What is needed to make Latin America descent by European standards?

it will never happen because USA will not let them

>>69005782
Hopefully the Donald will install some far right dictatorships in Latin America

That should fix everything

>>69005782
>What made the gap of economic growth between S.Korea, Germany, Japan and Latin America?
you bastards were american bases for the war against communism

así cualquiera

Geography is fucked up, at least here

>>69005782
in our case is overthrow our commie ass government and completely reform the country

>>69005834
the only thing fucked up about our geography is that we're too far away from the action, too irrelevant

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>>69005782

more helicopters

Stop communism and corruption, that's literally all we need

I never understood why you guys aren't just one big country. I mean hell you all speak the same language (except Brazil). Why make so many countries out of spanish colonies?

>>69005944
That's the same question I have for Ex-Yugoslavian countries.

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>>69005782
>I'm really curious what was the difference.

Focus on producing value added products using high tech skills

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>>69005958
Well, what could go wrong?

>>69005829
Was being american bases that beneficial?
also Japan and Germany lost fucktons of money, lives, factories by WW2.

>>69005782
The US didn't stay here to develop after invading. They did in Germany, Japan and South Korea as to prevent you guys from chimping out again because they learned their lesson with Germany after WW1.

>>69005931
Yes. But the U.S. likes us to be dependant of them.

>>69006034
but Japan and Germany lost fucktons of money, lives, factories by WW2 at the same time.
Does it really worth being totally destroyed by wars?

>>69005958
I reckoned you might ask me that. While I have to agree, it's in our mentality to hate each other. We tried and it didn't work out. Not to mention, 2 out 6 republics spoke different languages.

>>69006101
Yes, that's very beneficial.

How much money did Americans give to Japan after WWII?

>>69005993
your economy sky rocketed thanks to the US literally giving you a shit ton of money and infrastrucutre.

latinamericans weren't that lucky since they had a communist-like ideologie back then

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>>69006129
[citation needed]

again I have no intention to offend Latinos.

>>69006101
And after you lost fucktons of money, lives, factories, etc. the US stayed there to develop and pump money into you.

Was it worth it? No, but you didn't stay in the mud because they took you out of it trying to prevent another dictator to rise and claim that the allies were evel. Basically, they were trying to prevent another war.

The parts in Germany that were given to the Soviet Union didn't do so well until the Soviet Union fall, now did they. And North Korea is one of the biggest shitholes in the world. Guess what they have in common: the US didn't help them out of the mud, unlike you.

>>69006192
who sauces in 4chan?

>>69005806
Exactly, why work when you can just blame America for all your problems? That's what the Venezuelans are doing and it works fine!

>>69006076
The US would like nothing more than for Latin America to be a bunch of good capitalists who don't smuggle drugs into our country. If Latin America could become Europe 2.0, everyone in America would be really happy.

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>>69006182
>back then

>>69005782
It is shit because the people make it shit.

I don't get the question but S.Korea, Germany, Japan are puppet states of the burgers. Their interventionism and capitalist policies in general boost the development and economy of these countries.

>>69006034
>The US didn't stay here to develop after invading.

That's kind of a different situation, though. The US didn't do anywhere near as much damage to Mexican infrastructure and cities in 1846 as we did to Germany and Japan in 1941-45.

>>69006237
The drug industry has nothing to do with political ideology of a country. Drugs get in your country because you and euros buy them so much.

>>69006199
but they have communism in common too.

I know USA did a lot for us but is that the major reason Latin America is not developed?

>>69006273
They aren't. They tolerate our military presence because it benefits them. If they wanted us gone, we'd be gone. Just look at France, they got all bitchy and told our troops to leave, and that's exactly what we did. Germany/Japan/SK have more money and resources to focus on their own economies if the USA is subsidizing their defense. Not to mention that the US gives those countries preferential treatment when it comes to trade, giving them easy access to our markets so they can sell their shit. Just look at the most popular car brands in America: Toyota (Japan), Hyundai (SK), Volkswagen (Germany).

>>69006342
According to the post-WW2 treaties you own them until 2099. The frogs were with the allies so they aren't losers.

>>69006278
No, but we still were at war until 1929. Whether it was against Spain, France, Spain again, the US, France again, conservatives, dictators, the revolution, the US again or against catholic fanatics, we were in constant war for more than 100 years (between 1810-1929). And nobody help us out after it.

>>69006324
We were at war for more than 100 years and nobody help us out, on the contrary. They took our land, our money and put dicator in charge of all.

Cheap cocaine. It is what makes americans and europeans workaholics.

>>69006324
pretty much. the USA couldn't dare giving money to countries self proclaimed ''socialist''(AKA latins) they had to put dictators on various countries to destroy commies (but they failed lol) at the end of the cold war most of those countries went capitalist but at that moment of time the US didn't want to send money anymore.

so basicly they went capies at the wrong time at the wrong moment.

>>69006324
Oh, and there was also communism here as well. The Cold war was ver hot here, in some parts of Asia, and Africa.

>>69005944
There's many differences between them you meme

>>69006412
>According to the post-WW2 treaties you own them until 2099

Lol, this meme. Find me a source that isn't conspiracy bullshit. And that would only apply to Germany anyway. Even if you take websites like "pravda report" seriously, then Japan and SK are still free to tell us to fuck off whenever they want. But they choose not to, because the Yoshida Doctrine and whatever its SK equivalent is just works for them.

>>69006483
It worked with Chile.

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>>69006199
Japan and Germany were already ahead of Latin America before World War II started, and North Korea and East Germany had pretty much the same development as their capitalist counterparts for much of the Cold War

>>69005782
pain and suffering.
we are too comfy, WAY too comfy.

lots and lots of natural resources for a tiny ass population gives margin for a lot of corruption. we need serious natural disasters and war. hard times create strong men, and strong, moral men is what we need right now.

>>69006515
and surprise, chile with aregentina, are the least shitty countries in south america.

>>69006526
And we were at war between 1810-1929. I am writing all of that because he is asking why they weren't shitholes after WW2, and I gave him an answer: the US help them out.

>>69006483
A lot of the larger latino countries racked up an absurd level of foreign debt in the 70s, using loans from American banks and oil revenue to help fund their development. It reached an unsustainable level in the 1980s, and the development basically stopped and everything went to shit.

>>69005993
and got it all back. even lives, what is baby boom?
feels good being US colony, doesn't it? except for the censored porn

>>69006556
And surprise they did the same in pretty much all of Central America and they are doing the worst out of all of us.

>>69006554
>hard times create strong men, and strong, moral men is what we need right now.

Didn't Argentina have "strong, moral men" running the show from like 1920 to 1985? Why on earth would you want to go back to that?

>>69005944
>why you guys aren't just one big country
Maybe you don't realize how big this continent is.
Is like having a Russia 2.0 but spanish speaking.

>>69006618
nobody talks about central americans...


they do not exist.

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>>69006589
>to help fund their parties with coke and women*
fixed it for you
motherfucking banana politicians

>>69006483
>the USA couldn't dare giving money to countries self proclaimed ''socialist''(AKA latins)

The USA gave a ton of money to the self-proclaimed "socialist" government of Mexico though. The issue with the US government wasn't really that they were calling themselves left-wing, it was the fear that they would become soviet-aligned left-wing. That's why Mexico was basically left to its own devices.

We really should have had some kind of Latin American Marshall Plan, though. It was a massive missed opportunity.

>>69006620
i was talking about the population in general, not about dictators and populist con-men

>>69006667
there was no need to fund it, because USA wasn't at war with Africa or Oceania then, only with Asia

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I found a statistics showing Japan's economic growth, it seems Japan before WW2 grew as much as after WW2 but not stable.

guys, let's focus on Latin America's problems too, not only the reason of the success of us.

>>69006752
We have to start making anime.

>>69006667

i could agree, but unlike europeans and the japs, americans presurised pretty bad with the mexicans on the loans.

it was really the idea of the mexican gov to take money from the US but they didn't really wanted to give the money like they did with the japs back in WWII

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>>69006526
And still the USA no moneys to Spain, Spain had the same GDP per capita as Mexico and like countries like South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and Portugal they are now better off than most of Latin America

>>69006752
>guys, let's focus on Latin America
yeah, the answer you're looking for is "because brown people are inferior"
nah mate the real non-meme answer is: it's a mix of everything

>>69006777
you're already on it, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miGFRqtbhOI

>>69006752
The issue imo lies with Spanish colonial culture. Notice how the wealthiest ex-colonial countries are all former British colonies (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, etc.)?

The whole obsession with caudillos, and a limited tradition of self-government prior to independence basically put the latino countries in a really bad position right from the start. The Spaniards recognized this and tried to fix it with the Bourbon reforms, but they didn't really work.

>>69006777
This.

>>69006605
It was really lucky not to be a Soviet's colony.

>>69006829
>1948-1952
>1952

kek

The US and Spain signed a treaty in 1953 (Pact of Madrid), and the US gave Spain about $3 billion in aid over the next 10 years.

>>69006777
You already do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_60h-v5FUs

>>69005944
Same reason the US and Canada are different countries.

>>69006752
the US just gave you just enough money so your economy could stay competent (so they could gain trust and make bases around) of course, the fact that your people decided to innovate on the car/entertainement/tech industry was a key element

>>69006838
kek the fuck is that mang? mayasenpai

>>69006119
The South Americans did try as well.

>>69006752
Everyone kind of ignores the fact that Japan modernized itself by creating an authortarian pseudo-capitalist government.

Literally maybe the only time in the world we've seen a resource scarce country independently become a dominant economic power and everyone kind of ignores this likely because the architects of it weren't Western European or Jewish.

>>69006876
you were fucking close. if not for the nukes, the sovs would have annihilated you with infantry before the americans

>>69006882
Plus the proto-EU propped the country as well

>>69006922
>Literally maybe the only time in the world we've seen a resource scarce country independently become a dominant economic power and everyone kind of ignores this likely because the architects of it weren't Western European or Jewish.
>everyone kind of ignores it

No they don't, everyone fellates the Imperial Japanese government for the Meiji Restoration. And they had a lot of advantages to start with, like a surprisingly advanced economy and a decent amount of silver.

>>69006884
burn that shit japanese animu weeb fire

>>69006922
This also happened with South Korea, and we could say is happening with Singapore but they are more a meritocracy now

>>69006929
Nah, the Soviets would have never even reached Honshu. If you look at how long it took them to conquer the Kurils+Sakhalin, along with the limited capacity of their navy and the ridiculous terrain of Hokkaido, Japan would have surrendered to the US long before the Soviets got to the islands of Japan that actually have a lot of people.

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>>69005782
HORUHORUHORUHORU

ホルホルは楽しいか糞ジャップ?

>>69005782
for one thing, historically the US doesn't want a strong rival in the same continent and has meddled in their affairs a lot to fuck up them. anyway, you can't compare japan and germany with them in terms of post war economic development because japan and germany were great powers that had industrial/economic/technological foundation to build war-machines to cause even world wars in the first place. both countries' rapid post war development was done by diverting those national power to civilian enterprise, and korea was japan's primary colony that could benefit from japan pretty much. south/latin americas weren't in such a position.

We're fucked up. It's in our mentality, inside our culture. In and Out. Latin America will never be great.

>>69006922
but they couldn't create industries without money
they are important of course, but american money IS the base of the post war jap economy

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>>69005782
1. Send communist to concentration camps
2. Get rid of socialism
3. Instill a Protestant work ethic
4. Invest in heavy rail/interstate systems.
5. Lower corruption levels.

These are all pretty easy things to do. I don't know why Latin America (Chile is high HDI and exempt) hasn't done it yet.

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>>69007011

>>69006976
yep. the bombs were dickwaving (also so the whole project wouldn't be a waste of taxfunds)

>>69006838
>yeah, the answer you're looking for is "because brown people are inferior"
no, it isn't.
but I got kinda irritated because most mention only how USA did good for us,and not Latin American's problems.
take it easy, guys

>>69007030
because no political party wants to do it

>>69007030
This and start exporting anime.

>>69005782
because we are third worlders, we didn't take sides on the beggining of the cold war so we didnt have US investments to "rebuild" our economy out of fear of communist take over. Later on the cold war, we did get disputed by the 2 super powers but there was no interest in developing economies, there were interested in just securing influence.

>>69007030
Yeah that's the problem, Mexicans lack work ethic.


>Lower corruption levels.

>These are all pretty easy things to do

>Being this retarded.

>>69007030
>work ethic
Cuck detected.

Latin America will never be powerful until Europe falls, because their governments and cultures were design to extract wealth from them and send it to Europe.

>>69007059
>the bombs were dickwaving

More like mercy. The guy in charge of our air force's regular operations was a psycho named Curtis LeMay. His plan was to bomb all the rail lines connecting Japanese cities to the major agricultural regions and to each other, and basically starve the whole country to death. Millions of people would have died.

The President listened to him and said "no, fuck that, let's just drop the nukes".

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>>69007130

>>69007185
2bh more people died by the fires from the incendiary bombs than by the nukes. you can thank that to the semi-botching of Nagasaki drop tho
nukes are just plain scary

>>69007141
B-But anon, how ill your employer plow his wife in a 5 star hotel in Paris if you don't work hard?

>>69006999
not really. japan didn't get reconstruction funds to begin with. on the contrary japan even paid occupation cost, which accounted for like one thirds of national budget.

>>69007207
He's being sarcastic. Every American knows that Mexicans are hardworking. Your people travel through cities that are basically warzones, cross a desert, then voluntarily live in shitty places like New Mexico, Arizona, and California, where you work as dishwashers and landscapers. Lazy people don't do that, they stay home and sell drugs.

>>69007067
the important thing about the US and the latins (love you guys) are 2 things:

-lat countries were in general unstable by ideologies

-we shared the same continent

the US didn't want a superpower on his continent AND the fact that commies radiated everywhere in latinamerca made the US very hesitant to give money to them. and if he did, he would always pressurise the loans (which could cause economic instability if your money could be gone in a flash)

you guys were lucky because:

-the US wanted allies in asia

-your country was VERY afraid of commies

>>69007207
100% agree.

That dude's statement was so absurd.

They just need work ethic to be successful, you know, like the Spanish, the Italians, or the Portuguese

>white people really believe this.

>>69007260
>the US didn't want a superpower on his continent AND the fact that commies radiated everywhere in latinamerca made the US very hesitant to give money to them

The possibility of a latin american superpower flew out the window long before WWII even started. Economic instability in Latin America was the last thing anyone in the US government wanted, because it was a surefire way to get communist revolutions.

I love how Latin America is the US's fault somehow and not Europe.

>>69006998
What are you blabbering about? Chile is doing just fine.

>>69007207
obviously bait, but we should stop alienating people by ethnicity but by individual. if that mexican is a lazy fuck, it's not that mexicans are lazy, he is just an asshole.

>>69007293
The biggest fear of American geopoliticians was always the rise of the Southern Cone and Brazil.

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>>69007030

>Chile
>Lower corruption levels.

PFFFFFF

>>69006618
Not like chile, the only one that got close to that was ubico but he was not as anti commie as pinochet. I don't know about the others but panama seem fine today.
>>69006650
Eh well fuck you too Justin

>Mexico has a shit socialist government.
>It has a shit centralized government.
>It has a ton of corruption.
>People here really think than social programs are the key to stop being poor.

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>>69005782
Mexico, Venezuela, Uruguay, Argentina Chile, Brazil and Colombia could easily be first world cuz petrol/gas/gold or whatever each of them have.

Guatemala, Panamá, Ecuador, Paraguay and Bolivia could easily be second world.

Honduras, El Salvador, Belize, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Guyana and Suriname should just kill themselves or be annexed by their neighbouring countries.

The problem is first of all, corruption. 90% of politicians in LA are corrupt idiots that would do whatever they want once they have power. The other 10% are quite decent politicians that want to do things the right way, but once they get to power they get blocked by corrupt idiots. This doesn't let us spend money on education for example, hence why we have so much dirty spics, unemployed idiots or even illiterate indians. Same reason why druglords see these countries like they were gold mines, they can do whatever they want. Then come all the related security problems and shit.

Then there's America fucking up most of these countries in the 20th century.

Pic related, Guatemala City is best city of central america

>>69007314
Chile is going to get worse than Brazil in the next 10 years but you don't have to believe something that a literally who says over the internet, just wait and see for your own.

I'm going to bail out to New Zealand next month so I don't really care anymore.

Can we all agree that when we start killing corrupt politicians we will thrive? Just bring the guillotine.

>>69007207
>>69007237
Precisely. Work ethic is just a capitalist ploy to convince people that long hours are simply the only way. The only reason such a system is accepted is because people will call you lazy if you want to actually enjoy your life.

>>69007095
>because no political party wants to do it
Why not?

>>69007109
Agreed.

>>69007207
Actually made me contemplate things.

>>69007293
i didn't said that the US gave 0 money, but they sure weren't very happy going as with the japs. i still stand that the US weren't very helpfull with the latin economy. but what they did to try to stop communism was with midly well placed dictators. it isn't as expensive as just giving money and they theorised that they could get the job done

>>69007392
Why do you think Chile is going to shit? Serious question as I know absolutely zero about the goings on there.

>>69007451
corruption obviously

>>69007343
Lol, no it wasn't. It's difficult to describe just how far off of the USA's radar South America has been for pretty much our entire history. I know it sounds weird because Washington interfered with the continent like crazy, but it did that everywhere. The only region that Washington has given less of a shit about is Sub-Saharan Africa.

Hell, our politicians feared Mexico more than we did the Southern Cone or Brazil, and imo they still fear it more (although now for different reasons). At no point in American history was the potential of a South American superpower even one of the top 5 concerns for the US government.

>>69007337
>obviously bait
Kek, no. It's just the same here in Brazil. I know because I worked in clothing commerce during december (when they hire temporary workers) and it was just like that. We even did the cleaning of the store.

>>69007393
A lot of people here talks about death penalty for murderers, rapists and long jail time for corrupt politicians, but every time, some faggots from the Human Rights always jew their way in and manage to fuck everything up.

>>69007451
socialists taking over the government.

>>69005827
we was doing just fine in the 60´s, pro american dictators ruined everything

>>69007337
Mexican's aren't lazy dumbass. They're literally the least lazy people on earth. If you see a lazy Mexican, he's probably actually honduran.

>>69007371
We have everything
All of our shit can be sumed up in
>Corruption of goverment and people
>We are idiots who are to lazy for a real change
>The idiotic drug war that fuels the worst in us, easy money and violence

>>69007522
Not Cristina

>>69007522
It was doing fine in the 60s thanks to American and World Bank loans. Turns out that when you keep taking loans with no intention or ability of ever even paying off the interest, things will get bad eventually. And when they do, people turn to political extremism and that's how you get dictators.

>>69007530
you missed my point. read again

>>69007469
>Lol, no it wasn't.
Come on mate, I studied quite a few of your geopoliticians and the rise of the Southern Cone as a single entity along with Brazil was always pinpointed as the crucial thing the US should avoid because maintaining the supremacy over the western hemisphere is mandatory.

>>69007451
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/chile/government-debt-to-gdp
https://panampost.com/andrea-kohen/2016/12/15/chiles-immigration-is-only-a-problem-thanks-to-the-welfare-state/
https://news.vice.com/video/chiles-migration-boom-has-led-to-a-major-housing-crisis

Another commie revolution is coming,

>>69007494
The death penalty wouldn't work anyway...

>>69007030
>3. Instill a Protestant work ethic
What about no

>>69007578

So Brazil is America's fault too?

Do retards actually believe this?

>>69007522
M8 you've been doing horrible ever since Peron

>>69007592
>https://news.vice.com/video/chiles-migration-boom-has-led-to-a-major-housing-crisis


Idk why young Chileans/Argentinians keep giving us shit about our immigration. We need to stick together. WE're the only ones on this sie of the planet that could understand each other.

>>69007392
We'll be even worse than we already are in 10 years m8, Latin America looks like a race to the bottom ever since Maduro took power (Colombia might be an exception here though)

>>69007633
Literally "pee pee poo poo" the post. I wasn't "blaming the us for Brazil's fails", I was just pinpointing that it was never in US' interest to see a prosper southern cone of Brazil. And hell, you did try to fuck us up, after all we endured a 20 years long dictatorship here, not to mention the brutal ones in Chile and Argentina.

>>69007609
I know, but at least we could do a Singapore and Be Great One Day.

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>>69007469

one of the priority of your country in coldwar was destroy our economy my dear sherlock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Ki6nWSeVQ

>>69007497

>implying that chilean government has been socialist/christian democrat since 1990


> Mfw I am a socialist party militant and I do not vote for bachelet and repudiate the communist party for betrayed the "ps" (socialist party) in the 70's

>>69007633
Don't they reach you anything about the Condor Operation? What about the dozen of military dictatorships that took power when a left leaning president got elected?
Of course you don't.

>>69007522
Big Bad 'Murica ruined everything

>>69007756
>reach
teach*
>Of course you don't
Of course they don't*

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>>69007392
>Brazil in the next 10 years
Top kek, the new president just approved the legality of 12 hours long daily work and said it was a beautiful christmas gift for Brazilians.

>>69007592
Chile needs a WALL

>>69007207
>Working on a court (they don`t pay me, I do it just for the expeience).
>Coworkers oficial schedule it`s from 8:00 a.m. to 17:00 p.m. but the paper work it such than they have to leave until 20:00 p.m. The paper work that arrive before vacation it`s so much than they sometimes leave until 22:00.
>They don`t pay extra hours.
Fucking government.

>>69007756

They only really teach us about relevant geopolitics.

>>69007756
Not him but that's literally the first time I've heard about it.

SA is pretty irrelevant here.

>>69007843
We have a fucking minefield in the north, in fact, idiots die every year trying to cross it.

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>>69007828

absolute madman!!!!

>>69007843

we have anti-personal mines...

We actually need to push our economy and overthrow corruption

>>69007880
>>69007868
Why are you even itt if you are so ignorant and proud of it?

>>69007891
I wish we could mine our southern border.

>>69007745
>one of the priority of your country in coldwar was destroy our economy

Not really a priority. Chile was way, way, way down the list of problems the US government. It was something to worry about in a general strategic sense (commie revolutions spreading around the world!), but nobody was seriously thinking that a country with a smaller population than Florida could become a superpower.

>>69006237
>Thinking the US is going to put up with threats on its own continent

Are you an immigrant?

>>69005782

>What is needed to make Latin America descent by European standards?

90% white populations

this is the only correct answer

>>69007756
Of course we know about Operation Condor. But that doesn't mean that South America was ever top priority for the US. Washington was doing all kinds of shit, when you make up literally 50% of the global economy (as the US did from 1945 to about 1960), you can afford to be involved in all sorts of places. The main concern was always Europe and places within easy reach of the Soviets (East Asia, the Middle East, India, etc.).

>>69007951
Wealthy latin american countries would pose little threat to the US as long as they were democratic. It's not really something to worry about.

>>69007915
You seem new. Did you ever talk to literally any American here? Not just in /int/, /pol/ and /sp/ too.

>>69007756
I'm sure you guys were doing just great before 1975. If only we would have let you guys have those communist governments you wanted you'd be much better off.

>>69007915

>Why are you even itt

To listen to butthurt latinos blame us for all their shortcomings apparently.

>>69007977
but Arg-

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We are improving, slowly, at least some of us

>>69008010
The US financially supported our military coup exactly due to our growing links with the Soviets and the Chinese though. We had +70m people back then and were getting our economic boom started.

>>69007951
No, but my dad is. Why does that matter, though? Latin American countries becoming prosperous and democratic would be a dream come true for us, think of all the positives.

>fewer drugs coming into the US
>no more Central American gangsters shooting up cities in the Southwest
>more investment in the US
>more investment opportunities for US companies in Latin America

Everybody would benefit.

Colombians having sex with Donkeys is Americans fault too.

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>>69008147


And this ruined your country but not Chile's somehow. and you would've been better off if we had let you guys have a socialist government like Venezuela

>>69008010
The US may be open to it now, but do you think in the early Manifest Destiny days the US would allow any other economic or military threat in the hemisphere?
Look at Mexico. They got BTFO and they havent been able to fully recover since.
Its better to clip their wings early on and not worry about them until much later, which is what any empire in history has ever done

>>69008084
So instead of trying to understand the subject and why would anyone blame the US for shortcomings in LatAm you revel in your ignorance. I hope you are baiting me.
>>69008015
I will never get used to this pee pee poo poo

>>69008229
There's no evidence that substantiates your claim that Brazil would've been on par with other first world nations if the US had not intervened.

>>69008207
Our intervention in Chile did kind of ruin it though.

>>69008217
>The US may be open to it now, but do you think in the early Manifest Destiny days the US would allow any other economic or military threat in the hemisphere?

The US government was pretty happy about Bolivar's Gran Colombia.

>Look at Mexico. They got BTFO and they havent been able to fully recover since.

Which happened due to circumstances completely within their own control. You don't fight border skirmishes in the 19th century unless you're ready for the possibility of getting annihilated and losing a lot of territory.

>Our intervention in Chile did kind of ruin it though.


yeah its such a shithole now. Allende was doing such an amazing job.

>>69005782
The mentality is why work hard if you're already poor and if you get killed or robbed it's your own fault.

>>69008050
First of all, you're a decade off.
Second, who even said we would be a communist dictatorship? We were getting stronger ties with China when they were about to break up with the Soviets.
And yes, we had an economic boom in the 70s, mainly because our military overlords got huge loans from the US. In the 80s, shit started to go down with hyperinflation as they couldn't pay the loans, but they kept on ruling because they wanted to make sure the transition to democracy happened on their exact terms. Not a single one of them went to prison.

>>69008217
>>69008284
Also, in the early manifest destiny days the US didn't have a choice but to allow those threats. In the early days of Manifest Destiny, the US was widely considered to be weaker than Mexico, and relied on Britain to enforce our toothless Monroe Doctrine which the British and French ignored whenever they felt like it. The US wasn't capable of just wiping out threats as they appeared.

>>69008309
The point is that it could be much better off without the intervention.

>>69008365
>Second, who even said we would be a communist dictatorship? We were getting stronger ties with China when they were about to break up with the Soviets.

I think that's just a matter of bad timing. The US (under Nixon) was one of the major instigators of the Sino-Soviet Split, so previous presidents like Johnson and Kennedy wouldn't have thought of China as being much different than the Soviets.

>>69005782
Get rid of all the spics.

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>>69008284
You send an army into our country after they weren't attacked in your side. Then, Polk claimed that we killed Americans in American soil (which didn't happen) to get support of the congress. He was later confronted by Lincoln, but nobody really payed attention to it. And the only reason that territory was disputed in the first place was:
1) The independence of Texas was mostly done by illegal immigrants that came after we banned them because they didn't comply with their parts of the deal.
2) While they did capture the president they didn't defeat the army, the congress (which were the ones who had a say in their independence, and not Santa Anna) nor did they ever capture the capital, so the congress and the army were planning a counter offensive after they got rid of other rebelions, hence they never recognized the republic of Texas, since they never really won until you intervene
3) Texans were claiming that the borders of Texas were in the Rio Bravo (which they never were, see picture).

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>>69005838
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>>69005827
These guys know what's up.

>>69006556
our economy was just doing fine till 60´s, those dictators ruined everything, and when we was already fucked up, peronism re apeared to fuck us even more
today there is not a single argie with power who is not corrupt, we dont have real industry and the country is ruled by gangsters

>>69007067
we are almost sensible because you delcared war on then and ended up in well terms with a benefical position(and a country not so desroyed)
while we didnt du nothing and ended up with civil wars, dictetorships and shit tier conditions (for example in my country, many auto-motor companies in USA destroyed the rail sistem and instaured a monopoly of truckers, who have enough power to take a down a president)
nothing personal, its just a justificated butthurt

>>69008559
I unironically aprove this

>>69007392
Welcome home latin american brother
stay the fuck out of the north island

>>69007994
intredasting

>>69005782
Jose Embraer,
you guys have abundant natural resources,
so make good use of them

>>69005944
We will never tolerate that kind of degeneracy. We are the only ones that kept free from filthy spaniards, and incas before them. Our natural borders separate us from all this tards around us. You should know better. Your inmigrants have been here for generations but they are still seen as foreigners, hence fishy

>>69007451
Our laws weren't prepared for inmigration of all these niggers from northern southamerica. But our Senate has been nazi as it gets for ever, so I think that chilean poster is wrong. Next election is going to be a sort of trump build wall kind of thing. Our gardener and our nanny keep on talking about peruvians, negros from caribe, argie and uruguayan waiters, etc. We already did a "brexit" on mercosur (because of our """socialist""" senate), so I have no doubts the commie agenda is going to get rekt.

btw: chilean socialism is pretty much right wing politics + a little bit of political correctness

>>69011670

>argie and uruguayan waiters

kek, indio delusions. Half a million chileans live in Argentina and I think there are just 2 or 3 thousand uruguayans in Chile.

Also you are still an associated member of Mercosur as you have always been and Mercosur doesn't give a shit about those issues since it is useless.

>>69011861
That's 500k chicanos we don't have to care about and they are argies by now because their inmigrant laws negro, you know that. Associated member means nothing, just as mercosur.

So, seriously what's your point?

>>69011861
Caring about what happens in argentina are you really this much of a fucking cuck country? Fuckig hell have some pride.