Quick reminder that Islam is not the problem so much as Western

>>67994909
you need to go back abdul

>>67994909
>implying that confrontation against Islam is a modern fad

Both are the problem, this >>67994972

>>67994909
fair enough
But I think one can't deny that Islam is a war-like religion that has a focus on military conquest

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>>67994909
The German Empire was an ally of the Ottoman Empire. Kaiser Wilhelm II called for jihad against British occupants in North Africa. Germany rejected to take part in the Iraq War.
Read a book, Jamal.

>>67994909
Then how come muslims also fight everyone in Eastern countries?

Well it certainly wasn't a problem 20 years ago. What happened

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>>67995013
Religion is what people make out of it.

Pic related is basically mother teresa x10

Ali Muhammed at the Ohio State University campus would agree.

>>67994909
takes one to know one

or did all those muslim lands got conquered so peacefully?

I'm not even going to mention how many christians were killed under the Turks because they were falsely accused of having converted to islam and being apostates, cases they always lost, and the accusers always got the spoils

fuck you and fuck your shitty towelhead religion, you can sure dish it out, but you start to whine and cry when you have to take it

>>67995133
that might be, but christianity was founded by a hippy, while islam was founded by a warlord
That kind of influences the religion

dis thred gun be gud

>>67995131
Wahhabi influence spreading further and further. Secular arab republics disappearing one after one due to western involvement (because most of them had ties to the soviets)

>>67994909
whatever.Hardcore jihadists/islamsits are literally sandigger's version of Nazism/fascism.
no wonder /pol/yps hate them so much

in the 50s 60s and early 70s a lot of middle eastern countries were commie af and pretty secular.

Of course we can't have that so let's fuck their shit up and prop up these cazy religious guys.

Yeah.Now religious extremism IS a problem.But it didn't use to be.

+when europe was in it's dark ages and people were just living in shit ,the arabs and byzantium were beacons of light in terms of culture and science.
they also had actual traps.read up on it.

>>67995240
>Of course we can't have that so let's fuck their shit up and prop up these cazy religious guys

Thank you, Jimmy Carter for aiding and abetting the takeover of Iran by Islamofascism. Now please die soon and join Comrade Fidel in Hell.

>>67994909
Mustafa go back to your beloved Islamic countries if you hate the West that much.

>>67995240
The idea of the Dark Ages stems from a historical lack of knowledge about the period. The term is not only horribly misleading, it's never really used by serious historians anymore. Arabic science peaked in the 1100 - 1200s; it declined because of a loss of written knowledge (RIP Baghdad) and a clear turn in islamic philosophy regarding the "hellenic arts" like mathematics (I forgot which muslim scholar started it, sorry).

>>67994909
God willing Marie Le Pen gets elected and ships OP back home.

>>67995392
It started with you guys fucking mossadegh up alongside the brits because of muh oil

>>67995570
> Arabic science
*Iranian science

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>>67995551
Are you Zionists even human?

>>67995653

T. Marzban

imagine if arabs were all christian and islam never existed

>>67995738
t. Ahmed "We wuz al-Khwarizmi and shiet" Abdullah

>>67995778

There's a quite a few Catholic and Orthodox Arabs here, and they're still Arabs.

>>67994909
No, the problem is that all the 'guest laborers' Europe received are the unwanted dindus that the Islamic countries cherrypicked because they're, duh, unwanted. These countries know this full well and they don't give a shit.

>>67995570
This. Iranian (not Ar*b) civilisation fell with the rise of Islam and the fall of Zoroastrism btw, same era.

>>67995729
I could ask the same for you zealot lot.

Also the land is theirs, right of conquest. You should know a thing or two about that.

>>67995778
someone's gotta invent it again then, greedy cunning warlords exist in every era, not only muhammad

>>67994909
Western imperialism worked wonderfully in Ar*b countries. The problem is that the West has left and one of the tribal fuckers took over and started subsidizing his tribe.

While the West was in control of the Middle-East, it was more or less safe because the occupying forces didn't tolerate that sectarian bullshit. But the eternal Germ had to fuck it all up.

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>>67995131
After USA bombed entire east asia since 1950s
the bombing of middle east started in 1980s. They want to overthrow the Afghan government by funding the opposition. That opposition is know todaz as AlQaeda. Eventually they grew out of control and gave birth to muslim extremism. So you can thank USA for that.

>>67995653
>>67995606
You have to go back, Firuz.

>>67995240
It was only really comfy and secular in urban areas though. The modern history of majority Muslim countries is of rural people pushing back against the modernization pursued by urban people.

>>67996266
Im not the first poster

>>67994909
Western imperialism was not any more severe in the Muslim world than it was in East Asia, this is a region of the world that was through the overwhelmingly largest part of it's history a "victim" only of Imperialism by non Europeans (Arabs Turks) for MENA we are taliking no more than decades, central Asia and south east Asia barely more than a century. Further the argument for local elites having been favored by the West was in accordance with local history and customs as is arguably the case for the kingdoms in Arabia who have rather profited at the expense of the rest of the world from resource extraction (namely oil) rather than be harmed by it, any unequality in the sharing or distribution of these resources was made by sovereign, non Western influenced, choices. Rather the Muslim world has enormously benefited from advances in the West and it's relationship has been mostly beneficial, as is currently the case for operation of the Suez canal in Egypt and the tourism industry in said nation.

>zionism
South America has a number of far larger cultural exclaves created by European colonization (the Guyanas) as does East Asia (Singapore, Hong Knog, etc.) and the Arab world, we are specifically discussing this region has been far less affected by Western intervention (the Allende or Arbenz coups in Latin America, the Vietnam war in Asia) but has actually largely promoted and influenced them (the invasion of Iraq which benefited gulf states) it's disngenous for Muslims to argue their particular problems are more important, and the Israeli-Palestine conflict has for too long drawn a disproportionate amount of resources and attention from the global community as opposed to areas which require these desperately (sub Saharan Africa) the reason for extremism in the Middle East is arguably more tied to Saudi funded extremism and the ancestral mess of tribalistic policies in the region than by Western intervention. CONT

>>67996977
CONT Finally Europe has for decades now engaged in constructive partnership and dialogue with the region despite continuing to suffer some of the worst effects of Islamic terror, the only country who can be argued to have any noxious influence in the region is currently the United States, not the West as a whole. Arabs reacting to matters of internal policy in Europe as if they were foreign policy issues, while themselves conducting far worse policies at home is hipocrisy and a large part of the problem in the region.

>>67994909
GO BACK TO ALGERIA WHEN YOU WANT TO POST THIS SHIT AND KILL YOURSELF AFTER DOING SO

>>67998271
Nous n'aurions pas dû coloniser et exploiter le peuple algérien depuis 130 ans. Lénine nous a appris que le colonialisme est la phase finale du capitalisme juste avant sa destruction. La classe capitaliste commence à faire face à une pression croissante des masses réprimées. Par conséquent, ils recourent au colonialisme pour créer de nouveaux marchés pour leurs biens et soulager la tension. Cela ne peut durer si longtemps avant l'effondrement inévitable de l'ordre bourgeois.

>>67994909
islam is going through the process just like the times of when Catholics in medieval era where slaughtering everyone they consider "heretic" or heathen give it more time and Islamic terrorism will end

I think the entire islam scare is absurd primarily because so few people actually die because of terrorists.
Most of the action is in the middle east, and it is because of USA for the most part.
I just wish the arabs would target them instead of Europe.

>>67998898
I don't think we have a couple of centuries to spare there, we live in a globalized world now

Fuck Muslims
I'm siding with Israel and the Jews next time
Lost ww2 thanks to Hitler and his fetish for Muslim cock

>>67998271
Algerians are Frenchmen. Didn't you know Algeria was once considered a department of France?

>>67995131
Bush

>>68000506
Oh man
That's why Dutch, Brits and Frenchs are much more cucked than we are

They actually consider Niggers, Pakis and so on as native Frenchman etc

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>>67994909
>>steal their natural resources
Pretty sure we buy them.

>>68000740
bait?

>>67995131
Cold war aftermath, gulf war, cheap labour immigration, take your pick

>>68000630
Not really Hans, never did

Have fun with your 2 million rapefugees though. You're totally not cucked indeed.

>>68000630
Watch your language, Hans.

>>68000824
>>68000865
zo mag ik het zien.

>>68000797
ssh

>>67994909

>implying you can't take both sides of the arguement and come to a rational conclusion without being an SJW or a stormfag

Hans, the fuck

>>68000797
Provide a specific example of a single natural resource being stolen from Muslims by the West

>>67995551

Get out of Palestine if you love Israel so much

A reasonable consensus? On my 4can?

Yea Islam isn't as bad when we don't bomb the shit out of it, but it's always been afraid of languages and cultures and religions and art and music.

>>67994909
>Americans overthrew Saddam
>therefore me driving this bus into a crowd on a beach promenade is not something I should be held accountable for
Get out of the driver's seat Abdul

>>67996164
More accurately we funded Mujaheddin, a faction of which became Al Qaeda

>>67999817
Europe, specifically France and the UK, created the clusterfuck. The US just perpetuates it.

>>68000934

Oil?

>>67999817
Why would terrorists attack real men who will turn around and massacre them like they did a decade ago?
They attack pussies who are genetic wastes who deserve to be eliminated from their pathetic existence.

>>67998717
Ceci, si tout le monde était resté chez soi bien gentiment, y'aurait pas eux toute ces merdes

This is some wah-it's-not-my-fault nigger tier logic. Muslims have no one but themselves to blame for being an uneducated cesspool. Their biggest problem is it's impossible for them to better themselves because Islam cannot be criticized and therefore they're stuck in a loop of never-ending strife because no one can come to terms with what is the problem

>>68000934
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Persian_Oil_Company

>>68001031

This. You know it's a pretty shitty religion when Muslims are preaching reform of it.

Talked with a few Turks online yesterday, both Muslim. The youth are getting pretty damn secular and don't really give a shit if someone is gay or not.

>>67994909

The Ottoman empire attacked US ships way before this shit went down, just for not being muslims.

>>68001180

So the Quillam foundation, Ayan Al Hisri and Maajid Nawaz aren't real then?

>>68000934
Not just Muslim countries, the West is basically exploiting all of Africa

>>68000934
Provide a specific example of a single natural resource not being stolen from Muslims by the West

>>68001276
Sand?

>>68001181
Would you prefer that oil have been grabbed by the Soviet Union instead? Because that's what they were plotting back then.

>>68001276

People. They came by themselves.

>>68001309

Yes, might have prevented America from being an oligarchy

>>68001309
>Would you prefer that oil have been grabbed by the Soviet Union instead?
Dude, it says in the article:
>Britain was unable to subvert Mossadegh as its embassy and officials had been evicted from Iran in October 1952, but successfully appealed in the U.S. to exaggerated anti-communist sentiments, depicting both Mossadegh and Iran as unstable and likely to fall to communism as they were weakened

>>68001369
Nah, it wasn't just the US here, it was Five Eyes bullshit running the show.

>>68001372
Mossadeq was a Soviet puppet so they could get a port on the Persian Gulf. Russian interest in Iran dates back to the 18th century desu.

>>68001135
Is bought and paid for, those opulent mega buildings and full cities in the middle of the desert that dot the Arabian peninsula are not being paid for with recitations of the Quran.

>>68001181
We also nationalized oil in Mexico when we felt conditions were unfair, I don't see your point.

>>68001446
>Mossadeq was a Soviet puppet
No, the National Front was about as far from the Soviets as you could get without being fascist.

>>67995131
Saudi Arabia. Islam was dying everywhere before they became a thing

>>67994909
islamists tried to destroyed europe for more than a millennium.
It's in their inner nature.

Had Mossadeq not been removed, the Iranian army was already planning his expulsion due to his increasingly pro-Moscow stance.

>>68001579
Wrongo. It has everything to do with Iran. Islamofascism started to become a problem almost entirely because of that country. The ME had been pretty comparatively secular before 1979.

Iran is the head of the snake; cut it off and the body dies with it.

>>68001270
Exploiting is a different thing, oil is a cartel so I wouldn't include it there. However I don't see other than a very few niche industries (gold, diamonds) that the West is sacking Africa today, on the contrary, how many people would starve to death in the copntinent without Western aid? Medical services? Loans? Peacekeeping?

We are currently discussing Muslims so don't make it a more complicated issue, different circumstances. Africa is responsible for most of it's own problems since the of colonization in the 1960's, by any objective measure they're worse off now than they were then.

>>68001701
Fucking retard

>>68001731
Europeans drew garbage colonial borders that had little, if anything to do with ethnic or geographic reality.

>>68001612
Mossadeq was incredibly popular with Iranians, including the army. Brits were butthurt that he nationalized their oil hegemony and attempted to pull a Guatemala on Iran.

>>67996977
>>67997132
Thankyou.

>>67995216
>Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

>>68001270
China is considered Western now? It's funny how they're running the game there nowadays and no one gives them shit for it.

>>68001701
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

hmmmm

>>68001808
So if we stay and krganise we are evil, but if we leave we are evil as well?

Make up your mind.

>>68001701
Iran funds shit like Hezbollah and Abu Sayyaf while Saudi Arabia funds ISIS and Boko Haram.

They're two sides of the same coin, both should be nuked off the face of the earth.

>>68001731
>Africa is responsible for most of it's own problems
Not really, but I already see how ignorant you are so I don't even bother discussing this topic

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>>67994909
>flag
>Mudslime b8

Tres bien

Now, what happened in the 1970s was that a certain US president, one Jimmy Carter, who was a stealth lover of all things Islamic, did undermine the Shah so that Islamofascism could take over Iran, a formerly secularized country and reliable US ally, and become a medieval theocratic shithole that puts women in body coverings, bans Western music, and hangs gays from execution cranes.

And worse, funds Islamic terrorism here, there, and everywhere.

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>>67994909

such a waste of money, instead of building some disgusting marble mosque could have improved the buildings that look like theyre made of mud

>>68001946
Britain and France went back on a multitude of promises they made to Arab leaders and finally backdoored them with allowing Jews to move to Israel, essentially saying 'fuck you' to the people living there.

>>68002079
There are 4x as many Mudslimes in Palestine now than there were in 1948.

>>68002112
That has more to do with medical technology improving than anything.

The other thing is that absolutely no Arab countries want to take Palis in except to put them in squalid refugee camps where they're treated as basically subhumans.

Yet Israel gladly took in Jews expelled from around the Middle East in 1967 when Muslim countries chimped out on them because of the aggressive war on Israel they started.

The West Bank and Gaza should of anything go back to Egypt and Jordan, but they sure don't want them.

>>67995216
Kind of doesn't, Abrahamic religions were/are political declarations in their times of relevance. What would happen anyways was consciously wrapped in a veil of sacrality, as it was the international etiquette of the times, so to say. What traces of Jesus being a hippy can you find in Middle-Ages Catholicism? Do you think Christian conservatives became so meek right at the times they did because that was the moment they finally reached enlightenment after centuries of studying the Bible, or simply because their resources became abundant enough to be able to afford being a bit compassionate?

>>68001976
That's just cheap ad hominem Ahmed, not my fault you find it triggering to use Western logic and be forced to link cause and effect

>>68001808
Have you ever heard of self determination? South Sudan just became independent, if you feel so strongly just re-draw your own borders. Or are other Africans, niot Europeans, getting in your way?

The reality is that modern nation states could have never been effectively drawn in south Saharan Africa given the region's extreme tribalization, who gets rights over a particular piece of land, those actually living there in sparse numbers? those whose livelyhoods depend on it through economic activity? those who have built their shrines there and consider the land sacred?Those who only move through the land but require it for territorial continuity? These may all be peoples who find it absolutely unacceptable to share a nation with the other guy because of some dumb tribal conflict, nevermind a real history of war or even ethnic cleansing. Should Europeans go back and re-divide the land? Are the losers just going to accept their decission?