Thousands to receive basic income in Finland which could lead

>have some people who don't want to work
>what could we do to increase their desire to be productive?
>let's give them more money without any obligations whatsoever!

It's a terrible, terrible idea.
However, I welcome it. Give me 1000-1200 Euro for doing nothing every month and I will gladly rot at home jerking off and eating pizza all day.

>>69734721
Will Finland accept more refugees?

560 euros can give you an ok life here but with the rent prices in finland I don't think one can survive quite that well.


Basic income is a joke in my opinion. You are being subsidized to do nothing. And you will vote for whoever promises to pay you more.

This will lead to never ending spiral of doom.

In the end the economy wont be able to support that lifestyle and the people, who were living with no effort will be unable to plug the holes.

if you had unemployment benefits basic income isn't really a shift per se

it's only if you are like us and benefits are temporary/conditional

basic income refers to all and any so that poverty is no longer possible

>>69734756
basic income is basic, you won't be eating pizza everyday

>>69734783

>here but with the rent prices in finland I don't think one can survive quite that well.

You can live in a shelter for drug addicts. It's comfy you get your own room with a locked door.
You don't need to be a drug addict.

i have an eu passport how do i sign up for finland eu bucks

>>69734780
no
>>69734721
fuck off op stop promoting this shit

>>69734721
didn't know fingols were so lazy

>tfw my monthly rent alone is 1500 euros

that doesnt even include electricity and water

You must give the same rights to EU citizens as well.

What forms do I need to fill out? :DDD

>>69734721
560 euros can you even live on that?

>>69734871

99% of Finnish NEETs would work if it wasn't so hard.
Just to get meaningful employment is a task of enormous difficulty.

This will be interesting.

At the first look it may seem like a huge waste of money, but right now practically everybody living on wellfare is getting way more money than that 560€ and then there's the whole bureocracy mill to distribute it which also eats money.

One idea is to replace all the currently existing welfare bureaucracy and means-tested programs with basic income. So no more national pension program, no more unemployment insurance, no more disability, no more food supports, just basic income

>>69734910
now that's a worst idea

though that is the trump plan

Wouldn't a basic massively increase inflation? So in the end people wouldn't be able to afford more than before.

>>69734936
it's not increase money supply
it's just putting welfare money faster into the market

>>69734756
Productive people are far more useful when you give them scope instead of forcing them to work shitty jobs, leaving them without energy or time.
Useless people will be useless whether or not they are making some greedy corporation rich or are unemployed, so it makes fuck all difference.
Basic universal income is really the ultimate stage a society can reach and is something all nations should be striving to be able to afford. If that means actually taxing those few percent who control the majority of a nations wealth, fucking good. The current state of "capitalism", as spearheaded by America, has been both a round failure but also a humanitarian crisis.

>Give me 1000-1200 Euro for doing nothing every month
That's cool but all it would take is several hundred individuals in a society to have the time to actually focus on things in order to create innovative breakthroughs. There are only a few thousand people, if that, who have made the greatest contributions to humanity and almost all of them were only able to do so because they were part of relative wealth and were able to focus on their study instead of slaving away like everyone else. All it would take is another Einstein or Hawking, Darwin or Newton and that alone would be worth the cost of financing a basic income for the entirety of Austria, Finland and Bulgaria because it would produce technology and innovation, in turn creating far more wealth and progress than those short term thinking fools who see something like a basic income merely as a dole to support useless indivduals such as yourself who will never produce anything of value to humanity regardless.

>>69734783
>You are being subsidized to do nothing.
95% of all people are useless. Imagine the positive impact on society if the country could afford to keep millions of people from driving to shitty workplaces every day. Massive environmental improvement and a giant well being improvement.

>>69734721
Hopefully no refugees hear about this
>"hey man, this Finland place sounds rich, maybe we should move there."

>>69734991
It could increase the money supply depending on how it's financed (through taxes or borrowing) and would probably increase the velocity of money since low-income people usually don't save much. Could be good though; must of Europe has excessively low inflation right now

>>69735016
there is spending pressure, the more one class of people buy the more other people buy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

>The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty". [1][2]

>>69734721
I liked to think it was reasonable when I was younger but now I think it is wishful thinking. Even if you can't do much you can still work with punishing or servicing or otherwise motivating the lazy ones who could make a difference.

If people could just sit on their arses then the money will lose value for the rich and they sure won't accept that but turn the ones at the bottom into a kind of psychosocial police force for them.

>>69734892

It's not for living on. It's literally free money to with as you please.

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>>69735115
stop being a fucking retard

>>69735002
Nah, too cold for them there. Today in the newspaper I read that refugees in Greece complain it's too cold with -20C and the government is inhumane for not caring.

>>69734721
>subsidy for existence
sure what could go wrong with that idea...

>>69735115
It IS for living on. The entire point of a basic income is to provide people with enough money to get by, no frills. Those who are working and earning a lot more than the basic income could use it as "free money" but realistically it will be of little consequence to them and it will just end up going straight back into the economy as being used for things like food, etc. basics.

>>69735229
Been putting up with 35+ days for 12 hours of the day, with 26~ degree lows for the past month and a few weeks here. Hot weather feels more inhuman than cold weather, regardless of whether the government sympathises or not.
Fuck the heat.

>>69734993
> subsidized to do nothing
It is not to do "nothing". If we toss them a bone of whom to harass they'd be more than happy to have that social inferiority complex fed. They do work as a psychosocial buffer to help regulate the smarties' behaviour. They may or may not be too dumb to realize it. Doesn't matter much as they don't have much choice anyway.

>>69735293
>It is not to do "nothing"
Never suggested that, in fact I argued that it would be the opposite if anything.

>>69735330
I know you did not say that. It was a response to the other guy you replied to. I just wanted to clarify on the response.

>>69734721
The age of the NEET is upon us!

>Hurr durr why get paid to do nothing
Every developed country already has unemployment benefits, universal income just simplifies the system.

>>69735472
Basic income would cost vastly more than unemployment benefit tho

>>69735549
there is a vast bureaucracy with unemployment benefits, health food housing etc

you don't with basic income

>>69735549
That depends on many different factors, friendo. imagine if you axed 90+% of the department of social security or whatever it is you have, how much money would that free up?

>>69735625
Depending on the size of the basic income it could cost less the entire existing welfare state, maybe (but probably not.) It would definitely cost more than just unemployment insurance which is a tiny fraction of overall spending

>>69734898
Why? Are the Somalis taking all the jobs?

>>69735657
Obviously no government would pursue it unless it was cost effective. The developed world probably needs at least 10-20 more years of productivity improvements before it becomes wide-scale feasible.

>>69735472
No it doesn't just simplify anything. Universal income is universal while unemployment benefits aren't.

Who would want it to be simpler?

Are those people usually in charge?

>>69735625
It's not about money, It's about control.

>>69735802
>>69735786
The only way to truly free yourself is to end your life.

>>69735838
Hah. Do your worst.

>>69734721
Dude this is what they did here

you get money per kid
money per pregnancy
money per unemployment
money per being married and be under certain treshold
money per kid that goes to school
you essentially dont pay taxes eitehr

and of course they make it so only niggers can get them or if you are almost poor you get almost nothing

you know what was the end result? We got utterly flooded with subhumans

rip Finland

>>69735925
isn't Macri cutting them programs ?

My dad was un Buenos Aires and La Plata in december and he keeps whining about muh return of fascism muh poor people muh bolivarism.

i want to be a finn also

>>69734721

That's great news and all but what about the migrants?

>>69735969
no he raised them but its by law proportionally due to devaluation they get less but its said that 30% of the GDP goes to all sort of welfare programs (included energy subsidies for everyone tho)

I think theres 10-15 million or so people workign and the rest are all on welfare

Pls gibbe citizenship

Do people really believe it is great to be a NEET living from basic income?
You are gonna still be pretty poor, and your social standing will be really low, people will look down on you and now girl will ever want to fugg you

>>69736113
Share up, I work and I'm fucking poor, socially low and etc (yes, I DO have a degree).

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>>69736063
I thought macri would make all the bolitas leave

>>69736139
but everybody in your country is poor, meaning people dont look down on you, and you still can get laid

>>69736113
People who have those social things as main drivers are rarely any skilled anyway.

>>69735662
No but fennoswedes and swedes are taking them. It's swedes in general that is keeping Finland alive.

>>69735372
Fair enough, I thought so as much but sometimes it can be ambiguous with direct post quoting. Thanks for the clarification of the clarification.

>>69736151
One can only hope they kinda tested grounds on that by mentioning immigrants for the first time in tv for who knows how many years and some senator who got fired for saying essentially all the shitholes send us the niggers they dont want .

So far he has done jack shit against that

we'll have to see what happens after the legislative elections since peronists have majority in both chambers

>>69736113
>people will look down on you and now girl will ever want to fugg you
This is bullshit, the only thing that matters in that regard is your face

>>69736180
Wrong. I am software engineer, so people are mostly disgusted by me when they find out where I work.

>>69736239
so you imply women dont care about money and social status?

The thing with these experiments is that they only put welfare leeches on basic income. And then judge the trial by that.

>>69735925
That is ENTIRELY different. This is a basic, UNIVERSAL income which does not discriminate based on circumstance.

>>69736264
For having sex? No, not at all. The only thing a job is good for is paying for your wife's son

>>69736113
I am neet and I earn money with csgo/dota skins also have a bf who is a very cute trap :3

>>69736262
>I am software engineer, so people are mostly disgusted by me when they find out where I work.
why?

>>69736239
Yes you are right. But that is not the point. The point is that sex and social are distractions from becoming any good at what you do.

>>69736282
They want to do a trial in some Dutch cities as well.
But the only ones who qualify are long term neets.

What kind of trial is that?

>>69736239
>your height
ftfy

>>69734756
fucking retard

>>69736113
You're a massive normalfag.

>>69736294
You're just a massive faggot, I guess.

>>69736288
No no

dude

For example here we have something called "universal assignation per kid" but they twist it so that if you are middle class barely above the treshold to poverty (keep in mind everything is skewed to hide the numbers) You get almost nothing

if you are a subhuman nigger bolivian you get way more

Thats just the title they are going to fuck over actual Finnish people

>>69736316
Face > Height >= Frame

>>69736356
No no dude, that isn't remotely like the basic income that is being trialled in the OP.
>if you are a subhuman nigger bolivian you get way more
That's nice but it's also entirely fucking irrelevant because as I already pointed out, the way they are trialling the basic income is entirely non-discriminatory. That means everyone gets the fucking same regardless.

>>69736295
>Ha, look, computer monkey, do you want a banana?
>he's spending all his life at the keyboard, such a loser
>developer? Oh, man, I'm sorry. Not everyone in this world borns smart. I'm so sorry for you.

>>69736461
wow, sounds like computer scientists are really underappreciated in Poland
Why don't you move to another EU country, where your profession is more appreciated? I am sure that as a software engineer, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to find a job

>>69736396
Thats nice but im telling you they said the EXACT SAME THINGS here and look how it ended up as i described

They are going to give this to all the niggers and when an actual finish dude applies they are going to say, you have a car or a house TV or wealthy family or whatever excuse to prevent the finnish dude from getting it

In this test they are going to select people who they know they wont fuck up and then use that as a proof to ruin everything

>B-but they are not a corrupt shithole
they are letting thousands of criminals into their countries thats not normal

>>69736508
Oh come on. This is a big proxy zoo. Has always been.

>>69736508
I have no money on moving. Even if I'd find a job there, I won't be able to pay a deposit and rent for first month in another country.

>>69736695
You could ask your familiy for help.
Or safe some money
Or take a loan

Also, I think in Germany you are legally allowed to pay the deposite in three month rates. At least this was in my contract and I took use of it

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>>69736294
sven living the life.

>>69734721
hope muh porn game devs can get this so they finally get something done

>>69734721
basic income sucks ass
only 560 euros while i get 1200 euros being NEET
FUCK BASIC INCOME