Why do so many Germans still like Merkel despite all of the things

>>70455328
Cucked country will do anything for being cucked.

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>>70455328
>2017
>trusting polls
when will you retards learn?

>>70455328
the pos are rigged to force pro immigration legislation

No real opposition.
Merkel is not a good chancellor.
But it is astonishing how the opposition constantly fucks everything up.
Even without a proper election campaign she would win in 2017.

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wtf how can nonracist people still exist?? ive been posting so hard in /pol/ and reddit, why aren't they extinct yet??

She just seems nice t b h

>>70455328
How about we stop listening to polls and wait for the election.

Because she's incredibly competent. I would vote for her too.

>>70455545
Don't forget:
>SPD make Schulz their candidate
>unlike Endsiegmar, people actually kinda like them
>SPD regains some percentage
>yet another Groko incoming

>>70457955
*kinda like him

>>70457703
>>70455390
This. Polls were keep saying that Shillary would win as well.

>>70455560
this, lol

>>70455328

masochism, honestly... can't think of anything else.

We are genetically predispositioned for unquestioning servdom.

>>70455328
Germans love muslim immigrants. That's all.

>>70455328
Because the alternatives are all shit, meme parties. Merkel herself is a less offensive and corrupt Hillary Clinton.

krauts dont think like europeans

>>70455328
Why do so many autists hate merkel despite having literally no knowledge of her actual policies or legal and political circumstances?

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>>70455328
There's some shitty things going on in Germany right now, including police being inclined to look the other way when it comes to refugee-related crimes - all because of politics and political agendas. It's understandable German citizens would start getting fed up with it and want to put a cap on the flood of migrants.

On the other hand, Merkel is avoiding what many leaders seem more inclined towards doing, which is whipping their citizens up in a frenzy of fear and violent panic. She's not reacting like an average citizen who only makes knee-jerk decisions on an ad hoc basis. In other words, she's acting like an adult instead of a teenager who only swings left or right depending on what his hormones are telling him.

It's exciting and romantic for a while to have a leader who wants to just be some kind of lone ranger playing by his own rules, but historically it's a piss poor approach to national leadership and policy management. Capitulating to baser instincts and wanting to follow a strongman who cares nothing for civil liberties is literally China or Russia-tier.

And it has a habit of turning societies into terrible, fearful places to live. Corruption thrives in societies like that because transparency and accountability tend to go out the window.

They're smart enough not to flip the table because of a single issue like americans.
>implying 80% of evangelicals voted for trump because of his piety
lel enjoy roe v wade being overturned.

Honestly she's not complete garbage, merkel isn't some corrupt, warmongering cunt like Clinton. She's average, she isn't perfect by no means but it's not like Germany is gone with her leading. Yeah, I know the refugee situation hasn't been handled in the right way, but it's gonna take a lot more than 1 million refugees to destroy germany. Also does /pol/ not realize they sound just as retarded as the idiotic liberals that say, "OMG trump will kill minorities and destroy America".

>>70457955
If there's one person who's more hated here than Merkel then it's Schulz lol.

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>>70455328
I don't know man. I just want it to stop.

>>70458534
This. I would love to have a more competent conservative chancellor but she's the best we can get at the moment. Voting for someome else just because you don't like the current status quo has never led to good things.

>>70458426
This. German citizens are seeing Trump's administration and getting a clear window into what their future could be if they decide to go full AfD.

Whatever one might think of immigration and globalization, trying to turn back the clock and revert to isolationism while erecting ineffectual walls is literally a sticking-your-head-in-the-sand policy.

Isolationism has never worked for any society. Those like Japan and China who successfully managed to seal themselves off from the rest of the world eventually woke up centuries later to find themselves I'll-equipped to handle contemporary challenges that would inevitably force them out of their self-imposed solitude.

i hate how liberal Europe is, but let's be honest all the right wing parties are absolute shit.

>>70458534
sums it up pretty good. and considering our polical system, it is really unlikely that someone else would reign.
The upcoming election is just about what coalition we will have.
>flag
thats a surprise.

>>70458534
>warmongering cunt like Clinton

Odd that Trump supporters keep coming back to this even as their golden boy is clearly provoking war with China.

>>70458534
A sensible opinion from an American.
Colour me surprised.

>>70459049

As opposed to provoking war with Russia, a war that could actually plausibly happen.

>>70459049
where the hell in my post does it say that I'm a trump supporter. I don't think merkel is terrible and pointed how hypocritical and stupid /pol/ is. Just fuck off you newfag

>>70457998
And they were correct if you consider she won the popular vote

>>70459178

>And they were correct if you consider she won the popular vote

No they weren't, because none of the polls were polling for the popular vote you fucking idiot, why would they poll something that doesn't matter?

>>70459121
Don't worry, that will happen as well when he decides to bomb Tehran.

>>70458534
pretty much this. and on 4chan everything she gets is rapefugees. they never talk about any other thing shes done

>>70459249
What are you talking about retard the majority of polls stated she would win the popular vote, it was consistent in that regard

>>70459121
War with Russia might as well be a distant memory under the new administration. Even France is on the verge of lifting sanctions. Instead, Trump is (very clumsily) trying to pull a reverse-Nixon, attempting to court Moscow and eventually bring it into his corner to directly challenge Beijing. It's not going to happen for a swathe of reasons but in the process he's already challenging China's claims in the SCS and entertaining the idea of recognizing Taiwanese independence - both of which will directly lead to war.

>>70459136
Backpedal more.

>>70459306

>What are you talking about retard the majority of polls stated she would win the popular vote

No, no one does polls for the popular vote because the popular vote doesn't fucking matter.

They poll how likely a candidate is to win the election.

>>70455328
Because they not sensitive brain dead children who overeating at the slightest issue unlike Trumpinistanian ?

>>70455328
>despite all of the things she's done to the country?
apart from refugee crisis, what sort of things do you mean?

>>70458365
This to be honest.

>>70458534
>but it's gonna take a lot more than 1 million refugees to destroy germany

They are gonna multiply, ghettoize, vote and demand gibs. Ethnic Germans are not really fond of procreation right now so this will end up in a generation that might be 25% muslim. Germans have brought cancer into their midst.

>>70459436
>Germans have brought

lol

>>70458787
You mean the countries dominating the world markets? How can you cite the country that came back from massive fuckups on both ends. Japan is the tech center of the world and China is the center of manufacturing things. They sell products to the entire world and Japan has done so since ww2. Your post makes no sense, it's just rhetoric to make yourself feel good. China and Japan have recovered from destruction, the latter just doesn't let immigrants full up their safe country and China deals with enough shot from inside as it is

>>70459436
>They are gonna multiply, ghettoize, vote and demand gibs.
That would imply that they become German citizens

>>70458750
>Voting for someome else just because you don't like the current status quo has never led to good things.
??????
Are you saying elections shouldn't exist?

>>70455328
Media and missing opposition.

Except for the AfD all the parties are pretty much the same.
Plus media is telling the people if you vote for the AfD you're a Nazi.

>>70455328
I think the economy is doing well under her. I guess some people care more about having a steady source of income than immigration

>>70457955
>>70457993
gabriel has the charisma of a tin loaf

>>70455328

Now that Trump is president Merkel is the leader of the free world.

>>70459540
I am not saying AfD are nazis, but I am pretty concerned by Höcke calling the holocaust memorial a disgrace

>>70459338
So being nice to a country is pandering and stupid but staying steadfast vs one is corrupt warmongering. Great logic from the guy in beta land

>>70459498
not that guy but tbf you'll have hard time containing these people, nevermind integrating them.

Best hope I can see is EU browbeating multiple north african countries into becoming its Australia.

>>70459624
>Höcke calling the holocaust memorial a disgrace
SPON, please.

>>70459624
It's just his weird way of saying that we should stop feeling guilty, and move forward and make firm decisions without being scared of being called nazis.
He should have gone about it a different way though.

>>70459491
>You mean the countries dominating the world markets?

Are you clinically retarded? You do realize those countries only started dominating world markets long after being forced out of isolation and having to engage the global economy, right?

>>70459498
What else are you gonna do with them? Load them up into wagons and ship them back? All the precious western institutions won't allow you to do that. Bottom line, they might not become citizens but they will still live in ghettoes and procreate. All the while, greens and other leftards will keep on screaming to give them citizenship so they can "integrate" into the normal society. Some of them will marry stupid German girls, others will bring their wives from Africa and Mid-East.

>>70459356
They also polled popularity but I wouldn't expect euros understand how we do things here

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>>70455328
most Germ*ns are mentally handicapped

>>70459750

That's nice dear.

Even if anyone gave a shit about polls for the popular vote, which they demonstrably don't because it is a literally meaningless statistic, those polls didn't matter.

Pollsters gave Clinton a 90% chance to WIN THE ELECTION, not to win the popular vote, they were not right in any sense.

>>70459707
As we Germans say, the tone makes the music.
Imagine how our EU allies and other countries are gonna feel when Germany suddenly says "lets forget holocaust, time to move on. Call us nazis if you wanna".

>>70459737
I think we will do the same with them as with the balkan refugees and send them back once their home countries are deemed safe to return.

Refugee crisis is overblown in Europe, I do think they're handling it in the wrong way and they need to be more stern when it comes to this, but Europe is fine. They only make up a really small portion of the population, yes a lot them leech off of welfare and commit crime, but like I said they are only a small portion of population. Nothing makes me laugh more when morons on the Internet try to sound smart and "ahead of the curve" by being over dramatic and saying Islam will rule Europe. Western Europe is still a thriving place. Migrants are only part of highly condensed areas anyway, it's not like if you go to Germany you'll be jumped immediately. Also funny enough, despite Europe taking in lots of refugees, it's still safer than my own country(America). When Muslims start making up over 10+% then we can talk.

>>70459801
>Pollsters gave Clinton a 90% chance to WIN THE ELECTION, not to win the popular vote, they were not right in any sense.
How do you know they were not right?

>>70459835
>Imagine how our EU allies and other countries are gonna feel
who cares?

>>70457704
T. Pechtold

>>70459731
You need to go back and read my post dumbass. Probably the fact that China destroyed their farms and infrastructure is what lead to their delayed growth. Manufacturing made them a big player but to you manufacturing is amazing in China but it sucks in the US. Japan was never isolationist. They have been a major player post ww2 and have the safest country in the world. Stop making up shot to fit your simplistic world view

>>70459851
You know what birth rates are, right?
50 years ago, America was mostly white, now look

>>70459905
You are aware that Germany exports a lot, right?
Do you think it would help our foreign trade if people see us as nazis?

>>70459801
>90%
Nice memory, now I know you're an idiot or worse just negligent. She didn't even get 85%

>>70459851
>guys it's no problem but it will be in 10 years
Kek

>>70458374
Actually German political culture is closer to Russia or China than to the rest of Europe, the main difference is that in Germany they have a highly competent bureaucratic system, while Russia lacks this element (China would be somewhere betwen them in this regard), still the way they treat their authorities is surprisingly similar. Anyone who speaks Russian and German can check main news programs on the DW/ARD and Russian Piervyj Kanal - they basically use the same type of rhetoric speaking about their leaders.

>>70459961
you know that most immigrants to Germany are fellow Europeans, right?

>>70459980

>With hours to go before Americans vote, Democrat Hillary Clinton has about a 90 percent chance of defeating Republican Donald Trump in the race for the White House, according to the final Reuters/Ipsos States of the Nation project.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN1322J1

>>70459970
It'll only hurt your relations with britcucks and frenchies. Also israel. Everyone else doesn't care and Arab trade will increase

>>70459851
>it's not a problem yet so let's forget about it

Considering how "great" the second generation of immigrants acts in France, it's foolish to allow in more of them.

>>70459851
Eh, they make up a small portion but when you look at people under 30 ethnic germans will become 50% of the population as far as I understood.
As we are an old world country build on the idea of the monocultural nationstate(even if people do their best to denounce this.) this will severely change the way our society acts and functions in the future.

>>70460086
Most of our trade is with EU.
I dont think Poles, for example, would appreciate if we suddenly said "lol hitler did nothing wrong"

Also, I kinda prefere having closer ties to my fellow Europeans rather than arabs

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>>70460065
>using one poll instead of an aggregate
Yep, negligence. Your opinion is now disregarded

>>70459286
>pretty much this. and on 4chan everything she gets is rapefugees. they never talk about any other thing shes done
There is no more important thing than this "refugee affair", even if she doubled German GDP it would not compensate what she did to her country allowing them to settle there. This decision will have serious consequences even after centuries.

>>70458561
But Merkel has europe- and worldwide approval.
She has extremely good poll ratings and will most likely score ~40% again next election.

Schulz is hated because he's an asshole and he was an asshole and fucked with the wrong EU-powerblock for most of his career.

Don't believe all the shallow /pol/shit you read. Europeons overhelmingly LOVE Merkel

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The media shapes opinion.
Those who control the media control public opinion.

>>70460163
>backpedalling
Every major outlet said she would win peripd

>>70460210
i find it hard to believe

>>70459934
>Japan was never isolationist.

You cannot be this fucking stupid.

I refuse to believe even American education can be this abysmal.

>>70460231
>Europeons

I don't imagine she is well liked in the south and the east doesn't like her either. Which leaves Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium and the Nordics, That's hardly Europe wide.

>>70460256
>what is the LA times
Trashed

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i personally just dont think there is anyone in germany who could do a better job than merkel. Certainly not left of her and most of the leading afd politicians are just an embarrassment. not saying she did everything perfect especially regarding the refugee crisis, but all in all after 12 years of merkel Germany is in a good position, being the by far mightiest economic might in europe.

>>70460161
Nobody would ever say that and you know it besides that calling us nazis is already common sport in our neighboors press since decades.
The most right wing governmenr we ever could have would resemble something eastern european (not russian) and this does not implie any revisionism as long as you keep the retards at bay and simply enforce your interests firmly but not in an insulting way.

>>70460163

>"B-but the aggregate polls only gave her 84%! They weren't off target at all!"

lel

>>70460316
Funny how you argue semantics instead of the topic because you got absolutely proven wrong. You and I both know were talking about the modern post ww2 global economy

>>70460359
everything east of Germany isnt really europe senpai. You can cry all you want in the end you suck Kraut dick for gibsmedats and Schengen access.

>>70455328
>despite
the word you're looking for is "because"

>>70460393
>calling us nazis is already common sport in our neighboors press since decades.
thats nothing compared to what would happen when a German leader would call the holocaust memorial a disgrace.
We only have the influence because we are seen as the good guys. If we went full Trump with revesionism and "Germany First" nobody would follow us

>>70460405
>You and I both know were talking about the modern post ww2 global economy

I wasn't. Nice asspull though. I really liked the part where you accused me of doing what you just did to try and cover your ass.

>>70460420
SLAV'D

>>70460420
rude desu senpai baka

>Actual poll question: Do you support Merkel or do you want to kill 6 million more Jews?

>>70460487
You can't go back to "Germany first" when you made ~28 countries entirely dependent on your economy.

Why do so many Americans still like themselves despite all of the things they've done to the world?

>>70459436
Glad to see someone sensible in this thread.
>>70459498
They're not going back. See us? That's you in 10 years and I'm generous. Kiss ordnung goodbye.

>>70460620
your blacks and arabs are your former colonial subjects, not refugees

>>70460509
Are you going to respond to the topic or what you beta white in Thailand paying for sex. No wonder you liked Clinton you're a submissive loser

>>70460658
Irrelevant. What are Sweden's somalis and your Turks? Colonies don't matter if you have restrictive immigration policies.
Time will prove me right. Americans are about to become a white minority, we will follow. Call me a paranoid nazi all you want, time will prove me right. Current demography already does.

>>70460668
Nice of you to finally out yourself as a Trumplrina. My work here is done. :)

>>70460923
Maybe it's a Bernout.

>>70460845
>Irrelevant. What are Sweden's somalis and your Turks?
Turks were not refugees, they were working migrants.
Just look at the Balkan migrants, we sent them back after the situation on the Balkans improved

>>70460017
You expect me to believe you speak German and Russian fluently to make such a judgement?

>>70460574
Im not even talking about germany first, simply about adressing the internal demographic imbalance and cracking down on fifth columns (such as the turkic and saudi ones) while trying to make the country able to defend itself and adress energy dependencys on the russians which are inacceptable.
Reconstructing a national conciousness does not have to implie agression towards neighboors and ideally serves hinder people from emigrating wirh no return due to loyality and makes assimilation of foreigners actually appealing to them as no one wants to be part of a weak and self loathing society.

>>70460420
Except that wundereconomy you've got yourselves came because you expanded into post-commie territory.

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http://www.politico.eu/article/us-may-lure-more-countries-out-of-eu-says-likely-trump-envoy/

>mfw trump invites the british PM to america as his first visitor
>mfw trump hates the EU and will soon send an ambassador to the EU who thinks the euro will fail and more nations will leave
>mfw merkel the arrogant EU can literally suck our cocks now we have the most powerful nation on earth on our side

aahahahaha

>>70461026
I am a Russian and I do believe that there are certain similarities between Russian and German mentality.
Russians are like Germans if Germany was ruled by a clique of oligarch bandits

>>70459835
>I think we will do the same with them as with the balkan refugees and send them back once their home countries are deemed safe to return.
You're so fucking delusional. They don't even give their real names to the authorities, let alone their true countries of origin.

And German law certainly doesn't allow sending people back to some random lands when you don't even know where they originally came from.

>>70460487
But what about calling the memorial, the one for the biggest german disgrace, guess that would work

>>70461127
You do realize that having an American come over telling EU how it sucks and how it's going to fail might be the one thing that will motivate the europoliticians to spite him?
If Trump was saying that EU is the best thing ever he'd do more to harm European integration than with what he's doing now.

>>70461019
Not even half of the so called refugees are syrians, not even a quarter of them are either women or children, some of them even went back home this summer for a quick vacation on your dime. They're not going back. You have the lowest birthrate in the world. Angela didn't take them out of kindness. She took them to give German demography a boost.

>>70461215
>They don't even give their real names to the authorities, let alone their true countries of origin.
And you think they can become German citizens without giving their names or country of origin?

>And German law certainly doesn't allow sending people back to some random lands when you don't even know where they originally came from.
Oh boy, if only there was a way to find out the country of origin or at least change the law

>>70461294
Yeah but just try to bully us now we have the Americans on our side :). The EU can continue to give money to eastern European shitholes and take in gypsies and romanians but we're going our own way

>>70461294
>europoliticians to spite him

How? If they push for more federalization, they'll just prove him right.

>>70461324
>Not even half of the so called refugees are syrians
Thats even better. So we dont even need for a peace to occur in Syria, we can send them back immediatelly

>Angela didn't take them out of kindness. She took them to give German demography a boost.
We have a healty boost of our population through EU immigrants, we dont have to rely on uneducated muslim refugees

>>70461386
Hey, its your thing, but I think its a bit risky to rely on a guy who said "America first"

>>70461386
Yes, the way of Islamabad and the way of binning that knife.

>>70461084
>>70461084
>makes assimilation of foreigners actually appealing to them as no one wants to be part of a weak and self loathing society
this so much, lefties dont get at all how big this problem is.
Someone who is willing to assimilate will be made fun of indefinetly as it is now

>>70460316
Ugh it's posts like the one you're replying to that make me sad

It's fine to be ignorant, but it's not fine to pretend that you aren't.

>>70461324
the powerelite needs some buffers if shit hits the fan.
immigrants are grateful to Merkel for letting her come to europe. they will defend her in the coming uprise

>>70461399
>How?
By actually working on common issues instead of looking for ways how to fuck over Poland, Germany, France etc.
> If they push for more federalization, they'll just prove him right.
Muh Federalization meme. Addressing European-level problems at European level is the right way to go and the public will support it if they see how the agreed policies are actually effective and beneficial to them.
Only way to "prove him right" would be to keep squabbling impotently until next crisis becomes topic of the day.

For instance attempt to solve migrant crisis at national level will not only fail, it will also break down trade within EU as the barriers go back up.

>>70461324
OR keep the bank accounts of the elite growing, younger people consume much more

>>70455328

Because fucking Americans have turned Germans into brainless slaves since WW2.

This is your doing.

>>70461964
>Only way to "prove him right" would be to keep squabbling impotently until next crisis becomes topic of the day.

Which is exactly what's gonna happen because the interests of the countries go against one another and nobody, not even the Germs, has enough pull to push something through.. Case in point: €.

>>70462370
>Implying they weren't always

>>70458874
why

>>70462471
>the interests of the countries go against one another
That depends on how you define the "interests". If you approach it with Tsipras/Vatafakis logic of babby's first game theory, you may reach conclusions that they are irreconciliable but that is not so.
Area of Freedom, Security and Justice is in interest of every European country. Once it falls apart, literally everyone loses out.

Vote for MLPD

>>70455328
What did she do ?

>>70461127
this literal /pol/ tier plot that has unironically become one of bongs mainstream popular beliefs irl has made me think a bit.

ive been curious, how you'd treat russia behind the putin fanatic. if thats the case you'd definitely face the situation where you couldnt be against it. it would crack me up badly if that bojo guy suddenly turned into pro-russia or your govt as a whole.

>>70462787
>Area of Freedom, Security and Justice

Ah, the big words that everyone likes and everybody defines differently. Good luck getting a consensus on what they actually mean. Also, how safe do you think the people in Europe feel with trucks of peace, bombs and shootings being not a once in a blue moon occurrence but a common threat? How just do you think the German taxpayer considers the fact he's bailing out Greece?

>literally everyone loses out

Except people will not look at this through the prism of of money.

>>70463437
1. they are not just big words, they are also a policy outlined in the treaties.
2. getting a consensus on them is not at all difficult, it's getting consensus on who will pay for it and how that's the tough nut to crack.
3. trucks of peace and bombs are actually more likely to become a common occurence if the european cooperation falls apart and the individual countries will vainly attempt to address the issue on their own.
4. greek bailout was never issue of justice, it was issue of economic triage and question of how well could EU fight fraud in national governments is even more sensitive than things that can actually be conceivably negotiated politically.

>people will not look at this through prism of money
yes, people will look through prism of emotion. That should not stop statesmen from using reason. And if the people does decide to ditch reason entirely, well, then the people deserves its fate.

>They have her x% chance to win and she lost they were wrong
Is everyone retarded? Are we pretending a 10% chance event can't happen?

Propaganda like it has not been practiced in Europe since WW2.

Seriously. It's everywhere in Germany.

>>70459851
The education levels and skill sets of most of the people who have entered in the past 18 months are, by German standards, extremely low. Germany has a fairly high-wage economy, especially compared to Britain, and there are not a whole lot of positions available for low-skilled men. The number of recent migrants who have found employment is exceptionally low. Employment rates among second generations migrants from the Middle East, mostly Turkish, are also considerably worse than ethnic Germans.

Can't you see this is going to have a substantial effect in the future?

>>70458787
>Not letting illegal immigrants from third world countries in is isolationist.

You should be euthanized.

>>70464397
>emotion

Funny spelling of values.

>>70457955
I don't understamd why do so many people dislike Gabriel

>>70459436
Actually in 10 years people under 20 will be 50% muslim.

Including this year there are about 2 million that migrated to Germany from the mena regions in 2 years.

Also those are not families, families will join them in 2018 raising the numbers by at least a factor of 3.

Oh and they cost about 20 billion a year so far.

This is genocide.

>>70464574
Afghans education standards are low even compared to African standards.

>>70464665
No, protectionism and alienating your allies are isolationist. Trump has repeatedly stated he wants to do all of these things. Euthanize yourself.

>>70464829
More of a suicide desu, white people everywhere are simply not breeding anymore. I remember reading something like more people are dying in Europe than giving birth. It's not really a surprise since Europe is well developed so it makes sense the birth rate is low, plus culture has changed, and the middle class can barely support multiple children in today's economic climate

>everyone in this thread saying Germany is an economic powerhouse
Isn't that only for the upper class, aren't Germans the poorest in Europe. Don't they have the lowest wages? Muh GDP is a meme

>>70465030
Right and supporting Ali and his 8 kids is the way to solve that problem.

>>70464721
>values
What sort of values do you think the people act on?
What sort of values promote hurting oneself just to hurt others as well?

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>>70465030
Same is occurring in Korea and Japan, though they refuse to take in immigrants.

>>70465197
No where did you get this from?

>>70459624
>falling for the mainstream media misinterpretations
He was not calling the memorial a disgrace, he was calling it a memorial of disgrace. Cause it's there for memorizing something that is generally perceived as a disgrace. Or should you call it a memorial of glory?

>>70465218
Does Ali get more welfare for each of his 8 kids than Joseph gets for his single daughter?

Looking aside from hoaxes about immigrants getting free cars and villas etc.

>>70465030
Bringing in foreigners will squeeze the natives even further, further decreasing birth rates. Real estate is finite.

>>70465030
It's not so much economic as it about familial organization. After all, the impoverished of Africa are having and supporting multiple children per household.

The emergence of dual income households is a bigger source of the issue. Women are now going to school and starting careers. But instead of the labour market adapting so men do 50% of the labour as before, and women do 50% of the labour as before, and they had the rest off to work on domestic duties and childrearing... women are expected to work at 100% the effort as always, with the same 2-4 weeks statutory vacation. This means that the labour force gets +100% productivity, but no parent is able to raise children and manage their family life in the same way. If they do have kids, they have to export motherhood to a phillipino nanny.

It's a short-sighted economic policy because having properly-brought-up children means having a strong, skilled, labour force in the future. But the powers that be have decided instead of giving concessions to work times, and reducing the number of full-time hours per week to something like 30, they'll just rely on importing foreigners to fill the voids left by the childless office drone couples.

It's really sad when you think about it. At least the peasants in history had the ability to raise a family and derive happiness from that. But even that was seen as expendable in the pursuit of infinite growth.

Another factor is education, which delays when a couple first have children, and when a couple first settles down together, which reduces the overall number of children. As was mentioned in
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>>70465639
Well what can be done to fix the situation that won't get slapped with socialism label? The current fad of unfettered individualism is not exactly conducive to a bottom up societal transformation in that regard either.

>>70465446
Bernd, bitte...
http://sprachlos-blog.de/denkmal-der-schande-hoecke-und-der-trick-mit-dem-genitiv/

>>70465639
Well I mean is there any real way to fix the birth rate, you can't just shove statistics in people's face and tell them to fuck.

>>70465639
>It's a short-sighted economic policy because having properly-brought-up children means having a strong, skilled, labour force in the future.
Talking about quality, generally people have low number of people because they are the extension of their status. When their children do bad stuff their reputation also suffers on top of them wanting their children not to do bad stuff and be happy. Having fewer amount of kids is a mean to be able to raise the few that are born properly, give them good education and have enough time for each of them.

While obviously working half the hours for the same pay does help with it since parents have free time they can use for children, they will also need more money. Poor people generalizing go with quantity over quality. They don't have any status to uphold nor hope their children will be doctors and businessmen, so naturally they just have many of them and think it's fine as long as they're somehow fed and clothed. On the other hand middle class will be constantly thinking whether they will be able to provide expensive education and private tutors, newest entertainment gadgets, and trendy clothes because they hate seeing their children fail. The middle class dream is saying that my son is a doctor/scientist/CEO of some company not that my 4 children are a truck driver, a secretary, an electrician, and a hydraulic.

>>70466197
You know it's bad when doing (or having your child do) honest and useful work is not a point of pride but a reason to be ashamed.

>>70466418
It's not a point of shame unless you land a job that is pretty much telling you have no skill. More like it should be a point of pride to take on jobs requiring more skill, being more helpful to the society, burdening more responsibility.

It's normal that people don't pride themselves in being ordinary.

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>Germans actually thinking the refugees will eventually be returned to their country of origin

Nah, they are there to stay. These people are going to be in Germany forever, it doesn't really matter whether or not they're official citizens or not, they're physically living in German cities.

So now the question is whether these new Germans can really be assimilated into German society American style, instead of living in a parallel Muslim society within Germany.

It will be difficult for Germany, the U.S for instance has mostly assimilated immigrants from European countries. Even the newer Latino immigrants come from a mostly European culture, Mexicans have much more in common with Americans than Syrians have in common with Germans. Latino criminals commit crime to make money, Muslim terrorists want to kill as many innocent Germans as possible. Poor, disenfranchised young Mexican-American men don't become terrorists.

>>70468300
Islam is simply incompatible with modern values, the cultures they're bringing with them from North Africa and Middle East are pure shit

>>70468300
>Poor, disenfranchised young Mexican-American men don't become terrorists

They join gangs instead.

>>70459286
She also gave away billions to save the euro while creating 50% youth unemployment in several European countries, hurt the economy with her poorly planned energy reforms and managed to piss off Russia and the USA.

>>70465840
The funny thing is the planet as a whole is overpopulated, it's just due to the third world. We really need to get rid of the "CONTSTANT, INFINITE POPULLATION GROWTH IS ESSENTIAL FOR A HEALTHY ECONOMY" meme.

The planet needs a smaller population, it's much easier for 1 billion people to have a first world standard of living than 7 billion. More resources and space for everyone. Maybe instead of having people cut back on luxeries and tighten our belts, we should try to have a small enough population that we can do basically whatever the fuck we want without worrying about using too much water or energy resources.

>>70459624
I'm not, because it is a disgrace. No other nation has ethnomasochism like Germany and I'm fed up with the politicians pushing through harmful measures while justifying it with our "besondere historische Verantwortung". They can take their holocaust, which actually happened, and shove it up their arses.

>>70468648
>She also gave away billions to save the euro
Confirmed for proxy spewing bullshit about which he doesn't know shit. FYI: in Germany money matters are decided by the parliament.

>creating
I don't think you know what that word means.

>hurt the economy with her poorly planned energy reforms
1.9% growth while simultaneously achieving a budget surplus is hurting the economy now?

>managed to piss off Russia and the USA.
She was best buddy of Obama. And Russia is goin rampage by Putin's own decision. Nothing one can do about it.

>>70468809
>harmful measures
name one

>>70468638
That's my point, it's better than them becoming terrorists.

A gang might rob or murder innocent people, but at the very lesst it's for the end goal of money, or intimidation designed to get them more money in the future. Murder itself is the goal of terrorism, which is much scarier. And even with increased education and wealth, a minority of young Muslim men will become terrorists, unlike a third genetation Latino kid grows up middle class and therefore has no reason to join a gang. There's no fundamental hate of society, religion, and the people like Muslim fundamentalists have for the West.

>>70455328
The ride never ends

>>70468994
http://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2014/06/weltfl%C3%BCchtlingstag.html

"Die Zahl der Flüchtlinge und Vertriebenen aufgrund kriegerischer Auseinan-dersetzungen und politischer Verfolgung ist weltweit so hoch wie seit dem Zweiten Weltkrieg nicht mehr. Gerade wir Deutschen wissen, welches menschliche Leid hinter jedem einzelnen Flüchtlingsschicksal steckt, denn wir haben es damals selbst erfahren, und wir haben es anderen Menschen zugefügt. Daraus erwächst eine besondere historische und humanitäre Verantwortung gegenüber Flüchtlingen. Ich freue mich über die von einem breiten gesellschaftlichen Konsens getragene Hilfsbereitschaft in Deutschland.

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>>70469192
>Daraus erwächst eine besondere historische und humanitäre Verantwortung gegenüber Flüchtlingen.

>>70469192
How is that harmful?

>>70469192
If more countries were like Germany, world would be a better place.

>>70465773
a so a schmarra

Well she invested a lot in green energy. So on a global scale she is trying to save the world. You cant say that about any other world leader.