How come Islam spread so incredibly quick and overran the holiest

>>68254320
umm..becasue they forcibly converted people and slaughtered the ones who didn't?

>>68254371
Pretty much this, that Islam was spread by the sword is historic fact.

>>68254371
But Christians did that too and it still took a very long time for Christianity to spread to europe. And the ancient egyptians tried to wipe out Judaism as well by killing or enslaving most jews. There must be another reason behind the extreme fast spread of Islam

>>68254320
Turns out when you are barbarian living in a desert and have known violence through most of your life, you tend to enslave others and kill them.

Islam is areligon of war.

>>68254442
umm..muslim raiders rode horses and reached further?

>>68254442
>But Christians did that too and it still took a very long time for Christianity to spread to europe.
and yet look where we're at, abdul.

the world order is being dictated by christians while muslims are living in mudhuts and are nothing short of irrelevant.

>>68254531
I'm talking about the genocide of the Anglo-saxons by Charlemange. He wiped them out or forcefully converted them on masse and yet it took many years for them to mostly leave paganism behind. Yet Islam took the middle east, north africa, Persia and central asia like a storm

>>68254531
>""christians""

Let's be real. None of the people who are actually running stuff are Christian. They're just Christian by name.

>>68254442
>ancient egyptians tried to wipe out Judaism as well by killing or enslaving most jews

nice meme

It took many generations before most conquered areas had become majority muslim, it's the power of having a strictly state enforced religion which priviliges one religion from the others.
Want to be christian? well you better pay up, i imagine most poor people converted out of necessity, not necessary because a sword pointed at their chest.

If Khalid ibn al-Walid had been born a few decades later, Islam would have stayed a local weird monotheistic cult of the desert like Yazidism or Shaivism. He was the best general of his era and made it possible to spread Islam through the civilised world.

>>68259795
This. He even beat Prophet Muhammad in a battle kek

>>68254320
Because christians don't spread their religion by the Sword, if we did it we would have slaughtered Mohashit when he came to Abyssynia, or we would have exterminated every shitslims in the land we colonized.

>>68258801
This. The jizya is an economic incentive to convert.

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>>68258801
>>68261191
Actually the early muslims DIDN'T want people to convert precisely because them paying Jizya meant they were afforded more rights, they preferred to keep people unconverted so they had more control over them and so they couldn't compete with Arabs in society.

>>68254320
Most people are stupid and love fancy cults. Christianity have been losing its grip and become a religion for pussies.

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>>68261564
t. mahmud al checheni

>>68256981
This is true, the Bible emphasises that the only real Christians at any time are a faithful remnant. Genuine Christ-like behaviour and political power (in the hands of humans) are probably antithetical too.

>>68262006
It's not that common. And I'm not a muslim. I hate every single muslim on this planet with all my heart and if there was a button "remove all kebabs" I would push it without a doubt.

>>68260456
they fight?

When Christians gave women more rights and powers was when they began to fall. Women can't be reasoned with and that means nothing will get done right. The only smart thing Islam did was keep women on the bottom where they belong.

>>68261191
ever heard of zakat?

>>68262314
>When Christians gave women more rights

When Americans gave women more rights, and forced the Christians to gave women more rights*

>>68262357
>Americans can change god's will
God bless america!

>>68262006
>I want to critisize Islam
>so let me find the most ignorant village people's weird photos to prove my point.

>>68262403
>Americans can change god's will
Americans are already a Catholic colony and women will soon lose their rights, anyway,i hope the spics will force the Europeans countries to reduce women(s right and force Catholicism onto other countries like Americans forced atheism and degeneracy onto other countries

>>68261340
They had better haircuts back then so what.

Religion is a tool of the state.
Islam was born in a growing empire.
Christianity was adopted by an empire long after it's inception.

>>68262456
Atheism is good, degenerated left scum is bad.

>>68254605
Persia is in the Middle East you dumbfuck

>>68254320
There are the traders, that brought people from afar to learn of Islam. Kinda how Mali became Muslim.
Then, there are the conquest of Persia and North Africa by a growing empire that adopted Islam, unlike Christianity that was adopted by an empire prior to it's fall

>>68261340
>has a western monarch
>overthrew them
>became an Islamic Republic
Because ayatollahs are way different than monarchs, why not overthrow them?

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answer is türks

>>68262565
Atheism is the source of degeneracy

If the Christendom still existed there would be no shitskins nor mudslims in Europe.

>>68263174
Atheism is opposite. We just need to remove savage ancient cults. But there is the problem: too many people consist in these cults. And by tolerating one(no matter which) you only make it worse.

>itt islamized (inshaallah) countries

>>68258801
the kuffar don't need to pay zakat like muslims obligated to, so they need to pay jizya instead :^)

allah suck my dick

Norway was christened by the sword. And converted to protestantism(which evolved to lutherianism) by another sword.

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>>68263174

>>68263683
If a society abandon its cult, it will become a prey for violent barbarians like mudslims.

Catholic Europe killed the sandniggers
Atheist Europe welcome rapefugees

#notmypope
#jesuitarentcatholic

>>68263940
Society should rely on its values. If you believe in some crazy shit and want someone to do something because of it - go the fuck out of a society. There is no need for a cult to fight another cult.

>>68264138
>There is no need for a cult to fight another cult.

A cult is needed, as America's wars showed it.

You can kill how many muslims you like they will continue to fight until they are all dead, if you want to break their fighting spirit the only way is to break what make them fight aka islam.

> If you believe in some crazy shit and want someone to do something because of it - go the fuck out of a society

European society was created by Christianity, and is dying because Europeans abandonned Christianity, anyway, in Europe atheists are the ones who should fuck off.

>>68264465

>the only solution to a regressive jew desert cult is to join my regressive jew desert cult

we should gas you both desu

>>68254320
Lmao niggers couldn't take over India. India and China are the reason why Islam hasn't taken over the world, the day these two fall to Islam is the day Islam takes over the world

>>68254320
Conquered people converted in mass because they didn't want to pay the tax

>>68264516
Thing is Islam doesn't understand kindness and harmony. Might is right in Islam and violence is the only way to keep them in check.

>>68264723

Thank you for slaughtering them based poofriends

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>>68264723
This


>>68264516
Shut up ching chong chang nigger

Christianity is finest of the religion in this universe, your nigger shintoism can't compete.

>>68264723
But we can keep them in check with atomic bombs and stuff like that, swords(read Christianity) aren't needed anymore.

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>>68264856
Wow I find it absolutely hilarious how you foreigners somehow manage to consider yourself to some superior moral level just because your aggression is not motivated by religious motives just by the fact that you're bloodthirsty sick fucks.
I regularly see Israelis celebrating the ethnic genocide of Gazans.
I regularly see Serbs proud of the genocide they held.
I regularly see Americans on 4chan celebrate the bombings of hospitals and schools by their drone strikes, and proud of figures that bragged about killing civillians.
But I've never seen any single Jordanian celebrate the bombings of Belgium or France.
But remember, we, Middle Easterners and North Africans are the unpeaceful bloodthirsty murderers who ought to be exterminated.

>>68254605
Not really, by the 13th century half of the Egyptian population was still christian, almost half a millenium after Mohammed.

>>68254320
cos w*stern euros always helped them

>>68265251

Not true. Coptics were still Christian, but at that point the majority of 'Egyptians' were actually Arabs

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>>68264856
Christianity exterminated Islam in Central Africa and South Sudan, and nearly exterminated it in the Balkans, Buddhism exterminated Islam in Vietnam and is exterminating Islam in Myanmar, WHILE atheism ceaselessly suck Shitslam's dick.

Atheism is a kike invention to allow islam to take over.

>>68265302

>kike invention
>literally worshipping a jew

>>68265292
You can check for yourself.

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>>68262682
>I have nothing to contribute so I'll be a pedant
It's another episode of when anglos try to appear smart

islam came to power while the byzantines and persians were weakened due to plagues and wars with eachother

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>>68265353
>literally worshipping a jew

Worshipping the Son of God who has white hair and red eyes according to Revelation, which mean that Jesus is an albinos, thus the whitest possible.

Jesus is the whitest human on Earth, it is why he was mostlty followed by whites a few centuries ago.

>>68265502
>He intrinsically believes it
Can't make this shit up

>>68265744
Unironically*

>>68265102
They support killings in France, Belgium etc by maintaining bloody savage cult. Islam is not a religion of peace and anyone who truly believes in what Quran says should be exterminated.

>>68265869
Can confirm they are calling to slaughter us in public and we can't touch them whitout being jailed, there are already Sharia in some place, i've even heard of black slaves imported from Sudan.

>>68265869
Yeah, right, and you the oh so peaceful person calling for use of atomic bombs are informing me on how Muslims who I grew up all my life around are so unpeaceful because of our faith. Haha.
Go fuck yourselves. Oh god, how much I hate hypocrites and your utter lack of self-awareness.

>>68265928
Yeah riiiiiight.

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>>68265744
>Denying the whiteness of God
Wew lad

>>68265959
I wouldn't say it if muslims sat in their shitholes, but they are tend to ruin it and then infest normal countries with themselves. And once they got there they start to ruin their new home too. Nothing more than vermins.

>>68266134
Muslims can't just sit in their shitholes because of peaceful white people like you who call for the use of atomic bombs and vote for war mongers so it can fullfill their Islamofobic fantasy dream and then call Muslims vermin for fleeing.

>>68266233

Did the Indians, Greeks, Slavs and Yazidis nuke you?

>>68266273
No.

>>68265959
>You can be stoned to death as punishment for refusing to believe in fancy shit
>He thinks he lives in peaceful society
That's the problem

>>68266299

Then????

>>68265436
dont lump us in with americans, please

>>68266233
Russia bombs you because your government can't handle its terrorists by itself.

>>68266322
There is no stoning penalty for anything in Jordan.
And we have Christians in Jordan.
>>68266328
Histroical empires acting like empires and seeking territory on expanse of other empires is not the fault of people or religion.

>>68266389
Yeah right terrorists in hospitals and schools.

>>68266424
>And we have Christians in Jordan.

Yes, you shot them


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/25/christian-writer-shot-dead-in-jordan-after-being-charged-with-in/

>>68266463
Sometimes yes, but when did we bomb these?

>>68266463
Damaged terrorists.

>>68266475
Almost everybody condemned his killing. Even salafist sheikhs said it was wrong - however they still recognized what he said as blasephemy.
In general on societal level, everybody treats Christians the same except for maybe some uneducated people.

>>68266551
But what does Quran say about infidels? Don't tell me this is"""wrong""" interpretation.

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>>68254442
Yes but it was not the core beliefs of christianity, Conquerors used it as an excuse. In Islam you're literally told to expand by the swrod. Subjugation of Infidels was also permitted by call of Jihad, which was in Islamic holy texsts. Crusades again were merely Defensive/opportunistic moves agains the verg growing Islam and never were permitted in any holy text apart from Pope Urbanus's speeches.

>>68266504
Seriously? It happens on regular basis.
Btw I don't think white people or Westerners or Russians or any people are in any way responsible for war crimes that they didn't take part in but when it comes to shitheads that do support these war crimes just because they're screwed in the head into believing that all Muslims are responsible for a terrorist attack even when they in no way condone it or accept it just because they share the same faith as them then yes I do.
>>68266532
What do you mean?

>>68266683
I heard recently USA bombed school or hospital in Syria, they said it was a mistake and apologized. There are many news about it when it happens and I don't often see them.

>>68266590
Islam like any other religion considers itself the most correct. So in the Quran it says infidels (except children and people who hadn't heard about it like in some parts of Africa and insane people) will go to hell.

>>68266783
I can google surahs, that call to kill/invade/etc infidels, but we both know they exist.

>>68254371
So did other religions that spread much slower.
I don't buy this meme, because slaughtering people will only breed resistance among the population.

I'm honestly of the opinion that the Jizya tax gave most people an economic incentive, while local rulers propagated the religion for extra tax money.

>>68266872
I know they exist. I know that in Islamic history there were so many horrible and ugly crimes committed unrightfully by Muslims on other people. I know all that. But this wasn't the prophet's or religion's fault. In general prophet only attacked people who attacked him. For example, pagan Arabs since the begining were killing and torturing Muslims, so this was a call for war. However, only combatants were to be killed. The prophet's uncle was a pagn who did not join pagan Arabs who were killing and torturing Muslims, so nobody tried to hurt him.

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>>68254320
because islam is basically supposed to be an answer to the confusion brought by christian elites.
basically a scheme to overthrow outdated schemes.
it just harder to be replaced because it affected mostly an uneducated and poor peasants, who take it seriously as liberating religion.

>>68266966
That's the problem with religions. Every one of them claims infidels are inferior, because otherwise religion wouldn't make sense. Why believe in something if you don't differ from someone who don't. Where is the profit?

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>>68266974
DELETE THIS

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>>68267194
Hmmm, Christianity proposes that unbelievers are misguided and god will judge them independently.

>>68267194
I think it's just a problem with humans in general. There's always evil people. You for example don't have a problem with nukes because you think these people are inferior to you and less worthy of life.

>>68267215

Ayy lmao

Atheism is cancer and Islam is the answer

>>68267278
Good solution: educate everyone, ban any hate cult.
Real solution: we've got degenerated leftists, they just import people with different culture, that doesn't fit western society and they don't do anything with it. Tension grows, society splits. Madmans take power. Seems like we will solve it the hard way, unfortunately.

>>68254320
Non-muslim taxes.
Also, a Muslim can't enslave a muslim, just saying

>>68265102
If we don't remember, I'm sure Muslims will continue to remind us.

>>68267547
>Also, a Muslim can't enslave a muslim, just saying

Lel no. They can and still enslave other Muslims, just look up what happens to foreign Muslim workers in Gulf/Arab countries

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>>68254320
How has Judaism spread so incredibly quick and overran the holiest of lands for Christians, Jews and Muslims while all other religions needed hundreds of years to even spread to one nation?

:^)

>>68254320
>other religions needed hundreds of years to even spread to one nation?
which nation became christian after it had been missionized for centuries?

>>68254320
It's because Europe was a shithole and no one could be half assed to convert rednecks who cant read.

>>68264465
>what make them fight aka islam
The fact that they get bombed and have their countries ivanded every decades probably isn't a good reason to fight foreigners who want to impose them a lifestyle and exploit their ressources.

Because us Muslims were led by the greatest men in history, at our helm stood giants, the bravest men who ever walked the planet, with a singular goal - to fight fi sabilillah.

>>68268534
Also this

>>68254320
>the holiest of lands for Christians, Jews
and nothing of value was lost
>Zoroastrians
;_;
they deserved better

>>68268534
Temudjin + Tsubodai > Muhammed + Khalid ibn al-Walid

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>>68268546
Allah said you must fuck off my country, be a real muslim for even once and leave it

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>>68268534
>>68268546
>Western Europe

>>68268633
>be a real muslim
But i'm not.

Also what you just posted don't ask muslims to go to muslim countries.

>>68268583
Their stories are extremely similar when you think about it.

>Muhammad and Genghis Khan turn their enemies (Khalid ibn-al Walid & Subudai respectively) into their best generals.
>Arabs and Mongols emerge from harsh areas (deserts and steppes respectively) to destroy their enemies.
>Both empires killed by succession problems

However Muhammad was much more than a warrior, he was a thinker, a philanthropist, a prophet. Genghis Khan only wanted to conquer. Fair play to him.

And Khalid ibn-al Walid is the greatest general ever.

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>>68268534
>>68268546
>>68268583
This is just sad.

>>68268712
Why do you live in a non Muslim country instead of Saudi or any other Muslim country?

>>68268748
I met many Muslims in Finland. Even in harsh, depressive countries like Finland we have a great community! It really warmed my heart.

>>68268769
Also explain why every religion and race has a beef with Islam? Does that not mean Islam has problem and you need to change a lot of things

>>68268748
Why does he make the movement to draw an arrow but has nothing in his hand?

>>68268712
>Genghis Khan only wanted to conquer
But he built cities and wrote laws to manage society. he's the father of most if not al of asian civilisation. Why is he so often shown as solely a conqueror?

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>>68268694
>muh we mudslim are ze most serious people in ourz religion
>muh every other vaiths are degenerate islolz iz ze burest vaith
>ask him to follow his book
>THE QURAN SAID THAT AS LONG I BELIEVE IN alla EVERYTHING IS FINE
Typical muslim everyone

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>>68268794
Yeah no. They're so minor population they don't even make a smidge in any charts. And most of those are just irreligius tatars. Those who truly believe won't correlate well with northern scandi ultra secular countries. There's about 0.5 % muslims in Finland and they're already getting to overrepresented in every aspect of crime. Yes you're the pinnacle of what humanity should be. But tatars are bro-tier tho.

>>68268769
>>68268827
Our religion is spreading and I contribute to its spread.

Also, that's mighty coming from a cow-worshipper, you have a beef with us Muslims, you had pogroms against Sikhs in the eighties, read this about Christians in India: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_violence_in_India

We must stand up against Hindus.

>>68268909
In Helsinki I saw many Muslims. You are probably a bönde.

>>68268868
Here's your (you)

islam, what a fucking shitshow

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>>68268984
Yeah that's literally where they're all at. and that's where they shall be contained. As i said charts and numbers speak for themselfs. I have no respect for anyone who calls himself a zealous muslim.

>>68254320
The reason Islam could expand so rapidly is that Mohammed had united the tribes just at the moment when the Byzantines and Persians were ending a 25 year war that was devastating for both sides so they could barely defend themselves from the Arab raids which then turned into conquests.

>>68254501
Underrated as fuck

>>68254320
Islam basically embodies the male power fantasy. It even promises you will get what are basically magic sexbots in heaven(not even making this shit up)

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>>68269033
I don't need your respect, bönde.

>>68268984
In Helsinki i saw many sandniggers*

FTFY

>>68269111
Cool, and we don't need you're stupid backwards religion to throw us back into those glorious days of idiocy and ignorancy. Touché

>>68269033
Is a bönde like a Finnish redneck?

>>68269181
inshaallah

>>68269183
It's an slur used by the people living in the capital area for anything outside of the capital.

>>68269152
The typical non-Muslim shows his racist views. The Prophet said:

>“There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab. Neither is the white superior over the black, nor is the black superior over the white — except by piety."

We must heed his words.

>>68269252
t. Sadiq Khan

>>68269325
t. fish

>>68268956
>resisting invasion is the same as invanding
didnt expect anything better than this from a muslim. I never saw any of you having a mind of your own, you just spew whatever bullshit is written in your book and act more like a brainwashed cult.

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>>68269252
Christianity is true, anon.

I implore you to read Isaiah chapter 53, written almost 600 years before Christ, and see how it speaks of Jesus, and his life, and how "...he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

God bless.

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>>68269435
This. Thanks based Pajeet.

>>68269413
>Muh i'm not a race traitor
>Side with the paki and the algayrian

Pick one

>>68269435
I gave you an answer and you completely ignored it.

Hindus fought us, Hindus organised pogroms against Sikhs a few decades ago, Hindus regularly attack Christians in India. So what makes you feel superior? You can't answer that.

Hindus are the scourge of humanity.

Basically Islam is Judaism injected with steroids by a warlord and also with some Christian dogma sprinkled in. Its a religion based on conquering. Religion of peace is partially correct. Similiar to Jews, Islam encourages a tribal mentality, but on a massive scale. It is a religion of peace, but ONLY if you are Muslim.

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>>68269620
Maybe, but the definition of "Muslim" differs from person to person, so Muslim countries are always unstable and wracked with violence.

>>68269620
>but ONLY if you are Muslim
Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Algeria are ridden with terrorism despite being 100% muslim

There is no peace in islam, this is just a hate cult, first they hate the infidels, then they those who aren't faithful enough, all is based on hate.

So what if Islam expands by war? The strong shall inherit the earth.

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>>68269730
Now that nations are nuclear armed, if Islam gets into a world war and wins, it'll just end up being "king of the ashes"

>>68269730
They'll inherit a nuclear wasteland when they're done with it.

No religion caused as much destruction as Christianity. Christianity is a lion in sheep's clothing, claiming to spread a message of love, yet spreading ONLY genocide.

If us Muslims were as bloodthirsty as you claim, we'd convert to Christianity so we could revel in the numerous atrocities comitted by our spiritual ancestors.

*looks at the clock*
*nods approvingly*
*gets solemn*

It's time, lads

*kneels down, prostrated, facing Mecca*

>>68269718
We are Muslim and last terrorist attack was in 2005.
I think you are the hateful person.

>>68269730
Literally beg and crawl in Europe while claiming to be a refugee, then do a lot of kid thanks to the wellfare the we
give you.

Not only you're cowards who flee their countries but you're trash not even able to obtain your own money, you don't fight you beg to be allowed in, then you beg for wellfare.

Because people were stupid and tend to believe in religious crap. Thankfully people novadays are more clever to not fall into superstitions, yes guys?

>>68269564
Did you even read what I wrote?
Islam and christianity both came from invading forces forcefully converted a lot of the population, so it makes perfect sense for local population to have a resentment of them. Japan also did this with christians and china and myanmar and a lot of other east asian countries are doing it with muslims.
The only one out of place is the sikhs one, but the first major conflict bewteen hindus and sikhs goes only two decades back, and most indian sikhs have forgotten about it already. It started with congress' (which was a socialist party, NOT a hindu one) leader and India's then prime minister launching an attack on one of the most prized sikh temples on the accusation that they stored weapons in the temple. This led to her assassination by her sikh bodygaurd which then resulted in nationwide riots (particularly by thugs and gangs pouncing an opportunity to loot). Only sikhs still butthurt about that are the ones who fled the country at that time and live in canada.

>>68269826
I absolutely agree with you anon, a huge number of people have claimed to follow God and done evil in his name, which neither commanded nor wanted. It's like he says in Isaiah 29:13,

"And so the Lord says, "These people say they are mine. They honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. And their worship of me is nothing but man-made rules learned by rote.""

But i'm not a Christian just because I think it's a good social program. I genuinely think it's true - that is, i'm convinced by the evidence. What do you think of Isaiah 53?

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>>68269800
put us out of our misery America-kun

>>68269961
What do you think of John 12:14, m8?

>>68270049
A verse where Jesus sits on a donkey to fulfill the prophecy about him entering Jerusalem on a donkey?

>>68270123
I thought it's about when he saw a young slag with good ass and sat near her...

>>68269876
By the way one reason they don't work because even if they are educated and have degrees once they see that their names are Ahmad Muhammad Al-Ahmadi they can say bye bye to all job opportunities.
Anyway I also agree with you I think this recent mass Muslim immigrarion thing was a stupid idea because our cultures are in direct conflict. I think if people want to live in a certain society they should be ready to live according to the rules of that society. But I respect the help.

>>68269826
fuck off filthy paki

>>68269539
These muslim posts look too stupid, I refuse to believe they aren't trolls.

>>68254442
because christians were busy debating between themselves which brances of christianity were true ones and which were heresies

im talking about arians, chalcedonians, nestonarians, around 600 AD~

>>68270159
Oh, no, the word 'ass' was first used as a word to refer to a donkey. It wasn't used as sexual slang until the 19th century, and I think that slang comes from the donkey meaning.

>>68269920
>one of the most prized sikh temples on the accusation that they stored weapons in the temple
Fucking Muslims, they are so predictably treacherous

>>68270218
I know m8, the word for rear part is "arse". But it's still hilarious sometimes.

>>68263940
La religion est une superstition désuète. Le seul but qu'il servait était un outil pour les rois d'opprimer les masses. Avant 1789, la plupart des gens vivaient dans la misère et n'avaient aucun droit, tandis que la noblesse et le clergé construisaient d'énormes palais pour eux-mêmes.

Comme Marx l'a dit, la religion est le stupéfiant du peuple. Il est utilisé comme une excuse pour supprimer la science, la pensée rationnelle, et de réprimer les femmes et les homosexuels. C'est une idée absurde pour les gens au 21e siècle de croire en un être magique qui vit dans le ciel et punit les gens si ils utilisent leurs organes génitaux d'une manière qu'il n'approuve pas.

L'humanité n'aura jamais la liberté jusqu'à ce que le dernier roi soit étranglé à mort avec les entrailles du dernier prêtre.

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>>68270242
Wew lad.

>>68270171
>Kill thousands of these filthy French infidels
>Cry because they hate you don't give you job


Muslim mindet everyone

>>68269876
>Literally beg and crawl in Europe while claiming to be a refugee, then do a lot of kid

It is well documented that muslim immigrants have lower fertility rates in each generation, until they synchronize with the local christian population. It turns out that fertility rates are influenced more by economic conditions than by religious backgrounds.

Muslims are not going to overcrowd europe with their offspring. Maybe they will convince people to convert in mass. If they do, it will only be the fault of christians.

That immigrants don't work hard enough is also a myth. I see immigrants every day and they work as much as anyone else. In my experience, it's slackers who like to criticize other people's work.

>>68270328
I'm sorry, you're saying this as if France doesn't have a fuckton of Muslim blood on its hands?

>>68270318
>Avant 1789,

Avant 1789, la France était entièrement blanche, et tout le monde nous respectait et nous craignait, notre culture rayonnait sur toute la terre et notre langue était la lingua FRANCA. Après 1789, nous sommes devenus des merdes lâches envahis par les nègres et les bougnoules, et personne ne nous respecte même dans notre propre pays, notre culture n'existe plus, et nous allons certainement disparaître.

De toute façon la question est vite réglée, les catholiques font plus de gosses que les athées et les "catholiques" non-pratiquants. Bientôt nous seront les seuls blancs dans ce pays, et nous sommes déjà entrain de créer former une société parallèle :
http://www.la-croix.com/Famille/Education/Les-ecoles-catholiques-hors-contrat-pleine-croissance-2016-06-08-1200767326

>>68270328
"Filthy French infidels" (as you say) killed by Muslims numbers don't compare at all to the horrendous war crimes done by the French in Algeria and other places.

>>68270376
LMAO

If it weren't for us the Christians would have genocided you in Central Africa, anyway, History shall remember that in this world there was once a people called European, and this people was the most gentle and advanced in the world, but these gentle and peaceful people were taken advantage by non-human muslims, and that nobody should never pity muslims and instead kill them by the most painful and violent mean.

After we disapear, it will be turn of the Chinese to rule, and our example will allow them both to prosper and to know how to deal with you.

>>68270801
>a people called european
no such thing you fucking EU shill

>>68270801
? Chinese don't need instruction on that, they already use flamethrowers to burn out guerillas in Xinjiang

>>68270870
Still not enough, they should use chemical weapons and don't spare women nor children; as Ashin Wirathu said you don't sleep next to a mad god.

>>68270801
Wow you get so defensive when someone accuses French of crimes, and yet every Muslim has to be killed because of your personal feelings.
I already said I'm against this mass Islamic immigration to Europe as our cultures are in direct conflict. France is the country of Frenchmen and should always be the country of Frenchmen. Those who move to France should be ready to do as French say because it is their country. I agree with you absolutely.
And white people will never go extinct. Only under the condition that Western Europe keeps accepting refugees at the same numbers for 10+ years (and all signs show against that so it won't happen because you have democracy) will it be possible for white people to become a minority in Western Europe. Don't forget East Europe and half of South America and Oceania. There will always be hundreds of millions of white people. But anyway, whatever makes you feel like an endangered species. Manbaby.

>>68270622
What crimes did Germans do to Muslims to deserve your presence?

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>>68270870
We love our muslims in Xinjiang.

>>68271677
Nothing.
Just Germany's chancellor is crazy.
I don't think Germany should have accepted refugees, but anyway I respect their help.
I think EU countries that wanted to help should have just funded the camps in Turkey and Jordan and Lebanon to improve their conditions not accept such large ethnic-replacement level numbers of immigrants from an entirely different culture.
It was a mistake. I hope it will be a lesson for the future.

>>68270622
What Swedes; Danes, Finns, and Nowegians commited against you to suffer your presence ?
Nothing

As i said you can't conquer us by strength so you use our kindness agaisnt us.

>>68271827
>>68271786
I don't think they should have accepted immigration.
But Europe's democratically-elected leaders invited them, of course they're going to come. Europe's democratically-elected leaders can also keep immigrants out. And honestly I hope you vote for national parties because this refugee crisis brought so much more damage to Europe than any good it originally wanted to achieve.

>>68271786
But Quran says you should invade infidels' land. Are you a bad muslim if you think your people should stay in your country?

I miss 2006 so much it causes me physical pain

>>68272052
What was so good about it?

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>>68271072
You are literally calling for genocide on our friends

>>68267416
Your way of thinking is literally the same as that of a retarded ISIS member.
You even want to kill people because they have different beliefs.

>>68272352
What do you propose to do with people who think that to kill or hate someone because he doesn't believe in shit is OK? Who think that women should cover their body because men are fucking animals and can't control themselves? Who praise the ancient book that says kill infidels? What would your do with them?

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>>68272204
>On our friend
My god with friend like you they don't need enemy, kek


Anyway, don't try to jew me Meng

>>68272569
All that stuff you're on about is mostly in Saudi Arabia which is an big 'ally' of the west. Most arab countries are secular.

>>68266597
>Crusades again were merely Defensive/opportunistic moves
very funny how this is what muslims say about jihad

>>68273393
That stuff is in Quran mate, their holy book. Also many countries were secular, now they've got cancer and there are no signs that they will cure it.

Christianity spread equally fast after the Roman Empire adopted it as state religion.

Muslims are a bit hardcore when it comes to cruelty.
Those guys in the middle east had tortures that would make the worst spanish inquisitor shiver in fear

>>68273393
>Most arab countries are secular
AH HA HA HA HA HA

Everyone who posted in the past 5 hours ITT is dumb and wrong

>>68254371
They didn't force anyone in Spain. They were smarter and heavily taxed christians so after two centuries most of the people in al-Andalus was a muslim. When they used violence was for the same reason christians were using it 300 years before Islam existed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_Córdoba

>>68254401
>islam was spread by the sword
>conquered lands didn't become majority muslim until centuries after
kys pablo

>>68254371
That didn't really happen. You converted or you paid a tax.

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>>68273482
Wll in Europes case it was mix of both. The first crusade was definetly just a retaliation to the conquests of Iberia, Sicily, Asia minor and such. Get my point? The rest of them were moreover economic and stratetic moves.

>>68273647
What a bunch of money-stealers.
No wonder our countries are in dire shit if we imported that shitty culture of theirs.

Fuckin desert culture i swear

>>68273741
>No wonder our countries are in dire shit if we imported that shitty culture of theirs.

Fuckin desert culture i swear
dumb nog

>>68254401
Just like Christianity in your country

>b-but the christians did it too

fucking muslims and their subhuman, kanker brained way of arguing.

such disgusting people

>>68273684
>The first crusade was definetly just a retaliation to the conquests of Iberia, Sicily, Asia minor and such
No, it was because the new ruler in jerusalem told christians (orthodox) they couldn't do their pilgrimage anymore

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war, they slaughtered them all.
hur dur religion = peace.
no retard there is no religion not now not ever, all demand blood.
arise and kill god.

>>68274155
>denying reality because it doesn't line up with your fantasies
shiggy diggy

>>68274297
What denying? He said that "they did it too" isn't an excuse.

>>68274297
Go back to algeria when you to post this pro muslim bullshit achmed

>>68272008
Living in non-Muslim land is supposed to be haram anyway
And honestly West is overrated. Apart from wealth and opportunity I like our way of life better..

>>68272569
>What do you propose to do with people who think that to kill or hate someone because he doesn't believe in shit is OK?
But you can kill or hate Muslims because you think our lifestyle is wrong?
>Who think that women should cover their body because men are fucking animals and can't control themselves?
I think women should just dress modestly imo. I don't like burqa but also I don't like people who walk half naked on the street (be them men or women). Most Muslim countries are like this.
Who praise the ancient book that says kill infidels? What would your do with them?
Like I said there's some rules to war and in general during the prophet life all those wars were in self-defence since since the begining they fought Muslims.


I don't think my opinion should be applied to Western countries because most Westerners are 1st. Not Muslim 2nd. Don't like Islam
They wish to preserve their culture values and and religion and etc. and it's their right to do so, as it is ours

>>68254320
Islam didn't actually "spread" to those areas for hundreds of years

Sure Muslims ruled the regions but they were full of Christians for a long time
Only when immigration to the New World started did the Christian population start to drop dramatically
Even in Egypt there are millions of Christians

Most people ITT are hypocritc bastards with double standards.

>>68254442
>Christians did that too
Yea but not as often or right away
Christianity didn't start spreading by the sword until long after the Roman Empire in the west crumbled

Islam was cutting heads right from the starting gate.

>>68254605
>Anglo Saxons
Just Saxons
An that was centuries after Christianity began

>>68263887
By what sword? There's no evidence that any invasion ever happened.

>>68277456
>But you can kill or hate Muslims because you think our lifestyle is wrong?
Killing or hating someone because he refuses to believe in your god isn't a livestyle.
>I think women should just dress modestly imo.
Why should they care about your opinion? Are you better then they?
>Like I said there's some rules to war and in general during the prophet life all those wars were in self-defence since since the begining they fought Muslims.
But still, you've got a holy book, your life guidance, and it says kill/invade/hate infidels.Or maybe if some parts are outdated we can write a new one, more peaceful?
>and it's their right to do so, as it is ours
Some parts of a culture become irrelevant in some time. It's ok to get rid of it.

>>68278079
We don't hate or kill non-Muslims. You're just ignorant and brainwashed to think we're evil. Really, ask any Christian Jordanian what it's like. Or maybe visit. Also you have lots of Muslims in Russia. I'm sure most of them aren't out killing Russians and most are blended in society.

Our society is conservative and we value dresscode and virginity and there's really nothing wrong with that. If Westerners don't want to value virginity and dresscode, it's their choice. It's their countries and their rules.

Some people misinterpret the book to use it as excuse to chimp out. And really these chimps exist from every religion. Have you heard of what Buddhists do to Muslims of Burma?

Yes some part of our culture is flawed and some of it should be changed (this applies to all cultures btw). But you don't hate all and wish death upon people because of their culture, you condemn a certain part within their culture. And if they (the masses) don't want change it's ok as long as they keep to themselves and not bring it somewhere else where the masses don't agree with. If they do move, they should be ready to change themselves in order to fit in with their society. I agree with you absolutely.

>>68278947
>We don't hate or kill non-Muslims.
Yeah sure you don't. Just some improper muslims do. Always "wrong" muslims are to blame. Usual muslims didnu nuffin. And you can freely come to your parents and say "Dad, mom, I don't believe in our god anymore". And your live won't change after that, yeah? Although maybe your country is THAT moderate, which I doubt, but many are not.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
Not very secular, huh?
>Also you have lots of Muslims in Russia. I'm sure most of them aren't out killing Russians and most are blended in society.
You probably don't know our history(even 90's) and don't know that there have almost always been social tension between muslims and non-muslims. And many muslims here don't actually live accordingly to Russian laws, what is unacceptable in my opinion.
>Some people misinterpret the book to use it as excuse to chimp out.
How can you misinterpret it? It's not some crazy math or physics, it's simple as fuck. I've read the bible and quran partly, there is nothing complicated in these books.
> And really these chimps exist from every religion. Have you heard of what Buddhists do to Muslims of Burma?
That's why religions should cease to exist.
>And if they (the masses) don't want change it's ok as long as they keep to themselves and not bring it somewhere else where the masses don't agree with.
What about people who were born in a muslim society? I bet many of them can't just quit.

>>68278947
>>68280002
Both of you are dicks who want to kill each other, and you're not that different from each other either

>>68280524
Behold, top-tier arguments from the most humane country in the world.

>>68280002
No, you're right, I can't. Of course my life will change.
Okay you are from Russia, how would your parents react if you went to them and told them you are gay?
There is no need to test the tolerance of people who think you're wrong.
Btw, Christians in the Middle East are also just as conservative (except maybe Lebanon). There was an ex-Christian girl who converted to Islam here and had her dad and uncle crushed her skull with a rock in the forest when they found out (Batool Haddad). This thing just affects tribal societies in general. Apostates are treated like traitors. How do you view Westerners who vote to let Muslims immigrate? Exactly.
However I'm talking about general attitude of born-Muslims and born-Christians to each other.. it's calm in Jordan at least.

And as far as I know it's just the Caucasian Muslims that have tension with Russians? Because there was genocide. Most of Russia's Muslims are tatars which are secular right? I think.

Even if religions stopped existing humans will fight over other things

Well of course it's hard. They'd have to lose their family and maybe their friends or even have to leave their homeland. But really there's no need for any of this when one can just stop practising without intentionally trying to provoke others just to prove a point

>>68277604
includes you as well, hypocritical bastard

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>>68280888
*forgot the image

and
>dubs

>>68280780
It's only natural cause we don't have what's in the following videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0hlW94HGAg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faGxSBRqrKg&t=195s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bM2r3qTeCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEANtr9sA8U

>>68280829
How do Jordanians cope with all the syrians?
I guess its easier because it would be like if we had to house 2 million french people or dutch, or are there tensions due to life getting harder and cultural tensions (if there are any)?

>>68280524
I don't want to kill anybody :/ I'm upset because the only time where bragging about murder is not seen barbaric and horrible is when the victims are Muslims. They see it as justified but if a Muslim does the same and brags about suicide bombings in Western countries (very rare) they chimp out, and suddenly all Muslims are to blame

>>68281152
>all Muslims are to blame
but all Muslims are to blame. Like Trump (pbuh) said, if you are not actively trying to flush these Islamic terrorists out, you are pretty much part of the problem

>>68273653
You have to go back Ahmed.

>>68280829
>Okay you are from Russia, how would your parents react if you went to them and told them you are gay?
They would say that I'm mental probably. But it is a bad thing about our society, I don't like it.
>There is no need to test the tolerance of people who think you're wrong.
You must have a chance to live in peace if you don't bother(I mean really bother, not just having other opinion on who created us) other people. If you don't, there is something wrong with society.
>There was an ex-Christian girl who converted to Islam here and had her dad and uncle crushed her skull with a rock in the forest when they found out (Batool Haddad).
Christianity has a lot of blood on its hands. I never said it's good.
>Even if religions stopped existing humans will fight over other things
Yeah of course, removing religion isn't the panacea, but I think it will be our step in the future.
>And as far as I know it's just the Caucasian Muslims that have tension with Russians?
Yes, most accidents happens there. Tatars are kinda alright, but they are really far from what you call a muslim. And even there you feel that you are in a muslim's land, not just Russian.
>But really there's no need for any of this when one can just stop practising without intentionally trying to provoke others just to prove a point
But won't others notice that you stopped doing all rituals and stuff? And anyway you couldn't do many thing you could have done in secular country. It seems to me that to escape a country is the only way. That's hard.

>>68281017
The difference is, videos from russia are on youtube and people laugh at it and videos from muslim's countries are on liveleak and people don't laugh at it at all.

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>mfw I just wanted an answer on why Islam spread so quickly
>mfw this thread literally turned into the 9th Crusade

>>68281713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOqAdRem6E

Basic humour and jackassery is existent everywhere tho.

>>68281863
>German
>Started genocide
Who would have thought.

>>68281713
You laugh at them cause of how common they occur in your society of savages

>>68281863
you already got your answer several times but are not ready to accept that your religion is a sick and deprived one (as in the case of all religion barring a couple). your religion and people only know the way of violence

>>68281956
You've got very special concept of humor.

>>68254320
fucking nazi starting wars again

>>68282086
Thank you, i tried to match yours.

>>68282012
Why do you assume I'm muslim? I'm agnoistic and was just really interested in this topic. But appearently, the main reason is that muslims spread Islam by sword and Christians diddnu nuffin

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>>68282169
That is what happened.
I also met at least one 'agnostic' who started a thread like this and later admitted he was part of the Muslim Brotherhood, so I'm very skeptical.

>>68282169
For a not so memetic answer, I often heard that (catholic) christianity lost its theeth as it was build on a wordly centralised power that could be questioned and thus loose its infallibility while islam is very decentralised but keeps a strict doctrine unlike hinduism which makes it a very resistant faith against attacks.

Hard Protestants are also like that (the european ones got re-assimilated by catholicism and slipped into irrelevance as a driving cultural force that can call for sprititual war), but they are mostly found in america which also proselytizes very sucessful in the last time.

Shias are more like catholics btw, with saints and local identities and rites interwoven often connected to some supreme mullah which might be the reason they also hardly expanded in the last time.
(And even in Persia they only went shia after they were already sunni afaik)

*unlike hinduism
Its decentralised like Hinduism but has a strict doctrine that does hardly change

>>68281133
I think most people don't hate them but I notice some trends. Pali-Jordanians mostly don't mind (for obvious reasons as they can relate) but Jordanian-Jordanians don't like them too much.
Some Jordanians hate them because of some bullshit about stealing jobs (its bullshit, there wasn't any jobs to begin with, young Jordanians are all heading to GCC for jobs)
And also some Jordanians are pissed off because ethnic Jordanians form 40-50% of Jordanian citizens (others are Palestinians), and we today we have lots of Syrians (mostly poor & work low jobs), same for Egyptians but they're not too many and all work in guarding buildings, and Iraqis who are rich (30-40% of population overall I think) so they are pissed because ethnic Jordanians are a minority in Jordan
Personally I'm for accepting refugees because it's our moral duty to help our neighbors. And also you really don't know what the future holds for you. For example before the war Iraq used to give Jordan free oil

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>>68282347
>he was part of the Muslim Brotherhood
W-what is the muslim brotherhood?

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>>68282464
Vatican II was a mistake

>>68282347
Just a friendly reminder that this map is complete shit.

>>68282790
It's Islamist fundementalist movement. But mostly not violent. They're from Egypt

>>68282347
Are you serious? You compare Muslim conquest battles from aaaaaall over history and from aaaaall different Islamic caliphates and empires but then only crusades (small period of time) for Christianity?
What about colonalism? It was Christian-influenced and spread Christianity to great extent. What about sectarian wars in Germany? What about catholic genocide to baltic pagans? What about genocide in Ireland? Reconquista? Srebrenica massacre? Etc. etc. etc.

>>68283376
It's not only muslim battles in the top part.

Because I guess Warner felt he hasn't inflated the number of points enough, some of them are just randomly added.

The one in slovenia for example. There never was a major battle here with muslims, but if I go by the location of that point, it might be the Battle of Frigidus, a battle between a christian and pagan Roman emperors.

But hey, as long as you can post it on 4chan to justify your hatred for an ideology...

>>68282688
>pissed because ethnic Jordanians are a minority in Jordan

Well, that IS hard to swallow, but this is more like a temporal state isnt it?
As in you give them shelter for as long as the war makes syria inhospitable and then expect them to return to rebuild, or is it planned to accept them as permanent population?

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>>68254442
>And the ancient egyptians tried to wipe out Judaism as well by killing or enslaving most jews.

>>68254320
Like Trump. Everybody thought it was a meme until it got too far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4bQL-AfW3Y

>>68283533
Turkish invasions of Slovenia they razed Vipavski Kriz and Kostanjevica na Krki in the Ottoman-Turkish wars, that is probably what the map represents.

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>>68283119
>But mostly not violent
thank you anon I feel much safer

>>68283539
Yeah it's expected. But really how long will that take... even if ISIS is finished the mess in Syria will be far from over. Same for Iraq.
And also even if all Syrians went back ethnic Jordanians aren't the majority of Jordanian citizens like I said

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>>68283792
Ottoman-Hapsburg wars rather. It also doesn't say "Major battles," only "battles". Why are you defending Islam also? If you are not a Muslim, it says you will have your skin burnt and torn off forever in Jahannam.

>>68283807
Do you think Isreal will expand their land onto the Jordanian land after they're done with Palestine?

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>>68283970
Israel doesn't want more Muslims in their land. They easily took over Sinai but gave it back because they didn't really want to expand that much.

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>>68283792
Ok, so now we're comparing raids on glorified villages from a few hundred people to battles like the siege of Antioch that involved, what, 40.000 soldiers, 60.000 soldiers?

Turkish raids in the balkans are a well known thing, but let's not kid ourselves, the hack Warner is trying to ellicit an emotional response by falsely dichotomising two entirely unrelated things in that disingenuous pic of his.

>>68283792
>>68283860
you don't have to be disingenuous to criticize islam
doing so only hurts your argument

>>68283860
Oh and I'm not defending anything, but the accurate portrayal of historic facts, you wiki warrior ideologue.

>>68284214
I think invading and burning down Slovenian villages is worth listing as an act of aggression.

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>>68284376
So is bombing and burning down villages in Egypt and Sudan, but would you call that a "christian conquest battle"?

>>68284512
It depends if the man doing it says he is doing it because he wants to spread Christianity. If so yes. Early Islam was definitely spread by people saying they wanted to spread Mohammedism - it was so successful because it was spread by the sword.

>>68284599
Oh ok. Remind me, which british writer wrote about the european mission of divine providence to conquer africa for the english peoples and so on and so on again?

I can't remember. But I still fail to see the dots from the 19th century "christian wars of agression" in the african parts of the map...


Also, you might want to read up on how islam initially spread throught the byzantine parts of the Levant, it was much more subversive than simple bruttish conquest.
I think you'll like it, there's quite a few neater way to spin islam as a big, malevolent force.

>>68284890
The only work needed to spin Islam as a big, malevolent force are the verses I mentioned - the ones that describe an eternal Hell, where non-Muslims will have their flesh torched, smoke poured down their throats, and their skin torn off and replaced so that they can "taste the torment anew".

When examining a doctrine, you don't just look at its effects, you look at its source. And the Quran is a book full of violence and horror. So when you see the collapsed states in the middle east, and the bloodthirsty hatred of ISIS, these are just the trees that've grown out of the soil that is the Quran and the life of Mohammed.

Sometimes it's because of globalization (it's easier for people to moe so for others to learn other things) and because people speak a lot about this religion especially TV who like to demonize it so people are interested by this religion...

>>68285136
I don't care about your stupid ideology-counterideology memes, I just wanted you to understand that that map is extremely shitty in terms of presenting a coherent and factual historical analysis.

Do what you wish, I see I'll gain no ground.

>>68254320
because it's the same religion as Christianity.

>>68285220
Alright. Thanks for the discussion, it was interesting.
>>68285289
It makes very different claims about the life of Jesus, and denies the most historically well-attested fact about his life (his crucifixion and subsequent death). I don't think you can realistically say it's the same religion.

Maybe Islam is just better than other religions, aslo in fact most of muslim world converted
through missionary missions which makes it truly religion of peace while christianity had spread through violence
t.Paki Khan

>>68285400
Your forgetting the divinity of Christ as a figure. Also Holy Mary and the Trinity.

>>68254460
This. I think this was also the reason Hitler (is said) to applaud Islam. Due to it's conquestive nature.

>>68285816
Well, those are Catholic doctrines, aren't they? When I say historically well-attested, I mean attested even by a secular Roman historian.

>>68285865
/pol/ never seemed to discuss this fact. I was surprised to find that Hitler allowed for Muslim volunteers in the Waffen-SS "Handschar" Division.