Is Russia really that bad? Would I live like a king on an average

>>70242531
bump

>>70242531
how big is the salary? but i think you would whatever you say

>>70242531
how big is the salary?

>>70242531
>Is Russia really that bad?
yes
>Would I live like a king on an average american engineers salary?
if it's more than $10k/year then yes

>>70243432
>if it's more than 10k/year
haha enjoy your omsk shitty life

>>70242531

No.

Everything is more expensive than in US. You would be king among the poor but your living standard would be lower than in US.

80k/year

would i do well?

>>70242531
depend where (moscou is expensive) but with more than 1000$ per month, you can live like a king. But why you want live there ?

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>$433 per month

hmmm..

>>70243778
Only if you can work remotely.

Russia is like America if all the white people were from West Virginia and all the minorities were Muslim.

>>70243783
>moscou is expensive

All the big cities are. With $1000/month you could live like a king only in a village.

>>70243432
Rouble might have gone down, but keep in mind that Russia has thing for offering eastern quality for western prices to feed all the middle men between consumer and producer.

>>70243917
if i give a russian 1500 rubles, would that mean alot?

because 1500 rubles is pissing money for me

>>70244000
1500roubles is far from a lot
even 15000 isn't

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Let us not bully miserable poor poor Russia.

>>70244000
It's like someone on the street would give you 20$

>>70244000
>>70244064
well there are places where 15000 is a normal salary

>>70244000
>1500

Personally to me even 15 rubles is a lot of money.

>>70243432
> if it's more than $10k/year
I paid much more for rent alone when were living on my own.

>>70243783
> 1000$ per month, you can live like a king
No you can't. Russian wages are shit but prices for everything are fucking high.

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>>70244129

This.
I used to live in a small settlement where most of people had to work for the minimum wage.

>>70242531
No, Russia isn't that bad. No country is as bad "as they say", even north korea

Visit Ekateringurg or Kazan or Vladivostok or Sochi as a tourist, better yet visit them all

visiting right now ischeap, because of weak ruble. if you like it, come back again to live

I mean, if Moscow or even SPb is too expensive

>>70244000
I spent 10000 rubles on groceries yesterday. Haven't even bought anything fancy apart from some sturgeon. And no alcohol.
1500 rubles can buy you some beer idk.

>>70244000
No, 1500 is 3 meals in Mc'Donalds.

>>70244199
why dont you ruskie bros move?

tradesmen here get 1500 (67500 rub) a week (after 4 years experience) just from moving bricks

>>70244186
that's a meme bro

price for consimer electronics is hight because weak ruble and long disances, and select diary products i think can be cheaper in countries like the US that produce lots of that stuff

nothing else "expensive" comes to mind

>>70244201
>Visit Ekateringurg or Kazan or Vladivostok as a tourist
>Ekateringurg

Stop fucking forcing this miserable, crime-, drug- and AIDS-ridden uralian shithole here. No one in his right mind would like to visit it.

>>70243917
>>70244186
maybe not in moscou or big cities but in average cities you live pretty well with 1000$.
but i have to say i don't know how you guys are living with such shit salary, at ytour place i'll tried to move out TbH

>>70244274
If you are not extremely well qualified specialist it is pretty much impossible to move legally.

>>70244274
well you need to live somewhere and eat something for four years
on australian prices

and it's jst faraway places, it's not like we here ITT live that bad, I think. I wouldn't move to a faraway country, though I might downshift for a few months to a small country like Czechia or Thailand

>>70244305
> live pretty well with 1000$.
You can buy basic cheap food and clothes from walmart/second hand. But no even gadgets for you let alone buying own flat or car unless you starve.
> with such shit salary
The catch is not to have shit salary.

Why don't you guys emigrate to Poland or something?
Even a Polish plumber would earn as much money as a Russian surgeon.

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>>70244274
>minimum wage

How could those people move anywhere if they live in a literal village situated in the middle of nowhere and work for 10-12k rubles/month which is barely enough to not to die from hunger?

>>70244352
what sort of "gadget" can't you buy with 60000 rub monthly salary? stop talking out of your ass

>>70244357
I were in hospital and all doctors drive there porshes, mercedes, audi, etc. Guess why.

>>70244284
>nothing else "expensive" comes to mind

Cars, for example.

>>70244357
Poles. Even they run from the place. Who would choose fucking Poland except Muscowite IT fag downshifing?

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>>70244387
Anything apart from some chink phone.

>>70244402
Jap cars are on average lke 1,5 cheaper than in the US, about twice cheaper compared to Europe

anything else?

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>>70244414
> Muscowite IT fag downshifing?
Why would he do that IT wages in Moscow are better than in Poland and you can work in companies with own projects instead of some outsource shit slavery.

>>70244305
>How do you live with lower wages.
Let's assume you have 25000 roubles per month wage aka 400$.
You spend 10$ per month for internet, if you don't visit cafés, fast food and only cook simple food with buying chocolate and stuff from time to time you will spend like 10000 roubles aka 180$ for food. Something like 5000 roubles aka 65$ for transportation. So rest 145$ you spend on clothes, new phones (they collect for a year or something). I didn't include rent because people with such wages either live with parents or have their own apartnents of their dead grandma or simply live with someone else sharing 20000-30000 roubles rent with them.

Hey westerners ITT, do you buy "gadgets" like this MacBook Pro (>>70244424) from "spending"money" out of your paychek and pay cash?
because that's what some faggots here think you do

>>70244526
If you need credit to buy fucking laptop or iphone it's poverty-tier.

>>70244469
Yeah "downshifing" means lower salaries, of course those places are nowhere near Moscow

Well I know of a few companies that downshift to poor places like Poland or Czech republic altogether with all their staff because offices are cheaper.

>>70244352
the youtuber philko live with about 1000$ hemakes on youtube. he live in novisibirsk and has never work. Did you see his appartement ? he says that everything is cheap there, the food clothes, rent, electricity, gaz etc

Again you should fucking move out, where i leave here, tons of chechens are coming and they are all on welfare, they get 500€ doing nothing and it's even more when you'r married and have kids. Imagine if your are working.

>>70244526
i never once had to borrow money from the bank,

i just save up

>>70244357
People from regions with low wages simply can not move. Polish law won't allow them. For educated people from capitals moving to Poland would mean lowering their wage or increasing it by 10-20% at max but for that they would have to learn a useless language and it would be no harder to move directly to Germany ot Canada.

>>70244589
>If you need credit to buy fucking laptop or iphone it's poverty-tier.

Please Americans of 4chan, when was the last time you've baught something worth over $500 dollars with cash?
We really need to educate a Russian libtard here

>>70244606
>Novosibirsk
ofcourse everything is cheap but life is miserable

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>>70244305
>in average cities you live pretty well with 1000$

You can't live well in small russian towns, no matter how much money you earn, because there is no life there, only endless suffering.
I'd rather make $1000/month living in Moscow, Petersburg, Ebk or Novosib than in some total shithole like Pskov, Bratsk or Syktyvkar with $10000/month.

>>70244526
Pro-tip if you have decent wage you don't live from wage to wage and spend everything. So you have savings and can buy thing.
>>70244655
Americans buy even potato with credits cards and you know it. But it's just cultural thing. They don't buy with credit card something they can't afford(repay with paycheck) except car, house and shit like that.

>>70244606
>Go to airport, buy ticket to France (if you have saved half of your month salary for that), get to departure zone: "Sir, but you don't have visa". Get back to visa centre. Pay 100$ for touristic visa, afte 90 days in France get deported, your visa is burnt and you are not allowed to visit shengen countries anymore.
Thank you. Nice plan.

>>70244607
and you're proud of it
because in Western countries, it's acheivement.

taht's what a developed economy is - cheap credit and credit cards. half of the Russians ITT probably don't even have a credit card.

That's changing quickly here though

>>70244713
I don't need credit card. I just save up if I need to buy something expensive.

>>70244713
your country is still recovering from communism

soon you will buy those gadgets with disposable income

>>70244655
> libtard
Difference that I don't live on fucking $1000 myself. I work in IT. And I can afford things.

>>70244660
>ofcourse everything is cheap but life is miserable
not he girls lol

i don't understand those east european who self pity that hard, look at arab and nigger, they just come here and make a better life, why don't you do the same ? what's stoping you ?

>>70244655
i buy a canda goose jacket for 850€, such is life in europe

>>70244740
>recovering from communism

It's rather decaying. Recovering implies improvements and I don't see any. Everything is getting only worse.

>soon you will buy those gadgets with disposable income

Stop mocking us, please.

>>70244696
I don't think buying a macbook pro out of two salaries instead of one is a very rare thing in the west.

And yeah americans buy food on credit, and yes verizon-locked iphones too.

The "huge difference" is in your head.

and fun fac, though iStuff is overpriced in many Euro countries, when ruble dropped, in Russia it was actually cheapest for about half a year.

>>70244505
>partnents of their dead grandma

Jesus, that's how I got mine.

>>70244711
well you have to adopt certain mentality to stay here, one tips for you : if you'r wife give birth on the french territory, they won't deport you unless you do stupid shit (being arrest, etc) after certain years you can ask for citizenship, FUCKING NIGGER FROM AFRICA KNOW THIS ! JUST BE A NIGGER

>>70244773
Why are you so fucking retarded? Unlike niggers we will be deported after staying 90 days in your country because Russia is not considered a "not safe country", after that you won't get any visa at all and will be stuck here forever. The only chance is getting married or finding a job. To find someone who will hire a foreigner you need to be a reeeeeaaaaaaly nice specialist with huge experience and awesome skills. And nobody would drop what they have here like real estate, some wage and possibility to travel to the same France once a year to live on wellfare in french getto together with blacks and arabs if moving illigely and avoiding being deported.

>>70244869
I live better than french nigger. Most of people who speaks foreign language and even think of moving to the west live better than french welfare niggers.

>>70244821
cant you just jump ships into poland? or finland?

>>70244869
bro, that's BS
i have two friends with PhD (neurobioloist and physicist) who couldn't prolong their visa and had to return to Russia with their newborn

yeah you have to be an uneducated african or an arab for that to work

>>70244844
I'm was not even talking anything about westerners or americans. It's you who brought it.
I was arguing that living on $1000 is not "living like a king" not even decent line. I used to spent that just on rent to live in okaish place not in ghetto. And I spend more on food alone because I want steak sometimes or have a lunch in cafe.
And westerners have different living standards too. My friend finished CMU and got job at facebook and his start wage is 150k/year.

>>70244932
Get deported or live worse than you did in Russia.

>>70244773
>why don't you do the same

Nobody would let us to do that. We don't have a civil war or any shit like the arab- and niggerlands do here in Russia. And legal immigration to the West for 99.9% of Russians is impossible.

>>70244932

No, I can't. But even if I could I would be instantly deported.

>>70244940
argument started here >>70244352

you were arguing like it was normal to buy a fucking macbook pro from disposable income (no it isn't, anywhere in the world, for most of the population)

you were implying that you can't have live well on a $1000 when you can, anywhere east of MKAD

you're living in Moscow and that's your problem. you (and westerners ITT) should visit say:
http://vladivostok.travel/en/

>>70244469
>Why would he do that IT wages in Moscow are better than in Poland and you can work in companies with own projects instead of some outsource shit slavery.
You are kinda wrong.
t. work in one of the companies from the pic

>>70244940
>live in okaish place not in ghetto. And I spend more on food alone because I want steak sometimes or have a lunch in cafe.
Stop projecting your upper middle class standards. You can live a decent life with $1000 wage.

>>70245058
i keep hearing that name, vladivostok.. what is it about?

>>70245058
> from disposable income
You can save to buy it but with $1000 wage you can't save anything you would live from wage to wage because you need to buy clothes, food and other shit. And if you have to pay rent that's fucking hell.
Decent life is when you able to pay mortgage(and possible car credit) and still buy decent food and clothes and some other stuff.
Everything else is poverty and survive not "living like a king with your babushka".

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>>70245126
Japan x Russia

>>70245097
i think a junior dev in ABBYY makes about a $1000 in Moscow, and that's probably smaller than in Poland and Czechia, but my impression was that Mid salariies are compareable, and seniors make way more than in EE countries

>>70242531
Is this an empty place or does it just look like it to us?

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>>70245126
It's a shithole m7. There is nothing to do for a westerner. Nothing to see apart from commieblocks. No tourist attractions like palaces or museums like in European Russia.
Maybe fuck cheap whores. But it's dirty depressive commieblock shithole.

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Average wage in my city (120 thousand inhabitants) is 666$ for a month. If you are educated engineer or a good lawyers it can reach 1500$, if you are NEET mentality bydlo who only finished school and can't do business you will have like 300-400$ wage. With such average wage most families own a car (something like hynday solaris) 2-3 room appartments (40-100 sq.m) (my screen has a nice representation of the most real estate that is represented in my city-Stalin era house to the left, average commieblock to the centre and brand new capitalistic blocks to the right with some infrustructure), they have 1 trip per year to the sea shore (to some russian resorts or something like Spain or Greece) for 1-2 weeks, visit cinema once a month and so on. Not many people are ready to risk all that and throw themselves in arab ghettos of Paris to get the same nominal amount of money.

>>70245135
>with $1000 wage you can't save anything
Wrong. You can't save anything with $250 wage, $1000 is a huge amount of money, that's literally my wage for half a year.

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>>70245100
>You can live a decent life with $1000 wage.

You guys have a different understanding of what does a decent life mean. After living for many years in extreme poverty without being able to eat more than twice a day even $500/month seemed to be decent money to me.

>>70245126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHoSiUzTB78

>>70245135
> You can save to buy it but with $1000 wage you can't save anything you would live from wage to wage because you need to buy clothes, food and other shit.
rent - $250, food (cook at home, for two) - $200
the rest is for clubbing, travel abroad or electronics. That all, is if your gf/wife doesn't work at all.

any of the cities around 1mil big in Russia. you can save on a makbook, if you want, but you gotta be an iFag.

>>70245200

It is an abandoned town.

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>>70245203
Some people who know how to work prefer living in their own houses but this is not very popular because you will face a lot of problems with infrustructure. The internet will be more expensive for you, city sewerage is not always available so many people use septic tanks etc.

>>70245217
it's not "guys" it's just some single fag, it seems

>>70244877
>>70244938
>>70244978
the system is harshless with white, also black and nigger have their community AND tons of associations and ong who help tthem wit ht he paper workd and finding a job

>Unlike niggers we will be deported after staying 90 days in your country because Russia is not considered a "not safe country

algeria, marocco, mali, senegal are consider safe country and yet we millions of them, like i said if you want to come and stay here you have to adopt a certain mentality that you obviously has not . Maybe it's better, i don't know i was trying to help but looks like you guys are not interesting.

Novosibirsk looks nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7UDuGE1U1Y&t=14s

And Kalningrad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnwNOtG06Dg&t=16s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me8fZdg8JVU

>>70245126
it's just a city. pretty average for russia except for the pacific shore
yeah it's got commieblocks, but some places to visit too. like a miniture russia

>>70242531
at least Russia is too cold for me. being a Russian look as terrible as being a ugly Japanese working long and living in Japan

>>70245317
I have friend who lives in huge private house in domodedovo and she has everything infrastructure-wise.

>>70245321
As I wrote it twice to you-most people who even think about moving even illigaly realize that even if they manage to legalize their status and get welfare they will live in the hoods with blacks and niggers and will get the same money they had but in more expensive country. I was in Paris I saw what black districts look like-no thanks, If I can't move by job offer to live like an average citizen I would prefer to stay here and live like lower middle class in France with some issues with infrustructure than downshifting to french low class.

>>70242531
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElVGnFUcjgc

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>>70245290
>clubbing

people still do that?

>>70245361
and they are
they won't be as developed as European cities, but they're nice enough to visit or to live.

Russia's biggest problem is that all of these cities are very alike. So if visiting, it's probably worth to visit places like Kazan, Sochi, maybe something in Far East like Vladivostok, and SpB and Moscow.Unless you are especially interested in Russia all the rest 20 big cities will look the same.

>>70245178
>seniors make way more than in EE countries
How did you know that? With current exchange rates, it is more profitable to work remotely for western companies. A senior here can earn about 120-200k ruble. It's only about 2-3k euro.

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>>70245373
In some neighbourhoods it is. But sometimes you won't have paved road and will have to use septic tank instead of sewery. Also internet will be if not worse but more more expensive that's for sure.

>>70245419
well yeah not so much as they used to in 00s

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>>70245454
> nice enough to visit
Fucking hell what is nice to visit in Novosibirsk? What to do there for tourist? Observe commieblocks?

>>70245399
ok i get it, i should'nt talk about this topic but you guys are always complaining about how shit and terrible is life in russia, and you sound so depressed i try to apport a solution, a shitty one, forget what i said

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>>70245541
> always complaining about how shit and terrible is life in russia
Because they are unemployed ugly weebs living with angry mom without gf without even hobbies apart from bitching on internet.
It doesn't mean you can't have decent life in Russia. Or can't have well paid job.

>>70245540
They still look nice.

Russia is a 2nd world country to be fair.

Someone is driving expensive car? HE IS RICH XD No matter that person is living in shitty flat and have to save money even on food. Russian logic.

I know someone who employs over 200 workers and make probably >100k euro/month and that guy is living in small house and having old Passat.

If Russians hate russian living standards why not come to Poland? 4-5 years and you can go to Germany

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>>70245541
Grey commiblocks and corrupted infrustructure just provide estetic hell in some places from some poins of view, this is multiplied by shitty climate and yes sometimes you want to kill yourself. But in average you have sunny days with grenery all around, you have malls where you go, watch cinema, buy some videa in steam (or rutracker it), watch a sunset in window, go to pizzeria the next day, spend a weekend with your bros by eating shashliki in the forest, ride bike etc. It's not Niggeria (except hellholes like Norilsk ofc).

>>70245617
Almost every city in Europe looks nice. But you wouldn't visit all of them, would you? Also that pic maybe looks ok, but there are many parts that look shitty.

>>70245617
That's like saying detroit is nice. It's just boring industrial cities.
There are a lot to see in Moscow, Peterburg and some other places. Rest is not worth visiting at all. Even those tourist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Ring towns are not worth visiting. They are all the same and they having several churches and kremlin as tourist attractions and nothing else.

>>70245654
Read the fucking thread ffs.

>>70244087
Not so poor m8. It's comfy country with rich history and can fight with any enemy to the win end.

>>70245654
Poland is very anti-Russian. Wouldn't Russians gets beaten up there?

>>70245654
Usually, people who can move to Poland also can move to Germany or USA.

>>70243432
> if it's more than $10k/year then yes
30k

>>70245654
Why not move directly to Germany or somewhere?
Poland is for hohols because it's close and easy for them to learn the language.

>>70245680
that sound nice, don't forget the girls

>tfw no illegal russian gf on welfare

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>>70245823
> girls
Most are bydlo materialist whores. Most disgusting creatures in the world.

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>>70245680
Norilsk is its own entertainment
That's actually a cool place to visit, I'd say. Like that city in India where they burn the dead - it's so bad that very badness becomes an attraction

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>>70245361
>Novosibirsk looks nice

The center of Novosibirsk in summer looks nice, you mean? The rest of the city is nothing but a gray and boring place with ugly buildings and bad roads.

t. person who was born and lives there

>>70245786
nah they're pussies
poland's big problem is it's poland. a stopgap country,if you're moving, you should move to a country that's actually a country

>>70245844
desu girls are the same everywhere

>>70245864
Center is the worst part of Novosibirsk.
t. Academ

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>>70245903
I doubt average french girl injects krokodil, have aids and were drinking and smoking since 10 years old.

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>>70245419

The leafs still do as far as I know.

>>70242531
Wouldn't you be living on an average Russian engineer's salary if you moved there?

>>70245930
"academic" town where it's normal to get beaten and robbed by drunk gopniks.
ghetto for academics desu.

>>70245958
Is that Angeline Jolie?

>>70245993
yes

>>70244867
2spooky4me

did you at least remove all mirrors and put drawers under your bed?

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>>70245930
>t. Academ
>5 commieblocks built in the middle of a fucking forest
>better than the Central and Railroad districts

>>70245886

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTP00MAVF8Y

every single polish-russian fight is ending like that, pussies

>>70246060
>better than the Central
Better than a district with one tree for every 100k inhabitants? For sure.
>and Railroad districts
Even a faggot worm is better than the Railroad district.

>>70246168
> faggot worm
i spilled my oblypikha kompot all over the keyboard you fucker

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>>70246115
Do you notice anything special on its right wing?

>>70246250
it's his left thing bro

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>>70246115
Actually like this

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>>70246168
>Even a faggot worm is better than the Railroad district.

Your Akadem is a shitty ghetto populated by bydlos who're pretending to be an intellectual elite and you're a faggot.

>>70246270
It depends on point of view

wWy are people always so blissfully retarded when it comes to wages and the existance of living costs?

Yes, Russian and Eastern European wages are low, but so are the living costs
it works the other way around as well, move to Switzerland and watch your money fucking evaporate

>>70246301

So basically everything does.

>>70246274

1610 and 1920 is protip

>>70246308
But some Germany is fucking cheap. Groceries are cheap as fuck, rent in most towns is cheaper then some Moscow. But wages are several times higher.

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>>70246277
Stay mad.

>>70246380
>1612
You lost
>1920
Ok, commies lost to imperial general Pilsudki.

Russians can't come move to Europe because their work qualifications are trash lol, my high school had a Russian janitor. He was a teacher in Russia, but he wasn't even university educated, so he couldn't be a teacher here and became a janitor.
>>70244655
I recently went to Saturn (electronics store) and saw a man pay 1370€ in cash for something. He paid in all 10€ bills, so it took fucking forever.

>>70246618
He couldn't be a teacher here too. He either was a "teacher" or he didn't translate his diploma so it couldn't be recognised in EU.

>>70246618
I have friends who moved to Germany and work in IT without problems with our degrees.

>>70246115
please take Moscow back

>>70246250
fuck off ahmed

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>>70246618
>teacher in Russia
>not university educated
nice story, nazi

>>70246618

You can't be a teacher without at least a bachelor's degree.

>>70246967
Maybe there can be some teacher without education? Like phizruk?

Reading this thread Russians seem like pretty cool guys. Why don't you get along with Europe more? Why must we have these divisions?

>>70247028
they still have to graduate and get a diploma, so no
could be trudovik tho

>>70247109
I'm a bit russophobic myself but all of this is mainly yurop's own fault :^)

>>70247123
In theory yes. But in some village or small town where they can't find educated phizruk they can maybe hire anyone?

>>70247109
What do you mean? On some political level?
I get along with europeans and everyone pretty well.

>>70247109
They should get along, Ethnic Russians are Europeans themselves. Hopefully Trump will fix the relationship between NATO and Russia.

>>70244233
Wtf are you buying and where do you live? I spent 7000 rubles on grocieries and alcohol in Saint Petersburg and that shit lasted for a week.

>>70247232
>Trump will fix the relationship between NATO and Russia
haha

>>70244655
Other than cars and houses, nobody buys anything without having enough cash on hand in America.

>>70247157
I think in small villages they have very few teachers for the entire school who have to teach all the subjects. doubt they even hire fizruks and alike
either the germ is or his teacher was bullshitting

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>>70247272
Food. In auchan. Mushrooms, meat, fruits, stuff to make soup, fish, etc, etc. 4 huge(like really huge I barely could carry them from car to flat) bags. It could last for a week but I know I would still to buy this and that in local shop during week.

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>>70247232
> Ethnic Russians

""""""russians""""""""" are finns which speak Russian

true russians only in the western areas, but they are poles as for me and should learn Polish

I really hope that Poland will rule here

you just don't understand why

they are stronger than russians and always were

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>>70247272
For 10k you can get only cheap low-quality food. There are special groceries for people with low income here, like Lidl in Europe. And no alcohol/goodies/junkfood.

>>70244159
>>70245802
>>70243471

15k usd =890285 rub
890285/12 = 74190rub/m

>>70247307
Like I said. If you buy something worth more than your monthly fucking wage(apart from things like car and house and other major thigns) it's out of your budget you just can't afford it.
And if you can't afford laptop from your paycheck it's fucking poverty. Or at least if you can't save enough money without cutting on other needs in short timespan.

>>70247337
>>70247369
Diksi and okei are the shit tho

>>70245862
Hahaha, I can see the house I lived in before 2009

>>70247391
I paid 30k for rent when ruble/usd was ~28. I earned 80k back then.
Now I earn 120 after taxes which suck ofc with such exchange rate. Some my friends earn 200k or more but they are skilled. I know people who have business and they have whole different income ofc.

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>>70247479
I'm not sure what you meant by "the shit", because okei is pretty good and diksi is meh-tier.

So you can live for your salary in Belarus and be not like a king, but like someone with a lot of money. Main difference would be about people. There noone cares about what you wear and what length of your hair, noone will h8 you just for your nationality.

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>>70247479
globus and billa are okay middle-class supermarket. 7th continent kinda too but they different grades of supermarkets with different quality. Viktoria too afaik.

>>70247369
>пятёpoчкa

Poor bydlo tier.

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>>70247525
Here is house I lived in 2009(in front)
>>70247561
I actually considering moving to minsk. I have friend in wargaming and I could get a job there wage is great considering expenses. They even help you to move.

>>70247531
Moscow?

>>70247605
> my supermarket is my status symbol
you should order an Auchan engraving on your swiss watch lel

>>70247605
Yes, I wrote it in my post. Did you read it?
> There are special groceries for people with low income here

>>70247584
>miratorg

Overpriced as fuck.

>>70247675
Steak from uruguay or argentina costs even more. and there no other on the market now. well primebeef from voronezh.
>>70247652
yes

>>70247479
Okey is more expensive and better than Auchan tho.
Diksi is shit-tier overpriced stores cause usually located near the city center.

t. spending 700 rubles on food everyday, could be much less if I was't so much obsessed with energy drinks.

>>70247647
Would like to see you there.

I've never met anybody who earns more than 20000 rubles.

>>70247695
>and there no other on the market now
Actually, I've seen some who sell NZ and Argentinean marble beef, don't remember the name, though. Shame I can't cook it properly and have to go to a steak house or a bar to eat it.

>>70245419
They do here, a lot

>>70247704
Stop drink it until it fucks up your health. It's not worth it.

>>70247744
Tnx. I like Belarusians all I've met were very calm polite and nice people. I have some relatives in Minsk too but I've never met them and they are kinda distant. One my relative is vice-minister there lol.

>>70242531
Oh boy, it's American thread about Russia #10219383

>>70247814
this. I was drinking several redbull's everyday in my youth and now I have fucking gastritis. If I just sip it I have pain in stomach. I fucking regret it. People told me I shouldn't drink that shit but I didn't listen.

>>70247757

This.
Everyone I know irl earns 10-15k rubles/month or even less.

>>70247757
>>70247898
Where do you live?

>>70247757
My mom makes 97, dad 110, uncle 120, another uncle 100, my fellow school history teacher 40, my grandpa's pension is 27, all our minor teachers in uni make at least 40, managers of subdivisions of department make something beyond 100 and 4 founders of department share its profits. Director of my uni makes 1 mln in a month.

>>70247898
Why would you work for 15k rubles. You can get into mental hospital(it's easy) and get disability and get 16k welfare. You can't get driver license or gun license and have to lay for 2 weeks in mental hospital every year. But you can just read books there and eat funny pills.

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>>70247704
Tfw i spend like 1500 every day on food
i can't stop buying fancy shit

>>70247757
Where the fuck do you live in, Magadan?

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>>70247963
I have duck with quince today on lunch

>>70247947
Oh wow, didn't know you were browsing /int/, mr Rockefeller.

>>70247998
No, I just don't live in Tver I guess. I basically only know 3 persons who make less than 20k-2 of my grandmas and my fellow trudovik in school (he makes 15000 but it's fucking trudovik you know).

>>70247998
Perhaps his parents and relatives aren't as stupid and lazy as you are.

>>70247981
All those far east ctities are actually very well subsidised by the government. People earn around 100K there.

>>70248078
This. People have shitty wages in cities like Vladimir, Tula or Tver'.

>>70248065
this desu. If you live in such hellhole that you can't earn more than 20k you had to move long ago. If not abroad at least in decent city in Russia. If they don't have education or skills or energy at all well what you can do.

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>>70247704
at least you don't smoke.

>be me
>quit smoking to save money
>start to vape instead.
>spend on e-liquids more than on food.

>>70247998
>mr Rockefeller
I don't know mate, I earned 50k at my first work when I was a student. Grocery store's workers salaries start from something about 30k here.

>>70248158
I started vaping and then switch back to sigs. Vaping is just not so satisfying and I got blood pressure from it because I vaped too much.
Sigs are getting fucking expensive to REEEEEEE
t. smoke for 19 years 2 packs/day.

>>70247943
>>70247981
>>70248062
Chernozemie. Avg salary is 20000.
Car mechanic - 13000
Teacher - 16000
Janitor - 7000 - 11000
Cashier - 10000
Labourers (milling, turning, CNC) - 20000-23000
Bank workers - 30000

>>70247757

The minimum wage in Poland is 450$ and only 7-8% are making it. Funny thing is that a lot of Russians say that Russia is wealthier than Poland.

>>70248223
Just get out of there.

>>70248223
20k in your shithole is big money, tovarisch

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>>70248245
I live like netherlands

>>70248245
Because most of these russians are from Moscow. Moscow is wealthier though only contains half of polish population.

>>70248245
Russians say that Russia is the strongest and basically the best country in the world. The same goes for north koreans.

>>70247943

A 40k town in Altai.

>>70247950
>Why would you work for 15k rubles.

Because there are no better paid jobs here.

>You can get into mental hospital(it's easy) and get disability and get 16k welfare.

Muscovite, please. In different regions this "disability welfare" has a different size, here it is about 3k rubles/month, for example.

>>70247950
>Why would you work for 15k rubles
Because it's either 15k or nothing.

>>70248335
>>70248359
You speak English you could work as freelance translator at least. If you are too lazy to learn some IT skill.

>>70248292
>tyumen oblast
>norway

But Norway looks nice, and all places in Tyumen oblast look like some 3rd world ghetto which has survived a nuclear war.

>>70248253
Moving costs money. When you earn 20k there no way you could afford something other than basic every day stuff like food, rent and clothes. At the end of the month you're always with empty pockets which means you can't save up. Of all the people I know the only one who has some sort of savings is my grandma and it's simply because she doesn't know what to spend the money on so she just keeps it in the locker.

>>70248245
You are both shitholes. That's why millions of Poles flood Western Europe.

>>70248401
This. If you're smart and know English, you can learn some programming and work remotely for $. 1-2k/month is nothing for western countries, but it would be a good amount of money for you.

>>70248413
Sakhalin and Tyumen are exceptions here because they are resource-rich and tax for resources is pain in place where they are extracted. But people in Tyumen earn a lot. Those who work in oil industry at least. But prices are super high too.
Tyumen is not so bad town too.
I had rock musician friends and they always liked to have tours in those places because wages are high but little entertainment they always had full hall of people and they bought a lot of CDs, t-shirts and other crap nobody else usually buys.

>>70248401

I've tried, but my English skills are too poor for that, you need to be absolutely fluent to get this kind of job.

>>70248292

>2009

XD

>>70248335
>>70248436
>Altai
Well, Altai republic is officially the poorest and most underdeveloped region in Russia with Altai oblast not far away from its neighbour.
You should find a job somewhere else and someone who will be ready to host you for some time.

te

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>>70248500
>2016
omg such big difference. but we are under sanctions for 2 years in 2016 and you get all sweet investments.

>>70248292
>2009

Very relevant data you have there.

>>70248463
Nobody would hire a freelancer who "learnt some programming"

>>70248463
>This. If you're smart and know English, you can learn some programming
My school had Turbo Pascal classes. My uni had Delphi classes. Programming seems impossible to me since I've never learned anything in all those years. Apparently I'm not smart enough.
Also, nobody needs basic level translators anymore since automatic online translators been invented. Only the most fluent ones get paid nowadays.

>>70248463
>If you're smart

If I was smart, I wouldn't be here.

>>70248509
The thing is if you're not smart or skilled you'll end up living from a salary to a salary even in Moscow. Although your living standards may rise a little.

>>70248463
Not even programming. There are many jobs in IT. QA, testers, admins, etc. Fuck fuck around with linux for some month and read some articles and you are able to configure some nginx/apache shit and you can already work as junior support admin at some hosting helping dumb customers.

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Not related, but can you guys try to make a post on /a/?
I get the
>Posting from your ISP, IP range, or country has been blocked due to abuse

So I'm wondering wether it's a problem on my end or we got country ban

>>70248640
That's my point. Mc'Donald's employe in my city makes 30k in a full time job.

>>70248558
At first, you can work for experience or contribute to some open-source project.

>>70248648
If it was that easy.
>>70248704
Ктo-oт c этoгo aйпишникa (т.e. cyдя пo вceмy пoльзoвaтeль твoeгo пpoвaйдepa) зaнимaлcя тaм кaкoй-тo хyйнёй. Ддocил или мoжт ЦП пocтил.

>>70248640
I'm relatively smart and skilled and always lived from salary to salary in Moscow too. And I don't even have a car or own flat etc. Just with raise of wage your demands raise too and you get used to nicer things. Like you don't mind take taxi often or drink in a bar instead of staircase of commieblock(lol). Or buy better clothes instead of cheapest fake tracksuit in the market. etc

>>70248757
Nobody hire people even for free to give them experience. My biggest achieveming in IT is coding some microcontollers and makin a simple graphical app in .NET

>>70248757
But you really need some dedication and to have it you really need to love that stuff. And not everyone love that. If you force yourself you won't get far
t.been coding since 12 years old because it was more fun than videogames for me

>>70245654
It's actually not so easy to move here and the same with the US. It's easier to move to Poland and live there till you get a EU residence permit. I helped my gf to come here and it was hell.

>>70248772
Yeah but you can save from time to time anyway. Or you can strict yourself if needed. Some people spend all their month's wage for basic vital things. They can't spend less on it.

>>70248807
Of course. You can be a programmer only if you was born as a middle.
https://habrahabr.ru/post/319602/

>>70248895
> It's actually not so easy to move here
If you have higher education(or better ph.d etc) and speak German and USEFUL skills there are plenty of companies which would help you to move so it would be easy for you.
t.knower

>>70242531
Russia is so cold

>>70247232
>Trump will fix the relationship between NATO and Russia
kek. The US is the cause of all these issues.

>>70248829
>If you force yourself you won't get far
Well, you won't get far at a grocery store or McDonald's either.

>>70249010
I can't even install linux on my PC lel.

>>70249022
>If you have higher education(or better ph.d etc) and speak German and USEFUL skills
One person in 10 000 might have all of this.

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>>70249064
Well you are right. If you live in shit maybe you have to force yourself. I just always lived in good conditions and only did what I like and I liked programming since 12yo because I found a book about basic for 8-bit soviet computer. I had no computer so I coded on paper and then typed in school on their ПЭBM кopвeт. Teacher was happy I was the only one who left after classes to type my "snake" game in lol. Nobody else was interested in that shit.

>>70244357
>>70245654
Bизoвыe пpeгpaды - oднa из пpичин. He cтoит oнo тoгo, чтoбы oднy shithole cмeнить нa дpyгyю, в кoтopoй тeбя бyдyт вce нeнaвидeть.

>>70249022
Yes, but you need a German A1 certificate + a job offer from here. And then you somehow have to manage that you get a working permit, to get the job, but you don't get a working permit without job. The system is pretty weird and really designed to keep people out. If you consider this easy, okay. But it's much easier in other countries.

I hate this desu, because lots of people who have good intensions to work here give up, while illegals stay here anyways. I married with my gf and even this didn't make it easier, sadly.

>>70249236
Don't you know that they don't know Russian and they can't event translate it since 4chan fucks up encoding. Try to copy and paste your post to google translate.

>>70249046
But Trump does want better relationship with Russia.

>>70249309
He is a populist cunt.

>>70249271
>But it's much easier in other countries.
I'm not sure. Which one has it easier?

>>70249393
Islamic State.

>>70249271
There are companies which would do all stupid paperwork for you. They just have connections and shit too because your country is kinda corrupt too. I mean that bueracracy it's always like that. If you are valuable specialist - it's not your problem.
Anyway I wouldn't want to work of live in Germany just because not fluent in your language and I always would be alien(like some hohol immigrants here I don't wont to feel like them). If I ever to move somewhere it would be immigrant country like USA or Canada.

>>70249299
Kurc te gleda, kurba

>>70249508
mater ti jebem

>>70249393
Pretty much all European states. Even if you want to marry, you need to know German, which is ridiculous. I thought about moving to Denmark, just to marry my gf there and get an EU residence permit, but we took the long way.

The EU tried to sue Germany for having these entrance barriers a while ago.

>>70249600
Jebeš ruse

>>70249759
But I think it's kinda good. Prevent people who just want money from coming there.

>>70242531
How big is the salary? If it's about $5k you will live like a king even in Moscow
I'm an IT engineer and my salary is $600 in the region - it's nothing, I think

>>70242531
Under Communism, the only one who can live like a king is the king.

>>70249870
Sorry, but what does an IT engineet do overall? Is it dependant on the direction which the individual takes personally? Asking because I'm doing it in uni but really don't know what to expect.

>>70250046
that sentence makes no sence on so maky levels
you really should come visit? it's cheap >>70246709

>>70249838
They have millions of sandniggers that just want money there, Russians would be a big step up
tfw used to be great at german and high school teachers thought I had potential and now I can barely understand entry tier shit

>>70250046
Also buy a LADA car.

>>70249838
Nah, it's actually the opposite what's happening. There is treaties with poor countries like Turkey, where they are allowed to come here to work, or even not work. And people who are willing to move here are frightened away.

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>Russia
>Mean wealth per adult
HAHAHAHAHA

>>70250082
I do automated tests and writing scripts, also our subject area is telecommunications so I should be aware of telecom innovations

I'm working as a QA engineer and planning to be a programmer

>>70250114
>>70250145
Yeah, but the only bad thing is that the system doesn't apply to everyone.

>>70247898
>Everyone I know irl earns 10-15k rubles/month or even less.
>>70248223
>Chernozemie. Avg salary is 20000.
>Car mechanic - 13000
>Teacher - 16000
>Janitor - 7000 - 11000
>Cashier - 10000
>Labourers (milling, turning, CNC) - 20000-23000
>Bank workers - 30000
bait?

>>70250298
No, Russian reality for some regions.

>>70250257
Comms are so complicated, well done for learning it. Sounds like the ride doesn't get any easier after graduation.

>>70250333
black earth sounds horrible

>>70247348
Lol go fuck your self real russian are greeks i am russian but Working here i beter be a greek then a filty polack

Be master race pagan russian
Get in loved in greek princes
Make all east slavs bevome greeks
Kill all pagans and say now You are greeks
Russian say ja greek
Have a greek name Aleksander dimitri vasili ilija michael andrei
Have a gf with greek name vasilisa regina or Viktoria dasa masa jekaterina
Be now a russian following Greek orthdox belive pray from god two time a day
Greek ikona of bogarodzica sin oce i svetogo ducha in Every home
One rull to hate turks and muslims and chatollics scums
Sing Greek chants in chrach just translete in Serbias russian and old slavic
Greek alfabet greek Cultur greek words song like a greek

Tepтый Pим кoгдa ?тyпaя pyccкaя cyкa ты нe пoляк и нe нeмeц ты гpeк зaпaд твoй вpaг был и бyдьть вceгдa и дaжe ceйчac

Now all russian be mad and say fuck You we are slav not greeks but in the end You all greeks your history is greek You helped your orthdox brothers just like greeks

Be a polack never halped no one only for himself and die by himself
Why chotollics are weak fags and Why orthdox are united but still we are following the west and not the east :(

Fuck You If You want to be a good for nothing polack

Greeks are master race and Soon You Will feel the anger of the gods thet You left fucking chotollics scums

>>70250228
Lol a cute chines hobbit :)

You are short and You Will never be tall not a single russian girl Will Even look at You
You have short tiny cute hands and litel tiny dick
Chines lags are like chiken legs
Lol in russia we beat You and skin You yelow chines man

You just talk to me and i Will put You in the grave yard with my on hands with all your litel chines women

I hoph now thet russia and tramp be friend they Will treat You like the Shit You are china

Lol but we was samurai we strong we Did harakirii

Fuck You china we Will never be friends

>>70242531
Russia is the worst country to live in the world. It's a place with no safety, laws or rules. Russian people prey on the weak and abuse each other. Russians are slaves with no future.

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>>70251327
real russian are greeks

>>70251960
Brazil is even worse than Russia.

>>70251960
Your makaka accent is hilarious tho

Russia> Brazil> India> China.

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>>70252061
SRIBC when

>>70252022
At least Brazil has nice weather, football and culture.