American citizens are paying $12 - $15 Billion To Build Trump's

b-b-but muh 1% tarrif!

According to Dutch researchers non western migrants cost the Netherlands 8 billion a year in tax money.

that sounds a lot cheaper than i thought

>>70421433
America wasted trillions on the Iraq war, this is nothing compared to that

>>70421750
it doesn't stop immigrants
it's "suppose" to stop illegal immigrants that "hop" across

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Yesterday Mexico threatened to cancel the meeting if Trump doesn't stop talking about them paying for a wall

Today Trump is now panicking and trying to act like a tough guy trying to blackmail Mexico over twitter

You literally cannot make this shit up

>>70421433
War in Irak (useless war) = 6 trillion
Wall = 15 billion

It's fucking notjing

>>70421792
The maintenance costs will be much higher.

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>>70421824
yea instead of spending money on more border agents, cameras, drones, making it harder for illegals to work, etc, lets build a 2000 mile wall. I'm sure it will stop illegals more efficiently.

>>70421850
Wow. This childish man is the face of America. Well, I guess it's not all that surprising.

>>70421850
Pretty embarrassing tbqh

>>70421919
I don't blame him. People voted for him and got exactly what they deserve, same with bush. I dont understand why they get pissed off at him.

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>>70421919

Loving every laugh

>>70421865
The Iraq war didn't cost that much did it?
surely this is counting a lot of military expenditure that would be spent even in peacetime like wages right?

>>70421900
That makes no sense. Maybe you mean guarding the wall will cost more because you have to pay the guards?

>>70421850
kek at all the amerifats unironically believe this is "based" or something

>>70421433
Are planes supposed to crash with the wall or how is this going to stop Mexican immigration?

>>70421824
Most illegal immigrants are just a result of people overstaying their visas. Actual "illegal" immigration is usually done through tunnels or smuggling anyway. Like the wall will change that.

>>70422032
In 2013 it was more than 2 trillion, the 6 trillion is the burden of borrowing interest and pensions to veterans.

>>70421915
Trump's core supporters dont like to think rationally

>>70421433
What are tariffs?

>>70422342
A french word , bro
learn french

>>70422214
[Citation needed]

>>70421433
Worth it.

Seeing as a new handegg stadium costs around a bil, this is very good value.

>>70421433
still a good investment

>>70421433
Oh it'll be paid for. And he's already keeping Mexicans out. Starting with the president.

>>70421915
it works in Israel faggot, and their wall is much higher/longer

>>70422574
>already keeping Mexicans out

More Mexicans left America than entered it in the last 4 years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/us/more-mexican-immigrants-leaving-us-than-entering-report-finds.html?_r=0

>>70422648
And soon more to follow. A lot more. Good times we're living in, my Finnish friend.

>>70422630
they actually man the checkpoints by the mile and it's a doubled 15" + wall like berlin

>>70421915
Why can't you do both?

ICE just stated that they detained 40,000 illegals crossing the border in December.

>>70422453
¿Que? Eso no es importante. Las Trumpistas poderán imponer una tarifa de todos los exportaciones de Mexico.

Si impondría la tarifa, Trump recibirá su dinero.

>>70421433
Oh they will. Tarrifs from tearing up NAFTA and taxing the shit out of remittance payments which are a significant part of their economy.

>>70422700
and it's not longer

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>build the wall with only the finest american materials and workers
>mexicans just punch through the cardboard

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>>70422739
>taxing the shit out of remittance payments

>taxing corporations
>taxing bitcoin

This is what Americans actually believe

majority of the illegals are not lone mexicans walking along across ungarded wasteland as the romantic telling go
they are central/south americans who rely on for feel for the traffickers, they obviously cannot be stopped by a measly concrete wall

if they can smuggle cocaine on planes by human orifice i am sure with the right persuasion they can do worse for a human being

>>70422926
>taxing the shit out of remittance payments
Do you know what they are and how they are sent? It's easy to tax.

>>70422961
>for feel
or fell

>>70421915
>>70422316
Are you saying the wall won't have guards? The border fences in Melilla, Ceuta and Hungary have border guards and they're very effective.

>>70421433
finland coming at us yet again with another bad thread
sage

>>70422926
Why are you so butthurt?

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>>70422999
>The border fences in Melilla, Ceuta and Hungary have border guards and they're very effective.

notice how none of those places are staffed by americans

>>70422961
I literally jumped a few feet and crossed the Rio Grande south of Laredo last year.

You know nothing. A wall would help a lot. It wouldn't fix everything, but it would help.

>>70421433

yep, they will. charge them $5 to cross the border for their daily commute to work.

pays for itself in a decade.

>>70423078
Month*

lol $12-15 billion is fucking pocket change for the US government, I don't get what the big deal is just fucking build it then figure out how to get the money back later.

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>>70421433
>spends billions of tax dollars on wall
>when there are already tunnels

Seems like the wall will be funded by taxpayer money after all.

>>70422707
Exepto que hay el TCLAN y me parece que para deshacer un tratado ha de pasar por el camino legal, es decir el Congreso y el Senado. No es cierto que Trump gane el apoyo de las cámaras para deshacer el NAFTA.
Igualmente México podría comprometerse en la guerra de tarifas, subiendo las suyas(tarifa es femenino? Leche dígame).
Sin considerar las repercusiones de todo esto sobre las relaciones con Canadá que hace parte del TLCAN.

>>70423351
You have to go back.

>Assume project costs $15 billion

>Charge Mexicans $10 to cross the border.

>Going by 2013 figures, 14 million journeys from Mexico through to the US border occurred.

15,000,000,000 divided by (14,000,000 x $10)

= 107 years to pay off.


and that's JUST with fees for crossing. if they implement other trade tariffs, the number of people crossing increases, or the price increases, they will do it sooner.


even if they got nothing it would still be worth it.

We have a name for the wall.

We call it the tortilla curtain. It was thin flimsy and the mexicans ate right through it

Someone will be paid to do it

we'll probably take it out of Mexico's foreign aid fund lel

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>T-Trump won't win
>t-the wall is actually going to be a fence
>T-Trump won't actually try to build the wall
>t-the wall won't stop illegal immigrants
I'm sick of listening to you pathetic people grasp at straws, just build the fucking thing already America so these people finally shut the fuck up.

>>70423410
We give them barely 400 mil a year

It'll take years to pay it off. When a democrat takes office they'll scrap this shit anyway.

>>70423401
The new one calls for more border guards, watch towers, stadium lights, etc.
A physical fence won't do much to stop them, but the additional measures will help a lot.

>>70423453
>t. Pedro Gonzales

>>70423434
it will be a few months

>>70423434
he will never build the wall

>>70423457
quite a bit of cash for all that.

Damn. Gonna be a bitch having to pay for that

>>70423480
there is no way it is not happening now

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>>70423434
>enters thread about US/Mexico border wall
>bitches about discussions on US/Mexico border wall

>>70423480
Are you paying attention to the news?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nTjtCbrnfk

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>spend 15 billion on a useless wall
>next term comes
>democrat is elected and spends more money tearing it down

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>>70422988

Remittance payments from illegals are usually sent via Western Union or similar services. Illegal Mexicans can just send bitcoins to Mexico and avoid taxes. There's no way to block it.

>>70423013

>jorge

>>70422214
Actually, the "overstay a visa" trick only works once. After they're caught and deported, it will be very difficult to make their way into the country through legal means ever again.

>>70423480
trump's ego is so fragile he has to build the wall regardless of how effective it is

he wants it to be his legacy

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wouldn't minefield and a dmz be more cost effective solution than a wall?

>hungary builds wall
>illegal migrants drop to almost 0
>israel builds wall
>illegal migrants drop to almost 0
>america builds wall...

>>70423538
hence it will not be torn down

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-suggests-canceling-meeting-mexico-s-president-after-shots-fired-n712461?cid=par-twitter-feed_20170126


Guess this settles things.

>>70423538
The wall will provide public sector jobs (guards, etc.) which Democrats would love to maintain.

>>70423591
>implying it will not be called the wall of shame 2.0 by dems and taken down as a symbolic gesture

>>70423697
ok. when that happens you can come find me and laugh

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>>70423527
>go on International board
>cry about Trump every single fucking day for over a year in off-topic cancer threads
>durr why are you complaining

>>70423697
More like Berlin Wall 2.0, That will be a massive massive PR campaign for the next Democrat president in 4 years from now.

I can see it now "tear down this wall Mr. Trump" shit gonna be hilarious

>>70422648
How do they have numbers for those who enter illegally dipshit?

>>70423514
MIT put the cost of a real and effective wall (50' tall 10' of it underground steel reinforced concrete) at $40 billion. Obviously the fence will cost much less, closer to Trump's estimated $12 billion, but he just signed for 5,000 additional border guards and tripling the size of US Customs & Immigration, plus a lot of increased authority, and what amounts to the "deputisation" of local law enforcement agencies to help in the fight. It will be extremely expensive.

Having said that, this money is chump change compared to what is spent on the US military and will do a lot more to secure America on a day to day basis.

>>70423879
Along with expanding our military, trade war with china.

Quite a lot of money being thrown around.

>>70423954
This is one reason a lot of Republicans find him so unpalatable. He may have (recent) socially right wing politics, but he is fiscally a crypto-liberal and that bothers paleo-cons and libertarian types.
Having said that, most on the right support some infrastructure projects that America desperately needs, the wall will just be the biggest and most publicised of these.

>>70421850
Why is this allowed. There's a reason every country has a foreign relations office. This guy is going to isolate america to a further degree

>>70424209
That's what he and many of his supporters want, a new American isolationist movement, support towards that end was basically the entirety of his inaugural address.

>>70423777

Trips of truth

>>70422574
>the president
He was the one who canceled though. Even people from other parties were suggesting him to do that.

>>70421850
>This is what americans think is "based"

>>70423544
>implying mexicans have internet

>>70421850
>Trump is now panicking
>blackmailing
Do I have to post the "you are here" pasta?

>>70423588
When are you building a wall in the channel?

>>70423453
>We give them barely 400 mil a year
Well now it will be 0 a year.

Trump is a fucking CHEETO IDIOT

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>>70424209
>isolate america to a further degree
we literally don't need any of you.... but everyone else on the other hand....

>>70423579
Yes and trip wire claymores but everyone will get butt blasted.

>>70425722
AAAAAAAAAJJJSKDLKDKSKAAJSJKSK

>>70421433
>Illegals stop taking Murican money and stop sending it to Mexico
>Somehow not equivalent at making them pay

It's going to be a border tax so the US consumer will foot it I guess.

Most illegals arrive via work permits them stay so it won't really do anything anyway.

>>70423809
>More like Berlin Wall 2.0,
Well then they don't understand history since that was to keep people in and this is to keep people out.

>>70421433
And there is no number about how such project will actually cost. Trump said that it would cost 8 to 12 billion but knowing his preference for "alternative facts" we can be pretty sure that he has no idea.

Some engineers have calculated 8 billion for a metallic fence. Trump wants a 30 feet tall, 30 feet under concrete wall so maybe that's going to cost like 40 billion.

But of course, Mexico will pay for it. If you define Mexico as people (some of them Americans) that are working in the USA, in American companies, making products and services consumed by Americans, paid with American dollars that other Americans earned.

>>70425917
We need to keep Mexicans in to work the jobs we don't want to.

>>70424209
It's quite ironic. What used to be the face of globalization will be lost and forgotten in the wake of it.
The people wanted it though, so let them.

>>70426020
under budget and ahead of schedule

>>70426067

Mexicans are leaving America faster than they are coming

>>70425798
this is at least ten years outdated
there have been no US troops in Iceland since 2006

>>70421824
Well yeah. You just need to book a flight and then disappear into a neighbouring state when the visa expires.

>>70421850
First crack in the facade.

>>70424209
>This guy is going to isolate america to a further degree
Jesus I hope so.

Enjoy taking chink and russian dick.

>>70430092
We're already taking russia cock

>>70422760
underrated

Americans will pay for the wall in TAXES