>Take European studies class as an elective >instructor

>>70079809
UK
No
Russia
Yes

Depends on context.

>>70079809
Most people here don't consider Russia or Turkey Europe. We just consider them.. not Europe.
The UK is considered Europe here.
And people tend to forget Scandinavians exist.

I think this may have been brexit related banter.

>>70079809
UK is the country we put all our special snowflakes in. Hardly Europe.

russia is technically european
but so is turkey

When we say "Europe", we typically refer to continental Europe and not the UK. I'd imagine it's a similar story in over there.

As for Russia, it's generally seen as large and different enough to be considered separate from Europe too.

>>70079878
>or Turkey Europe.

Byzantine Empire was Europe. Turkey is not. It's more cultural than anything. Turkey could have chosen the European path, but they've chosen the path of the middle east.

>>70079932

Western Russia where all the white people live is European. Most of the nation is Asia.

>>70079809
>European studies class

What even is that? History? Politics? Economics?

Russia is European. They just pretend they are not

We think of Britain as european, but some of the brits are deluded and think otherwise.
Only the most euphoric EUlers serioulsy think of turkey as european, so just a minority.
Opinion is split about russia. Technically their western part is in the fold, culturally they have become very different and see themselves not as westeners.

>>70079950
Thread

>>70079932
Only the little speck around istanbul.
Geograpically its called "asia minor/little asia" since roman times.

>>70079952
I'm not sure how Turkey is less European than Albania.

>>70079809
>Soviet Union is doesn't exist anymore
>Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia somehow still do

How can maps this bad even happen?

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we are no yurop
uk is

>>70080041
It also doesn't show Kaliningrad (konigsberg)

>>70079809

Russia is not a european country

UK, yes, lots of relevant shit between both countries that eventually show up somewhere.

>>70079968
lies

>>70079809
>storm on the Channel, the continent is isolated

UK doesn't consider itself European, it's just UK. As all insular people, their main activity is trying to find out how different they are from the rest, just like Japanese do.

>>70080041
Your independence is illusion

>>70079950
I should add that we don't deny that we're European (since we officially are). It's just that, in general conversation, we use Europe to talk about the mainland countries collectively. The UK and Ireland are considered separate (and I guess Iceland too, not that anyone really talks about Iceland here very often).

>>70079981
>Only the most euphoric EUlers serioulsy think of turkey as european, so just a minority.

Alternate reality where Europe came to Byzantine's aid and fought off the turks = Byzantine in the EU right now.

>>70080021
Anatolia was european longer than germany has been. Much less russia.

And I was talking about the people, not geography.

>>70080038
100% of Albania lies in Europe.
3% of Turkey lies in Europe.
Turks are shitskins
Albanians are white

>>70079809
history educators just have enormous biases when it comes to teaching European history, the most prominent of which being the retarded tendency to think of Eastern Europe as being "less European" than Western Europe. It leads to a lot of the retardation you see on this board, most noticeably the retarded "is Russia European" arguments.

Far more emphasis needs to be put on countries like Russia, Austria-Hungary, the PLC, and the Byzantine Empire in education to remedy this for future generations. Unfortunately, making history education for Europeans and people of European descent less "Eurocentric" is apparently of greater importance, rather than fixing people's blatant and insufferable ignorance about two-thirds of their home continent.

I realize this probably a bait thread but I felt like making a serious post anyway.

t. /his/

>>70080200
For us the UK is about the same distance as France. It's inconceivable that the UK isn't considered Europe.

>>70080221
Russia, A-H, PLC and Byzantine were never seen as "European" per se.

>le russia is europe meme
STOP FUCKING THIS

>>70080270
(You)

>>70080270
Lol you retard

>>70080310
this
fuck off from us, we don't belong there

>>70080038
Geographical position? Culture?

>>70080341
>>70080311
Africa begins at the kiel kanal - old european proverb

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>>70079809
Wtf even is that map???
>UK split into Scotland,Wales,England and N Ireland
>Yugoslavia
>Czechoslovakia
>No Kaliningrad Oblast
>Turkey

>>70080374
>kiel kanal
Never heard of it. It's probably not even on the map, just like everything north of it.

Uk and russia are not europe

>you're now aware that Egypt is the 1949 basketball European Champion

>>70080270
Maybe in your frozen peninsula

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>>70080374
> snownigger calling greeks not european

>>70080374
Snowniggers haven't contributed to anything until recent times, you're hardly "european"

>>70080374
Waaait, was not it all vice versa, meaning Northern barbarians are not Europe compared to France, Spain, Italy and other south?

Are there really people that don't know that Russia and Europe are unrelated to each other?

>>70080745
stop the meme. russians who claim they aren't european say it to dodge the comparison to feel better about themselves

>>70080851
What the fuck am I even reading

>>70080851
Russians are not european.

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Russia has nothing to do with Europe

Are UK and Russia part of Europe nowadays?

Cultures and civilizations are not static entities, can change over time due to demographic changes or cultural mutations.

North Africa were part of the Roman culture, even part of Christian culture, but today they are part of Muslim culture.

UK were part of European civilisation but it seems nowadays is becoming part of Anglosphere world.

Russians no longer defend their Europeanness, mostly of them consider themselves Eurasians and part of their own Russian civilisation.

>>70080851
>russians who claim they aren't asian say it to dodge the comparison to feel better about themselves

>russians who claim they aren't american say it to dodge the comparison to feel better about themselves

>russians who claim they aren't australain say it to dodge the comparison to feel better about themselves

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>>70079809
>Is it common among mainlands to not include UK or Russia in Europe?

Literally the opposite, br*ts think they're special and not European.

>>70080967
you are ashamed of yourselves. the ugly guy doesn't want to sit next to chads.

>>70080972
you are butthurt, you say it to imply that russia doesn't have the right to intervene in european conflicts

>>70081004
>Eurasians
no such a thing, stop memeing

>>70081004
>mostly of them consider themselves Eurasians and part of their own Russian civilisation
this

>>70081004
>consider themselves Eurasians
Everyone who lives in Eurasia is Eurasian, it is not an identity
>part of their own Russian civilisation
Bingo. I don't know why european autists here try to lump us with them. /int/ is literally the only place where I saw this meme.

Russians depend on context.

UK is obviously Europe no matter how you look at it, but for unknown reasons they often refer to Europe as if they aren't a part of it.

>>70081045
>you are ashamed of yourselves
Ahahaha

>>70081062
>no such a thing, stop memeing

What?

I have spoken to Russians who have told me that they do not feel they are part of Europe, they define themselves geographically Eurasians and culturally as part of Russian civilization, which is not European.

>>70081161
Well, maybe geographically.
Still, in Russia we have an annoying movement about Eurasia, like "Russians and Tajiks are brothers!!!111" and shit, so I really doubt any sane Russian would call himself "Eurasian". It's not an identity as this anon says>>70081108
, identity is just Russian

>>70079809
"European" is literally an insult here.

>>70081161
>I have spoken to Russians
Bullshit
>they do not feel they are part of Europe
Russia is not a part of Europe, it is common knowledge, no feelings are involved.
>they define themselves geographically Eurasians
You can't define yourself geographically, you moron. Russia is Eurasian because it is located in Eurasia, just like Belgium or South Korea. Eurasian is not an identity
>and culturally as part of Russian civilization, which is not European
What a revelation. Russians are a part of Russian civilization, whowudathot?

>>70081257
>>70081161
I mean I'm Russian living in Siberia and I'd better cut my tongue then call myself "Eurasian" just because I happen to live to the east of Urals.
There is nothing "Asian" here anyway.

Also this >>70081268

>>70081268
Ukrainian fault desu

>>70080200
UK is more European than Scandinavia proper (Norway, Sweden, Finland) Tbh

>>70081117
>UK is obviously Europe

For the moment, but it seems that they are distancing themselves from Europe.

Maybe in not so distant future they will identify themselves as part of the Anglo-sphere, which is a civilization with common cultural elements, same language and multiethnic values.

>>70081432
why do you hate ukrainians?

>>70081434
that wouldn't make them farther from any other europan country than any other pair of random european countries

>>70081489
Ukrainians = Russians
Russians = self-haters
So Russians hate Ukrainians and vice versa

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>>70081433
>UK is more European than Scandinavia proper (Norway, Sweden, Finland) Tbh

Scandinavia is not Europe neither.

>>70081489
They shell civilians

>>70081556
Excluding Denmark, I can absolutely agree with that.

>>70081434
>>70081556
>Europe is not Europe
what memery is this? Are we also going to say that Japan is not in Asia?

>>70081556
>Tartaria
>Asia
I thought it's the same thing.

>>70081650
asia -> asia minor (anatolia + near east) not connected by land
tartaria -> asia, connected by land

>thread about what constitutes Europe
>full of delusional Russians as usual
yeah that's just great

>>70081650
>>70081639
>>70081587

Sorry, I only read comments written by Europeans.

yurope is a meme

like america and canada

>>70081004
Actually the best answer, surprisingly good from a Spanish post, no offence intended just usual Spaniards post really retarded or communist shit

>>70081785
>including the dane
Denmark is literally a part of Europe on the map you posted

>>70081824
>Denmark is literally a part of Europe on the map you posted

I decide what is Europe.

>>70081785
Ahh there it is. Usual Spanish tard post, Denmark is clearly part of Europe

>>70081887
you're just jealous of denmark's non-european status

>>70079809
your map is fucking gay and so are you
>czechoslovakia
>unified balkans

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>>70081887

>>70081857
YOU ARE WRONG

Denmark = German province

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>>70081908
Damn it you got me there, also definitely jealous of their beer, bacon and women.

>>70080066
this

>>70081995
>Damn it you got me there, also definitely jealous of their LEGO and women.

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>>70081919
Just make sure you remember to clean the sick and piss from our chavs off your streets José.

Europeans are sissies put on earth to be under Germanias boot, who would want to be one lel

>>70082055

Sudacas ad Morocans do this, we are too busy sleeping siesta and having sex with your girls.

ITT: people think they get to decide whether they're Europeans or not

guess what, it's really not up to you, it's a descriptive term for a group of racially European, culturally Christian countries located in a certain part of the world. You don't get to just decide you're a separate civilisation like some Tumblrina declaring they're transabled or an animal or something.

Russians are particularly insufferable about this because they use it to feed their victim complex (Hitler and Napoleon invading them is suddenly "Europe" invading them) and because they spent like a century pushing panslavism on the rest of Eastern Europe and using it as an excuse for expansion, but somehow now they want to push that they have nothing in common with it.

As for Britain supposedly not feeling European but rather seeing itself as part of some Anglo civilisation or sphere, that's pretty much bullshit that nobody outside of 4chan cares about. Australia or Canada are not part of our daily lives the same way our European neighbours are.

>>70082120
Sure you are buddy, if you like sleeping with hideous chavs you go get them mate, just serious though make sure you clean the sick up, you can always come over here and clean toilets, Spaniards seem to be the new poles in the UK, so many Spanish cleaners and fruit pickers live here now

>>70079809
We consider russians and turks as eurasians. Same could be said with georgians, azeris, armenians and kazachs. UK is just a cranky nation.

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>>70082144
>it's a descriptive term for a group of racially European, culturally Christian countries

>>70082144
Shut up, we are le special snowflake, deal with it

>>70082144
Did you just assume my continent?

>>70082222
>wasting quads on weak banter and a fake screencap of a news site

>>70082205
>eurasians
rrrreee, it sounds even worse than europeans

>>70082278
still sounds better than russians

>>70082205
I have never met anybody irl that considers Turks Eur-anythings.

>>70081004
yeah but we're talking about facts, not about feelings

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>>70082313
russians sounds perfect

>>70082144
>racially European
No such thing
>culturally Christian
Again, no such thing. Christianity is not a uniform culture. What distinguishes European culture from others is not Christianity.

>Hitler and Napoleon invading them is suddenly "Europe" invading them
This just in: Napoleon and Hitler were not Europeans. Europeans were good boys, they dindu muffin.

>>70079809
no both of these countries are essential parts of European history the meme that Russia is not European began after the fall of soviet union when Russia isolated itself and UK I dont thing I have to explain something

>>70082344
The'yre part of NATO so they're part of Eur-something

Greece is not Europe, they have their own writing system and they do not even wear pants, they wear skirts.

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>>70082278
Don't worry, you're more european than asian :^)

>>70082424
I love how you left out the "certain part of the world" part because that's convenient for you.

>This just in: Napoleon and Hitler were not Europeans. Europeans were good boys, they dindu muffin.
you're not even making sense.

>>70082498
How does that determine anything? They're an Asian people that conquered one European city. The country of Turkey might be Eurasian but Turks as a people are not, they're just Asian.

>>70082646
I like how you left out the part that Christianity did not originate in Europe, that there are numerous different variants of Christianity and that there were and currently are European countries that are not Christian. Christianity was a significant part of European culture and identity, but not a defining one.

Turkey and Russia are both divided into European and non-European sections

>>70082712
They're part of a club thats only for north americans and europeans. When you look at it like that, they're somewhat europeans but only marginally

>>70082596
I'm Siberian

>>70082795
And the european section is not the best one....

>>70082805
Thats not an ethnicity nor nationality and your main administration is on far western side of your country.

>>70082779
It originated in what was Europe in those days. The Roman Empire predates the notion of a continental unification, us Germanic tribes were less Roman than the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

>>70082846
It's your head. You'd be lost without it.

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>>70082846

>>70079809
Only among asshurt EU shills.

>>70082873
>ethnicity
I'm Russian
>nationality
I'm Russian
>main administration is on far western side of your country
So what? Doesn't make me European

>>70082779
>Christianity was a significant part of European culture and identity, but not a defining one.
Actually it is, modern European identity can be directly linked to the medieval concept of "Christendom".

>>70082973
your ethnicity
is russian
russians are europeans
thus you are a european.
I dont know the term for when youre a european born outside of europe, i think proto-european?

I AM EUROPE

>>70081489
TV said do this.

BTW How possible is it for all those kebab and Siberian republics to separate?

>>70086619
why would we?

How Russia can't be a part of Europe if we had absolutely european style city St Petersburg as fucking capital ?

>>70086788
Because Putin is very, very evil.

>>70086847
Good goy. Your gift will soon arrive from Africa.

Russia is a European country that never left the Middle Ages since the Renaissance et al never happened there.

>>70079952
>Western Russia where all the white people live is European. Most of the nation is Asia.
oh g
common mistake
You must understand that Russians by nationality (or white mb you calll it that way) live thoughout all territory in settlements that can called cities.
Vladivostok, Omsk, Novosibirsk, Ulyanovsk, Khabarovsk, whatever, common majority there r rook same.
Differencies could be in local remaining eastern or southern people, which won't have large part.

>>70087146
Damn, Americans always have such deep insight into the world around them.

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>>70087265
:^)

>>70079809
it was a joke
it's a thing white people do in the beginning of a speech to lighten the mood
you autistic fucking chink

Technically by territory, history, some cultural "roots", nationality look, Russia and Russians european. In some scientific scence I understand I am european. I did not experienced "cultural shock" in europe (though been only in several countries), I'm probably not easy to separate from native european by look.
But with the value that world puts word "european" today I am not european.

>>70080851 and I probably don't need it

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>>70087395
He frogot Francrabia.

All of Russia's high culture is European though, they don't have a high culture of their own as China or India do.

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>>70087359
hmm yes very nice HOWEVER

>>70087636
>China or India
Or USA

>>70087593
what ? what did you mean by this ? no i sure didn't forget it i live in it and it's fucking awful just nuke it please usa

>>70087395
>it was a joke
>it's a thing white people do in the beginning of a speech to lighten the mood
>you autistic fucking chink

No, we are literally skipping over everything in our text book that relates to Britain and Russia because the course only focuses on Europe. The text book covers these nations as much as the rest, but we only focus on mainland Europe. The instructor seems to think that mainland = all of Europe is incredibly obvious.

>>70081556
africa begins at the pyrenees
dont ever reply to a european again

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>>70087702

>>70087636
wat

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it's just a wide river really
of course we're european (not really)

>>70087776
well then idk he is just a very opinionated edgy /int/ tier person, in real life no one would argue they aren't europe
well maybe some people would argue for russia but definitely nobody would say that about uk

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it's just a not so high mountain
of course we are european
(not really)

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it's just a smaller ocean really
of course we are european
(not really)

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>>70079809
these are the countries mentioned at history classes in shitmany

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>>70087952
>Tuomiokirkko
>Mosque

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>>70088888

>>70088888
based

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>>70088888
>88888

>>70088888
The new world was a mistake.

>>70087359
notice the 2 cops on the right

>>70079809
>its that meme map made by a bong where the UK is split in 4

>>70089145
won't be long until this is mostly reality

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>>70088888
THE ABSOLUTE
STATE
OF AMERICA

>>70079809
The UK does the same thing basically. Russia is a category on its own.

>>70080187
That's very rich, coming from a Russian proxy state.

>>70080270
god damn you gotta get off your meds, Sven

>>70080994
other than meddling in its affairs daily

>>70087636
China's high culture today is insane western capitalism & consumerism.

>>70080211
>Albanians are white
debatable, to say the least...

>>70082278
but that's the meme Putin is trying to force so he can create the Eurasian Union™

>>70082596
I want to live in Yekaterinburg, will I get killed by Gengis ?

>>70079809

I can't even imagine what ''''european studies'''''' is.

If it's related to the European construction process since the CECA, Treaty of Rome, and etc then it makes sense to not bother with the UK and Russia

If it's more general about European historically cultural and political development and so on, then you do need to take into account the Uk. But a bit in the sense of a big black fly constantly swimming in the european soup

>>70091029
He can go fuck himself

>>70091115
>I want to live in Yekaterinburg
WHY

>>70091439
IS Putin trying to force Russians to like Central Asians?

>>70091491
Is it bad ?

Wait what kind of class? Politics ? Modern day stuff? History?

>>70079809
Your instructor is retarded, and it should make you worried about the quality of the course.

>>70080203
>turks
>Europeans

try again

>>70091590

18th-19th history and culture. Basically just a fluff class to pad out my semester.

>>70091533
yes, it's all that "we can't live without migrants because Russians are lazy swines" and "we can't have visa regime with Asia because don't you have fucking heart fucking Russian nazi?!" and "liiiiies, it's not trueee, that the most crimes are made by migrants, u r nazi, Tajiks grandfathers helped Russians to defend USSR, how can you say such mean things, are you nazi?!"

tl;dr you are Russian hence always a nazi

>>70091574
I think no, just why this city?

>>70091970
>18th-19th history and culture
>excluding Russia
okay, now you made me a bit triggered

>>70092020
I like its geographical position, I'm interested in going more east maybe

>>70079809
Let me guess, your teacher is from Quebec, aren't they.

>>70092116
You still can't go anywhere from there, travelling is expensive as fuck.
If I want to go to Far East from muh Siberia it would be more comfortable to fly to Moscow first.

>>70091970
>>70092093
Also am I too self-centered or studying 19th century without great game is a bit like studying 20th century without cold war?

Also I wonder how Napoleonic wars would look in your course...

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>>70092407
Wow, what about Irkutsk or Vladivostok ?

>>70091970
Literally the time Britain was a superpower and Russia rose in the east as an Empire. Not to mention culture. Your teacher is fucking retarded

>>70092511
Never been there.
But try Irkutsk, I've heard the French like to visit it for some reason.

>>70091981
are there many Central-Asians where you live?

>>70092695
ok I will see

is it possible to become Russian if I am not Depardiev ?

>>70092773
Not too many, we are not Moscow, but not too few. We started to have some ghettoish areas which was never the case in Russia, it's worrying.

>>70092856
in which town do you live, if you don't mind askings my answers

>>70092856
You don't like Putin? What party do you vote for?

>>70092794
You are not Kyrgyz or Uzbek so probably it's hard.
You'll stop wanting to become Russian after first 3 days of visiting though.

>>70079809
>UK in European history

is this a meme? The UK is less of an EU country than Ukraine

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>>70092963
I just want to reform the Oirat Khanate and ride westward on the wind

>>70092904
I lived in Tomsk, now I live in a bit shittier Siberian town I don't want to mention

>>70092935
Well, I don't passionately dislike Putin like our """opposition""" does, it could be worse. I never voted for him though.

I voted for KPRF in 2011, when we had campaign "vote any party than United Russia" (not commie, this is just the biggest party after UR)

This time I didn't go to vote.
I had two, only fucking two requirements:
-a practical one: be for freedom of speech, freedom of internet, 'mockracy, talk about economics and useful stuff, not about "geopolitics" and bad Murrica
-an aesthetical one: don't be russophobic pro-Ukrainian scum with "NATO pls bomb Moscow, I hate Russian bydlo"

No party fitted. So fuck it.

>>70093301
Do you think the election results are rigged?
In the west Putin is portrayed to have absolute control over Russia.

>>70093423
Rigged in a what way exactly? After protests they even made on-line cameras on every polling station, kek.
It all depends on a region actually, national republics are very bad in it.
The most "rigging" happens before elections when they forbid someone to be elected because some funny reasons.

Yeah, apparently western press now writes about him more than Russian press, it's hilarious.
And it's mostly paranoid propagandistic bullshit tbqh, you just went full brezhnev-mode. I even saw statistic about the correlation: the more Russian people read western press - the more they dislike the west.

I read western press for years, they started make him absolutely Dart Vaderish around 2012, I'm still not sure what exactly was the reason.

>>70094163
2bh it's good propaganda, they make him seem like some evil supergenius james bond Tsar so they can use him as a bogeyman. No surprise Russians are impressed with him.
at least in America and the UK they do this, here it's not that intense.

>>70080038

Turk diaspora detected.

the UK and Russia have had intimate connections with the meme continent of Europe. religious, cultural connections. frankly even Armenia, Georgia and Turkey could be added along with parts of the Levant and it'd make some sense too

but in that case you lose your imagined split from Asia

>>70079809

Why the hell Russia is supposed to be included in Europe? We have absolutely nothing to do with it except for geographical position.

>>70094163
>they started make him absolutely Dart Vaderish around 2012

it started a bit earlier, I'd go as far as 2008 when Medvediev picked him as prime minister, and in 2011 Hillary Clinton published her manifesto for a re-centering of american foreign policy on Asia.

Same times they started to pull dodgy shit in the south china sea forcing china to establish its sovereignty.

Map got it right by excluding Cyprus in Europe but also got it wrong it wrong by including Georgia,armenia, and Azerbaijan. These countries aren't geographically, cultrually,or linguistically European.

>>70094475
'absolutely nothing' though? no ties whatsoever to the rest of the Slavic-speaking world, to Byzantium and to Western Europe since Peter the Great?

>>70094660
Georgia and Armenia are, as well as Cyprus

>>70079952
>Western Russia where all the white people live is European

That's wrong. Please, don't speak on the things you have absolutely no clue about.

>>70094475
The relevant parts of Russia are part of Yurop.

>>70079968

Don't call us European please, it offends us a lot.

>>70094660
what does *linguistically* European mean though? the one thing that makes most sense would be having some connection to the two classical languages of Europe, Greek and Latin, and the works written in them. Armenians, Georgians and the Christians of the Levant definitely had that

"any language that is spoken in Europe" seems like a weird definition to me. and from that perspective at least, Roma and Arabic are European too

>>70094660
>Armenia
>not linguistically european

>>70094712
>georgia
>european

what the fuck is wrong with you dweebs?

>>70094905
hmm, what are gypsies if not European?

>>70094905
It's basically a tard's way to say the language belongs to the Indo-european language family, which Armenian does, but Georgian doesn't.

>>70094826

All the relevant parts of Russia are cituated outside of Russia. This country is nothing, but a resource colony for the western world.

>>70095016
they're indians imported by the muslims

>>70095021
I doubt it is since that excludes Basque, Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian and Maltese. plus Indo-European is spoken more outside than in Europe

>>70095016
I don't disagree. they definitely are, same with Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Italkim and Romaniotes but I imagine at least some people would disagree, perhaps even more than about Armenians or Georgians

>>70094475
Idiot. You're culturally closer to Europe. You're not some special snowflake

>>70095105
As I said, a tard's way.
These fuckers probably don't even realize there's more languages than French, German, Spanish and English out there.

>>70094333
>No surprise Russians are impressed with him.
We don't read your press that much.
But it's a good PR, yeah, even I have a urge to vote for him when read something especially evil. Mighty Russian hackers, etc.
>>70094510
But 2011 protests were not even covered, seemed like western press was more pro-Putin then, was all like "meh, some ungrateful Putin's kids are protesting against him, who cares"

>>70095079
nah man, the Roma first entered Europe before the Ottomans had advanced to it. the upheaval caused in Anatolia might have caused them to move in greater numbers but they weren't that numerous back then in the first place

>>70095114
>You're culturally closer to Europe.

Our culture, our mentality, our worldview has absolutely nothing to do with European. We're absolutely different people, even Japanese and Chinese are closer to Europe in terms of culture than we are.

>>70094968
>what the fuck is wrong with you dweebs?

More interesting question is, why are you so asshurt, when you hear "Georgia"?

>>70095247
You seriously aren't, moron

>>70095247
Are you sure? Are you absolutely positive?

>>70095247
>mentality
no memes are allowed, it's a serious thread

>>70095079
there is mention of Gypsies by Byzantine emperor in 800AD

>>70079809
Brits are butthurt if you call them European

>>70095300
I'm not, I like it, it's just that since they're playing the superiority game, they should at least know what the fuck is going on.
THAT gets me salty.

Thanks for adjika btw, this is the sauce of the gods.

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>>70082278

Do you prefer the word "Asiopeans"?

>>70095325
The first muslim conquest in India was done in 715

>>70095325
>there is mention of Gypsies by Byzantine emperor in 800AD

that seems too early. keep in mind the Athinganoi mentioned in the 9th century were likely a heretical Christian sect, not our gypsies

Turkey would've been considered European if Muslims hadn't conquered it. Hell, if Spain hadn't reconquisted itself, we'd probably consider it non-european too.

In light of that, the increasing Islamification of the UK is why we are most certainly not European, and our defining reason for leaving the EU.

>>70095375
and yet
>Georgia and Armenia are, as well as Cyprus
whats your problem with this statement?

>Thanks for adjika btw
YW :^)

>Pyccкиe итт дpaмaтичнo зaявляют, чтo oни нe Eвpoпa, вынyждaя eвpoпeйцeв yбeждaть их в oбpaтнoм
Eбaть мнoгoхoдoвoчкa

>>70079809
They live in a bubble that's why.
They are so far away from everything, they don't know what is going on outside their backyard and they are obsessed with their own local things (soccer, etc).

What even happens in Siberia? All I can associate with it is gulags and abject poverty, not anywhere near as relevant as Western Russia.

>>70095506

one dude states armenia isn't european, other dude states georgia is european.

Well if armenia ain't, they both ain't; if georgia is they both are.

>>70095431
I prefer 'Russians'

>>70095541
Most of th the natural resources are located there

>>70095302

You simply don't know what are you talking about.

>>70095317

I'm absolutely sure. Europeans and Americans to us are like aliens from another planet.
I even doubt we will ever be able to comprehend them and their culture.

>>70095323

It's not a meme, we really think *differently* from the rest people.

>>70095539
>flag
>they live in a bubble

topkek

>>70095541
kys

t. Siberian

>>70095597
t. дyгинapacт

>>70095541
I associate it with natives. But I know they have been genocided, so it's probably just a generic post-apocalyptic native hellhole, like in parts of USA and Australia

>>70095442
you really believe muslims sent gypsies to fuck europe up? Gypsies were not even hostile at the beggning, they even got blessing of pope

>>70095473
well, its hard to point out exact date but its not less than 1000 years, i think its interesting because there are ashkenazis and hungarians who came in same timespan and how differently are those groups seen

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>>70095541
>Siberia
>gulags

>>70095597
Then why the fuck can -I- bloody understand them, бapaн ты тyпoй?

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>>70095541
>Siberia
>abject poverty

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>>70095541
>poverty

Siberia in general is wealthier than the "European" part of Russia (which is nothing but an Africa-tier shithole outside of Moscow and Petersburg).

>>70081004
>nowadays is becoming part of Anglosphere world
we started the fucking anglosphere you spastic

and just because the five eyes are similar doesn't mean we stop being european
geography and history doesn't fly out the window because we colonised countries half the world away

>>70095694
>But I know they have been genocided
We are not USA

>>70095717
900 years for sure. the to-be-Ashkenazi have been present in Europe since late classical times at least though and a lot of right-wingers don't consider them "European" either.

the comparison with Hungarians is good but I guess the difference is that Hungarians are mostly linguistically assimilated natives while the Roma are still significantly South Asian in ancestry so look very distinct and their culture clashes with pretty much every other surrounding one

>>70095597
Mate, are you seriously saying cities like Moscow and Saint Petersburg have no European influence in them at all?

>>70095786
lol cecnya

>>70095728
>>70095774
>>70095786
Still irrelevant, though

>>70095814
You did also genocide your natives. It didn't just happen in USA.

>>70095618
butthurt, subhuman?

>>70095841
He's most likely a dugin fanboi

>>70095841
define "influence"
If European architect builds a house in USA does USA becomes European?

>>70092995
>greece is an uneducated povvo
wow colour me surprised

>>70095919
in both cases disease was a major factor. Russians moving East describe whole towns dying of disease

>>70095885
>irrelevant
...compared to what parts of Russia exactly? Osetia, Mari El, Kalmykia and Saratov?

>>70079809
Why would you consider Russia as an European country? It has been isolationist for most of his history, and most of our interactions with them were wars happened in the last 200 years.
But yeah, saying that the UK is not historically European is bullshit. He's basically changing the program of his course cause of something happened a few months ago. That's ridicolous.

>>70096000
I think he's comparing it to "GLORIOUS UK"

>>70095938
>If European architect builds a house in USA does USA becomes European?
No, but it's based on European architecture, which is what I'm saying.

>>70095985
They also took native children away from their parents in order to kill their culture.

>>70096019
sorry dude but Russians had interactions with and plenty of influence from Byzantium (and to an extent Bulgaria) long before that. Europe doesn't begin and end with Western Europe

>>70095841

Saint Petersburg has some European influence, because many buildings in the historical center were designed by European architects. While Moscow on other hand is not European at all.

>>70095885

I don't get your point, are you saying saying villages in the Western part of Russia are more relevant than cities like Ekaterinburg and Novosibirsk?

>>70095919
Nope.
Not because we were that kind and shit, just different geographical circumstances.
Natives here were mostly hunters and it was in general very low populated area so we didn't disturb each other too much, they paid taxes with fur and nomadize, we built towns.

>>70096061
huh we could've learned a thing or two from the russians after all...

>>70096023
as opposed to "GLORIOUS GREECE"?

we wuz philosophers and sheet

>>70096209
>Saint Petersburg has some European influence

Пocмoтpи нa eгo имя, бaлвaн.
It's literally got a French name.

>>70095920
Just admit you are an ignorant cunt

>>70096244
What about Greece?
Fuck that middle-east-in-europe shithole

>>70083007
Yes i forgot how european ethiopans truly are?

>>70096345
>Greece
>in Europe

>>70096000
>>70096209

77% of Russians live in Western Russia. Can't name a Siberian city off the top of my head. When most people think of Russia, they think of Moscow and St. Petersburg.

>>70096041
>based on
So what? And European culture is based on Rome and Greece, doesn't make it Roman or Ancient Greek

>>70096381
>Prettanike nesos
>not a little island lying off the coast of Europe

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>>70096387
>Can' name a Siberian city off the top of my head

>>70096061
huh?

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>>70096315
fuck off

we have this term Classic Europe
referring to Spain, Italy, Germany and France

>>70096438
>spain
basically part of latin america desu

>>70096418
...It's literally almost twice the size of Greece.

What's wrong with you guys today, why can't you even make a proper insult?

>>70096381
definitely more "in" Europe than you, right now though.

>>70094712
No they arent. Look at their foods,dresses,mannerism,looks. Clearly middle eastern

>>70096387
...
Novosibirsk is literally the third populated city in the country, after M*scow and Petersburg.

>When most people think of Russia, they think of Moscow and St. Petersburg.
Well, and there are people who learn European history of 19th century without mentioning UK and Russia. People are not always right, you know.

>>70096023
>comparing it to "GLORIOUS UK"

Well, according to the britroaches the rest of the world doesn't worth a single square inch of their island. Everyone knows anglos are natural nazis undoubtfully believing in their superiority over all other nations.

>>70096504
lmfao sure you are

you're about as european as your turkish brothers

>>70096436
Just admit you are an ignorant cunt

>>70096534
t. Mehmet

>>70096397
What are even saying? You said Russia has no relation to Europe, which is bullshit

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>>70079809
>instructor is some Italian
>instructor
>Italian
good job at taking in our trash, Canada

>>70096571
"we" are? Who's "we"?
Are we talking about Greeks or me, now?
Quit switching back and forth, assmouth

>>70096550
>Everyone knows anglos are natural nazis in doubtfully believing in their superiority over all other nations
yes and?

i dont expect a filthy commie like you to understand nationalism and patriotism

>>70096438
>Spain, Italy, Germany and France
>G*rmany
How did these northern barbarians get included?

>>70096550
>implying russians aren't exactly the same way if not worse

>>70096622
was not me, i'm another anon

>>70096504

little compared to continental Europe. stop being such a massive autist, nerd, we're just having some fun

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>>70096593
Still talking to me, retard?

Kinda sad to see all you fuckers fight amongst yourselves, I almost feel like throwing in some niggers to see you loved and united again.

>>70096596
t.caucasus nigger

>>70096387

There are more than 2 cities in Russia.

>When most people think of Russia, they think of Moscow and St. Petersburg.

When most people think of the UK, they think of London, but it doesn't mean it's the only city on your small island.

>>70096730
Just admit you are an ignorant cunt

>>70096776
>When most people think of the UK, they think of London
Yeah, I know that. My point is, on a world scale, Western Russia is more significant than Siberia, just as London is more significant than Cornwall.

>>70096134
Byzantium is often seen by European students as a external force founded by European people.
There is a very strong, historical distinction between Byzantium and Rome, and most european citizens are fully aware of it. That's why Turkey being European is so controversial. There is an strong clash of culture when you factor Russia and Turkey into the equation.

>>70097015
That's probably got more to do with the fact you're catholics while they were orthodox than with anything else.

See, you could all just play along if it weren't for petty christian disputes.

>>70096660

Nationalism and patriotism are two absolutely different concepts, you dumb chav.

>>70096711

No, that's different. We don't claim to be better than people from other countries who belong to other cultures, ethnicities and races.
Yes, we believe they're different from us (which is quite obvious), but we don't hate them and don't consider them subhuman like you Europeans usually do to everyone you don't like and don't understand.

>>70097138
Not really, since Protestant Germany and Anglican UK are still considered European.
Religion is one factor, but it isn't the main one. Imho it's really about the radical difference in aesthetic, valors and morals between Western Europe and places like Russia and Turkey.

>>70097180
>Nationalism and patriotism are two absolutely different concepts
basically same shit
nation = country

>>70097180
>Yes, we believe they're different from us (which is quite obvious), but we don't hate them and don't consider them subhuman like you Europeans usually do to everyone you don't like and don't understand.

What a load of fucking shit

>>70097262
I'm sorry, I'm referring to the Byzantium.
Having been brought up in Greece, I've only gotten one viewpoint, one which also states that the Allies won WW2 because Greece delayed the Axis troops (and caused them to arrive in Russia in the middle of the winter).
So please, do share on.

>>70097015
you keep conflating "European" with "Western European" e.g.

>Byzantium is often seen by European students

but yes, I agree with you that each area of Europe has their own views and biases about everything

>>70094163
>the more Russian people read western press - the more they dislike the west
this is apparently true for western people as well

>>70097180
>but we don't hate them
So you just lovingly genocide them and take their land?

It's obvious in the way Russia acts and have acted the past 400 years what you really think.

>>70097447
Well, that was even more true for USSR and soviet press and it ended not so well.

>>70097507
Seriously that, though. Swedes might be super-closet-racists, but at least they don't bomb the shit out of africa and shit

>>70097507
name me one genocide aside from British meme about Cherkass

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>>70097010
>capital which has 1/7 of the country's population and 1/4 of the gdp is more significant than some provincial region

Wow, how unexpected, who could ever think of that.

>>70097598
>Hundreds of thousands to over a million Turkish and Kurdish civilians are alleged to have been massacred by forces loyal to the Russian Empire during World War I in reprisal for the Armenian Genocide.

>The Russian Empire has been accused of mass killings of hundreds of thousands of Jews and Muslims through its military and through riots.

>During the Russian Civil War the Bolsheviks engaged in a genocidal campaign against the Don Cossacks. The most reliable estimates indicate that out of a population of three million, between 300,000 and 500,000 were killed or deported in 1919–20.

>Chechnya, 2004

I could go on. I'm the Russian dude, btw.

>>70097507
>>70096219

>>70097735
filthy Circassian immigrant

>>70097735
Shit, 1944*
I was reading the article and it was saying about when it was declared a genocide.

>>70097793
Τόσες περιοχές είχες να ονομάσεις kαι διάλεξες αυτήν;
Γιατί;

>>70081434
>>70081556
European Union =/= Europe
>>70096784
Anglos are the most arrogant retards in this site, do you expect someone that didn't even have to learn a foreign language to post here to be minimally smart ?