Why doesn't brazil just invade the other divided south

Because Brazil is itself a divided south american country

Becase we already have enough niggers to take care of.

But, during Military govt they had plans to annex the Guianas and Suriname.

>>68532602
We should've done it in the past.
>>68532622
Nice meme.

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>>68532602
>they had plans to annex the Guianas

please try

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>>68532646
>picking a fight with the Netherlands and France

>>68532696
Pretty sure we can handle you both in a land war. Besides, rekting dutches isn't new to Brazilians.

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>>68532692
>>68532696

We could take you niggers in the jungle desu.

But yeah it was a retarded plan.

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>>68532740
We can reach you, but you can't reach us.

There is no risk to us.

>>68532692
>>68532696
I can see why Brazil would want to annex that land (even if it's Muslim/Hindu/black population is a toxic mix) but why would you people fight to defend it? I'm sure France can find plenty of other equatorial sites to laumch rockets from.

>>68532762

What do you mean? They'd invade and control it within hours while you can't dump supplies over there fast enough to take it back

>>68532775
We have six Caribbean Islands with troops. Well, mostly American troops.

>>68532797
>Well, mostly American troops.

wtf?

>>68532770
It would literally be Falklands v2.
When Brazil was still a colony and Napoleon tried to invade Portugal, Brazil's colonial garrison tried to attack French Guyana and failed.

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>>68532740
>Pretty sure we can handle you both in a land war

pretty sure we can handle you elsewhere

>>68532814
The Americans use our Islands to spy on Venezuela.
Venezuela is angry at us as they fear we are preparing to invade them with the Americans.
So Venezuela threatens the Netherlands constantly.
The Netherlands gets worried and more American troops get stationed on our Islands.

>>68532762
We can reach our objective (Suriname) easily, you wouldn't be able to anything. It would be faster than the battle for the Netherlands in ww2.
>>68532797
I don't think you understand the behemoth Brazil is. There is nothing Netherlands would be able to do. The problem would be the French navy and that's it.

>>68532839

>taking Venezuela threats seriously?

Really? The only thing that it can be considered a danger is their SU-30. And they're mostly grounde cuz no money to fly.

>>68532830
You would have to rely on the unreliable Charles De Gaulle or Caribbean Islands since you would lose the foothold in South America very very fast. I do however believe this will happen sooner or later.

>>68532851
>I don't think you understand the behemoth Brazil is.

And neither do you. Brazil has not a single chance against France.

>>68532892
On a land battle? The Guyana is not the Falklands, we don't need to cross the ocean to reach it.

>>68532851
That's also what Indonesia said.

>>68532839

Too complicated. Sounds like a giant waste of american money tbqh phamily

>>68532602
Just stopping by to say Brazil needed the help of 2 other countries to defeat a tiny landlocked nation

That's all

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>>68532932
Good thing we aren't Indonesia, we've been cutting your sissy asses since the 17th century.

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>>68532602
why taking it by force when we can do it by diplomacy and culture?

>>68532971
It's your own backyard, so you probably want to be there anyway.

>>68532981
we did it mostly alone

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>>68532856
>taking Venezuela threats seriously
Every looked at the map of Venezuela?

>>68532602
1. We don't have a military that can do that. Venezuela has Su-30s, Colombia has highly trained infantry, Chile has Leopard 2s, Argentina has its own military complex on pair with Brazil and then there's all the other countries. Our only advantage is an aircraft carrier that uses modernized A-4s.
2. The rest of the world would intervene. If when a small country invades an even smaller country the US DoD goes nuts, then you can only imagine what the world would do if the 5th largest country dediced to rank up 3 positions
3. Most importantly, different culture, language, and too many problems to take care of already.
That being said, there are behind the curtain talks between south american elite (high ranking politicians, businessmen, generals, etc) to slowly and peacefully unify SA.

>>68532981
>needed
This isn't true and you know it. Paraguayan """"""""war"""""""" was a big fucking retreat by Paraguayan forces since they set foot in Brazil.

>>68533027
Maybe we can sway Trump to help us.

>>68532880

Or they could just fucking nuke Brasilia several times over you fucking luso monkey

>>68532602
Brazil can take anything in latin america but it can't invade islands so the carribean is improbable.

>>68532602
>2016
>fighting for territories

>>68533027
>2. The rest of the world would intervene. If when a small country invades an even smaller country the US DoD goes nuts, then you can only imagine what the world would do if the 5th largest country dediced to rank up 3 positions

I'd figure no one gives a shit what happens in random SA countries

Heck there's wars all the time in africa and no one gives a shit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

>>68533065
>Or they could just fucking nuke Brasilia several times over
>doing a favor to your enemy
Wew

>>68533027

>We don't have a military that can do that.

Debatable

>Venezuela has Su-30s

Meme, they barely fly and they don't have support

>Colombia has highly trained infantry

Idk, never looked into.

>Chile has Leopard 2s

How are they gonna cross the andes

>Argentina has its own military complex on pair with Brazil

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

But you're right on the rest, we win nothing by invading neighbors.

>>68532602
>Brazil
>invade
It ain't us dawg.

>>68533065
We also have American nukes that become ours if war is declared.

hermanos are our bros irmãos no need to fight them

>>68533123

>stealing nukes

Really? Like, you guys have the codes and keys?

>>68533123

No you don't. That only comes into play if you get attacked in the North Atlantic region.

Brazil would have trouble with Guiane but Suriname is easily theirs.

>>68533140
It are bombs. Not missiles.

Plus it's no big deal anyway. A Dutch company does 30% of the uranium enrichment of the world. Pakistan got it's tech from us.

>>68533006
But your culture is basically futbol, carnaval and telenovelas, you're basically a blank slate "neutral" latino culture just waiting to be taken over

>>68533170
Big fucking deal too. Brazil not only have one of the largest uranium deposits in the world, but also dominates all the tech to make bombs and reactors. The only reason we don't have nukes is because we don't want to.

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Why fight?

We're all friends.

>>68533178
>But your culture is basically futbol, carnaval and telenovelas, you're basically a blank slate "neutral" latino culture just waiting to be taken over
By that logic I could say your culture is chavo del ocho and jumping walls, but I know that that is false

>>68533178
Your culture is basically tacos and beheading, you are basically a blank slate "neutral" latino culture just waiting to be taken over

>>68533178

>let me, a Mexican, talk about your country's culture

>>68533197

Dude, stop. It's getting cringy.

>>68533228
>Dude, stop. It's getting cringy.
It's not "cringy". You are stupid if you don't know that.

>>68533243

>huurrr durr we wuz nukes

Fuck off monkey.

>>68533243
>>68533228
Btw this knowledge is so fucking old, I'm mesmerized by the fact another Brazilians is ignorant about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

>>68532692
If they really want it there's no way les enfants de la patrie are going to be able to do a thing about it.

>>68533271

You could have nukes but the USA would tell all of our friends to stop trading with you and you'd essentially become less shit Iran

>>68533264
t. Literal retard

>>68533226
kek, you wish hue, our having an actual cuisine is part of the reason we are colonizing Americans, as for violence we are nowhere near your levels

Face it Brazil, there's a better chance you'll be learning Spanish than any of us will be learning samba

>>68533289
true

>>68533228
We do have the technology for it, we just don't want to.

>>68533289
Nope. We were pursuing nuclear weapons before and the US knew about it. The reason we stopped with the program is that after the end of the military dictatorship, everything military related became taboo. That being said, if Brazil wanted to have nukes, nobody would stop us.

>>68533289

I remember reading something about the nuke deal, that if a country have a casus belli, they can build nukes. Right?

>>68533140
>As of November 2009, Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey are hosting U.S. nuclear weapons as part of NATO's nuclear sharing policy
>On 10 June 2013, former Dutch prime minister Ruud Lubbers confirmed the existence of 22 shared nuclear bombs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

MAKE PARAGUAY GREAT AGAIN

>>68533295
>Face it Brazil, there's a better chance you'll be learning Spanish than any of us will be learning samba

Idk if you guys are aware of that, but we have no fucking clue about Spanish America. You culture, music, cuisine, is all a mystery for us. We're pretty far from each other, believe it or not.

I swear by God we barely know about Argentinian or Uruguayan culture.

>>68533325

How fast could you guys put together a nuke if you wanted to? I mean you must have them disassembled and ready to go

Then again there's no real reason as there's no large threat facing the SA continent so it's more beneficial to play the neutral we are peaceful game

>>68533340

Seems stupid desu.

Like what if some batshit crazy person gets elected and he just pushes the button?

>>68533340
The use of nukes over a tiny bit of land in southamerica is unrealistic. If Brasil wants to take it, they will and you wont be able to do a thing, even pairing with France.

>>68533370
never invade the amazon jungle or we will call cangaceiros

>>68533386
I think they are under American control until something happens.

Plus we're a monarchy. So is Belgium. We can't get batshit insane people elected because our King can just fire him.

>>68533295
uhm, why do you think that we will destroy Mexico or feel bad if you succeed? Most BRs would probably like to see another Latin Country as a world power

>>68533370
>How fast could you guys put together a nuke if you wanted to? I mean you must have them disassembled and ready to go
Without tests? Probably months, since we have operating facities able to enrich uranium for bombs, but nukes require tests and efficient miniaturization that take longer.
>Then again there's no real reason as there's no large threat facing the SA continent so it's more beneficial to play the neutral we are peaceful game
True. That being said, having the capability to do so doesn't hurt.

>>68533410

They're still our nukes until we get in a war together.

America wouldn't help you against Brazil. NATO doesn't mean we have to fight in that region. Its why Argentina attacked the UK in Falklands and the USA just let it happen.

>>68533410
>We can't get batshit insane people elected because our King can just fire him

Well, learn something everyday. I didn't know that.

I think that if we take the land, it will provoke a shitstorm in the region, but not a nuclear shitstorm.

>>68533410
>America nuking Brazil
lamo, they are more likely to help us and share the bounty.

>>68533410

Cool. Does the monarchy have control on the nukes too?

>>68533295
I don't mind learning spanish nor eating tacos tbqh.

>>68533442
In the Caribbean the USA, France, the UK and the Netherlands tend to do things together (to protect the Islands of all of us).

I honestly have no idea what would happen if Suriname would get invaded. They are independent. But I think our government would feel the moral obligation to aid them. So chances are it would lead to war.

In our war with Indonesia the USA funded half our military and the UK supplied the hardware (boats). It's not unlikely such a thing would happen.

>>68533370
Actually they don't have anything disasembled and ready to go, as part of CEPAL and as signatory to Tlatelolco Brazil is sibject to regular inspections.

Only 3 countries in Latin America, Argentina, Brazil and Mexico, operate nuclear power plants. All three are subject to non proliferation rules

>>68533442

>Argentina attacked the UK in Falklands and the USA just let it happen

I watched a video today about the Rio-Pact, which is like NATO, but for american countries.

It doesn't mean shit. Like there were three times that should be activated but nobody answered the call. (Lobster "War", Falklands crisis and 9/11)

>>68533525

>“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

>in Europe or North America

You're on your own.

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>>68533431
>another
>world power

>>68533537
>Brazil and Argentina
>regular inspections.
Kek, do you know who inspects those two? Brazilians inspect Argentina and Argentinians inspect Brazil. That being said, Brazil only offers a limited inspection, usually generates some butthurt in the UN, but that's it.

>>68533571
Since when does NATO follow it's own charter?

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>>68533606
i wanna kick your ass but i love australia

>>68533537

When they cancelled the nuke program, the program was practically already developed.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least one hidden in some base desu.

>>68533624
Ofc you do, you are retarded.

Why would France or the Netherlands nuke Brazil over some shitty land containing Hindus and Muslims?

>>68533431
>Brazil
>world power
Maybe a regional power

>>68533543
Americans did invoke it in 9/11, we were the first the country to whitdraw from the Rio treaty because we thought a bunch of Saudi nationals attacking the US was no cause to attack Iraq, Falklands were not technically covered under RIO as it's a mutual defense pact and not an equivalent to NATO, Argentina was the aggresor so other American countries were under no obligations. I don't know what the lobster war is.

>>68533571
>On February 4th, Dutch Defense Minister Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert and German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen signed a new deal paving the way for the full integration of their countries’ naval units
>During earlier agreements in 2014 and 2015, the Dutch and Germans agreed to integrate two army units and further enhance cooperation between a wide range of military branches.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/young-professionals-in-foreign-policy/the-netherlands-and-germa_b_9283072.html

What if everything except latin america disappeared

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>>68533633
come at me bro say that right in my face

>>68533669
You'd still be stuck with something around 40 million Mexicans

>>68533642
And also, what does Brasil have to gain from invading Suriname and Guyana?

>>68533696
Expelling filthy colonial powers from the Americas.

>>68533661

Yep, saw that in the video.

They wanted all LATAM nations to go to middle east, but nobody sent, instead the just told them that we'd help them with intelligence part, but none of that happened.

Falklands you're right, but still, our govt at the time didn't wanted the brits to attack Argentina's mainland.

Lobster war was some meme "war" that we had with France over Lobsters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobster_War

Basically when we were sending ships to the north, US ambassador said that we should pull out. Then the Navy commander said that they were disrespecting the pact since France was the agressor.

Resuming, this pact is a meme and worth shit.

>>68533695
>>68533669
My bad I misread that, then I guess we would ally with Colombia and Argentina to counterbalance Brazil, things would likely remain friendly tho

>>68533696

Fuck if i know. I think they have gold mines there.

>>68533669
World peace achieved.

>>68533571
We have something other countries don't have.

Friendship (and lots of money). With the power of friendship we can summon the aid of anyone we invest in.

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>>68533761
Come on Pikachu.

>>68533758
Yeah, we would have no wars and no conflicts, only gangbangers killing each others

>>68533729
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobster_War
"On 6 July 1966, the Administrative Tribunal of Rennes summarized the French government claims that lobsters are like fish, that is, that they swim about in the open sea and therefore, could not be considered part of the continental shelf. Brazil claimed that lobsters are like oysters that they cling to the bottom of the ocean and therefore, were part of the continental shelf.[14] Admiral Paulo Moreira da Silva, Brazil's Navy expert in the field of oceanography who had been sent to assist the diplomatic committee during the general discussions,[15] argued that for Brazil to accept the French scientific thesis that a lobster would be considered a fish when it "leaps" on the seafloor, then they would have in the same manner to accept the Brazilian premise that when a kangaroo "hops" it would be considered a bird.[15]"

Kek that dispute got down to a very idiotic technicality

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>>68533788

Palossand, i choose you!

Heh, the fuck ur gonna do now?

>>68533797
Don't forget the commies fighting the drug peddeling paramilitaries

>>68533761
>We have something other countries don't have. Friendship
What did he mean by this?

>>68533797
>only gangbangers killing each others
Speak for yourself

>>68533669
Mexico, Venezuela and brazil would invade clay

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>>68533833

Yep. The most funny part is that DeGaulle got extremely butthurt.

Scenario 1:

>we invade Guiana
>the dutch come
>cross the atlantic
>beat the shit out of us
>go back

Scenario 2:

>we invade Guiana
>the dutch come
>Vietnam war 2.0

Scenario 3:

>we invade Guiana
>the dutch come
>not even Vietnam-tier, we just obliterate them

I'm honestly between 2 and 3. It's more realistic.

>>68533797
>gangbangers killing each others
There wouldn't be USA and Europe to sell drugs to, so less violence.

>>68533853
Also, Nicaragua would invade Costa Rica

>>68533845
No americans and europeans = no drugs
Atleast not in such a big scale
No UN telling us to respect human rights and not to annihilate the guerrillas = no guerrillas

>>68533845

You're aware that 80% of all the drugs made in LATAM goes to US/Europe, right?

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>>68533875
>TFW nobody invades us

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>>68533862
>Vim te robei
Perdi

>>68533853
>Venezuela
¿?¿?¿?
If anything, Brazil takes us after we take them

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>>68533956

What about Argentina.

>>68533866
Scenario 4:
>Brazil invades Suriname
>Netherlands cries crocodile tears
>The Netherlands is the biggest investor in Brazil and the fourth export partner
>EU boycotts Brazil
>meanwhile the Netherlands, USA, UK and France are preparing an attack
>Brazil can choose between the easy or hard way
This is what realistically would happen.

>>68533696
A reality check on how terrible the Brazilian military is.

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>>68533956
Nobody will invade you because they know that each war with Chile leads to more of South America's coastline being eaten by the Coastline Monster that is your nation.

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>>68534023
>"É mais fácil uma cobra fumar do que o Brasil entrar na Guerra."

>>68534030

When is chile going to give bolivia some sea

>>68533996
They didn't dare when they actually had men and equipment superiority. We are prepared for defending against Peru, Bolivia and Argentina coming against us at the same time.

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>>68534059

When Evo dies.

Which is never.

>>68534059
Proceed to delet this at once

>>68534005
You should consider that everyone loves us, we don't have enemies. Before preparing an attack, they'd probably sit and say something like "Aw dude, not cool, y u did that". It would take some time before they rape us good.

>>68534072

Why war against Peru tho?

I know Argentina and Bolivia, but why peru?

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>>68534059

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If we were going o invade, it would probably be our northern neighbors anyway.

We love conosur too much to hurt them :3

>>68533758
A nearly monocultural world
That might be the solution

>>68534103
They threaten us every time they have incoming elections and their president wants to be reelected. When we almost went at war with Argies in the 70's, they were ready to come from the north (that's why there's so many mines planted in the desert). We learnt the lesson. So we're good neighbors, but we don't trust any of them and will keep investing in our military as long as we exist.

>>68533956
Your armies could just camp out in the mountains, you're unbeatable
t. victoria 2 pro

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>>68534196

I see.

I think since the 90's we never had any type of international conflict with a neighboring country or group.

Even thought sometimes our army kills some FARC and drug dealers up north.

>>68534156
>A nearly monocultural world

American education at its finest.

>>68534273
Don't get so butthurt over nothing. In an objective worldwide sense it's true.

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>>68533907
One of my extended family members was killed by FARC a long time ago when they lived in Colombia, so if I get any warning that the rest of the world is going to vanish,I would go back to Colombia and fap to the Colombian military and the autodefensas genocide those commie faggots.

>>68534247
>Even thought sometimes our army kills some FARC and drug dealers up north.
And that's justified.

>>68534357

Of course.

The biggest one was in the 90's tho. Then there was another two in 2002 and 2006.

There aren't many news about what happens up north, but i read this week how it's becoming a routine the firefights between the army, guerrilas and cartels on the Colombian border.

http://www.defesaaereanaval.com.br/confrontos-com-guerrilheiros-e-traficantes-na-triplice-fronteira-estao-virando-rotina/

>>68532762
They can pull a vietnam on you

>>68532762
fucking hamada

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We're big guys.

>>68532602
Because Brazil got fucked up by Paraguay.

>>68533853
Don't worry blue Peru as our neighbours we wouldn't let any South Americans invade you or the Caribbean, granted we might turn you into banana republics/client states but in all fairness we'd be a kinder mster than the US, we certainly wouldn't go around promoting coups in the region, In the real world we'd probably ally ourselves with Pacific alliance countries and Argentina to contain Brazil but other than that the deal would probably be we don't mess in South America, and support the consensus of Spanish speaking countries, while they don't mess with North America, of which you're a part.

The geopolitics here would works so that we'd ally with Brazil if they were to fail containing their own neighbours on our turf, say Colombia going after Panama, it means we might suddenly find ourselves in the position to decide Uruguay and Paraguay rightfully belong to the hues. Given our industrial base is bigger than even Brazil's and that we are roughly equal to Spanish speaking South America combined I think we'd be in a strong position to establish status quo.

>>68532696
>they can't reach you

:^)

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>>68536411

I don't think Mexico has the military might to get involved into international conflicts desu.

I mean, if the army goes out to war, the Narcos will have a feel day there, no?

>>68536512

)^:

>>68537087

:^|

>>68534156
>>68534314
Lol no. You are not ignorant, just brainwashed.

Do you think Argentina and Venezuela are similar? Brazil and Peru? Bolivia and Uruguay?

The fact is that you don't know fucking shit about this sub continent

>>68537087
>>68537133
U:

>>68537329

c:

>>68536774
meh, you'd be surprised, and besides you have a far worse violence problem than we do and don't seem too concerned with wether you could deploy your armed forces. It's a sure bet in a world without people outside Latin America we would all probably go a bit authoritarian during at least the transition. Our marines are attached to the navy, that's usually the power projection element for any country, we have two mirror fleets, one for the Pacific, one for the Atlantic, seeing as we have more than a 100,000 soldiers on our army alone I think we could manage using the navy if we had to. And besides we are talking conflicts close to home, like I said in the specific scenario we are discussing we would use multi-lateralism and respect for our fellow Latin American brothers as an excuse to prevent any South American getting anywhere near our clay, central America and the Caribbean is our legit area of influence and we would protect it, seeing as we would be acting as allies we would be able to count on suplies and logistic supports which makes it a lot easier. Countries in our region would bandwagon with us to remain independent as this benefits their local elites and the patriotism of their people.

It's a fair scenario, seeing as we are the larger industrialized base in Latin America and that we are oputside South America our economic support and production would be vital for Soouth America trying to counterbalance Brazil, we would hardly need to do any of the actual fighting, just provide food and war materials/assets to your neighnours. Given we are also the ones who produce the more advanced technology and that we do export more than you we could beat you in economic war, specially allied with the rest of the region.

Brazil and Mexico would become the two rival powers, but like I said, chances are we would pursue this in friendly terms, at least for the first decades, after that it's really imposible to know what happens.

>>68533170
B61 bombs still need codes brah.

>>68533325
>We were pursuing nuclear weapons before and the US knew about it.
That was different. At that time you were governed by sensible chaps, not batshit insane commies.

>>68533442
>Its why Argentina attacked the UK in Falklands and the USA just let it happen.
Ehh, nor quite how it went down. Reagan actually offered a carrier on loan to the Royal Navy to help but Thatcher turned it down. It was a matter of national pride and all that.

Just because the US isn't obligated to get involved that doesn't guarantee they won't become involved anyway.

>>68537266
Brainwashed by who? What malevolent entity wants me to give a fuck at all, exactly?