>Russians(Muscovites) think they are the only legitimate descendants

>>69613398
>implying it's not truth

>>69613421
>they actually believe it
i guess muscovite propaganda had succeeded

>>69613398
>Kievan RUS
>I-It's not Russian I swear we are totally not an artificial state for cheap cigs and whores
Our most embarrassing neighbor and that says a lot

>>69614590
Rus is as "Russian" as Ukrainian or Belarussian.

Russia derives from Ruthenia, Rus but it wasn't the only part of it
Red Ruthenia - Ukraine
White Rus - Belarus

>>69613398
>>69613542
>>69615371

cuck

>>69615728
shoo shoo kremlinbot

>>69615807

Make me, cuck.

>>69613398
Rus had a lot of capitals: Moscow, Vladimir, Kiev, Novgod, Ladoga. Peoples of Ukraine: Rusyns(Golitsyns or Red Russians), Malorussians, Novorussians. Golitsyns are Russian people that partialy exterminated in Polish concentration camps at time WWI. Malorussians always has been Russians, they called theirself Russians until 1991. Novorussians are Russians that are living on modern Ukraine territory since 1917.

>>69616445
Rus =/= Russia

>>69616563
Rus+Peter's I reforms = Russia with capital St. Petersburg.

>>69616563

cuck

>>69616656
Russia is just one of many successors to the Kievan Rus' stop claiming your monopoly

>>69616911
>many successors
They're all Russians.

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>>69613421
Wasn't all the civilization based around Kiev?

Where is Kiev now?

Hmm that really made me think.

>>69616911

cuck

>>69617025
no, they are Belarussians, Russians and Ukrainians

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>>69617133
>>69617186
>>69616714
>>69615728
>>69615968

KEK KEK KEK KEKEEEREEEEEKEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>69617173

cuck

>>69613398
Well we all know that Moscow was given power over the real Russians by the Mongolss.

>>69617270
>>69617273
>>69617366
cuck

>>69615807

not kremlinbot

just concern private citizen

>>69617402
Yes you are you little Mongol bitchboy.

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>>69617402
no, you!

>>69617426
>>69617443
cuck

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All of you are bad.

>>69617085
Vladimir has become capital of Rus. Mongol-Tatar yoke had attacked. Then Kiev principality was destroyed.
>>69617173
>Ukrainians
Malorussians.

>>69617486

nothing wrong with concern private citizen

>>69617085
As much Novogrodian as Kievan

>First Russian state
>Is named Khaganate
Can't make this shit up. Just admit your steppe overlords. TURKED

>>69614590
Communist historians made up Kievan RUS for Muscovite purposes.

>>69615371
Rus comes from Swedish. Muscovites are fake degenerates that pull various thiefs and murderers together. The Slavic culture in the current area of Russia has nothing to do with the Katsap Federation. Novgorodians are rolling in their graves.

>>69617486
Moscow elite have Mongol blood in them

>Yury of Moscow ingratiated himself into the favor of Uzbeg so that he appointed him chief of the Rus' princes and gave him his sister, Konchak, in marriage. After spending three years at Uzbeg's court, Yury returned with an army of Mongols and Mordvins

r*ssia needs to be broken and neutered like germany, with lots of rape and mass murder

>>69613398
Kiev was destroyed by mongols. Novgorod is the only true successor.

The Mongols empowered Moscow

>first Uzbeg did not want to empower Moscow. In 1327, the Baskaki Shevkal, cousin of Uzbeg, arrived in Tver from the Horde, with a large retinue. They took up residence at Aleksander's palace. Rumors spread that Shevkal wanted to occupy the throne for himself and introduce Islam to the city. When, on 15 August 1327, the Mongols tried to take a horse from a deacon named Dyudko, he cried for help and a mob of furious people fell on the Tatars and killed them all. Shevkal and his remaining guards were burnt alive. Thus Uzbeg Khan began backing Moscow as the leading Russian state. Ivan I Kalita was granted the title of grand prince and given the right to collect taxes from other Russian potentates. The Khan also sent Ivan at the head of an army of 50,000 soldiers to punish Tver.

Uzberg was also the guy that made the Mongol state religion islam. That's why Putin loves Muslims so much

>>69617714
>>69617657
cuck

>>69617714
Such are fate of invaders is liberation from Russia the only true answer.

>>69617714
Charles De Gaulle said that Russia ends in the Urals and Russia should free their colonies like France did with Algeria.

That way we could welcome Russia in the European family and this passing phase of selfharm Russian imperialism would be over.

>Janibeg sponsored joint Mongol-Rus' military expeditions against Lithuania and Poland. In 1344 his army marched against Poland with auxiliaries from Galicia–Volhynia, as Volhynia was part of Lithuania. In 1349, however, Galicia–Volhynia was occupied by a Polish-Hungarian force, and the Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia was finally conquered and incorporated into Poland. This act put an end to the relationship of vassalage between the Galicia–Volhynia Rus' and the Golden Horde.[66]

The Black Death of the 1340s was a major factor contributing to the economic downfall of the Golden Horde. Janibeg abandoned his father's Balkan ambitions and backed Moscow against Lithuania and Poland.

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TIL Russia is rightful Ukrainian clay

>>69617963
why
>Be Kievan
>Be Polish bitch boy
>Be Moscovite
>Use mongols
>Genocide mongols
>Beat Novogrodians
>Lose then beat Poles
>Lose then beat Swedes
>End up in power of the largest state in the world from a small principality
Muscovite history is quite intresting

>B-but the russians broke free from the Mongols as soon as they had guns reeeeee

No not at all putin shills

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Moscow_(1382)

>>69618208
>genocide
>use

What reality do you live in

Russia's national hero was a vassal to the Mongols

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Nevsky

rose to legendary status on account of his military victories over German and Swedish invaders while agreeing to pay tribute to the powerful Golden Horde.

>>69613398
>rebellious province
I can see why.

>>69618417
There are instances of both. I dont want to discuss history with an American as they dont understand reality before 1776

>>69618692
The talk of a moron with nothing better to say

>>69617657
>Rus comes from Swedish.
Can you give me a source please?
>Muscovites are fake degenerates that pull various thiefs and murderers together.
I love you too.
>The Slavic culture in the current area of Russia has nothing to do with Katsap Federation.
Current area of Russia exist since 1991. Russian federation was USSR, Russian Empire, Tsarist Rus, Moskovian Rus, Vladimir's Rus, Kievan Rus, Novgorod's Rus.
>Novgorodians are rolling in their graves.
All the Rus rulers before and including Ivan the Terrible were Rurik's dynasty princes. They were relatives. Novgorod principality ruled by Rus during: 862 — 882. I don't see the reason to rolling Rurik in grave. He is the founder of the Rurikovich's dynasty. Rus achieved The great success by descendants of Rurik. It's became Tsarist Rus. Then Peter I from the Romanov dynasty made by inner reforms Russian Empire.
>>69617714
You so kind.
>>69617963
>TIL Ukraine is rightful Russian clay

>>69617930
whats the point of welcoming russia if they dont have all the clay with the juicy natural resources anymore?

>>69618548
He had 2 choises
Cuckolicism which means culture defeat or mongols who need just money

>>69617963
>TIL
Fuck off back to plebbit and fucking say there, fucking faggot

>>69613398
> >Russians(Muscovites) think they are the only legitimate descendants of Russian Empire therefore Poland is just a rebellious province

>>69617492
Gimnar Axebattle
more like gaymar assbattle lmao

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>>69617657
So you could say it's a kievan ruse

>>69619886
Or he could fight both

>>69617657
"Kievan Rus" was invented earlier and it is just a term for time period. There are terms for other "Ruses".

>>69613398
Rus wasn't only Kievan, you just stick to period term. Russians are not only descendants, but what you legitimate - yes. Who else? Moscow became the biggest, all others got conquered.

>>69619535
>Can you give me a source please?
you don't even know where the name of your country comes from ? you are that brainwashed?

According to the most prominent theory, the name Rus', like the Finnish name for Sweden (Ruotsi), is derived from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-) as rowing was the main method of navigating the rivers of Eastern Europe, and that it could be linked to the Swedish coastal area of Roslagen (the rowing crews) or Roden, as it was known in earlier times.[5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_(name)

>>69622193
>Russians are not only descendants, but what you legitimate - yes. Who else? Moscow became the biggest, all others got conquered.
>>69622193
typical r*ssian scum understanding only language of power

>yeah we conquered them once therefore we are the only """"legitimate"""" overlords of eastern europe, ukrainians have no right for self determination

it's just incredible how brainwashed into imperialism you russians are

>>69623095
> you are that brainwashed?
Every person from birth has brains to wash them. There are many theories about the origin of this word. I'm interested to know his pan-Slavic point of view.

>>69623210
Everyone has a theoretical basis on which he is based. you aren't an exception with your Panslavism.

>>69621775
No he couldnt

>>69624344
He could've. He was just too busy fellating his Mongol overlords

>>69623095
>>69623210

cuck

Why you're so butthurt about Russia, guys?

>>69625272
I'm just discrediting putinboos that don't know history

>>69625411
>fighting on the internet
Yeah, go get em'! Lol.
Good night.

> v r y o t i

>>69625609
Can't fight them irl if i don't know where they live.

>>69625272
they interfere with American elections