/lang/ - Language learning thread

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>>70372266
Qué buena suerte que tienes.
Me despierto muy temprano y acabo de ver tu hilo.
Así que voy a darle un bump a tu hilo.

Started Persian on Monday. Script seems fairly easy and the language is apparently on par with German for difficulty. But fuck me there is a dearth of decent beginner resources online. I'm also struggling to find media.

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le bump

>>70372266
Bonan matenon, /lang/.

>>70376865
L'espéranto, c'est l'autisme.

>>70378756
Diru tion al mian vizaĝfikanton, ne rete

>>70379086
Ne parle pas polonais à moi s'il te plaît.

>>70380542
Malĝentila

>>70372266
I will start learning Spanish today.

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>>70383188
That's the spirit.

>>70380787
>ĝ
quelle moche lettre

>>70383188
>speak portuguese and english
>"think i'll start learning spanish"

Talk about easy mode. Oh well, have fun.

>>70384267
Spanish isn't that easy.
Have you ever heard a Spaniard speaking? They are always on rap god mode

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>>70383188
nic

>>70384089
Laŭ vi. Mi pensas ke la ĉapeloj kaj la luneto estas ĉarmaj.

>>70372266
B дaнный мoмeнт я изyчaю pyccкий и япoнcкий язык. Paньшe я тoжe изyчaл фpaнцyзcкий язык, нo этo былo нecкoлькo мecяцeв нaзaд, и я yжe мнoгo зaбыл (нo я хoтeл бы в бyдyщeм cнoвa зaнятьcя и c ним). Eщё я бы хoтeл выyчить нeмeцкий, китaйcкий, мoжeт дaжe и apaбcкий. Кaк cкaзaть, мнe нpaвятcя языки!

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I have stopped trying to learn new languages, I mean what's the point? Everybody speaks English anyway and those who don't, are completely irrelevant and might as well don't exist.
Also, I find grammatical genders (Indo-Euro crap) and fucked up writing systems (Asian languages) obnoxious. All that remains are completely useless meme languages to learn, but why should I bother, when I already speak one?

>>70385258
I know that feel bro

大麻

>>70385258
It's okay. I understand what it feels like to be a Magyar cultural island in the middle of Europe...

>>70385258
>why should I bother, when I already speak one?

'cos it's fun?

>>70372266
I'm planning to officially obtain a C1 English Degree and I'm afraid of failing it, which books do you recommend me anons?

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>>70387059
Bye lang. I'll fail it anyway

>>70384622
твoй pyccкий выглядит дoвoльнo хopoшo. я в pyccкoй гpyппe нa тeлeгpaммe. тaм мнoгo pyccких, кoтopыe мoгyт тeбe пoмoгaть c языкoм. ecли ты хoчeшь, я мoг дoбaвить тeбя в гpyппy.

det er faktisk et par russere i gruppa som kan norsk og bor i norge, som er litt gǿy

>>70379086
>mian vizaĝfikanton

Ĉu vi celis diri "al mia vizaĝo, fikanto"?

>>70387059
I do not know much about it, but try not to make mistakes like the one you did in that last sentence.
But are you looking for books to help you improve grammar or some just for helping you to study it., i.e full of practice tests.

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>>70388724
Tio estas la ŝerco, mia amiko

>>70388946
Ha bone. Mi suspektis tion, sed mi ne certis.

Kiel vi fartas parenteze?

>>70385258

>Everybody speaks English anyway

this is untrue in literally any country east of Hungary

I guess if you're Slavophobic it's not a problem tho

>>70388840
Grammar is my pending subject, I already got the Cambridge Grammar in Use but I want to deepen some more.
>>70384267
Portuguese, Italian and Spanish are more different than people usually think, specially on grammar.

>>70393346
>this is untrue in literally any country east of Hungary
Why would someone go that far?

>>70393851

maybe they have an interest in one of the cultures or want to have fun at a low cost

>>70393616
Oh well, other than passive, loose world order and a few other things, Spanish and english grammar are similar except for some things. So it should not be too bad on for you learning grammar. Your English is great to be honest.

If you guys ain't on Tandem (phone app for those who don't know) to practice your language you are literally doing it wrong. People on there actually want to put the effort from my experience.

>>70373897
What made you decide to start learning persian?

>>70394448
Search for tandem on youtube

>>70397632
>breastfeeding and french rap
wew

>>70378756
Ne korekte.

going through german grammar like a madman, but not concentrating on vocab much.
what resources do you all use for learning vocab?

>>70399870
memerise

>>70399870
Porn mainly

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Just got 975 on TOEIC :D

>>70386573
More like tedious. I hate illogical things and most languages are chock full of stupid pointless rules people just accept at face value because they don't know any better.
I actually really liked Spanish and Italian but I refuse to conjugate based on the gender of a table. It's a fucking desk. Not female, nor male.

>>70393346
>if you are Slavophobic
Literally almost everyone in Hungary loathes Slavs. And why wouldn't we? Slavs are the least interesting Europeans, most of them are quite backwards and prone to chimping out and alcoholism. Their foods are bland and watered down just like their culture. If you're familiar with one, you know them all. Ever wonder why Hungarians have their own thread on int despite /V4/ being a thing? Well now you know. We always associated ourselves with Austrians and Germans rather than Slavs.

>>70373837
EL CHICANO ÉS UNA VERGÜENZA HUMANA

>>70401943
But Janos Kovacs Molnarovics, through you flows the blood of my ancestors

>>>/trash/7400695

>>70402652
No hables de ti mismo así.

>>70402800
its berber

>>70402800
>fonético
>>70402821
Sou aprendo português

>>70394448
>Tandem
Ah, yes, Tinderandem

>>70402849
It's a mishmash of various scripts and IPA signs

>>70401943
>I hate illogical things
What are you? A computer or a fucking faggot?

>I refuse to conjugate based on the gender of a table.
You're just dumb.

>>70402857

I think you will convince people to download it by calling it that.

>>70402795
Is that so? Then why did you side with filthy S*rbs hmm? Why did you leave us?
After all we've done for you. We lived together almost a millenia, but you chose them instead of us. Then they tried to genocide you- your so called "relatives" - meanwhile we opened our border for your people needing help. We even fought with tooth and nails to get you into the EU.
Ungrateful doesn't even begin to describe your actions.
We'd have gotten more affection from a cold blooded snake. You Slavs are all the same.

>>70401943
>full of stupid pointless rules people just accept at face value because they don't know any better.
Or because they don't care.

>conjugate based on the gender of a table. It's a fucking desk. Not female, nor male.
masculine and feminine don't really mean anything, they're just words used to describe noun classes. also I don't think the word is conjugate when you're talking about adjectives changing based on noun class, but I don't know.

>>70372266
вceм пpивeт

>>70403281
>After all we've done for you
>In 1396, Pope Boniface IX proclaimed a crusade against the Ottomans...Sigismund was nominally in charge....About 15,000 crusaders died with only a few leaders, including Sigismund, escaping.
>Sigismund returned to Hungary in 1401 and, facing a number of revolts, gradually resumed control and re-asserted himself as the King of Hungary....Sigismund campaigned against the Croats and Bosnians, which culminated in 1408 with the Battle of Dobor—fought for the possession of Bosnia—and a massacre of noble families, later known as the Bloody Sabor of Križevci.

>Louis assembled around 25,000 to 30,000 soldiers (with Croatian and Polish contingents and about 800-1,000 soldiers of the Papal States) while the Ottoman army numbered around 50,000....
>The Hungarian army was arrayed to take advantage of the terrain and hoped to engage the Ottoman army piecemeal. The only advantage the Magyars had that day was that their troops were well-rested, while the Turks had just completed a strenuous march in scorching summer heat. But rather than attacking their fatigued enemy then, the Hungarians just watched as they struggled through the marshy terrain. It would have been "unchivalrous" to attack the enemy when they were not yet ready for battle

I shouldn't even go on pasting the Magnate conspiracy article

Dumb Magyars

I wanna learn russian and german

>>70405958
viel Glück :^---)

>>70390393
Bone. Estas malfacila trovi motivadon por praktiki, sed mi provas

>>70405238
>posting 600 years old slights
>s-see guys we were totally right to abandon Hungary
Oh but you left out the best part anon, where in 1848-49 you stabbed us in the back in the name of Panslavinism. What a joke.
In the end all you managed to achieve was to have 15 inches of thick Austrian cock penetrating your collective anuses uncomfortably for the next 60 years. Great job.

But hey, next time Serbs decide to genocide you, we won't lift a finger to help. We'll just lay back and enjoy the show.

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hi anons

I presently speak English fluently, French well enough to get by, and my Mandarin is now a little shaky but I had previously taken it for much of my school life; I'm at around HSK3 or 4, I think.

I speak a Chinese dialect (Teochew / 潮州話) and I have familial ties with Vietnamese, but I'm still interested in learning languages, especially those with alphabets that I'm entirely unfamiliar with such that I can learn to sound out words in languages even if I haven't the slightest clue what they mean. (I did this with Korean off a YouTube video I saw, pic related).

Where should I start, /lang/? I do a lot of singing, too, so if it's a language associated with a musical culture that'd be extra neat.

>>70383551
>tfw this thing is going to be 10 years old soon

>>70401884
L&R or S&W?

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Pic related finally arrived. Picked it up since for some reason the COMPLETE MODERN PERSIAN (FARSI) BEGINNER TO INTERMEDIATE COURSE book can't be delivered until mid-february.

Learned one feature that I find neat. Nouns have cases, but adjectives don't decline. Instead they're more sort of added through a compound vowel apparently. ie book-e-pretty

>>70409202
Keep your autism outside Janos

>>70409752
Can these phrasebooks be useful for beginners or are they too advanced for beginners?

>>70409752
why farsi?

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>>70411551
It's useful for both beginners and those already slightly proficient I think. I wouldn't use it as sole teaching tool, unless maybe you immerse yourself into an only-language situation with little time to actually dedicate to just learning. Pic related is the contents

Pros
>No prior knowledge assumed
>Never stops transliterating (format is English word:transliteration of the Farsi word:Farsi word)
>Wide variety of day-to-day subjects
>Pocketsized (fits in my jacket's inner pocket)
>Many examples with easy to replace things
Eg This ... isn't clean [pillow, blanket, pillow case, sheet]

Cons
>Pocket sized means that you might want to take page number with a grain of salt
>Relatively basic grammar
>No exercises
>Doesn't always explain things (A lot of sentences just translated with some "this word can be replaced by some other)

>>70411858
Bit of an Iran/Persiaboo, also saving up for a trip there sometime next year.

>>70397609

Basically it's the easiest exotic language. Also the history is super interesting.

>>70411945
Thanks for the reply, seems useful I think I'll buy something like this.

>>70409950
Just because people are aware of historical facts you don't like, it doesn't make them autists. It makes them more educated than you.

>>70412463
For normal people yes, for you though it makes you an autist

>>70412551
Bozgor pls

>>70405958
Удaчи then

>>70384353
Es mejor por vosotros
Cuando nosotros hablantes de español escuchamos a vosotros siempre es una mierda. No podemos entenderos

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>How do you want your language, senpai?

Seme jan toki e toki pona?

>>70384622
>mlk moguće znam te
>>70385258
Kill yourself my dude

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>csq je suis un du peu de non-francophones dans /fr/

Putain, je n'aime pas le sentiment d'être tout seul, Même les drapeaux étranges sont juste des francophones qui vivent à l'étranger. Bien sûr, j'ai vu un Anglais (qui ne parle que l'anglais), un Finnois (qui est probablement un locuteur natif), et des Américains, mais ils n'y sont pas régulièrement.

>>70414039
>je suis un du peu de non-francophones dans /fr/

Quieres decir que eres uno de los no-nativos en /fr/? Porque a mi me parece que puedes hablar frances con fluidez

>>70414401
Ha, merci! Non parlo italiano, though.

Je veux juste voir d'autres anons dans /fr/, c'est tout. Quelques gens qui peuvent parler français approximatif avec moi.

>>70409752
The adjectives are indeclinable and connected with the ezafe, no genders, the nouns are only inflected for number
The verb endings are straightfoward. You can say a lot with a few suffixed words (agglutinative language). The only bigger obstacle is the vocabulary, the Perso-Arabic script and possibly, the SOV word order at first

>>70414486
>Non parlo italiano, though.
Si eu nu vorbesc limba română

>Je veux juste voir d'autres anons dans /fr/, c'est tout. Quelques gens qui peuvent parler français approximatif avec moi.

Los generales pueden ser unas mierdas. Siempre hay la misma gente.
Posteo en /esp/ y /exyu/. En /exyu/ no me hablan porque soy diaspora. Y en /esp/ unos chicos me odian porque soy un namefag. No son lugares buenos para practicar las lenguas

>>70412463
The historical fact is that Košut was a megalomaniacal faggot
Fight me. We fought not to speak your serekeš language. Don't tread on me 1848. Give me liberty or give me death

>>70414703
>Los generales pueden ser unas mierdas. Siempre hay la misma gente.
Ouais, en même temps, j'aime le sentiment de communauté, reconnaître certains gens.
>Posteo en /esp/ y /exyu/. En /exyu/ no me hablan porque soy diaspora. Y en /esp/ unos chicos me odian porque soy un namefag. No son lugares buenos para practicar las lenguas
Ah, ça craint, comment les gens dans /exyu/ ont découverts que tu étais une diaspora (d'ailleurs, pourquoi t'es en Australie, si ça ne te dérange pas) ? Aussi, t'es celui qui écrit en croate de temps en temps ?
>No son lugares buenos para practicar las lenguas
Au contraire, à mon expérience. À chacun son goût.

Comment ça va, ton espagnol ? Tu fais de bon progrès ? Dirais-tu que t'es courant ?

tfw can't decide on what to learn
I fired up Duolingo so many times but after a week in a new lang I just give up because what's the point? I prob will never travel to the country I'm learning the language of and when I get a job maybe in another country I learned all for nothing.

>>70414703
>posteo en /ex-yu/
Diaspora is getting desperate

>>70402854

- ESTOU aprendendo português.

Welcome to the ser/estar verb.

>>70415167
If the passion isn't there, don't try and force it. Pick a different past time, maybe.

Hey /lang/, I got a couple of questions.

As a Spanish speaker, is learning French about the same as learning Italian, or is it harder?

Secondly, has anyone here tried learning Mandarin after learning Japanese? How does the grammar compare in difficulty? Proportionally speaking, roughly how much would you say the vocab overlaps?

>>70414943
>j'aime le sentiment de communauté
Estoy de acuerdo. Por ejemplo en /esp/ tenemos Jorge. Es un NEET que siempre quiere saber el tamaño de nuestras pollas.
que guay.
>comment les gens dans /exyu/ ont découverts que tu étais une diaspora
Porque no hay muchos australianos que pueden hablar croata. Entonces es obvio que un postante con la bandera australiana es diaspora si habla croata (especialmente con errores gramaticos).
> Aussi, t'es celui qui écrit en croate de temps en temps ?
Sí, a veces uso croata. Especialmente en /lang/. Pero hay unos croatas de Australia aquí en /int/.

>Comment ça va, ton espagnol ? Tu fais de bon progrès ? Dirais-tu que t'es courant ?
Eh. Estoy feliz con mi progreso, pero todavía hay mucho que tengo que aprender. Todavía hago muchos errores. Y supongo que mi vocabulario es un poco simple. Lo empecé estudiar hace 2 años.

amigo, me gustaría saber, eres un negro de Ohio?

>>70415226
Its the same thing. YOu can learn french/italian at the same time, both the grammar and many words are very similar, especially for you that already know spanish.

>>70415167
To be honest, I see language learning like any other hobby. I can't force myself to like playing cricket, and to go to cricket training 3 times a week. Simply because I don't like playing it. It is what it is.
I assume you speak English and Dutch fluently. Perhaps give German or Swedish/Norwegian a try. And then call it a day.

>>70415183
zašto ne volite nas? ;_; samo hoćemo biti braća
>>70415226
>How does the grammar compare in difficulty?
I studied Japanese for a while and a friend of mine has studied Mandarin for a few years now. From what I gather, it seems that Mandarin grammar is much simpler. The word order is much more free than Japanese.
As for vocab, very little overlaps. Although many Japanese words have Chinese origins, overtime the amount of sound changes and adaptations to it has made any hope for mutual intelligibility negligible

>>70414710
>The historical fact is that Košut was a megalomaniacal faggot
"Despite appealing exclusively to Hungarian nobility in his speeches, Kossuth played an important part in the shaping of the law of minority rights in 1849. It was the first law which recognized minority rights in Europe. It gave minorities the freedom to use their mothertongue at local administration, at tribunals, in schools, in community life and even within the national guard of non-Magyar councils."

Oh wow, what an oppressive shitlord, he should've checked his privilege - but oh wait, he was born to a Slovak family himself.

>>70415249
>Por ejemplo en /esp/ tenemos Jorge. Es un NEET que siempre quiere saber el tamaño de nuestras pollas.
>que guay.
top kek. /esp/ est-il le meilleur fil pour parler espagnol ? Je pensais qu'il y en avait plus qu'un (« hilo latino » ou quelque chose comme ça) ?
>Pero hay unos croatas de Australia aquí en /int/.
Assez intéressant.
>Eh. Estoy feliz con mi progreso, pero todavía hay mucho que tengo que aprender. Todavía hago muchos errores. Y supongo que mi vocabulario es un poco simple. Lo empecé estudiar hace 2 años.
Ah, je fais pareil ! C'est un peu difficile à agrandir ton vocabulaire, mais je crois si tu traîneras autour d'étrangers, tu commenceras lentement à comprendre des nouveaux mots et des expressions (pourtant, l'argot est le pire). Noice, je suis heureux que je ne suis pas la seule personne qui étudie une autre langue depuis quelques ans.
>amigo, me gustaría saber, eres un negro de Ohio?
Ha, bien sûr que non ! Je suis en Alaska !

>>70415371
>>70415436
Great. Thanks for the insight, anons.

>>70414039
Mais pourqoi tu veux les voir ? Si ton objectif est pratiquer, n'est meilleur parler avec des natifs ?

>>70415513
>/esp/ est-il le meilleur fil pour parler espagnol ?
Sí. Sin duda es el mejor hilo para hablar español. Hay Hilo Latino, pero eso es como /b/. Siempre hacen el gilipollas.
>C'est un peu difficile à agrandir ton vocabulaire
Acabo de comprar unos libros en español, entonces intentaré mejorar mi vocabulario así.
>je suis heureux que je ne suis pas la seule personne qui étudie une autre langue depuis quelques ans.
Estudias otras idiomas?
>Ha, bien sûr que non ! Je suis en Alaska !
muy qt psh. me encantaría vivir en alaska o en el Yúkon
>>70415592
no problem senpai

>>70415610
Comme j'ai dit plus tôt, je veux juste quelqu'un d'autre avec lequel je peux utiliser français approximatif. D'ailleurs, il y a assez de Français dans /fr/ pour pratiquer quand même (je ne crois pas que je t'ai vu avant...)

Oh yeah et /fr/ n'est pas le seul lieu que je visite.

>>70415638
>Estudias otras idiomas?
Non, mais je voudrais apprendre l'italien et le portugais dans le futur. Quant à toi ?
>muy qt psh. me encantaría vivir en alaska o en el Yúkon
mdr je crois que tout le monde romance ce trou de merde. Oui, il y a de la belle nature, mais en fin de compte, il n'y a rien à faire, nous sommes juste un couple de petites villes. Enfin, nos hivers sont très froid, très sombre, et ils durent la moitié de l'année.

trying to continue russian after college but i don't have a learning partner to talk to. also tried duolingo but i hate having to take 100 tests of basic vocabulary and shit, and half of the time it counts correct answers as incorrect because i didn't use the exact phrase that they programmed in

>>70415792
Stick around here, there's usually a Russian or other type of Slav who is eager to teach and learn. Also try InterPals/Hellotalk/iTalki/Tandem.

>>70415685
>français approximatif

Qu'est-ce que tu veux dire avec ça ? Je l'ai entendu pas pour être honnête

>>70415864
J'essaye de dire « approximate », « rough », « broken ». Ne t'en fais pas, c'est ma faute.

>>70415778
>Non, mais je voudrais apprendre l'italien et le portugais dans le futur.
Quiero aprender portugúes despues español. Y quizás aprenderé italiano. Hay muchísimos italianos en Australia.
>Quant à toi
Obviamente hablo inglés. Estudio español en la universidad. También estoy intentando aperender Croata, la lengua vietnamita y Toki Pona (Un idioma de memes).
>Enfin, nos hivers sont très froid, très sombre, et ils durent la moitié de l'année.
Tip top kek
parece como nuestros veranos
pero psh (para ser honesto), me gustaría vivir en un lugar afuera del mundo. En una area natural.
>>70415792
Jel znam te?
>>70415966
Sip, soy yo.
eres el puto chicano?

>>70411945
I have a half Iranien/Moroccan in my class, she speaks persian

>>70415993
is she qt?

>>70415990
Cuando lo dices así, no sé qué decirte. Siempre estás tan agresivo cuando hablas conmigo, kek. Soy el que habla en /esp/ todo el tiempo, pero no soy un puto chicano.

>>70372266

I am a native Catalan speakers.

I will answer questions about the language.

t. no (You)s

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I can't practice speaking to people, lads. Everyone just makes fun of me. Why can't people just be nice?

>>70416135

speaker*

>>70415922
nah je crois pas ça, je devrai l'avoir entendu du contexte tbqhwy chef

Bleh mon français est terrible, je suis sûr que j'ai fait une tonne de fautes dans les troix posts que j'écrit lmao

>>70416146
being on /brit/ long enough, no on here, int, should easily answer that. People sense shyness and run over you.
>>70416167
fuck. I am going to learn catalan soon just so you dont feel bad.

>>70411945
i just came back from an iran trip. trip is definitely worth it, but the language isn't, unless you are going to spend hours reading farsi poetry.

>>70416101
Hemos hablado unas veces?
Eres de Fort Worth, TX?
>Siempre estás tan agresivo cuando hablas conmigo
lo siento, no me gustan los estadounidenses
>>70416135
chupame la polla. No es una lengua. Es un dialecto de español. Ojalá que Santiago Abascal te jode y tu región de mierda
>>70416146
what language?

>>70415990
>Hay muchísimos italianos en Australia.
Je suis jaloux. T'as encore trouvé une tartelette italienne ?
>Toki Pona
Je crois que je reconnais ça, on l'appel « Tok Pisin » en anglais, n'est-ce pas ? Y a-t-il un marché pour ça en Australie ? Je veux dire, tout le monde est libre à apprendre ce qu'il veut, mais c'est un... choix assez intéressant, je dirais ça.
>pero psh (para ser honesto), me gustaría vivir en un lugar afuera del mundo. En una area natural.
Je vois, nos climats sont très différents, après tout. Encore que tu pourrais aller aux EU continentaux pour trouver de la nature pareille et du temps mieux.

Je me couche maintenant (il est 4:40 en ce moment, j'ai merdé bien), merci pour m'engager, même si c'était en espagnol. Bonne nuit. Bon courage de tes langues.

>>70415993
The flag says it all.

>>70416198
Une fois encore, pas de souci, je te remercie aussi pour engager cet Américain solitaire. N'oublie jamais que nous faisons tous des fautes (j'en vois que j'ai fait), le principle c'est que tu les remarques et t'améliorer. Surtout, amuse-toi. Bon courage et bonne nuit.

>>70416288
German

Native Germans are alright. It's the people from Austria and Switzerland that are the meanies and I don't know why.

>>70416288

Wew

At least I remain in Spain. You ran from the country like a little bastard.
You are now a foreigner, Juanjo

>>70416364
>T'as encore trouvé une tartelette italienne
Tartelette? No sé que significa.
>n l'appel « Tok Pisin » en anglais, n'est-ce pas
ah, no. Son idiomas diferentes. Tok Pisin es un idioma de Papau Nueva Guinea. Pero Toki Pona es idioma artificial, como esperanto.
>Encore que tu pourrais aller aux EU continentaux pour trouver de la nature pareille et du temps mieux.
En 2018, creo que iré a EEUU por unas semanas.
tristamente no a alaska ;-;
>Bonne nuit. Bon courage de tes langues.
Buenas noches, espero que hablaremos pronto

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>>70416414
>It's the people from Austria and Switzerland that are the meanies and I don't know why.
Really? I've always found Austrians to be pretty cool people. By far the only German speakers worth listening to.
>pic related

Also, I've heard the Germans on /int/ are turbo-autists.

>>70416427
1) I was born here
2) You cunts won't remain in Spain for much longer if you cucks keep voting for Podemos
3) I'm not a Spaniard or a latino

>>70416288
>chupame la polla. No es una lengua. Es un dialecto de español.

oye por qué coño te pones tan borde de la nada lmao? hace un rato te has quejado de que nadie te hablaba en el /exyu/ ni en el /esp/, pues a mí no me parece que sea porque eres diaspora o namefag sino porque te portas como un quinceañero edgy y poco agradable

>>70416364
oui, c'est claire, je ne me soucie pas pour être honnete

>le principle c'est que tu les remarques et t'améliorer. Surtout, amuse-toi.

d'accord mais en fait j'ai délaissé le français et j'ai commencé à étudier grec

>Bon courage et bonne nuit.

bonne nuit et bonne chance en étudier français, mon mec

>>70416605

Well, then:

1) I am a catalanist. But not necessarily an independist.
2) I hate Podemos. I hate xarnegos. I hate leftist cuck independentist. And above anything, I hate leftist xarnegos independentists (i.e. Rufian)
3) You are a clown if you really believe that Catalan is a dialect of Spanish

>>70416805
Left xarnego independentists*

Fucking auto-corrector...

>>70414703
El australiANO

>>70416839
no, "leftist xarnegos independentists" queda mejor (bueno aparte de que sobra la s en xarnegos y el orden de las palabras es un poco raro, yo diría "independentist leftist xarnegos"). las palabras right y left no suelen usarse como adjetivos cuando se habla de política, generalmente dicen left/right wing (pero usar "far right" o "far left" así está bien, por ejemplo "a far right politician")

>>70416805
Aaaaaajajaaaajajajajaaaajaj
El catalANO
Ve a comerla charnego muerto de hambre

>>70416805
4) I'm a nueces

>>70417056

Tienes toda la razón. En realidad quería corregirlo quitando solo la s de xarnegos. Pero me he despistado y la he vuelto a cagar

>>70416761
>porque te portas como un quinceañero edgy y poco agradable
Vuelvete a Reddit, maricon

>>70416805
>You are a clown if you really believe that Catalan is a dialect of Spanish
You think there's a clean border between dialect and language?
>I am a catalanist
You sound independist to me
>>70416924
te quiero, mi luz

>>70417127
Bud why? :DD

>>70417185
Catalanism does not necessarily imply the separation from the Spanish state. The opposite is also true. Some independentist groups, like the CUP, have explicitly stated that they are not catalanists (at least they are sincere, those Andaluces).
Indepententists frequently do things that are abhorrent to catalanists, like promoting the rumba ""Catalana"" as part of the Catalan culture.

The border between dialect and language is indeed not clear, but because of its historical, linguistical and geographical characteristics it makes no sense to classify Catalan as a dialect of Castillian. If anything, Catalan is one of the Occitan dialects.

>>70417185
Nos hablamos varias veces pero dudo que lo recuerdes.
>Eres de Fort Worth, TX?
soy de Tennessee
>lo siento, no me gustan los estadounidenses
ya veo por qué nos odias. Es porque escoria como >>70417088 existe.

>>70417350
>to classify Catalan as a dialect of Castillian. If anything, Catalan is one of the Occitan dialects.
I'd hate to say it, but perhaps Spain should receive the Chinese treatment. All the dialects are the "Chinese language" despite many not being able to understand the others. However the dominant one is Mandarin.

>Catalanism does not necessarily imply the separation from the Spanish state
I understand that you can support your own region's interests without wanting seperation, but at this point in time of your country's politics, I'd say that it doesn't really matter, you're either for nationalism or separation. It seems like it has become such a hot-button topic

>>70415792
Duolingo is pretty good at accepting different wording

>>70417442
>Nos hablamos varias veces pero dudo que lo recuerdes.
He hablado con muchos estadounidenses. Pero me alegro que me recuerdas.
Deberiamos hablar por discord alguna vez. Quizás podemos practicar juntos. Te prometo que no seré agresivo.

>>70417185
>Vuelvete a Reddit, maricon

ves? si crees que tus insultos sencillitos son banter vas bastante equivocado, debes ser el único australiANO que no sabe hacerlo

>You think there's a clean border between dialect and language?

pues tú obviamente sí que lo crees, campeón. no habías empezado con decirle que no era un idioma sino un dialecto?

bueno pues en el discurso lingüístico no suelen hacer una distinción clara entre los dialectos y los idiomas, y el 99% del tiempo se la suda a los lingüístas si un habla es un idioma o no (a no ser que estén en la lingüística social). en el discurso político sí que hay una métrica: si está codificado, estandartizado, tiene estatus oficial, y hay una academia que lo regula, es un idioma. el catalán cumple las cuatro cosas

>>70417749
>pues tú obviamente sí que lo crees
>¿qué es mierdapostear?

It's another episode of "everything you say on 4chan is 100% factual and totally in-line with all your views at all times"

Jodeme. Por qué sueles postear?
Intentas a darme una clase de lingüística, y la estudia.
>si está codificado, estandartizado, tiene estatus oficial, y hay una academia que lo regula, es un idioma
jajjajajajajajajajjajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja
Gracias. Escribiré eso en mi próximo tesis. Me preguntaré porque no cumpliré 100%

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Anyone here used Pimsleur?Is it good beginner material or should I go for a textbook or something else first?

>>70418473
I personally didnt like it since it is like a repeat and play but it was somewhat usefull for getting use to the speed of a langauge and how it sounds.

>>70373897
>t. Achmed

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>tfw the ukrainian guy is putting me to shame with his language skills

>>70416288
>No es una lengua. Es un dialecto de español.
it isn't though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitano-Romance_languages

>>70416761
Блiн, cкiльки мoв ти знaєш?

>>70407491
Ankaŭ mi. Mi nur volas paroli lingvojn kiujn mi jam bone scipovas.

>>70413704
jan seme li*

mi :D

>>70418473
it's very slow, boring and it teaches overly formal language. good part about is it that it uses spaced repetition, so if you do each lesson a day as they tell you to you WILL remember everything.

>>5086816

plis halp

Do you think the German are helpful with foreigners learning their language?

>>70424235
from what I have seen on here. Mostly.

>>70424235

From what i've heard IRL Germans are the worst when it comes to helping foreigners who speak their language.

>>70425376
>here

>>70425819
shit

>>70413704
toki, jan pi akesi nasa mute o!

>>70423358
toki, jan pi moku mute o!

>>70428450
>jan pi akesi nasa mute
>jan pi moku mute
kek

toki tawa sina, jan pi telo nasa lili o!

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Is polish a good language to learn? I like slavic ones and I already know russian.

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>>70423358
Ni ĉuij atingos ĝin, fraĉjo

>>70428859
I tried learning it on Duolingo, thinking it shouldn't be too hard since I also speak Russian already.
Oh boy, nothing could prepare me for that orthography.

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>>70428817
>>70428450
what langauge is this!

>>70417749
El ukraniANO

>>70429283
Mi konsentas. Tamen la vojaĝo estas malfacila.

>>70429532
toki pona, the language of the gods.

>>70429532
In terms of autism, Toki Pona to Esperanto is as Esperanto is to natlangs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swzfGHsdkuI
motivation for french learners.

>>70430229
I would say that Lojban is to Esperanto as Esperanto is to natlangs.

>>70422896
Lurk moar please
>>70423358
A! Pona

>>70428450
>toki, jan pi akesi nasa mute o!
Top kek
Toki, jan pi ma telo o!

hi

>>70436440
Hi

>>70436440
r a r e

What language is this?

>>70436586
american

you lads know any good German podcasts for beginners?

>>70430229
>>70433422
There is nothing "autistic" (a word neurotypicals constantly use incorrectly) about Esperanto.

anyone here from the vocaroo threads

>>70372266
Parents are Serb diaspora, but died before teaching me the language. What are good tools to learn it? I've already started studying the cryllic alphabet

>>70440602
I already speak English and French fluently.

>>70413676
test
ᑫᐠ

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>>70440602
>the cyrillic alphabet
dude...

how to speakers of languages with markings on the letter feel about typing/writing them? does it ever get tedious?

>>70443695
you mean like these? öü

>>70443695
>literally just one more strike
Does it ever get tedious to raise your pen after every single letter in print script rather than using cursive?

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>>70443904
no, and most people write in semi cursive like this

>>70439033
Michel Thomas and language transfer are alright. Pimsleur is slow but some recommend it, try that one too.

Translate these.

>>>/trash/7419414

>>70429408
Wel it's pretty easy for me personally and I only know croatian and english.

But after duolingo i'm kinda strugling with expanding polish vocabulary.

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>>70418473
>Pros:
Your pronunciation will improve dramatically
SRS will help you learn and remember words and phrases
Listening comprehension will improve

>Cons
Boring as all hell
Doesn't teach you any grammar
Forces overly polite, business/tourist talk


If you can stand getting through 1 lesson a day, with the minimum 80% understanding rate they talk about, then it's great. Obviously accompany it with a textbook and other material, or you'll be saying the right things, but you won't have a clue why.

Been learning a little Russian every day over the past month.

Я пoнимaю нeмнoгo пo-pyccки ceйчac.

No doubt what I said is full of errors, but whatever.

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el hilo ESTA TAN CRUDO, MALDITOS BURROS
Just kidding. good morning bump.
>>70454569
Mistakes are how we get better, no?

Leaning English currently. The language itself feels very dry, primitive and rigid as the ass of op's mother's. Looking to learn something more complex like Spanish.

>>70456830
this is bait

>>70459267
no that's the truth

Is there a list of recommended textbooks somewhere? Do I just check amazon for what's the most sold one?

>>70460725
He meant the part about my mom.

>>70460810
I don't think there is a definite list like that.Which language you had in mind?Maybe someone who studied that can recommend something for you.

>>70461201
Russians. No, not a definite one, but it'd be good to have.

Spanish speaking people or Spanish learners, does the DR sound like this?

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1VC0brQfOLF

>>70463665
*RR
Fucking keyboard

mp

>memerise pro is needed to hear the fucking words you're learning
JUST

>>70467203
will it free with your mind powers.

https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAAbtX4dnSfoL6qPpRg
If someone want learn russian - welcome
t.ruski

>>70385258
this is how I think about it:

by learning more than one language, you are adding to the amount of women you can approach and flirt with, women will feel more comfortable speaking in their native tongue, and are more likely to date you than if they had to communicate in english, which would become irritating for them.

>>70467203
gotta jew it someway to get the sheckles.

le definitif bump

>>70467203
what do you mean
they say the word every time you give an answer

>>70454569
Good. Russians like normally to put the adverb between the subject and verb.

> ja seychas ponimaju

bumpi

>>70475202
Not for me. But I found an userscript to do this anyway, so it's no problem.

>>70479532
do you use memrise on pc? i've only ever done it on phone

>>70474916
old friend. I think these threads are on their last legs

Olà ! Tudo bem?

>>70481087
defíneme lo que es todo bien en tu opinión.

ip

>>70475302
Я ceйчac пoнимaю пo-pyccки нeмнoгo ...?

I want to learn other languages but its kinda boring to do self study. Already speak english,telugu,hindi with some basic spanish and japanese. I could probably become mediocre in a few languages but I know I wont ever have the chance to travel to them and enjoy it like some worthless loser who can just drop everything and go "experience" another culture. For me being from india, nothing is going to be anything new to me or would shock me and change it. I would just like certain aspects of a country and enjoy the food and people.

>>70485507
Learn Java. :^)

>>70485507
Learn languages that you can use on the internet imo.

>>70485566
I know a bit of programming but honestly I hate it, thank god I got into database management. Its a decent job but getting kinda boring, looking at trading stocks on the side a bit.

Whats stock trading like in norway? Are many younger kids under 30-35 into it?

>>70447701
>>>/trash/7426418

>>70485882
ur mom

>>70413704
mi lon, toki!
>>70429742
*musi-musi*
>>70485379
Я ceйчac нeмнoгo пoнимaю пo-pyccки.
Heмнoгo is an adverb too, so, as >>70475302 said, it's better to put this word between the subject and the verb, so it sounds neutral, just like you state the fact with no stressing on a single word of the phrase.

>>70480151
That's very true ameribro.

hi turkie bey

>>70490752
Hello nihonjinsan

>>70491012
merhaba
nasılsınız?

>>70491092
Merhaba, iyiyim siz nasılsınız, ne yapıyorsunuz?

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>>70491171
manga'im okuyorum

i have to take foreign language cllasses in university. i can take german for A2 to B1, but i am not sure if i really want to. it is 6 hours a week and i think i could reach b1 myself with less study. what do you guys think?

>>70491376
There's a nice social component to taking classes, but yeah, I think you could self-teach just fine.

>>70491393
thing is i can take other classes in place of german. and i am not crazy about german either, it just would be useful if tried to go to a german speaking country for academy. other than that the only use of it would be reading some authors i like without translation

>>70491451
Yeah, if learning is isn't your main priority, you're better off self-teaching, where you can go at your own pace and leisure. Though, studying abroad seems a bit much, in my opinion...

>>70491272
Say "mangamı okuyorum" is the correct way.

manga word
manga-(ı)m my manga, you don't add the ı here because there is vowel already there "a" already
manga-m-ı talking about my manga

>>70491602
studying abroad not german, my own subject, but in a german country. austria and switzerland would be my main destinations for my studies, so there is that. but yeah i think i am gonna -at least this semester- skip german and see what i think next year

>>70492027
>studying abroad not german, my own subject, but in a german country. austria and switzerland would be my main destinations for my studies
Yeah, that sounds difficult, trying to get around in a country whose language you don't know.
> i think i am gonna -at least this semester- skip german and see what i think next year
Sounds like a good idea.

>>70492066
eh, i think english would be enough. it isn't like i am gonna go live in a rural village. there are many gavurs here that live by english, i can only expect switzerland and austria would be easier for me in that respect. and i think within 5-6 months i would reach a pretty firm level of proficiency of german -with some extra effort- if i lived in one of those countries

Do you guys study in one go or in little batches?

Personally i tend to do 20-30 minutes a few times a day. When i try and study for 1 hour+ at a time i lose focus and flick between language windows and internet windows.

>>70492239
Does lingering in a language general count? Doing something in that language (watching/listening to media)? Concerning serious studying, I probably do less than 30 min. a day. You shouldn't be doing a lot, especially in one session, you'll burn yourself out.

>>70492239
I do it like you said 30-40 minutes of studying mostly once maybe twice a day.Rarely I go on 6 hour binges and those are always repeating what I just studied.

>>70488904
Awesome dude, very helpful.

Cпacибo!

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>the subjunctive mood

Haitian Creole is now in the duo incubator. Quite a strange choice imo

>>70372266
>what language are you learning?
Portuguese as we get a lot of Brazilian customers at work and sometimes I need to be with them on the phone

I'm starting to dream in the language I'm studying. The problem is I still don't understand it. It's still gibberish in dream form.

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>>70492774
>>70492239
For those who have done it this way (less than an hour of studying a day). Does it really get you anywhere?

>>70495159
Malditos brasileiros comprando pó e trazendo para cá.

Brincadeira...

>>70481087
Não, e você?

>>70493296
Finnish fucking when

>>70498865
Yes, though the progress is really slow as expected.

>>70498583
That is REALLY GOOD. That means your brain is starting to get used to how the language is spoken and heard.
>>70498865
It does. But a lot of polyglots get good at languages because they dedicate hours to studying. A good way to do it is to split up your studying into chunks.

>Maintaining

Japanese

>Vigorously learning

Mandarin Chinese because I'm currently living in China

>Interested in learning

Russian

Any advice?

>>70499668
Not sure about Finnish, but they said that they're going to release 4-5 smaller languages this year

>>70500279
Study whenever you feel up to it imo. That's what I do.

>>70500279
>A good way to do it is to split up your studying into chunks.
What do you mean by this though? Chunks as in, an hour of learning, a break, then another hour? Instead of a continuous 2 hours of study.

>>70500453
>Mandarin Chinese because I'm currently living in China
Does California becomes China?

>>70503026
small 30 minute sessions with a hr or 2 breaks in between each individual session.

>>70503178
I'm using a proxy m80

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3x-2IhJwjo
>You will never be a memepolyglot of obscure minority languages
why live?

>>70503402
These languages are so under developed and lack proper learning resources. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's absolute garbage at them but believes he is "fluent" in every single one.

>>70503402
Ryukuyan language?

>>70503402
Dead languages*
>>70503954
A dead language speaked in Russia

>>70504289
oh he is multilingual.
> Erzya language
I didn't know it.

>>70504289
He means Okinawan you dumb leaf

>>70504577
なんくるないさー
(this means 'Que sera sera' in Okinawan dialect.)

Every time i think i've got away from wanting to learn Russian i find a book or something and it drags me back.

Is there discord group or skype conversation where i can practice my english as well as hold meaningful conversations with my fellow 4channers about such important topics as atheism and how racist all white people are?

>>70505668
try iTalki

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>>70505668
there's probably a English-Russian exchange discord like for many other languages, I'm in a spanish equivalent even though it's so very active

I guess just google around and search reddit etc and maybe you'll find something

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>current year
>he's not learning a celtic language

when are you gonna step it up anons?

>>70409752
So, turns out they suddenly can deliver the book before february. Minor issue. I forgot I don't have a way to play CDs. I figured my Wii-U would, but nintendo decided to go for "nope".

So, anyone know where I can get audio from these CDs

I am planning on attending an ethnic church tomorrow to see what it is like

Is it possible to learn a language from church? If I stick around I will try to learn it in my spare time too and practice with church goers every week

>>70510629
speaking with people is always great for learning

>>70507424
pasame el enlace de ese grupo

Magyarul talnuk. Tudtok valami jó oktatóanyagot?

Im learning Hungarian and pretty new to language. I picked some Hungarian up by lurking and translating the Hungarian threads but I'd like to know if there is an introduction book to the Hungarian language that contains phrases as well as grammar. Is there something like a Micheal Thomas style introduction video?

Also how much more nihongo will I have to benkyou before I can understand my Chinese cartoons?

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>>70512150
https://discord.gg/M9jWmvg
https://discord.gg/cfty5Ra

acá tenés dos ameo ))