Obsolete shithole organization. Vast majority of the countries

>>70017675
lol ur gay

desu they were the coolest faction in world in conflict
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7wyP4csV6Y

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>>70017675
the only country worth defending is switzerland tbqh. everyone else can fuck off and enjoy the islamic hordes with no limit by cuckmany

>>70017675
t. Uneducated American

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I'm so sick and tire of all these libcucks wishing to keep our military cucked and under us control. when the rightwing gook deathsquads comes and take over I want 10% GDP to military spending, get nukes and go full nk tier nazi militarism. fucking cucks ive had it.

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>>70017737
>Implying NATO's purpose is to defend Europe from Islam

>>70017737
>Switzerland
>part of NATO

Well you are officially educated enough for your armed forces.

>>70017770

t .literal faggot

>>70017793
problem is that the only force you could invade is North Korea. Everyone else is way too big for you. no offense

Wtf is this stupid logic. You ruined the soviet union, now you take care of us.

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>>70018099
dude just like increase ur defenses lol

Shut the fuck up Tyrone Paco del Taco and pay for my protection you manlet sharting bitch

>>70017675
>We can use those billions and invest it in our infrastructure, healthcare and education instead
You mean cut taxes on the rich :^)

>>70017873
I'm honestly so pissed trump has decided not to pull troops out and allow us build nukes to point at japan and go full on operation Barbarossa on the commies gook up north.
Trump is just a jewish shill.

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>America cucks middle east
>middle east cucks Europe for benefits
>Europe cucks America for defense

>>70018188

Do you want to reunite with NK?

>>70018133

Other guy here, we're slowly getting to it.

>>70018188
I don't think you could take on Japan dude. They would probably militarize if we withdrew from East Asia, and if you attacked them is would be a repeat of ww2.

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>>70018133
An infantry trench in Lithuania.

>>70018302
too deep. not friendly for US troops

>>70017675
>defending
From who?

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>>70018292
No just a war of total extermination of the populace so worst korea can have more land but gook rapefugees
>>70018294
Just fund the right wing gook death squad. they would probably be trumps greatest ally against potential jap delusions and chink spregs.

>>70018400
*but no rapfugees

What are you talking about? We don't need you to defend us from Russia. It's your shitty propaganda that makes people scared of Russia in the first place. Russia is also taking care of the situation in Syria, while you sit there idly and let the catastrophe (that you yourself created) unfold. I really wish America would just keep to itself and stop interfering in international affairs. Hopefully things will change with Trump as president.

Americans sure have a short temper,
I hope you don't take too long to calm down,
after all we don't want rudeness to cut our partnership short.
I'm sure small comments will be ignored in favor for the bigger European picture.
We don't want to belittle your contributions.
This is all a minor mistake, that will not cast long shadows.

>>70018400
if you can fight off china you can come live here
i would rather korean overlord than chang desu

>>70018099
How about if you fuck off and take care of your own country

>>70017675
Agreed. You're autistic though.

>>70018188
He hasn't said what he'll do.

>>70017675
1. You're a cocksucker

2. The Western powers did take NATO for granted, but with Russia at our side, eastern yuros stayed supportive, despite having to fight your wars.

The only alliance I'd like to be a part of at this point is ANZUS and maybe with SK but >>70018188 doesn't seem to agree

>>70017675
>We waste billions defending the ungrateful fucks that regularly trash us
You don't even pay for your bases, it's us. Just read a little closer.

>>70017675
There has been so many dangerous blood thirsty superpowers in the last 50 years which threatened to destroy us. I'm so grateful to have you, world police.

You fucking retard. First off, NATO members don't pay us, they pay NATO. Even if they paid their dues, not a single cent would go to America. And the US picking up the slack for countries that don't pay is still immensely profitable for us. We make a shit ton of money by being able to trade with them, which wouldn't happen if they were under Russia's sphere of influence.

America receives a billion dollars a day in foreign investment. That's a billion dollars a day to create jobs for Americans, to build out infrastructure, etc etc. That wouldn't happen if we didn't protect out allies. Sure, some of them need to spend more on their militaries, but threatening to abandon them is absolutely unacceptable.

>>70017810
Never said they were dipshit. We defend Finland even though they aren't part of NATO. We defend every Western European country NATO or not. If Russia launched missiles at Switzerland, you bet your dunb fuck ass we would respond.

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>>70018099
USSR collapsed on itself because socialism is a literal meme.

>>70018170
This is the only relevant post

>p.s. militaries don't matter in the nuclear era, there will be no WW3 as all relevant states have nukes and even with the most advanced anti missile technology they can only be partially defended against (i.e. stopping the bomb but not the fallout) any direct Russo-American war will end the world and that hurts profits (read: will not happen)

>>70017675
Agreed.

Not making 2% for even one year should automatically suspend a country from the treaty for a minimum of three years, and their suspension can only be lifted at the end of those three years by a 2/3 majority vote if the council.

Getting really sick of countries like Canada, France, and Germany's bullshit.

>>70018134
We no longer will. :^)

Enjoy Putin you slavic trash. How many times has your shithole been raped now?

>>70022086
You have to give us some credit. The USSR collapsed so soon because the US ramped up military spending to levels where the USSR couldn't compete, causing them to drain resources from other parts of their economy into their military. THAT is how we caused their collapse.

>>70017675
Remember that comic of uncle Sam and that British guy carrying a bunch of cultures and the label was "the white man's burden".

Well, that's basically us. It is America's burden to protect the world against terrorists like isis and Russia and China and iran.

Although it has costs is dearly financially and socially, it is for the good of the world.

>>70022164
Well we should delegate it back to Airstrip One. They like feeling important anyway.

>>70018170
Cut taxes on all income groups dipshit. Especially our massive corporate tax that is also luring businesses away from investing in the US.

Bring back manufacturing jobs and invest it in corporations that bring back their rampant outsourcing to Ping and Pajeet. Improve our shit-tier infrastructure in some states and invest it in education while getting rid of the common core meme.

>b-but defend us against putin muh automation

Fight your battles inbred potatonigger.

>>70022257
Basically this.

I used to feel proud that America is stopping russia and isis from invading the west.

But now, the world needs to fend for themselves. If China really wants to become a superpower, they need to start acting like one and start taking care of our problems like isis and terrorism. We spend way too much on our military and we can't be outpaced for the next 100 years, think about how much good we can do INSIDE our borders in that 100 years.

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>buttblasted american neets cirklejerk ITT how they "literally saved the world" because few assburgers laughed at their soldiers being short

fucking pathetic

>>70022368
I like spending in our military for equipment because that's an investment in security for both now and the future, what I don't like is the President pissing away money in half a dozen countries at any one time trying to civilize a bunch of savages.

Might as well spend 500 billion dollars trying to fund research on how to herd cats.

And think how many more planes and ships we could have had if we hadn't spend the last 16 years fucking around in at least 1 country ever single day. Shit like that is why despite spending all this money the Navy STILL has about 30 less ships than they're supposed to have.

>>70018467
Glad you agree bro.

>US leaves NATO
>US loser superpower status
>nothing happens to Europe because this is not the Cold War
>EU-Russia relations start to normalize after US pulls out all troops and equipment from European soil

Wouldn't be so bad, although I support NATO. It's funny how so many Drumpf-voters became commie-loving anti-NATO shills but want to spend more on defending Israel.

>>70019706
And you barely pay shit and we have no interest in defensing your third world shitholes that should have remained Russian oblasts.

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>>70022493
stop agreeing when i'm insulting you

>>70022538
If Europeans support NATO then they should hit 2% or be suspended.

>>70022434
What? We are the only thing stopping russia from reaching Portugal. If I were you I'd start preparing for a Russian invasion

>>70022538
Russia will nuke europe

But I agree with you bro, America needs to focus on America.

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>>70017675
How it was a year ago for Amerilards:
>HURR FUCKING RUSSKIES GET YOUR TROOPS AND BASES OFF OUR COUNTRIES STOP TRYING AGGRESSING ON OTHER COUNTRIES

How Amerilards act now:
>R-RUSSIA PLEASE LOVE US PLEASE PROTECT US AGAINST KEKS PLEASE WE'LL SUCK YOUR DICK THROUGH A GARDEN HOSE DON'T HATE US WE LOVE RUSSIA

>>70022626
No, let russia be russia, they can do what they want. Cold War is over

>>70022434
>t. increasingly nervous toilet repair man

>>70022654
Half the burgers on here hated Russia in 2014, even more before that.

>>70021645
>t-they wouldn't trade with us if we didn't defend them

Unironically kill yourself. We are the biggest economy in the world. They would still trade with us because they have to. Look at China. We oppose each other politically and militarily massively yet they remain our biggest trading partners. Simply because it benefits us both economically.

Nobody ever said anything about NATO members defending us. Just that we invest billions into it while the great majority of countries in it don't pay their fair share. You're a fucking idiot if you think this is acceptable.

I don't give a fuck about Ukraine or the rest of the poor Eastern Euro shitholes. Germany can hold its own against Russia. So can the UK and them and France have nukes. They can form their own defense pact instead of us wasting billions on their defense while they sit back and don't pay their fair share.

>>70022626
Nah Russians are faggots too.

>>70022538
Yeah it's weird how pro Israel this place is now when JIDF was the go to adhom before cuck.

>>70017675
im down for pay for service. if you need us, then pay.

>>70022688
Americans are stupid emotionally volatile people. Who knew?

>>70022688
I don't care. I've been only been on /int/ since early 2016.
>>70022728
This. I'd go a step further and say that we will pull out and if you want US troops stationed in your land. Pay us

>>70022696
Not him obviously but I'd be fine with NATO is a provision was added to it along these line>>70022104

>>70022538
Nope.

We will remain a superpower simply because we have the largest economy and military strength in the world.

You do realize Trump is going to increase military expenditure correct? But it will be used for our national defense and our territories. Not some fucking bumfuck alcoholic eastern euro shitholes.

>>70022696
>You're a fucking idiot if you think this is acceptable.
I didn't say it was acceptable, I said threatening to abandoning our allies was equally unacceptable and we need to find another way to get people to pay up.

Also, several countries have and will turned their countries away from the US and towards Russia.

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>>70022610
>We are the only thing stopping russia from reaching Portugal

>>70022780
For the first time since forever, I will proudly display the US flag again. I feel so proud to be american ever since I now realize US troops will now serve the US not some shithole across the ocean

>>70022789
They can hold their own against Russia. France and the UK have nukes. Germany, France and the UK all have very strong militaries.

What should happen is for the EU to form their own massive military. What shouldn't happen is us continuing to waste billions defending these ungrateful fucks that don't pay their fair share or just barely pay it.

>>70022830
Bring our boys back home!!

>>70022780
Isn't this the much feared police state both sides opposed when Bush was president. Now that an orange is selling it to you, you love it?

>>70022789
>Also, several countries have and will turned their countries away from the US and towards Russia
What like Turkey and Germany? Good fucking riddance.

>>70017770
t. high educated shitskin

>>70022889
How the fuck is increased defense spending a police state you faggot fucking leaf?

>>70022878
>What should happen is for the EU to form their own massive military.
This opens up the possibility that the EU becomes truly independent, which would weaken the US.

>>70017675
There's 16.000 billion dollars worth reasons that nothing works in usa, you're owned by china.. Pay you're depst, you trump whore

>>70017675
Trump only needs to do this:
''Increase your military spending or america leaves NATO'' and you'll see how europe panics

>>70022789
>several countries have turned away from the US

Not economically. They will continue to trade massively with the US like it or not. Like how we are massive trading partners with China despite hatinf the shit out of each other.

>>70022926
A huge military for the sole purpose of naval gazing. But sure clearly somebody who had their first election last year remembers the (rightful) outrage surrounding this when Bush was around.

>>70022601
I agree simply because those were the rules signed by everyone, but it wouldn't change a thing for the US. You'd still spend as much money. Your military-industry complex does that.

>>70022696
>instead of us wasting billions on their defense
How are you paying anything that you wouldn't have paid anyway without NATO?

>>70022780
>pulling out of NATO and losing your most trustworthy military partners
>worsening US-EU relations
>worsening US-China relations
>losing the Middle East to Russia/Iran
>losing the SCS to China

Being a superpower means you project power anywhere in the world. If you pull out of NATO and Trump continues this path he's on, you will lose that.

>>70022940
I wish he would but technically he can't because our treaties are ratified and canceled by the Senate. I'd say odds are pretty good EU leadership knows that.

>>70022931
Mmm yes. Like all the non-US military pacts have weakened us? Oh wait.

>>70022789
>russia
No LatAm is pivoting to China and the EU is starting to as well including traditional cock suckers like Poland. If anything America is pivoting to Russia.

>>70023011
America needs to pull our of NATO

>>70022434
Aren't you tired of bringing up the short spics?
Stick to the topic, asswipe.

>>70022992
I'm 31 you homo, and I assume you're talking about Bush 1 not W, as W sure as shit used to military.

The spending under Bush 1 was much higher than it is today, there is a happy medium berserk underfunding the military while asking them to fight constant war and spening 5.5% GDP when you're at relative peace.

Name one (1) reason why you think Russia wants to invade/nuke Europe.
protip: you can't

>>70023027
>it hasn't happened yet so it'll never happen!

>>70023121
It's russia, you'll never know, but they will invade eventually

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>>70017675
Please leave

I've heard people shit talking America and specifically the US military.

When Serbia and Russia attack I'll be long gone from this shithole kekking with the force of a billion Suns

, wonder if they'll have to scrape the bottom of the barrel since last time there was war in Croatia, most Croat able bodied men fled like the pussies they are

>>70023011
>how are you paying anything that you wouldn't have paid without nato

Look at how much money we spend on NATO every year. That money can be used on our own country and people instead. Defend your own shit Van Dijk. Even if we weren't to spend the billions saved, in our current condition, less federal spending is a good thing.

>y-you'll lose your superpower status

Not as long as we remain the largest economy and have the strongest military.

>>70023240
>Russia
>invading

kek nigger what are you smoking. They wouldn't be able to afford a full scale offensive war on foreign soil anyway.

>>70023121
I can't.

Your leaders do hence the panic.

>>70017675
t. kremlin proxy trying to sew discord
fuck off

>>70023392
You mean who actually funds NATO? US 22%, Germany 15%, France 11%, UK 10%, Italy 8%, etc. So you don't actually spend that much on NATO compared to other countries.

>>70023464
I doubt Trump is posting here.

>>70017675
The purpose of the Nato was foremost to prevent a Russo-German alliance. Keeping Germany down and Russia out. If you got rid of it it would hurt you more than Europe.

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>>70023558
22℅ is billions.

Most countries do not pay their fair share.

>>70022654
Russia would probably invade and invade and invade other countries since no one wants to work with those corrupt fucks.

I don't have much trust in them.

>>70023899
Mm sure thing. That's why Yuropoors are desperately clinging for the US to stay and not slash funding massively or pull out.

>russo-germany alliance

Fucking kek. Not in our life, the life after that and the life after that.

>>70024041
(And Russia is going to see why CIA operations back fire so much by fucking up so big time as to antagonize the most powerful country in the world. Saudi Arabia with nukes acting stronger than they think lol.)

>>70024035
Nigger you're confusing 2 things. NATO funding is pretty evenly shared, as I posted earlier. It's not billions, but millions.
The graph you posted is what each NATO member spends on its military. Again, explain to me how the US is spending billions on European defense?

>>70024100
>That's why Yuropoors are desperately clinging for the US to stay and not slash funding massively or pull out.
Eastern Europe? Yes, most likely. Germany? Not so much.

>Fucking kek. Not in our life, the life after that and the life after that.
You might be unaware of it but Russia was a good partner of us in matters of business. We were opposed to the sanctions the US have been pushing for and there's little for us to gain in antagonising them. Russia is not our competitor: it's yours. Go ahead, look at things from an economic perspective like Trump does without considering geo-strategy, go get rid of anything that seems to cost too much money without realising that these are the tools that secure your world domination. Putin will be happy about it, China as well, and Europe is listening closely too.

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>>70017675
>>70024035
Having Russia in the news is obviously good for British defence business and contractors. It means they get to spend money on lots of new toys like the new aircraft carriers, the Type 26 ships, new Astute-class submarines as well as replacement for the Trident nuclear deterrent. The F-35b plane. Also my favourite the new 400+ Ajax armoured fighting vehicles. Of course some of these would have been built with or without Russia being prominent in the news.

>>70024330
>Russia was a good partner of us in matters of business.
yeah and ghaddafi was europe's best friend because you wanted his business. never mind he was a terrorist and a bloody dictator. how convenient. and you blame us that we have "interests". same old same old my friend
oh and arafat too. best friend of the french govt

>>70024542
I fail to see the issue there.

In any case it's beside the point. Also, it's getting a bit late over here so we'll have to end this discussion at this point.

>>70024330
Utter bullshit. Maybe in the past but German-Russian relations are horrendous now.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-considering-a-push-for-eu-sanctions-on-russia-over-syria-1475690905

You want to sanction Russia over Syria.

Fuck out of here.

>>70024681
>You want to sanction Russia over Syria.
Not really. Do you also believe that I want millions of refugees to rape my sister and mother?
Merkel and co. want all that stuff, but that will be over after the next elections.

>>70025068
AfD will lose solely because it wants better relations with Russia and Merkel is being portrayed as the savior of the EU.

>>70017675
I agree with you Ameribro.