Is Colombia the economic tiger of South America? Booming economy(highest

NO REEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY'RE NOT WHITE SO IT DOESN'T COUNT REEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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GO COLOMBIA!

>stable political system

Wrong.

>>70362226
Why are you so mad, Reddit is that way

>>70362193
Outside the southern cone the ones that are better off are Perú then Brasil then Colombia, maybe.

>>70362260
This


FARC is so widespread that it probably controls 50% of the country and is so powerful that it has its own government

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That's very impressive. I am supportive of the growth and success of Colombia as a nation. Hopefully Colombia will grow to be a shining paragon and assist in leading all of South America into a brighter and more prosperous future, because God knows my country is not.

>>70362286
any successful non-white country is successful because of white people, non-whites can't do anything for themselves because they're inferior
t. /int/

>>70362336
You know that's not true, Zhao Li Feng

>>70362193
>Is Colombia the economic tiger of South America?
No
>Booming economy(highest growth in SA)
Wrong that would be Peru and if investors choose to Argentina could be great again
>Stable currency
No, it's suffered the same devaluation as other Latin American countries
>Highest wages and purchasimg power in SA
Lol no higher wages are in Uruguay and Argentina although cost of living is really low

>Constructions everwhere, from 300m skyscrapers to high speed trains
High speed trains? You just made that up, among the shittiest roads in Latin America

>Best technical university in SA

What technical university is that mate?

>Lots of start ups and hq of big companies(google, fb, microsoft) for Latin America
Really?

>Stable political system
Lmao no they are paving the way for gommies to take over

>Goverment with vision
Literally one of the most corrupt governments

>Rapidly decreasing criminality
Only on the surface

>Unique culture

Yeah, so?

It's a nice place to live if you are wealthy or mid class. Being poor in Colombia is tough

>>70362336
>taking /int/ so seriously
Holy shit, are you really this insecure. Beck to Reddit you faggot

>>70362479
joke's on u lol I was only pretending

>>70362454
Please tell me that (you) wasn't meant for me.

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>>70362454
Never post again

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>>70362327

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https://youtu.be/X4koXeZvAfg

>Inb4 it's le vice so ur arguement is shite xdddd

>>70362193
they have improved a lot but we have thousands of young Colombians in Buenos Aires because "free" University Education.

>>70362193
They're doing well but I[d say the real dark horse so far is Peru, they have low key advanced greatly. If I was an investor that's the country in South America I'd go with.

>>70362688
I love you too

Soy el fuego que arde tu piel
Soy el agua que mata tu sed
El castillo, la torre yo soy
La espada que guarda el caudal

Tú el aire que respiro yo
Y la luz de la luna en el mar
La garganta que ansío mojar
Que temo ahogar de amor

¿Y cuáles deseos me vas a dar?
Dices tú, "Mi tesoro basta con mirarlo
Tuyo será, y tuyo será.

>>70362660
That's your fault for having a system that everyone can take advantage of and not only Colombians do that but literally everyone of the continent

>>70362660
Are they all black? I met tons of colombians when I lived in NY and none of them were black, but some anon from chile posted colombians in chile and they were all black lol, really made me think.

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>>70362711
tell that to australia and their $18 minimum wage :^)

Peru is the country that grows the most in South America, then Colombia. Other shitholes grow less or are in recession.

>>70362260
it is, Colombia has been the most democratic South American country for the past century. Other Sudacas had dictatorships, we didn't.

>>70362757
>>70362759

I have never seen a black Colombian, which is funny because Chileans complain about them a lot here, Colombians here tend to be mainly Spanish mestizos, kinda like the soccer player James.

And yes, we are the welfare state of the rest of South America with no reciprocity whatsoever.

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>>70362688
>>70362810

>>70362417
>Wrong that would be Peru and if investors choose to Argentina could be great again

it could be, the fact is that this year Colombian economy will most likely grow more.

>High speed trains? You just made that up, among the shittiest roads in Latin America

there are plans for several suburban train, metro and urban train systems. Also no country is investing so much in roads in SA.

>>70362668
>Colombia has had the most free economy in Latin America for a while now

in some very specific items, yes. Overall, Peru and Chile have a more free economy. Then comes Colombia.

Piece of shit


Trust me

>>70362193

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>>70362898
Argentina is 100x better than your shitty country

Also criminals

>tfw no novio colombiano

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>>70362953
This is how argentina looks today

>>70362810
Tu no sabes nada pero muchos espanioles cuando se refieren a sudacas es a venezuela y colombia principalmente

La cantidad de criminales bandas latinas en Espania son de tu pais o centro america

>>70362810
>>70362688
The thing with Peru is that is evolving faster than everyone but it used to be a pretty poor country so their starting point was pretty low, we will probably get on the same level and keep moving at the same speed in some years

Also this thread will probably end up as shitposting fest since the galles have arrived

>>70363036
Notece la falta de "ñ" en este post.

>>70363036
sudaca is everyone including Mexicans.

there are much more criminal scum from Romania/Morocco (like you) than Colombians doing that.

>>70363079
Peru is already average or above average on several items, and it will continue to grow fast because of good economic policies compared to socialist shitholes like Argentina or Memezuela. The thing is that they need to diversify their economy, also, improve education system significatively.

>>70363151
>Argentina is getting worse, while Colombia is getting better. Given the choice to move to either, I pick Colombia without a fucking doubt.

Fucking idiot


>I've actually visited both countries. Argentinians are lazy fucking Shits, and the only reliably open shops are operated by Asian immigrants.
True

>>70362722
>>70362866
>>70363111
los peruANOS

>>70363151
Same

Colombia is the future

Argentina is just full of arrogant pricks living in the past

>>70363151
Colombia is populated by criminals and everybody hates them at least in Spain

>>70363193
Sup

>>70363193
PeruANUS get all the digits, maybe Peru is indeed the future.

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>>70363207
would you let me in spen?

>>70363079
Agreed on the shitposting, and as I mentioned my view is Colombia is doing pretty well. The question was about who's a tiger (as in similar to Asian tiger economies) Colombia is still bogged down by far harder to fix systemic issues (drugs, corruption, violence) than Peru, Chile is more settled and has a lesser return on investment. Granted, both Colombia and Chile are more advanced than Peru in many areas, but mid to long term I see greater potential for sustainable growth in Peru.

In a wider sense these three countries, along with Mexico, are already considered the Latin American tigers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pacific_Pumas

>>70363190
El estereotipo viene de tu mierda de pais y hazme caso

Aqui en Espania esta mejor visto ser de Argentina que de colombia pero de lejos


Vosotros y los rumanos estais en lucha de conseguir el primer puesto en como joder esta nacion

>>70363257
They could a pretty good tandem with colombia

Colombia is doing great latelly, last decade was the best in our history.

Marihuana is expected to become a big part of our industry, because North americans couldn't simply compete againts our prices (a few cents cost a marihuana flower here versus several dollars in north america).

FARC has agreed the peace deal, ELN will soon follow.

Next goverments will stop having to worry about war and could rather spend the money on education and infraestructure.

I keep hearing from americans and other foreigners that we love to work hard, dunno, can someone confirm?

>>70363263
No

>>70362193
It's a glorified banana republic that's based mostly on exporting raw natural resources. Also lmao at the person itt saying we never had dictators.
t. Colombian pro

>>70363207
>>70363274

I visited Spain several times. Colombians are fairly well integrated, a lot of them even acquired Spanish accent which I find very odd. Doesn't matter if there is a Colombian in the news from time to time because drug trafficking

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>>70363303
bud why?

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>>70363322
>Colombians are fairly well integrated

>>70363284
Colombia has a very dark future because of the goddamn communist guerrillas. They are among the wealthiest organizations on the planet and are buying their way into government. Colombia is also a very corrupt shithole and taxation is off the roof. Literally all investors will flee to Chile, Peru and Argentina. They raised the taxes to 19%

>>70363296
Also we are a NATO associate and our government made a deal with them last month, Maduro is already sperging out about it

>>70362810

>it is, Colombia has been the most democratic South American country for the past century. Other Sudacas had dictatorships, we didn't.

Your country has had a civil war for decades along with a narco war with dead politicians, jorunalists, etc with massive corruption and violence.

Your political system isn't stable at all, having a dictatorship or not doesn't change that.

>>70363296
>Marihuana is expected to become a big part of our industry, because North americans couldn't simply compete againts our prices (a few cents cost a marihuana flower here versus several dollars in north america).

do you have legal weed?

we don't yet, but the companies in it are already valued at 3 billion

>>70363320
>Also lmao at the person itt saying we never had dictators.

its the truth you monkie, we had a single dictator, for four years in the 50s, and it was a shit dictator who gave up easily and called for elections himself. a few years later he nominated for presidency and lost.

any other Sudaca country had one or several dictatorships that lasted decades.

>>70363360
lmao nobody will vote for those faggots here.

It doesn't matter because the next president will be another uribe puppet.

nobody here likes socialism.

>>70363207
And cheap prostitutes or putas de carretera

>>70363377
>Your political system isn't stable at all

but it IS stable. has it changed? no.

>>70363360
>They are among the wealthiest organizations on the planet and are buying their way into government.

that's retarded. They could have done that already many years ago, they aren't doing it now that they will be exposed and under all kinds of scrutiny.

>>70363379
medicinal marihuana is already legal here, so there's already big plans to harvest and farm marihuana for medical purposes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/business/international/colombia-medical-marijuana-drugs.html?_r=0

Other countries simply can't compete because we can harvest all year long here because is basically summer the entire year here.

>>70362193
First let's solve the narcotraffic problem in all of SA and then we'll talk

>>70363377
Colombians are fine with corruption especially the ones who have those involved in it either via family or friends when push comes to shove.

>>70363398
Keep telling yourself that, almost half the country voted for a peace agreement which had the mandatory political presence of FARC in the congress without election and land redistribution laws. Give it a decade until you and your cuck generation end up like the liberal faggots in California whose only concern is gay marriage. Oh that's right one of the government agreements was to acknowledge that gender is a social construct.

>>70363520
Colombia already has gay marriage retard.

>>70362810
You never had a dictatorship because you never needed it. Politics in Colombia is still in the same standard of oligarchic control as in the rest of South America during the 1910s.

>>70363473
the companies here are building greenhouses that cost almost 30 million + so they can grow year round

>>70363549
I know and I meant it as they turn out to be liberal SJW faggots you faggot ass leaf.

Americans would have never voted for a socialist but weaken the values, give them drugs and sexual degeneracy and you have Americans voting for Bernie Sanders.

>>70363296
Don't underestimate the FARC. If they are leaving the armed struggle, it's because they believe they have chances of success in the political struggle.

I'm going to predict here that in less than 20 years the party created by the FARC will win the elections and undo all the progress of the last decades.

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>>70363520
you don't know my country.

the left already is a fucking failure here and never wins any election.

the right already control the media.

Look up the anti gay manifestations in my country, the only reason there's gay marriage is because leftist here spoke about our international compromises and some shit.

gay people are still beaten here and most people feel proud about using biblical arguments against gays.

shut up, you don't live here and my country is like a muslim state compared to your faggotry and SJW and trasngender shit.

>>70363588
Yeah, and they will be bankrupt when they discover they can harvest four times here in a year without warehouses and simply using natural daylight.

>>70363631
you can thank the FARC for giving the left a big stigma here.

I don't think the country will become a majority those new millenials voting for FARC.

>>70363631
Also, the thing about the FARC is that they still have economic power and political influence in the areas they control.

Everyone else disappeared, the cartels of the 1980s, the paramilitary armies of the 1990s and early 2000s, while the FARC remained and have taken control of the entire illegal drug trade in South America. Brazil is currently entering a drug war between the main factions, and one of them, the one that controls trade between South America, is linked to FARC and left-wing movements.

>>70363655
Bogota and those fucking coastal shitholes will change that in some years, the only solution will give independence to Antioquia and the Santanderes

>>70363718
>you can thank the FARC for giving the left a big stigma here.

These things pass rather quickly, given left-wing institutional control of the media and education systems. I don't know how things are in Colombia in this regard, but I'm going to guess most universities are filled with pro-FARC people who mask their attitude behind "human rights" discourse. These guys are going to educate the next generation to believe FARC were the good guys fighting inequality and oppression, so when they begin to vote, they will vote for the party associated with the FARC.

That's how ex-guerrilla members have reached power in countries like Brazil and Uruguay.

>>70363655
See
>>70363601
And I do know more about Colombia than you do. Petro a literal former communist guerrilla commander who turned bogota into a piece of shit is second on the polls for president. Like Brazil said do not underestimate them, these people have billions and billions of dollars in Switzerland waiting to be used to gain power. You do not become the biggest most powerful drug cartel in the world by being dumb, they have a plan.

>>70363718
Pretty sure there are import tariffs on marihuana

Same here...it is local or from netherlands(single eu market)

It is impossible to export "drugs" from SA to Canada or EU

>>70363794
good luck getting the population to vote for you when you kidnapped their relatives, killed them (the peasants), made terrorists attacks for years.
good luck getting the people to vote for leftists when the historical turn over for left politicians is 30%

good luck getting the majority when we have uribe and ordoñez, who are basically right wing conservatives and hold more political power than the FARC.

also good luck promoving leftists ideologies when the average colombian still goes to church and believe in the bible and jesus.

we're a conservative right wing country.

people still here remember Pablito.

>>70363836
>Bogotá
You really can't expect more from rolos but I'm sure that won't happen in almost any other part of the country

>>70363836
And yes, Petro biggest victory was a fucking major in the capital, filled with SJW.

he was fourth in the results when he was president, and yes, I voted for him.

he's big on the cities, but good luck getting the average peasant on the farms voting for him.

You need to remember Uribe is basically jesus 2.0 here.

It would be easier for uribe to be president again than FARC.

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>>70363794
The national university of Colombia,

>nO cHanCe wE cAn B iDocTriNaTeD tO Da LeFT LMAO

>>70363930
That's just like Brazil in the early 1980s, and look what happened afterwards.

If leftists control the university system, then they don't need anything else but teach their doctrines to the people that matter at colleges and wait.

Seriously, if after years of civil war, with right-wing death squads killing activists, the turn over for left politicians is 30%, they are going to win easily once they stop being actively fought against. It won't even take 20 years as I predicted. Already in the next decade we will have a socialist president in Colombia.

>>70364047
>>70364051
>the right wing elites will do nothing and leave commies to take over

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>>70364047
It's always the universities man, the universities are the key, and everyone forgets it.

The current tragedy in Venezuela didn't began with Chavez winning the elections in 1999, or with the economic crisis of the 1980s. It began when, Romulo Betancourt, out of his naive democratic idealism, gave autonomy to the universities in Venezuela, prohibiting the police from even entering university campuses. As a result, Venezuelan universities became hotspots of revolutionary activism, there were Cuban trained guerrillas inside the Central University and no one gave a fuck. These people educated the Venezuelan elites for decades, the intellectual elite who staffed the bureaucracy, the media and the cultural industry and who would later accept some brutish military officer as the socialist savior of the country. That's how our countries fall.

>>70363969
>>70364000
Why is it so hard to understand that generations can be cucked into accepting leftists ideals and support SJWism? It happened in Europe it happened in Canada and it's happening here big time.

Of course FARC wouldn't get themselves to be Potus but they sure can have some charismatic leader who supposedly has nothing to do with them obey their asses. Don't be so naive.
I hope to God it doesn't happen but there's still a cultural war to be fought so in 10 years from now people still despise leftism.

>>70364160
yeah, good luck promoting socialism when you have a failed socialist state next to you.

you also seem to imply the right wing elites will allow for commies to win, is very common to hear people IRL and on facebook talking how the FARC will take over after they sign the peace.

we haven't forgotten or ignored their plan.

>>70364215
socialismo del siglo XXI is already failling here and most countries are moving away from leftism.

hell, trump got elected, brexit happened, we voted NO.

right now the left is dieing and the historical pendulum is moving back to right wing and nationalism.

holy fuck, calm down the fear faggots.

>>70364089
If the right-wing elites are educated by Marxist professors at universities to see social inequality as the greatest evil that must be atoned by socialist wealth redistribution, and that possible human rights violations are worst than the lawlessness and disorder brought by crime, yes, they may actually just let the commies take over.

I know because I live in a country where that's exactly what happened. It took the creation of another right-wing intellectual culture, one that completely rejected the moral framework of the left, for us to be able to fight back.

>>70364288
you seem to ignore how the right wing is having a revival all over the world.

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>>70364226
>>70364279
Left-wing governments in Latin America were hit by economic crises, but they didn't lost their political power. Maduro is still firmly in charge in Venezuela, thanks to his support in the army and with paramilitaries. Argentina will probably elect a Peronist in the next elections since Macri didn't manage to convince investors that the country is stable enough to warrant investment, Brazil is also at risk in 2018, Lula may very well win the elections, Chile has just change the constitution that gave it stability, which also increases the power of the left.

Don't underestimate these guys, they are planning their takeover the continent, articulating their strategies, for decades.

>>70364396
you seem to think they're invulnerables or some stupid BS when all their goverments are failing into pieces.

>>70364160
What's with your right wing delussions? We've had autonomous universities since the 1930's and arguably as a revolutionary government with far closer historical ties to Cuba a lot more Marxist influence than any of you, this was never an issue.

Edgy right wingers will blame the very foundations of western society, such as academic freedom, for the erosion of the same Western values they claim to uphold. What's next? Do you think freedom of speech is responsible for "cultural Marxism"?

This is Trump tier idiocy.

>>70364458
The cultural power of the left is based in a narrative, sometimes what appear to be "defeats" are merely strategical retreats, so another side can take the blame for the economic crisis they created, for example, so they can return triumphantly later.

>>70364495
Sorry, but I'm not familiar with Mexican history, but I will say it's surprising university autonomy (which is a Latin American, not Western phenomenom, it began in Argentina), have worked differently for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_university_reform_of_1918

>>70364669
sorry, but comunism will never be the continuation of the system.

we'll get a capitalist system with universal income, free college, free healthcare, with regulations passed and big focus on sustainaible enviromental production, filled with decentralized systems such as 3D printing, bitcoin, meshnets, space mining.

we'll get towards a post capitalist system with infinite resources (from space mining and 3D printing) and heavy automatization on all ranges thanks to AI.

Comunism socialism are garbage memes from stagnated intelectuals who still think memes from the XIX century are good rather than researching what is happening now.

The old capitalism versus socialism are garbage ideological wars of the last century.

leave that trash in the past.

>>70364669
You're based Brazil bro

>>70364774
Hopefully you're right. I really fear the gommies will create the new world order they've been preaching about for decades.

>>70364903
capitalism won when the URSS collapsed.

we now have some few remaining states that still want to try the failed experiment.

but for current day trading system you need now to trade with capitalists systems and USA owns the world.

not a single economic guy takes marxists shit seriously, is only discussed on history of economics.

is usually the shit degrees that are filled with commies.

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>>70364774
I sincerely hope you're right and I'm wrong. I'm afraid because these "stagnated intellectuals" still have a lot of power, including to politicize the science and technology that would make your scenario possible.

When I see, even in developed countries, things like that guy who landed a rocket in a comet be criticized because of his "sexist" shirt, or how tech companies are pressured by "diversity consultants" to hire underqualified people for the sake of inclusion, I fear for our future.

One of political thinker I admire, though I'm not really that familiar with, is Jaime Guzman, a Chilean intellectual associated with Augusto Pinochet, who defended the "depoliticization" of intermediary institutions of civil society. What we see now is the complete opposite, every single issue of human society has been politicized, not only civil society, but the economy, science and technology, culture, etc.

And when things are politicized, they are shifted to the left, for the sake of those intellectuals who couldn't get a job otherwise. That's how stagnation begins and the rule of a priestly caste, like the Brahmins of ancient India and the Mandarins of ancient China, is established. We must know what they are doing, so we can stop them.

>>70364954
outside some few crazy shits like Chavez, there's not a single person in economics or any good institution in academia that thinks marxism is good.

outside some deranged classes by some commie professor, marxism is dead.

>>70365009
bro, you need to stop browsing pol and make questions in the other boards, like his and sci and lit.

pol will give you a cherrypicked view.
Marxism is dead in the intelectual rankings.

You usually see cherrypicked shit in crazy SJW universities, but even in america they're falling apart and it seems like they started to fight between each other.

Is an unsustainable movement.
They already failed to get trump elected.

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>>70364978
>capitalism won when the URSS collapsed.

Communism lost if you consider communism merely as an economic system, but as Mises demonstrated in the 1920s, and no one has been able to disprove him since them, the economical system proposed by communists is an impossibility, so you can't analyse communism as an historical phenomenom according to their economical program and ideas.

Communism is a political ideology, as an historical phenomenom, it can easily be identified as the totalitarian control of every aspect of human society, be it cultural, economical, political and social, by the "Party" as an institution. That's what unites such distinct countries as Cuba, Hungary, Vietnam and the Soviet Union.

When you add to this the Gramscian understanding of the communist Party as the collective of the activist intelligentsia, and you realize that this activist intelligentsia is as powerful as ever since the USSR fell (they are even more powerful now, since the USSR was an embarassment to their moral authority), you can see that communism as a political system is not only alive, but increasingly powerful in the Western world.

>>70364160
It's the same here, police can't enter the campuses of public universities. It always has been like that. I studied anthropology at the most commie universities of the country (Nacional). We weren't indoctrinated by Marxists. There were several extreme left groups but most students didnt care/ pay attention to them.

>>70365169
I dunno bro, I already see the world is too diferent now from WWII.
we already now have global institutions and we have now to play by some rules.
there's now institutions about defence of human rights and freedom of speech and free press.

is a diferent world, it would be very hard now for a commie dictator to win a western nation without some repercution, is usually some forgotten shithole with few economic development where this happens.

commie dictatorships can only thrive in poor nations, but is being proven that after a level of development communism can't take a hold.

look at venezuela, is failling apart.
you can't become a socialist state now without fucking your economy if you god forbid think centralized economy is better.

>>70365169
>communism is impossible, so it won
...

>>70363270
>The Pacific Pumas
What a cool name for a bunch of failed and irrelevant states

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>>70365274
But they won't need a brutal dictatorship. If you look at Eastern Europe after WWII and read dissident literature (Milosz, Solzhenitsyn, Havel) you realize that most of the job of political repression was done by citizens themselves, in an internalized way.

This already happens in the Western world, where people are afraid to voice their opinions about certain matters because they fear social ostracism for going against "political correctness". And the trend is for more things to be added to the "things you can't discuss", It's not unlikely that in the future being pro-capitalist will be considered "racist" and no one in polite society will want to be considered "racist" for being against random expropriation of private property for political reasons, for example.

I'm not saying this because I am a crazy conspiracy theorist. I'm saying this because Marxists themselves have said that this is their strategy. Pic related.

>>70362327
>FARC is so widespread that it probably controls 50% of the country
Are you high?

>>70365460
SJW are already failing, good luck getting more conservative cultures like latinos, muslims and asians to become SJW centrals.

>>70362737
Based Kraków

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>>70365525
That's exactly what is happening in the United States and the rest of the Western world.

>>70364685
Yopu wish gringo, Mexico is the one Latin American country who has historically been able to defy you without consequences as in nationalizing our oil industry, not breaking relations with Cuba or never supporting your bs wars.

Our cold war deal was we stayed neutral, and were free to pursue pacifism as foreign policy, you minded your own business in anything that wasn't your direct interests, and even those were limited as in all corps operating in Mexico must do so through 51% Mexican affiliates and you can't own anything beach side.

l2history gringo.

>>70364669
Academic freedom, the idea that there should be no censorship or limitations in what is taught is an older concept related to freedom of speech and political neutrality in education, the Latin American autonomia concept was born as a way to guarantee that.

>>70365460
going to sleep but you need to remember europeans and americans had decades of marxist indoctrination.

they can't simply play the same cards here and they lack the decades of brainwashing here, meanwhile their ideology is falling into pieces, hell, trump was elected.

we don't have white people, so they can't brainwash us as easily.

>>70365593
but we're not western nor whites, so how can they play the privilege card?

the privilege of being brown and poor?

going to sleep, see ya.

>>70364495
Hate to agree with burgers but see:
>>70364685
The last time we came close to get a socialist youth movement was in the 60's, and the government literally put an entire generation of college students in the middle of a plaza, and then started to shoot at them from the rooftops of buildings around it.
And lets be honest, our "revolutionary" government stopped being revolutionary many years ago, what was once the far left is now the far right.

>>70365625
>going to sleep but you need to remember europeans and americans had decades of marxist indoctrination.

I believe Latin America is even further down the path because Marxist indoctrination here is older than in the Western world. It started in the 1930s, while in United States and Western Europe, it's more from the 1960s.

It's among even peasants and poor people, where do you think liberation theology came from? Ion Mihai Pacepa, a Romanian defector (not the best sources, I know), claimed that liberation theology was created by the KGB. It may be true, it may not, but it's undeniable that the Catholic Church in Latin America is filled with commies of the most retarded caliber.

>>70365776
sorry, but the current movements I see happening right now are the revival of right wings.

Trump, do you remember?

>>70365828
Trump does have a movement but he lacks institutional power, he couldn't even name him Cabinet without picking up people who opposed him.

Politics in a democracy is not only about elections, it's about having institutions, NGOs, think tanks. The left has it, the "cuckservative" right has it, ineffectual as they may be. Trump has the votes, but he lacks all of these.

He may use his time in the Presidency to create an institutional legacy for a populist, nationalist, right, then I will agree with you, but until now we only have an adventurer with electoral success.

>>70365904
>>70365828
We had municipal elections last year and socialist parties lost something like 60% of their seats, I wouldn't worry too much about them.

>>70365993
On the other hands we had a countrywide movement of student occupying schools, praised by the media and the cultural industry, showing the strenght of socialists in the educational system and in the intelligentsia.

I am verry worried.

>>70365672
Our actual far right is partido verde, our right to center party was the one who enacted universal healthcare, compared to Americans our right would be considered Bernie bros lefties.

68 was carried out by Echeverria (Diaz Ordaz was far too gone at that point and only getting fed bs by the CIA) a man who later on did literally enact the exact same platform Peje wants for our government, he wanted to be known as a global leader of the left and so was one of the strong supporters of the non aligned movement.

Seriously man, do some reading on that, say what you will about that era's PRI but they were not American puppets, our economies gad barely any interaction back then as we were doing strict import substitution, exactly whatr Trump pretend to do now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Import_substitution_industrialization

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>>70366083
I don't know what media you are watching but the major networks were mostly neutral or negative with constant news of how those lazy fucks were vandalizing the schools and stuff.

They may be loud but they are still a minority, just look at the complete 180 did São Paulo did going from a PT mayor to a miniTrump.

>>70365828
Trump just begun and half of America and pretty much 70% of the west despises him. You really have no idea how the most capitalist nation which absolutely repulsed communism and fough the cold, Korean and Vietnam wars turned into a socialist acceptance youth society.

You really seem to underestimate how retarded people really are. Even with all the corruption scandals people in Argentina still want the Ks back, even with all the corruption scandals there are people who want Lula back.

Latin America is a perfect soil for communist to flourish because of how unequal it is for the low class citizen. People associate crony capitalism with capitalism therefore evil. While the gibs are """"free""""" and good so socialism governments will be voted by the people.>>70365904

>>70366173
So why 68 happened then?
If the government was so okay with the left and had no fear of Americans getting up set at us why did they killed all those left-leaning students?

Colombia? More like "Congolombia" haha pls like

>>70362193
Shh don't tell them! Most of the people trash talking us here have never actually been here. For starters, we have the best and most modern airport in Latin America ( El Dorado airport is actually 46th best airport worldwide) and the 3rd busiest one behind São Paulo- guarulhos and Mexico City airports. We're simply too integrated in the global economy for other countries in the region to compete, also our geographical location is a huge advantage compared to other cunts in the region. We have all kinds of climates from hot and humid in the coast to comfy and temperate in high altitude cities. For example, our capital is actually colder on average than most large cities in the southern cone that's why there are a lot of multinationals headquartered in this country, because people living in temperate Andean cities don't have the time to be lazy and are rather entrepeneurial and hard working. 2 of our universities (national and Andes) are in the top 10 best universities of Latin America. As most colombian posters above have stated, our economic system is pretty competitive and free in comparison to most countries on this continent which consistently proof that isolationism and protectionist policies fail. Most people here are right wing and don't want anything to do with the left. FARC demobilized so there's a lot of investments coming our way in the near future. We received almost 5 million international tourists last year and that figure will keep growing as we have been featured among the top 5 countries to visit in 2017 by both Forbes and Lonely planet. I could keep going on and on...

>>70366503
For the same reason Diaz killed Madero despite his posing no ideological threat. to remain in power. The student movement started as means to support earlier obrero and campesino movements whose grievances mostly arised from nepotism and corruption allowing their exploitation at the hands of businessmen and latifundistas, this was the time of local PRI caciques managing their spheres of power as virtual fiefdoms. Also as I mentioned, the CIA was poisoning Diaz Ordaz with reports about undue Soviet influence (mostly lies) which made Ordaz fear an international uprising (students were also killed in France earlier in May and protests against the war were at full motion in American college campus) so they acted brutally. The students had bypassed the approved leadership for their sector (back then all unions had to be part of PRI) and were looking to embarrass the government during the olympics.

PRI was a murderous regime based on a pan o palo (this was before plata or plomo) system in which number one rule was however obedience and submision to the president who was an unquestioned dictator during his term as a matter of party discipline. PRI was also, and remains, a part of the internacional socialista. It wasn[t ideological in that sense, while some students were radicalized most of the claims they were comunists were government propaganda, it was about plain old democracy, social justice and worker's rights, and about the government not being able to accept challenges or open criticism. They made an example out of the students, a lot of the reason we know much of what happened is the government did want to send a message to fringe groups.

And it wasn't over then, the government then waged a secret war (la guerra sucia) during the 70's, they were succesful enough they drove any form of resistance deep underground during the 1980's although there were enough survivors they became the seed for the movements in the 1990's, most notably EZLN.