What's so terrible about having convenient parking lots

>>70857252
I don't think it's bad as such. Just inefficient. People live far from their place of work. Using so manycars pollutes the environment. It's not very aesthetically pleasing.
European cities need more parking, american cities need less.

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>>70857335
It's a land-use preference. It IS inefficient, but in a country with a lot of energy resources, efficiency isn't as critical as elsewhere.

>>70857429
Still doesn't answer pollution provoked by that much traffic everyday.

Plus the US could easily afford decent Mass Transportation System in most of it's big cities

>>70857429
It's a waste of time to drive an hour to and from work everyday

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>>70857252
You're literally just wasting land in the centre of the city
How can you not see that a building in the same place would make more economical sense?
You can make an underground garage just anywhere

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>how do you want your city
>JUST put a highway through my shit senpai

>>70857335
No, European cities don't need more parking. We need to improve public transportation.

>>70858454
Public transport is perfectly fine where i live. Just need more places to park, people will inevitably want to use their car, they should be allowed to do so. What the US does wrong is that the people who don't necessarily want to use a car can't use public transport because it's shit. Throwing money at the bottomless pit that is public transport, won't change people's preferences at all when it's already perfectly functioning.

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literally only vancouver is the only major north american city to not get pozzed by urban autoroutes

god this continent is a shithole

we need to go back and start over again

You have built entire fucking cities around the existence of the car. That's pretty crazy ay

>>70858523
>won't change people's preferences
Which is why you force them, like you guys did in London.

>>70858526
Why is it the case desu? Are Americans so dumb they didn't realise they could build them in the periphery?

>>70858597
>Are Americans so dumb they didn't realise they could build them in the periphery?
you cant, the parking spots need to be within walking distance of the buildings they serve

the only logical way to build CBDs with cars in mind is to build underground parking. its incredibly wasteful use of land to pave it over and use it for parking. I mean for fucks sake its not even tiered parking.

even better is plan downtown cores around rapid transit and fuck cars

>>70858597
Driving doesn't work in London. All the roads are congested, parking costs 6/7 quid an hour. Congestion fees are extortionate. All this discouragement and people still use cars. Clearly shows having a good public transport system doesn't alter preferences to the degree you'd want.

>>70858670
the london road network is used to capacity, and the state makes a bunch of money off the congestion

the only way to improve capacity in london would be a bunch of motorways, but car usage would increase until those motorways were clogged every day, as well.

increasing road capacity doesn't work, because the number of cars will increase until theres congestion

improving public transit works because theres no congestion possible in a closed rapid transit system

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>>70858649
Can't you just make the highway in periphery and have normal roads inside the city?
Pic related is how most major French cities are connected to highways

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>>70858768
all major north american cities have orbital highways, and highways that enter the centre city

pic related, the 30 (south) and 640 (north) form the ring highways for this region of 4 million people

the 720 goes right into city, with parts in a tunnel and parts elevated

>>70858718
Improving public transit won't encourage more people to use it. Whichever way you spin it, the tube is infinitely easier to get around in than cars. Yet people still drive. Again, throwing money at public transport won't help, because people value the comfort and privacy of a car.

>>70858819
youre simply wrong, buddy. most people unless theyre american runts will prefer quality rail based transport over a car for commuting. You'll probably never have people preferring the bus over a car to do the shopping, but for capturing peak ridership, increasing public transit service DOES take people off the roads.

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>>70858526
Density is fine, but in the US and Canada, people generally prefer to have more residential space - including outdoors space like yards - if given the option and ability.

Apartments and dense urban housing is usually for younger people who live in the city while single, or older retirees who have money and want to be closer to things like hospitals and restaurants.

>>70858909
the vast majority of NYC was built before WW2. the parts that weren't like staten island and outer queens looks and feel like shit.

Auto-centric sprawl was a mistake. Suburbs should have made with commuter rail like they used to be.

>>70858858
You're not thinking logically at all. Public transport is already easier to use than cars. Yet many still decide to use cars. This clearly shows many people are actually "american runts" and prefer the benefits of privacy and luxury that public transport will never give, however many millions you throw at it.

>>70857252
this looks China

>>70857955
Get transportation or infrastructure built in the U.S is nigh impossible.

>>70858391
>he doesn't have a highway running through his city
That shit is maximum comfy. Nothing is better than driving back from Disney World at night and passing through Orlando.

>>70857955

>2nd Ave Line
>all of 30 blocks as opposed to going from the LES to the Bronx like it was supposed to
>took over 90 years to actually get any of it built
>fares going up in a month
>cost billions

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>>70858819
You can implement radical solutions like Singapore, which limits the number of vehicle registration permits, and sells them via auctions.

As a result, traffic in Singapore is fairly reasonable, even though it's a dense, wealthy city.

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>>70858952
when great public transit is available, people use it

thats why NYC has european tier public transit share because of the density and availability of transit

>>70859021
But Singapore is so small a car would actually be a burden and slower than the MRT (speed limit is 70km/h)
I wouldn't use Singapore as an example for anything desu.

>>70859004
Would be way cheaper if it was made by a state owned company but people will say I'm a committed.

>>70858977
Nothing is better than traveling by train, with your gf falling asleep on your shoulder while you admire the countryside.

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>>70858977
so comfy

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>>70858526
There are some car-friendly European cities, though. Minsk has wide avenues and lots of parking even in the middle of town. I noticed lots of parking space and wide roadways in St. Petersburg outside of the old city, too.

>>70859286
soviet """"""""""""modernism"""""""""""

their people still took trolleybuses to work every day

>>70857252
People prefer nature and historical landmarks over parking lots. But it's not like it's impossible to find a place to park, just more difficult

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>grow up loving muscle cars with big loud v8 engines
>in uni now and on the verge of starting a career that will finally allow me to afford my interests
>everyone is starting to think you and your interests are highly dangerous, destructive, and irresponsible
>you'll be forced to live in an overly dense city without a personal car after small towns economically die for good

>>70858977
>Nothing is better than driving back from Disney World at night and passing through Orlando
Truly the pinnacle of human race, life can't peak any higher. God bless.