>your face when AfD loses >your face when National Front

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>your face when Trump won

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>>69497338

>>69497149
There is no way AfD can get more than 50 percent. But they could form an opposition about 20% at best.

>>69497338
He just said some racist stuff to get elected by gullible retards and fill the government with Jews and bankers

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>>69497338
>controlled opposition won

>>69497464
>But they could form an opposition about 20% at best.
Giving them what? I recall AfD got a hefty sum in the recent elections.

What good are they if they cant choose their PM?

>>69497503
Trump literally never said anything racist.

That's a typical leftist lie perpetrated by the media to make him look bad. Luckily it failed

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>>69497542
>mistaking Bernie Sanders and Jeb Bush with the almighty Trumpf king.

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>>69497149
I will be happy
I support a strong and independant EU.
Nationalistic populist would ruin my dream of living in a strong empire

>>69497544
They just got some decent seats in the parliaments of some Bumdesländer (Basically states like in the US) In the federal election they will probably get about 15-20%.

>>69497648
>I support a strong and independant EU.
Wont that be easier with successful member states?

>>69497733
>In the federal election they will probably get about 15-20%.
So they will be toothless or what? Will any other political party in German ally with them?

>>69497819
yes, but i have little confidence in the ability of populists to make a member states successful
And if le Pen gets elected, EU is pretty much over

>>69497819
Short answer is no.

The SPD/Green/Communist are trying to form their own government. So that's a no

The CDU tries to do it preferably alone or with the market liberals ( The liberals are probably the most. "American" party)

Maybe in an super unlikely scenario CDU and AfD team up but I don't believe in this.

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>>69497940
>but i have little confidence in the ability of populists to make a member states successful
Cant be any worse than it is now, right?

>>69497999
anon, we are one of the countries with the best quality of life in the whole world.
So yes, I believe it could get much worse than now

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>>69497998
>The SPD/Green/Communist are trying to form their own government
>The CDU tries to do it preferably alone or with the market liberals
>So that's a no
So will the fuhrer continue her reign? Or is she unpopular enough to be removed?

>>69498088
>we are one of the countries with the best quality of life in the whole world.
Whose going to creep up on you?

>>69497338
>80% chance for hillary

>>69498113
First that's a nice meme.
Second she's still popular enough to pull it off. Especially when people don't want a lefty government. I think though that the CDU is going to be more conservative in the future to counter the AfD and the leftists.

Wilders is polling ahead, the rest aren't.

>>69498240
Please tell us what popular conception is like in Germany.

Are polls claiming accurate representation? Are media outlets shilling for one candidate? Are people claiming Russia is influencing your elections?

>>69498259
>I think though that the CDU is going to be more conservative in the future to counter the AfD and the leftists.
So they will remove her to appease the people, would be a good gesture.

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>>69497338
>yfw brexit

>>69498311
>Are people claiming Russia is influencing your elections?
Didn't the CIA say they were?

>>69498424
That was US elections, I have heard that similar allegations have been made as to Russia interfering in EU elections.

>>69498311
our media is pretty leftist, but nobody is really shilling for Merkel.
It is just that there is no other candidate who could be a viable alternative to her.

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>>69498499
>It is just that there is no other candidate who could be a viable alternative to her.
How could that be? Not 1 person in Germany is viable to replace the refugee queen?

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>>69497149
European parties don't "win" in the way Republicans or Democrats do.

>your face when AfD loses
They currently have no seats. Taking a few seats sends a message, and pulls the major parties in their direction. If the CDU loses 5 or 10 seats to the AfD, they'll be forced to move closer to an anti-immigration stance to win those seats back. This is what happened with the Tories offering a Brexit referendum to take back voters from UKIP.

>your face when National Front loses
This would actually be a good thing, because they'd never get the votes for Le Pen to be President, and they'd otherwise take votes from Fillon, who represents the most right-wing faction of Les Républicains.

>your face when Wilders loses
I'm sure worldwide conservatism will be reeling when it fails to control of the Dutch parliament.

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>>69498575
You dont seem very enthusiastic...

>>69498550
Well, merkel was the leader of her party for so long that she removed anybody who could oppose her.
And the other big party in Germany, SPD, was the junior member in government coalition last 4 years. They didn't really have a moment to shine in those past years, and it so happens that they have no charismatic leaders at the moment.

>>69498665
Find someone, find anyone.

>>69498550
Well obviously you can't vote for the communists except you are from east Germany. That leaves you with the greens wich are basically a joke of a polo party wich leaves you with the social democrats who's candidate is a fat fucking idiot. So it's CDU aka Merkel or AfD. It's sad.

>>69498743
she isn't really that bad
sure, she fucked up during the refugee crisis, but apart from that, she is a pretty capable politician, if a bit bland

>>69498767
*political

>>69498647
I'm realistic about the constraints of parliamentary democracy and the mindset of continental Europeans.

I'd love to see an AfD-governed Germany, Marion Le Pen as Présidente and Nigel Frage as British PM.

>>69498767
>So it's CDU aka Merkel or AfD. It's sad.
Vote for the fat guy, you shouldnt reward failures of CDU and Merkel.

>>69498777
Germans really do love bland, boring, dreary, gray, no fun types huh?

>>69498812
Nige still has to dismantle EU from within before he can ascend to PM.

>>69498812
To be fair there are some super spergs in the AfD you don't want in a position of power. I would prefer a coalition of CDU and AfD but that seems impossible.

>>69498890
the fat guy was in the government together with merkel when refugee crisis happend.
And since his party is a biti left winged, they are naturally more pro refugee than the right wing CDU

>>69498890
Problem is that the fat guy is vice chancellor and leader of the coalition party so it's his fault as well.

>>69497587
>Trump literally never said anything racist
(You)

>>69498890
It's true or political culture is quiet boring compared to the US.

>>69497587
Based

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>>69498980
Fuck so you literally cant punish Merkel for refugee situation and violence? wtf

>>69499051
Okay then give me ONE racist quote from him during his campaign and I will literally paypal you $100

>>69499079
No, unless we vote for AFD majority
But those guys are currently facing major internal struggle, and they were never in a position of power so we have no idea if they are actually capable to lead a country

>>69499079
You can vote for the AfD. To be fair this is the only reason I would vote for them as I would normally vote for the CDU.

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>>69497149
>your face when AfD loses
>your face when National Front loses
>your face when Wilders loses

Meme parties getting btfod, nice

>>69498890
She might be boring, but she did actually a good job during the financial crisis when all countries went downhill except ours. She acted with her own feelings during the refugee crisis, this was a mistake. But she can't go back now, she can just try to fix it or she has to resign. And they try to.

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>>69499149
>But those guys are currently facing major internal struggle
Are they REALLY in a struggle or is that the same struggle US Republicans were in leading up to a landslide?

>>69499202
Germans should never act upon feeling. They should remain emotionless vassals.

>>69499317
They having massive problems with the leadership of the party. But that's something the party members have to decide via voting.

>>69499409
So they arent all behind that fascist dike lady with the short dark hair?

>>69499317
I am not currently following their polticis, so I am not really sure, maybe another German can answere that question.
But I do remember, that not long ago, they had an internal struggle between economical eurosceptics and right wings, and the right wings won.
And as far as I know, currently there is a struggle between more radical and more moderate right wing

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>>69499447
The party consists of an anti Euro core, which consists of alot of old conservatives also from CDU and a more rightist core.

>>69498890
Didn't Nigel retire?

>>69499464
Here in America we know Donald Trump is about us first.

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Forgot pic

>>69499558
Yep right after the brexit he left off

>>69499454
>they had an internal struggle between economical eurosceptics and right wings, and the right wings won.
What does that mean? Right wing arent eurosceptics?

>>69499558
I thought he was returning to Brussels to negotiate their leave.

>>69497648
>strong union
>few migrants have to be stopped by balkan nations because the EU is afraid to put its foot down

>>69499662
The eurosceptics were against the EU from an economical point of view, they thought it was a bad deal for Germany, especially the Euro.

The right wing are more about refugees and stuff, and while they are critical of the current form of EU, they dont want to dismantel it or anything.

>>69499662
They are Euro sceptical and right wing whereas the the other were only euro sceptical.

>>69497149
wilders is a literal jew shill

We don't care about Geert as much as you think we do.

>>69499855
>>69499819
So there really are leftist Eurosceptics?

What exactly is their position? Shouldnt they be feeling high and mighty for helping smaller, poorer EU nations?

>>69499876
>>69499896
Then why did he face hate crime charges?

>>69499902
Are you honestly this retarded? In Britain the current labour leader is a bigger eurosceptic than the PM.

>>69499937
>In Britain the current labour leader is a bigger eurosceptic than the PM.
Did I ask about Britain or UK?

>>69499934
He did?

>>69499902
Super leftists and communists yes. I bet they see it as a tool to suppress other nations.

>>69499963
>are there really leftist eurosceptics
It's fairly common across Europe you mong.

>>69499934
said somr meanie things about muslims
I dont think Americans realise that they're literally the only country with free speech
In Europe you're walking on eggshells when you say things against a specific group

>>69499902
It's not useless to be in a union. It doesn't mean they are leftist. The idea to found the united states wheren't communist thoughts either.

>Voting for far-right nationalist parties because of feels

>Doesn't realize many have shitty economic policies that fucks shit up in the long run.

>>69499971
He said something about Morocco and was convicted of hate crimes i thought?

>>69500005
>It's fairly common across Europe you mong
Then what is the leftists thinking for leaving? Economics? What? They obviously don't mind immigration lax.

>>69500038
>The idea to found the united states wheren't communist thoughts either.
Most certainly wasnt.

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>>69499617
>He thinks Trump made Ford invest in the USA

Wew lad

>>69500057
""""center"""" parties are all literally the cause of all the things that have caused the far right to grow becaude they won't take a hard stance on ANYTHING

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>>69500099
>He thinks Trump made Ford invest in the USA
No I dont.

>>69500032
>In Europe you're walking on eggshells when you say things against a specific group
Even when its not about Europeans?

He said shit about Moroccans I thought?

>>69499902
Leftists view the EU as a neoliberal, free market political entity, with imperialistic undertones. I think they agree with it in principle, i.e. a big, powerful supranational government, but disagree with the EU's free-trade agenda. Corbyn, for example, said he supported an EU, but not this EU.

Conservatives disagree with it more in principle, on nationalist and sovereignty grounds.

>>69500032
Seconded. The US is the only western country where free speech comes without the caveat that "hate speech isn't free speech."

>>69500057
>Doesn't realize many have shitty economic policies that fucks shit up in the long run
None of which you named in specifics.

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>>69500200
Regardless, there will be millions of retards who will believe this on a whim because of:

>American Education

>>69499902
i would say, they were more of libertarians, rather than leftists
And they believed that it really hurt Germany to give up the strong DM and replace it with €

>>69500236
>Conservatives disagree with it more in principle
What a load of bullshit. It's not protectionism when I do it! Right wingers are even more hypocritical considering they couldn't stop beating the freer the market the freer the people garbage for decades.

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>>69500236
Well let's start with the elephant in the room, the fact some parties, particularly the National Front in France, want to change the constitution and hold a referendum 6 months afterwards in order to leave the EU. They also propose a new national currency in order to pay off the debt but don't have any details on how the fuck they will do that.


Also Brexit, fucking Brexit. That alone just shows how deluded and uncoordinated political populism is in action. Theresa May has no plan whatsoever and basically hides it behind catchy slogans. Literally no different from many of the other right wing nationalist parties across Europe.

>>69500256
Nobody thinks Trump is making companies invest in the USA.

The market has shifted and Americans want their products to be made in the USA, we are willing to pay a premium for that product. The market has spoken.

>>69500236
>>69500282
Seems like both were right, EU hurts Germany. I hope they can come together and reform it.

>>69500228
like most countries will have an amendment in their constitution about free speech but it will always say "except hate speech of course!". And obviously hate speech will be decided by whoever is in power.

The irish constistition even says no speech that "undermines public order or morality or the authority of the state." Its not free speech at all

but yeah we all know the double standards and nobody will be arrested for saying things about Europeans, only nonwhites

>>69500400
I agreed, the market has spoken. The fact is the US dollar value is so fucking high right now that we can import everything cheaply and consumer markets benefit as such...until inflation begins to take its toll.

>Nobody thinks Trump is making companies invest in the USA.

You're way too optimistic about the intelligence of the average American.

>>69500400
>the market has spoken
Delusional, how free is this market with all of Trump's proposed import tarrifs and protectionist threats?

>>69497464
Which honestly would do nothing based on my experience of Sweden. SD (our AFD) got 25-30% and is still ignored. The other parties literally don't even interact with them.

>>69500392
FN are already saying they want a reformed Europe, they wont leave the EU.
They would leave the eurozone which is only a positive because Germany uses it to cuck everyone else in the eurozone

>>69500478
>how free is this market with all of Trump's proposed import tarrifs and protectionist threats?
Because the USA is ~free~ to make its own decisions about taxation and tarrifs.

Even the Founding Fathers allotted that power to the federal government.

>>69500474
You're are too pessimistic. Trump's not even President, he hasn't forced anyone to do anything.

Companies see the $$ in staying in the US finally because they can afford to. The democrats put obstacles up to prevent this.

>>69500556
It's funny because the French talked us into accepting the euro trying to weaken us. But yeah still sorry.

>>69500531
How comes that? Are they super right or are the other just delusional? Have the conservatives at least moved right?

>>69500594
>Because the USA is ~free~ to make its own decisions about taxation and tarrifs.
That's a fairly leftist stance, which is great imo because american libertarians are equal parts retarded and dangerous.

>>69500594
>Companies see the $$ in staying in the US finally because they can afford to. The democrats put obstacles up to prevent this.


No, because the United States Dollar's value is stupidly high right now and consumers are spending more than ever. I don't recall any recent policies the Democrats could freely implement lately that hindered the economy. Also tariffs are an impediment on the economy, that you cannot deny. Also trade wars fucks all sorts of shit up.

>>69500661
>because the French talked us into accepting the euro

are you fucking kidding me

>>69500823
It's true. Same goes for the EU.

>>69500661
Nah m8 this is Sweden, they're like any other party except they want to stop all refugees from coming and are civic nationalists (whatever it means). They wouldn't even be radical in most places.

They're still ignored because every other party want uncontrolled immigration. We don't have any conservative party, the mainstream two sides are liberals and socialists.

>>69500342
>What a load of bullshit.
Very academic tone.

>Right wingers are even more hypocritical considering they couldn't stop beating the freer the market the freer the people garbage for decades
I love free-trade. Most conservatives do. However, first, the price of the EU's free trade is your national sovereignty and the integrity of your borders. Second, the EU only provides for intra-European free trade. It actually prohibits you from signing free-trade agreements with nations outside the EU, without their assent. The "EU is the bastion of free-trade" argument is so woefully shortsighted. This relates again to the sovereignty issue.

>>69500478
>>69500342
Stop conflating Trumpism and conservatism. Trump is a closet leftist.

>>69500392
>want to change the constitution and hold a referendum 6 months afterwards in order to leave the EU.
When will this "you'll starve without the EU" argument go away? EU countries, especially us and the French, will be queuing up to sign trade agreements with the UK. Do you think that France, the entire middle of Europe, isn't going to have people begging to set up free trade if they left the EU?

>They also propose a new national currency
Isn't that the fault of the pro-European politicians who signed up to a currency they had limited control over in the first place? The GBP has been stronger than euro forever, but I guess they were stupid for maintaining their own currency, huh?

>Also Brexit, fucking Brexit.
Very academic tone. Why do you people get so flustered? Is it in lieu of coherent arguments?

>That alone just shows how deluded and uncoordinated political populism is in action.
It's only populism when you don't agree with it. Popular sovereignty makes all politics inherently populist.

>>69500855
Yeah we did it, look how well we fared, you're just a poor victim

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>>69500761
>That's a fairly leftist stance
You havent provided an alternative.

'tariffs and protectionism are bad because its mean!'

Tariffs have saved US companies from utter annihilation in the past.

Its ridiculously ignorant to claim its not 'free' to enjoy your own economic model.

>>69500779
>I don't recall any recent policies the Democrats could freely implement lately that hindered the economy.
Try Obamacare?

>United States Dollar's value is stupidly high right now and consumers are spending more than ever.
You havent linked that to anything. Thats a good thing.

Its not a trade war because we dont get offered anything except products that are just as expensive as when they were made in the US.

>>69500959
Went well for us after all. We should thank France for it.

>>69500968
>Obamacare impedes the economy

Wat

>>69500968
I said it's a good solution and I'm glad libertarianism is a dying ideology. But it's not "free market" thinking at all. Claiming otherwise is disingenuous.

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>>69501034
Ok you're obviously just trolling or have never owned a business with more than 14 employees.

>>69501071
You think the average anon here has owned a business employing 14 people?

>>69501010
tbqh we have no idea. Maybe the populists are right.

>>69501063
>But it's not "free market" thinking at all.
"Free market" doesn't mean void of taxes or tariffs or revenue for your government.

"Free market" means each nation or country or state or whatever has the ~freedom~ to operate its economy how it chooses.

That means if you want 0 taxes or if you want a state run oil monopoly; thats your 'free' choice to do so.

>>69501109
No one here ever will with Obamacare continuing.

>>69501071
Yeah but that's the micro perspective. Macro wise, Obamacare has actually been good for the economy.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-has-been-good-for-the-economy-2016-5

>>69498113
She's in the comfortable position that she can chose her allies. Out of the parties that might get into parliament, the only ones that will not go into a coalition with the CDU are die Linke (the left) and the AfD. Those two are not going to go above 50%, so Merkel can just pick enough other parties (SPD, Grüne, FDP) and continue on her merry way.

>>69501155
>http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-bader/obamacare-reduced-employment-and-shrank-economy
Anyone can find an article that agrees with them.

Its clear Obamacare has been hindering the economy.

>>69501153
>"Free market" doesn't mean void of taxes or tariffs or revenue for your governmen
>That means if you want 0 taxes or if you want a state run oil monopoly; thats your 'free' choice to do so.

Lol that's not what the free market means at all. But hey I'm fine with a name change as long as the actual cancerous but correct definition is relegated to the dustbin of history.

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>>69501265
>that's not what the free market means at all
Yes, it is.

>>69501345
>free market is a system in which the prices for goods and services are determined by the open market and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority
>by a government

>>69497503
But he never actually said anything racist... It's almost like people only listen to bullshit others say and don't do any research themselves...

>>69501425
>free market is a system in which the prices for goods and services are determined by the open market and consumers
Thats exactly what I just said.

If consumers want government regulation and control, that is also a 'free market'. It was choice of the people.

Get over it, Trump hasn't closed any markets; they are just as free as the previous 8 years-20 years.

>>69501520
Its objectively not, because change was done through legislation as opposed to market forces.

>>69501547
You're assuming that.

Just because a sector of economy was seized by government doesn't mean it ignores markets or prices or demand. Market forces could force something into the hands of the general public (government).

You're imposing that view yourself.

>>69501632
I'm not imposing any view. This is what free market proposers such as Friedman set as the definition. I think it's a silly fantasy concept, but that's how that silly fantasy concept is defined.

>>69501684
You clearly didn't get the full understanding if you think people making choices about the products they buy and who they buy them from isn't free market.

>Tariffs have saved US companies from utter annihilation in the past
[citation needed]
In any case, it's unworkable in the modern era. The USA and every other country for that matter simply lacks the resources to be fullly self-sufficient. Specialization and global trade started for this reason, not because some jewish cabal suddenly decided to fuck over the midwest and move all the steel production to China or whatever ridiculous conspiracy you believe. Your tariffs aren't going to accomplish anything but pissing off your trade partners, who will in turn put up tariffs of their own, and increasing expenses for companies that have already outsourced production, who will in turn pass those costs on to consumers or cut their losses and shut down entirely, eliminating the jobs they still had in the US.

>>69501733
Not when they set up legislative barriers or demand government intervention no matter how popular. Take it up with the freidman or ayn rand institute if it bothers you that much.

>>69501782
>The USA and every other country for that matter simply lacks the resources to be fullly self-sufficient.
Why are anti-Trump fanatics so willfully ignorant?

1. That's not true
2. See Harley Davidson

>>69501824
They aren't the only people to write about free markets.

If you can't do anything it regergiate what others have pontificated about free markets then you can't be helped.

>>69501632
>>69501917
You've just been describing and defending market socialism this whole time but calling it free market capitalism. Look you'll eventually realize and when you do I hope you're not super asspained.

>>69502023
>You've just been describing and defending market socialism
I haven't defending anything.

You're assuming that because of a post about Trump keeping jobs in the USA.

It's not 'free market' to be destroyed because 'ayn rand and Friedman (the only free market writers I've seen) say tariffs and taxes and borders have no place in free markets'.