Why eastern europe didn't develop as well as western europe

turkic people

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>>70785669

communism is a plauge

From that region Poland seems the best country to live in. Or the baltics.

>>70785764
slovenia and czech republic is pretty good too

>>70785764
Those countries experience emigration on the biggest scale. Something like quarter of Lithuanians is in Western Europe.

>>70785607
It mentally crippled our society by hardcoding following into minds of man:
state authority = enemy (as opposed to servant)
laws = obstacles
cheating and fraud = cleverness
enterprise = cheating and fraud

It will take time and new generation, not born under this baggage, to take over. And let's hope that the new generation instead adopts less self-destructive stances, that's another concern in this modern age.

>>70785607
It's never been as developed, don't know why

shitlist of shit cultures, listed from best to worst:

- social media lifestyle
- alcoholism
- communism
- islam
- gypsy

feel free to add

>>70785823
But state authority IS the enemy.
Politicians aren't your servants and have never been, they are parasites, they produce nothing and live leeching off of your money while writing stupid laws that only apply to you and telling you what to do.

The reason most of the world is so backwards is because so many people believe that state authority is legitimate and politicians are some sort of angels that will organize society for us correctly.

>>70785919
>gypsy

I thought that was only Romania though.

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>>70785607
Russia is pretty good country. There are all that you want :3

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>>70785607
We have big malls and skyscrapers

>>70785922
>t. favelado

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>>70785853
gee i wonder why

>>70785973
Is this the best you can come up with?
Seriously?

This is pathetic.

>>70785919
your post is complete fucking nonsense. "best to worst"?

it was just alcoholism. that's pretty much it, still is.

islam, social media, communism, you're a retard, you know that? none of this ever matter

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>>70785949
They are everywhere in eastern europe

>>70785919
>islam
Only Bosnia and Albania have a significant number of Muslims, the rest of Eastern Europe has way lesser Muslims than any western European country

>>70785953
I wish i could live in some countryside russian city at least for a few months, to see what life is like there. It's probably not much different from Brazil.

Don't think it'd stand the cold, though.

>>70785823
this

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>>70785919
>leave communism
>just in time to adopt western degeneracy
reeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>70786046
>what is Kosovo

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>>70786017
well when two of the shit cultures combine they double up their power which is why you're able to rank the alcoholics lower than yourself

>>70786126
Certainly not a country

>the best countries to live in Eastern Europe are...
>gives a list of perceived "whiteness", glorious arms or something third
These posts are just uncut diamonds shining with delusion. You fucking imbeciles, everyone is Emigrating. "E" from Latin "ex", meaning "from/away". How the fuck are his, my, your country best to live in, in Eastern Europe, if half of our people live abroad? There's 4 and a half million Croats abroad and 3,8 million in Croatia

>>70786007
If you don't see value of and need for law and regulation and professional civil service that would administer it then you are a delusional retard and favela is not only where you belong, it's what you're advocating for.

>>70785973
he's right though
you are pretty naive if you believe state/politicians act in your favor

>>70786126
>Kosovo is in any way a country other than on paper

>>70786017
These people are the future academic creme de la creme of their respective countries, but just look at these fucking baboons and their posts. I know I've heard a few people here studying international relations. God fucking help us if these are their hot opinions

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>>70786156
and honestly, as a surprisingly and undeservedly rich guy who's been all over the place, i don't get why croats don't like croatia. it's a sweet place. i mean it's no miami but it's definitely better than places like germany or the UK or scandinavia, jesus

>>70786160
Laws and regulations do absolutely nothing and politicians couldn't possibly care less about you, your health, your safety or anything else for that matter.
Favelas are the result of state intrusion, not lack of it.

You're a pathetic statist.

>>70785816
This is true, most of them seem to come here for some reason

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>>70786221
I diagnose you with assburgers

edit: I used the wrong gif, this one should have been named "yes [something]" at least

>>70785965
>We have big malls
its funny third worlders think this is a sign of wealth.

its a sign of muricanism.

>>70785607
Eastern europe doesn't really lie on major trade routes and is in general quite out of the way, it's obvious how it is less developped than the western half which hit the jackpot of good locations.

>>70786277
By them I mean Lithuanians and not Eastern Euros in general

>>70786277
must be your charming smile or your welcoming weather. what else could it be?

>>70786165
Anarchists are a blight. Left or right.

Hope you both grow out of it.

Society, economy and legal relations need both formal codification and authority to administer them and resolve disputes. And even if you assumed that politicians are self-serving jerks, they ARE working in such a way that will get them elected again.
And if the voters are too retarded to watch the few elected representatives then you are fucked no matter what system you have in place.

>>70786256
Ok. Good luck on your seasteading project.

>>70786338
>promptly changes his image because he wouldn't want to be misunderstood as he shitposts
Takes one to know one, right?

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>>70785607
eh best educated eastern eurocunts are already better off, ie estonia, czechia, etc.

the balkans and rest will probably be chronic shitholes though on par with latin america.

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>>70786426
I typed the name of the image I wanted but the stupid computer gave me the wrong gotdamn image

what was I supposed to do

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>>70785607
USSR

>>70786452
>estonia best educated
>estonia has super-fast internet
>estonia this estonia that

alright seriously what the fuck is up with this place? have any of you even been to estonia? does it even exist?

>>70786521
eh skype was invented there, other than that nobody would know what the fuck an estonian is and assumes its some armenian guy.

>>70786521
They seem to have a transparent enough government that allows them to economically prosper. They obviously have a unique reason to keep chasing the edge of the knife, neighbouring Russia. They can't be economically and socially complacent

>>70786579
skype was made in sweden u cunt

>>70786589
How can a government economically prosper if it's being transparent? don't talk bullshit

>>70786650
"They have", "them"
Learn to read, Srđane, for fuck sake. "The people of Estonia". Or do I need to draw that and colour it so you can scan it into your bojanka

>>70786392
I'm not an anarchist, but every single thing he wrote is correct, at least here

>And even if you assumed that politicians are self-serving jerks
they are and most of them are just in for the gibs, you might have some "visionaires" but they usually don't last long
career politicians are textbook cretins with delusion of grandeur
if you seriously think these people create laws to serve anyone but themselves, you are truly naive

>And if the voters are too retarded
they are
do we even live in the same country?

>>70786689
>They seem to have a transparent enough government that allows them to economically prosper
>transparent enough government that allows them to economically prosper
>the thing allowing them to economically prosper being the ...goverment? the people being utterly obsolete? my god Hrvoje, why are you embarassing yourself this way?

>>70786789
Now insert "the people of Estonia" there

>The people of Estonia, seem to have a transparent enough government that allows the people of Estonia to economically prosper
You fucking idiot

>>70786689
>>70786689
>>70786689

>>70786414
good luck having your laws protect you from anything
like they are protecting people in france from muslim truck drivers right now

>>70786277
You, brit fuckwit, who's right here
>>70786650
>>70786689
>>70786789

>>70786879
thats the beauty of law, it is the sum of quality of law and the quality of characters. in other words, observing the way laws are applied tells you as much about the laws as about the people.

>>70786879
>a country where people see no value in laws
>become totally corrupt ridden shithole barely crawling out of the 19th century

>meanwhile countries that are law-abiding and orderly (germany, japan, etc.) are peaceful, calm and great places

that's the value of law and rule of law countries joao. you need a populace to obey it and since you obey the law of the jungle i'm afraid you won't experience this.

>>70785764
Poland is Central Europe

>>70785607
Communism

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>>70786156
Pretty comfy in here desu

>>70786979
Nyet. Commiblocks and slavik language are the markers of eastern Europe.

>>70786896
>>70786384
Learn to read you illiterate retard

>>70786979
>>70786979
technically speaking, but you're full of slavs, so that means you're eastern europe. geopolitics are irrelevant, slavs=eastern europe, it's easier to follow

>>70786221
How do I properly educate myself?

>>70787055
europe's eastern limit is the urals. if we divide it in more or less equidistant tertiles, russia alone is eastern, germany and west is west, and in between is central.

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>>70785607
>>70785669
>>70785691
>>70785695

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>>70787055
>>70787142
hmmmmmmmmmmm

>>70787055
Czechians speak a slavic language, but they are civilized, rich, progressive and western.

>>70787140
do you not get your post is completely irrelevant? did i link to your post? no? then pip pip cheerio you sodding wanker, get to it

>>70786978
>country where people see no values in laws
Stupid hyperbole, i'm not a representation of the whole country. In fact, people like me, ancaps, are a very tiny minority, you should knows this.

And Brazil isn't the way it is because of laws, it is the way it is because of government, because of the state.

Japanese culture is opressive and they have insane suicide rates and look where being good slaves (aka law abiding people) got the germans right now.

Fuck you statist bootlickers.

>>70787170
>yfw your iq is +46 points above average of cunt
not surprised

>>70787158
>tfw central europe

>>70787239
>I am very smart
ok

>>70787211
Why so salty

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland
>Poland is a country in Central Europe

>>70787218
living together equals compromise. the age of vast empty unsettled lands are over.

My mom is from Transnistria, it's the sittiest part of the sittiest country in Europe.

>>70787257
feels good, also feels bad

>>70787181
What's wrong with that central part of Sverige?

>>70787265
>Croatia ... is a sovereign state between Central Europe, Southeast Europe, and the Mediterranean
Never conclusive

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feels good man

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>>70785607
>Did communism set eastern europe back so hard?
Not in the longterm imo, but since its just 30 years since its fall, we are still pretty shit

>>70787362
Central Europe is a meme. There are only civilized western and shitty eastern.

>>70787327
sharia

Yes
/thread

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>>70787218
>Being an Ancap unironically.
I was about to call you a stupid nigger but you're too much of an easy target desu.

>>70787218
i'm just joking mate, i've met smart educated BRs so don't assume your entire country is a giant monkey cage.

weird though, they are all hardcore capitalist libertarians which i get since anything else would fail in brazil but some state intervention is good when you have a functional educated population.

>>70787257
more like "my cunt is very stupid"

>>70787394
So had Eastern europe been shitty before commieroach invasion?

>>70787338
slavs-eastern europe

god, why are you people so defensive about this simple way everyone views you anyway? you think the guy from france is gonna leave this thread thinking to himself "boy, i sure am glad i learned today that croatia is located between central and south-east europe while sharing a border with italy!

and now i'm gonna learn the cyrillic alphabet, just to futher my knowledge!

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>>70787400
slaveshits be jelly
pictured: border between Central and eastern Europe

>>70787456
no, czechoslovakia was before ww2 top8 worldwide

Western europe is full of shitskins
Eastern europe is poor
Central Europe master race(except Austria)

>>70787456
generally eastern europe became shit during the 18th century

>>70787456
Commies set us back kind of a lot, if you look at the picture. I just think we can get back up again.

>>70787400
only because your east slav mind cant think of anything except zerosum development. under current EU stewardship, cerntal europeans are developing and are decidedly better off then russia, apart from perhaps moscow and petrograd.

a polish-led panslavic movement would have reached much more methinks.

>>70787485
also a shit ton of great projects during soviet era stopped by soviets bosses

>>70787483
This is a border between eastern and western europe

>>70787514
t. Muhammed

We have per capita GDP of 20,000 USD which makes us highest in ex-communist bloc. :^)

Slow development is a aftermath of comunism.

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>b-but Central Europe is a meme!!! CYKA

>>70787571
you could not have proven my point any better, thank you.

>>70786126
>what is kosovo
Exactly

>>70787649
if i don't mistake, kosovo je srbija

>>70786155
>>70786221
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>>70787683
fuck off m8s

>>70786452
It's funny how Estonia is given the credit for being the best EE country though it's clearly not, Czechia and Slovenia are way better and will probably always be better. This meme about Estonia needs to stop. Have you guys ever been there? Talinn centre is good looking, there are some new skyscrapers, but everything else is shit. It's full of commieblocks and bad infrastructure (it makes it even worse given the fact that Estonia is very flat and sparsely populated, so there is no reason for their roads to be so bad). Lithuania looks better, at least in my opinion.

>>70787749
But can you vote through the internet in Slovenia?

No? Bravo, Estonia!

I give you honest answer which is that Eastern Europe was always poorer, weaker, more backward part of Europe since Middle Ages. Geography, climate, and soil not as good, and most of countries are landlocked.

Czech lands always pretty well off because of favorable location in central Europe and strong middle class, but country like Romania, Ukraine, Bulgaria, always poor quasi-feudal peasant societies.

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>>70787649

>>70787776
I was surprised how good your roads are. You are clearly showing sings of progress, a few years and you will be ahead of Estonia too.

>>70787749
why...would you ever go to estonia? what's in estonia that made you say, "huh, i need to visit that place?"

>>70786342
funny enough the first mall was invented by a french guy.

>>70785607
Why south america didn't develop as well as northern america did?

Did catholicism set south america back so hard?

>>70787838
I was in Tampere, Finland and we decided to take a trip to Helsinki and then to Estonia for a weekend. Ferry ride to Talinn was pretty fun though, full of drunk finns and british students.

>>70787916
You'd think so, but it was actually socialism.

Look how well Chile is developed compared to most others.

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>>70787831
Yeah, we've made big progress in motorways and expressways. City roads are still far from good though.

>>70787916
legitimately lower IQ.

>>70787805
You need to come on down to dubrovnik town mate, we'll sort that self-deprecating funk out of you. few canadian girls, few japs, you'll go right back to not being a pussy in no time

>>70787916
>Did catholicism set south america back so hard?
Yes. But not only that, corruption, laziness etc. too. "Socialism" didn't play a role as important as you think, it's just an end product.

>>70787838
we often go over there on New Year

>>70787940
drunk finns...all right, i'll allow it

The Balkans of course suffered half a millenia of Turkish occupation. Poland was wealthy superpower in 16th-17th centuries, but they didn't have middle class and all wealth was invested in building nobility shiny palaces.

Hungary has historically not had much middle class either and state control of economy always pretty strong.

>>70787961
It was also interesting to observe villages getting slowly better and richer looking going from northeast to Czech border. A very clear difference between south and northeast Poland, at least what I've seen. Also your main roads are good too (for the most part, there are some russian tier parts, but those were very scarce), we werent driving on the highways for the most part, cuz we wanted to see some countryside.

>>70788026
>The Balkans of course suffered half a millenia of Turkish occupation
Blaming lack of development on the Ottomans is outright retarded.

>>70788026
i must have missed these 500 years of turkish occupation. god i need to focus more

>>70785607
It's coz Eastern Europe turned into a feudal supplier of food for capitalist Western Europe around the time of the renaissance and instituted a system of enormous dominical land holdings where peasants' rights and conditions worsened compared to the middle ages, if anything. Note that Slovenia and the Czech republic were not a part of this system due to their relatively old and fragmented system of intervowen clerical, feudal and dominical land holdings within Austria.

>>70788121
This guy knows what's up.

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>let's blame da communists xDDDD

No.

First it was the Ott*mans, then the communists. You can easily see that the eastern euro countries that weren't under Ottoman rule or were, but for smaller periods of time, are still better than the ones like us or the Serbs who had to live in the backwards T*rk empire for 500 years.

>>70788165
That looks like it was made in 2003

>>70788115
Yes, Croatia was not part of Ottoman Empire. I should have mentioned that.

>>70788227
End of 2009

http://www.pewglobal.org/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/

>>70788194
meh, didn't mind the commines(wel, socialists so much). of course serbs had to be serbs, can't stop an asshole from being an asshole. if they hadn't we may have been an actually relevant country.

>>70788165
Pure nostalgia. Same fags that cry about gommunism now were 20 years ago protesting to end it

>>70788273
>>70788165
>opinion polls
into the trash it goes

>>70788300
Perhaps they realised that some aspects of life back then (full employment for example) were good

>>70788307
I'll remember that the next time I hear anticommunists cry "you never lived under communism". People who did live under it seem to miss it somewhat.

https://www.rt.com/politics/340158-most-russians-regret-ussr-has/

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>>70787181
please stop using meme maps

>>70788121
>Note that Slovenia and the Czech republic were not a part of this system
I guess you could also include Croatia in that.

Since Balkans was under Ottoman control during the period in question, it's hard to say how they would have developed otherwise.

>>70785607
Which of these europoor countries can be called first world or "developed"?

I would say Poland, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, Hungary and Croatia but I don't know shit.

>>70787181
wtf is wrong with Portugal and Corsica

>>70785607

No, fool, we weren't barbarians who devastated other continents. We actually have some moral principles, western europe without the stealing would be tanzania tier shithole.

>>70785853
Maybe they don't hold creativity and intelligence in as high a regard? I know I kindof went into Physics in college because for the rest of my life I'm like, "better" and don't have to worry at all about any insecurity.

>he's kindof an autist
>he's kindof weird
>lol who cares tho he's smart as fuck it's all good

>>70788584
We're closest thing here to developed cunt, but $20,000 per capita GDP still not close to Germany, Sweden, France, etc.

>>70788588
see >>70788543. Just shitty meme maps still floating around from the Barbosa times.

Uneducated monkey brasil, we're nordic now.

>>70788584
Slovenia, Croatia and Czech Republic are the only ones I'd live in

You couldn't pay me to live in Hungary or Poland

Why are slavic women so attractive while the men look like dog shit?

>>70788476
You have no clue what are you talking about. There was never full employment.

>>70788693
>You couldn't pay me to live in Hungary or Poland

Really?
Why? Both seem pretty comfy to live in. And the girls are pretty.

>>70788165

>question wording varied slightly in Lithuania

>>70788693
Croatia isn't doing well economically. It looks nice when you go there for summer holiday, but the country has been in a recession for a very long time.

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>>70788739
>implying

>>70788194
Bulgarians are just assimilated Turks.
Daily reminder.

>>70788675
Oh fuck, I forgot about the Balts. They seem nice cunts.

>>70788739
>moving to a country because of the girls
this is probably the single most retarded reason to do it, kill yourself

>>70788644
Wrong. Eastern European cunts are furthest thing from anti-intellectual, unfortunately degrees in liberal arts and philosophy are valued more than STEM subject. Education and research institutes in Eastern Europe are also horribly feudal. Getting degree or job usually depends on who you know or who you can bribe rather than how qualified you are.

>>70788897
>Education and research institutes in Eastern Europe are also horribly feudal. Getting degree or job usually depends on who you know or who you can bribe rather than how qualified you are.
This is so true that it hurts

>comfy weather
>landscapes
>blonde pussy
>top quality women
>they are starting to try free market
Balts are the best

>>70788794
well they had to account for your permanent butthurt

>>70788779
poor shitholes full of retards who think their countries are the best thing since sliced bread

>>70788897
>or job usually depends on who you know or who you can bribe rather than how qualified you are.
it's called life.

>>70788897
>Education and research institutes in Eastern Europe are also horribly feudal. Getting degree or job usually depends on who you know or who you can bribe rather than how qualified you are.

Exactly the same in Brazil.
Our universities are turning young people into activists, socialists and professional whiners, rather than valuable people.

>>70788739
Are you fucking faggot? Why do you care what men look like?

>>70788993
>r*ssians consider bribery a regular part of life
explains a lot

>>70788988

During interwar we were finland tier and ussr threw us into stagnation for 50 years

>>70789027
You don't have to be so butthurt about it, Andrej.
It's not my fault you look like my ballsack when it's cold.

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>>70789057
Good goy.

>>70789083
>we wuz kangs and sheeeit before stalin

the common cry among eastern yuros i've noticed

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>>70789117
You think i care if monkey sees me as attractive?

>>70788988
well now you're forcing me to defend hungary and i hate that, but come on, that's basically every country. i mean news flash, no one likes blood pudding for fucks sake. no one likes your weird accents. no one likes your weather. no one likes the way you lick the US's asshole. we somethimes dream about being penetrated by kate beckinsale with a giant black dildo, but we don't exactly like that either

You still think your country's is great? of course you do, and that's perfectly okay.People are allowed to like the places they live in

>>70789057
They were a normal people two hundred years ago, but then commies, oligarkhs and shit turned them into animals.

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>>70789199
Now they're Anglo and Sheeeet.

>>70789207
>You still think your country's is great?
Not really, I don't care for dumb nationalism.

>>70789207
fuck you i LOVE english weather
LOVE

>>70789214
two hundred years ago you even weren't on map.

People who miss full employment have forgotten how shit were the jobs they were forced to do.
People who miss absence of homelessness don't mind that these people were locked up in jails and insane asylums instead.
People who don't care about economic prosperity miss commies because they see their neighbor becoming rich on what they see as immoral and fraudulent practices (and in post-communist economy they may be actually right)
People who miss communism because they see government today as corrupt fail to realize that communism formed the people who are now in charge.

Honestly most of the reasons why people may justifiably miss communism is in itself fault of how communism prepared them for living in freedom.

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>>70788584
Advanced economies according to the IMF

>>70789354
And now Poland has higher GDP and HDI than Russia.

>>70785607
Eastern europe was always poorer but every easrern european cunt have some myth how awesome they were

>>70789425
per capita*

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>>70788584
HDI

>>70788996
What happens in Eastern Europe is that students would get degree in classical music composition or French literature or history of Baroque painting or something to that effect, and with their unmarketable skills, only thing they can do is get job in state bureaucracy which is essentially glorified welfare. Guaranteed total job security, no real work, and guaranteed retirement at 60 with cozy pension.

Of course, what also happen is that so many people would get jobs in government agencies that they get all filled up and most applicants get rejected. The losers who can't find employment sit around in cafe blaming their problems on the Jews or the fact that their country doesn't own X piece of clay.

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>>70788584
World Bank's high income economies

>>70789301
eh, difference between dumb nationalism and no nationalism. you're stuck where you are, for now at least, might as well like it. besides, women whose organizational skills are poor enough to get dragged into something like this are totally passive enought to let you fuck them.

i mean...win win

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>>70789553
OECD members

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>>70789638
Development Assistence Committee members

>>70786375
This

>>70789409
Yeah they forget the lack of consumer goods, the long lines at shops, the nonstop police surveillance, the bullshit political propaganda you had to recite at school and at work, the awful food that made people sick and stunted growth from malnutrition, the fact that you needed permission to travel outside the country, the fact that you could get v& for listening to a West German radio station or rock music, etc.

>>70789476
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>>70789708
Bravo, Central Europe!

>>70785607

Outdated map.

>>70789638
>>70789553
I guess these institutions fell for the Chile meme.

>>70789937
accept the truth.

>>70788796
ayy
we're getting back on our feet

>>70790160
Good luck. You guys are nice.

>>70789814
funny how we are getting close to some things but instead of it being in the name of communism its in the name of human rights, fighting right wing extremism and hatred

>>70785607
>Why eastern europe didn't develop as well as western europe did?
Except perhaps the countries/areas attached to the more wealthy parts of Europe this divide actually started to form a few centuries ago. Can't arse myself to look through my library to look it up where I read it.

>>70790326
Winston Churchill said that when fascism returns, it will call itself anti-fascism.

>>70785607
Mentality.

I've never been in a country where there this many uninterested people helping you. Even the girls outside of a restaurant trying to lure you into their restaurant look like they don't care.

>>70790566
No, that's a misattributed quote. Ignazio Silone said it.

>>70790660
To be honest, Romania had much worse and more lunatic-tier communist regime than us.

>>70790566
>taking that drunk old racist warmonger seriously

>>70790660
because they dont and why should they

>>70785607
because of Stalin's exploitation of these countries

>>70791782
Because if people are happy and see happiness they spend more, spending more gives more opportunities for inverters, creating more possibilities to gain wealth, which lets you spend more and on and on.

>>70790326
Yes, I truly see a lot of pressure to reinstate shooting people at borders and to reintroduce death penalty for the dissenters.

>>70790190
:)
diky