practice almost magical rituals.
Third, are you an idiot? There are Iraq army fighting ISIS, Assad army fighting ISIS, some parts of Free Syrian Army fighting ISIS. They are all Muslims. And obviously most of people don't want to fight and want live a comfy safe life that's why everyone who is not brainwashed to give his life for a "Great Syria" or "Caliphate" is fleeing that shit. Especially when all the sides are forcifully enlisting people.

>>70904520
Again. You're biggest argument against Christianity is that you don't understand it and don't want to.

>>70902603
note how wide those graves are

>>70904557
typo*

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>study the bible for years, belong to several vertents of christianity while growing up
>have a dumbass new age hippie that only ever learned his religion from his liberal parents tell you that you don't understand it

>>70903393
>the earliest 1st century church hymns sang about Jesus being God in the flesh, no different from today
There are Armenians who believe Jesus was God and had no human nature in him. Google about pre-Khalkidonian churches. Monophysits.
You westerners don't know a shit about Christianity. It's just a part of pop culture for you. When you say Christianity at best you talk about Catholicism and your protestant church (while having no knowledge about others, for example, some protestants deny Trinity or so), you know nothing about orthodoxy, ancient eastern churches, Christian history.

>>70904623
It says in the bible that people were corrupting christianity even as the NT was being written.

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>>70904618
>king james bible
>new age

>>70903431
Yes, Gnostic Christians. Most of Christians Muhammad interacted with were Gnostics who didn't believe Jesus was God and so.

>>70904618
Sounds like you've been brainwashed for years and having cognitive dissonance when facing another cultist.

>>70904682
King James bible supports everything I've said. Every bible does, the rules are written and you cannot deny them, word of god, gospel, THE FUCKING END.

Also I'm not against Christianity, every religion is important. I'm against fags like you that have distorted it to fit your coziness but still believe to be the description of actual facts. That you actually think your God is the correct one. It's just infinitely insulting.

You were supposed to be focusing on the teachings. They are metaphors.

>>70902706
If it were that simple there wouldn't be priests and several sects of Islam.

>>70904567
Kekeroni

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>>70904743
>the ancient Israelite laws still stand
>you need to work to get into heaven

Not only this, but not one time have I said Christians shouldnt be doing anything. Not one time

>>70903628
>what is Syrian war
Are you seriously that stupid?

>>70904793
>>70904743
Also

>bible says nothing about a trinity

lol

>>70904804
Here, learn something, faggy macfaggot:
http://activechristianity.org/is-the-holy-trinity-biblically-correct/?gclid=Cj0KEQiA_eXEBRDP8fnIlJDXxsIBEiQAAGfyoeVHnnPHY4AuLILcKwd6jKjQRibSyzEDKSaPGfVp-80aAggV8P8HAQ

>>70904793
You've said Christians don't have to do, and that's enough,

>>70903663
Joseph Flavius mentioned Jesus in "Judean antiquities". I actually think he was a real person, but not a God of course, just a dude who made up his own sect claiming he was a prophet and repeating ideas popular at that period (Cumran writings are good example) but than he was executed for claiming he was a rightful ruler of Judea. Than Paul came and promoted all that successfully.

>>70904875
There may have been a Jesus that was baptized and then crucified, but that's pretty much the only thing scholars agree. Most are borrowed from other figures and like I've mentioned you can see attempts to create Proto-Jesuses.

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>>70904850
no i did not

and thoughts on 1st John 5:7?

I feel like I've won this, not one quote from the bible by yourself. Heaps for me.

freaking out at any time you're questioned
> faggy macfaggot:

Ditch the trip and grab a new one mate. This persona you're trying to create on this board is dead.

I'll leave you with this.

1 John 5:7
> For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Catchya mate

>>70903839
>Christians believe God is a trinity
Trinity is just a three different masques of God, and God is the one. Christianity is monotheist religion.

>>70904982
Thank you for telling me something that I know, believe and said either

>>70904998
typo*

earlier

>>70904793
>the ancient Israelite laws still stand
Many protestants believe so, would you claim they aren't Christians? And apostles allowed not following Jewish laws for pagans converting, not everyone. But than Church has decided that it should be spreaded on anyone because Jewish part impeded spreading of Christianity. But as far as most of protestants deny anything except the Bible, adventists, for example, believe they should follow Moses laws.

Matthew 15:21-28King James Version (KJV)

21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.

22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. — Luke 19:27 1

>>70902560
>those stars of david

kike'd

“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war”, “His eyes were as a flame of fire”, clothed in a vesture dipped in blood“, and “out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.”” - Revelations 19

14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? - Luke 14

I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Matthew 10:35-36

The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 12:51-53

>>70902662
How can you function like this in life.

>>70905326
Luke 19 is a parable.
Matt 15:21-28 is an exorcism

>I know nothing about the bible

Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:22
Ye fools and blind. Matthew 23:17, 19
Ye fools. Luke 11:40
O fools, and slow of heart to believe. Luke 24:25

Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out ... And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Matthew 5:28-30
If thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. Matthew 18:8-9
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off ... And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off ... And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:43-48

And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words ... It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Matthew 10:14-15

But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. ... Remember Lot's wife. Luke 17:29-32

>>70905397
Not interested in hear excuses for terrorism.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17

God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. Matthew 15:4
Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death. Mark 7:10

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 8:12

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34, Luke 12:51-53

Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! ... And thou, Capernaum ... shalt be brought down to hell ... it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. Matthew 11:21-24

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men ... whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:29, Luke 12:10

>>70905468
no problem with this

>>70905408
>it literally isn't

>>70905505
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19&version=KJV

it's a parable. Notice how you aren't posting full verses on some of these, and others I have no problem with at all?

>this whole thread
Muslims ETERNALLY btfo by the cool-headed Christians

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>>70904376
He has a point though. Without the enlightenment movement, it might still be punishable in many countries to leave christianity. The middle east never had this particular movement. Though I hope that the Internet might help in this regard, I know the Internet also contains hate and propaganda apart from valuable information.

>>70904743
Every religion being mentioned here is important only in the sense it's an old story that sets the ground work for primary concepts of philosophy.
Once again nothing wrong with that... until you start to take it literally..

>>70902662
You got it
Dirty dune coons will lie its in their book
Kitman and taqiyya.

Never change your mind about them

>>70904201
>He cares what people think about him
Hey man pleaser

>>70905852
This