>why do Cuban expats hate Fidel Castro so much >was it

>>67994423
If you think so then you know no shit about Fidel.

The guy was a fucking butcher who turned the place into tropical North Korea is why.

>>67994423
yes
fuck blacks

>you don't like communism? RACIST

"Cuban" Americans are the scum that profited from the fascist dictatorship of Batistuta.

They are traitors, ancestors of traitors and not Cuban anymore.

>>67994423
Cuz he was a dictator.

>>67994660
>They are traitors, ancestors of traitors and not Cuban anymore.
kek
fucking retarded moornigger.

>>67994660
Neck yourself, ANTIFA.

>>67994423
Probably for the same reason secular Persian expats hate Khomeini.

>>67994708
See
>>67994660
Replace Cubans with Persians.

>>67994660
This

>>67995058
>I know nothing
fucking guiris.

>>67995091
Shut up burger

>immigrants to the US from communist states
Live happy lives
>immigrants to communist states from the US
Whine until they get there, then whine some more, then come back home with their tails between their legs
>Boohooo Fidel dindu nuffin

>>67994423
No because he's a communist dictator, and Cuba is a communist shithole poor with no liberties since his revolution.

the funniest shit i heard from lefties defending him it's about cubans people having a lot of doctors, they don't know they offers medecine diplomes in cuba like some toy in cereal boxs.

>>67994561
Is this the information you get from school, from the news...?

I'm really curious on how they brainwash you this bad

>>67995434
But you'll still have morons like Irish Commie Troll above that will defend Cuba from their comfy Western country that's never experienced communism.

this

>>67994423
t. kaepernick

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>>67996053
>mfw watching the 49ers' record progression through the season

>>67996131
Tell me about it because I am not /sp/

>>67995499
You are the kind of douche who thinks Montoneros and Tupamaros were good people?

>>67994561
Why are Americans still taught 1950s propaganda as fact?

>>67995434
FN fascistes comme vous besoin de recevoir une éducation. Cuba dans les années 1950 était une misérable dictature fantoche américaine où les gens n'avaient pas de droits humains et le crime organisé contrôlait tout. Castro expulsa les criminels organisés et les impérialistes américains et rendit la nation au peuple. Cuba a aujourd'hui des soins de santé universels, un emploi et un logement pour tous. Le peuple cubain a également aidé les peuples d'Amérique latine dans leur lutte contre l'impérialisme américain.

Je parie que vous défendriez aussi notre colonialisme passé et l'exploitation du peuple d'Afrique et d'Indochine.

>>67996413
maybe because it's true bougnoule? go back to vote merluchon!

>>67996858
It's true in a way, but it's certainly an exaggeration. It's hard to be half as bad as North Korea.

>>67996413
>it's propaganda made by Joe McCarthy in 1953 that gommunism sucks crap

>>67996853
>Le peuple cubain a également aidé les peuples d'Amérique latine dans leur lutte contre l'impérialisme américain.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Mon cul, sa propagande a surtout donnez naissance à des guérillas marxistes de criminels qui se sont fait arreter bien avant que l'opération condor soit mise en place et qui ont justement servi d'excuses à mettre en place des dictatures.

tu trolle j'espère ? surtout que pour croire toute les conneries comme ces histoires de médecins alors que les gars ils leur filent limite des diplomes sorti d'un paquet de céréales, qui sont parfois juste pour le prestige en précisant qu'ils n'ont jamais excercé tel métier.

Cuba est un pays de merde, en retard et ultra pauvre, avec des mecs qui gardent surveillent la vie des gens à chaque coins de rues et les forcent à se déplacer pour écouter les discours de ce vieux con durant deux heures, autrement ils sont fichés si ils ne se sont pas rendu au déplacement.

>Je parie que vous défendriez aussi notre colonialisme passé et l'exploitation du peuple d'Afrique et d'Indochine.
c'est simplement des conquetes jean-cocu, comme n'importe quelles autres conquetes dans l'histoire, et c'est terminé jean-cocu tu comprend ? va te palucher sur blacked maintenant et voter mélenchon, je me marrerais bien quand momo t'éclatera le crane dans quelques années.

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A lot has changed with Fidel but, in short, before the Cold War was over, Cuba was still what it was in its early independent days - an undeveloped nation that lacked freedom of demonstration, censored their own statistics and was little more than a puppet of a super power.

>>67997364
t. know nothing monkey

>>67994423
because he was an asshole. he was just a dictator. no point in fantasizing it

>>67996853
Vous pouvez continuer à fantasmer sur l'élection de Le Pen et la marche dans les quartiers d'immigrants à Paris et Marseille, tout en portant votre brassard croix gammée que vous ethniquement nettoyer les enfants bruns et noirs. Je suis sûr que votre grand père qui a collaboré avec les nazis serait très heureux avec vous. En fait, vous pouvez probablement obtenir son ancien SS uniforme du placard et le porter.

Telle est la triste réalité des partisans des FN.

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>>67996232
in short,

>>67997536
Please enlighten us all

>>67994423
>Middle and upper class Cubans have to become imm*grants in Fl*rida due to Revolution
>US can't into Cuba due to based Castro
>Eternally butthurt but at least get to feel superior to poor gommie islanders
Pretty sad that by celebrating his death they think they """won"""

>>67994423
Because Cuban expats were either losers of the Revolution or economic immigrants who must pretend they were persecuted by the new regime. Castro nationalized their assets so it's understandable they hate him.

Majority of regular Cubans want political liberalization, but they also don't want to lose what's good about socialism - mainly good healthcare and education.

>>67994423
i dont know who this guy is but hes nd asshole

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>>67995434
>Cuba is a communist shithole

To be fair, it's not real communism. Fidel's government hardly followed the true Marxist tenets at all.

>>67994423
Because he made life pretty shitty after the Soviet Union failed, and those who left before just hated communism so by extension they hated the man who implemented communism in their country.

>>67994423
>Cuban expats
>Implying they will come back

>>67995434

>lefties defending him

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mRkNDHW3nog

>>67994660
>Batistuta
Kek

>>68002175
>5:02

Now all we need are the pics of Jimmuh the Peanut with Kim Il Sung and Yasser Arafat.

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>>67994423
Because they are fascists who glorify Batista

>>68002175
>everything was completely stagnant and frozen in a time capsule

Oh yeah. It's just like North Korea--condemned to live in 1965 forever.

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>>67994660
>Batistuta
Yeah, fuck that piece of shit

>>68002562
>>68002670

Pretty sure Kim is Juche not communist.

But all the same, the authoritarian left I find to be as despicable as the authoritarian right

>>68002771
The fact that other LatAm rulers with domination in in politics/American pawn did better then him is pretty sad.

>>68002808
At least everyone is equal under the authoritarian left.

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>>67999551
so how would this book explain gay people who were never molested?

>>68002901
Yeah, that's why I don't really trust Argies being dictators, especially if their main job is playing football in Italy

>>68003127
If women have more than four kids, there is an increased chance of producing a gay son because each successive pregnancy increases the amount of estrogen that the fetus is exposed to.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/castro-s-death-a-reminder-in-china-of-changed-communist-axis-1.3178026

>Chinese state television rolled out hours of historical footage. Voiceovers highlighted Castro's cigar-chomping charisma, ideological conviction and seeming "invincibility," while denouncing U.S. intelligence operations against him and crippling U.S. sanctions against his country

You know, I would kind of expect this from China, but it gets a little bit...uh...over the top when our own media like HuffPo, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, etc recite this exact same propaganda.

>>68003130
kek

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>>67994423

pretty disgusting the amount of commies here desu

Anybody who unironically defends Castro or communism needs to end themselves now.

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>>68003510
>tfw Soviet union lost the Cold War

WE WILL RISE AGAIN

>>68003618
>>68003510
>point out what a shitty totalitarian hellhole Cuba is
>leftards have no argument except whataboutism over Batista

>>68003691
They're all dumb teenagers who live in Western countries that never experienced communism in their moms basement.

>>68003618
>polish rat trying to be an authority
pls no

>>68003691
Cuba is the most developed country in the region, even after all the sanctions

>>68003804
Half of Germany is a shithole because of gommunism as well, and you're still paying for it over 25 years later.

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>>68003870
>Cuba is the most developed country in the region

>>68002950
Yes, Cuban people loves Obama. I was there during the visit, and I saw some young people waving US flags. Lots of taxis have little US flags on board.

A famous Cuban writer even said "Obama's administration was a 8 year vacation for the Cubans".

>>68003691
That's actually the only point of Castro's regime, freeing Cuba from US imperialism and giving free education and free healthcare to its people. Also crime is very rare in Cuba.
It's very hard to survive there, but in some points you would like your country to be as developed as Cuba.

>>68003870
So?

Developed or not it's still an oppressive communist state

>>68003782
>I can tell everything about your life based on a single 4chan post
How do you do this, Sherlock?

>>68003870
>Cuba is the most developed country in the region
and what cherrypicked region might that be? You know it is an objective failure of a country when compared to other white countries in North America so you're going to compare it to Haiti and the Dominican Republic so you get the answer you want?

Now lemme tell you what the worker's paradise is like. My country enjoyed all this for half a century.

*You have no freedom or right to control your own destiny. The state tells you where you can live and what jobs you can have.
*Consumer goods are poor quality and in short supply--it can take months to purchase a bicycle, TV set, or coffee table.
*Jobs are mostly assigned based on your status as a member of the proletarian class such as "worker" or "peasant", or because you have connections to some party bigshot, and you could be denied a job if a member of your family did something politically unacceptable.
*If you complain about anything, you go to jail or a labor camp.
*Religion is either banned or strictly controlled by the state.
*You need permission to travel outside the country.
*Food is poor quality and limited in supply--markets often only have a few items on sale. People literally get sick and experience malnutrition from the shitty diet.
*There are no free elections and government officials do not have to answer to the public.
*All media, art, and entertainment must conform to the state agenda--this includes glorifying the party or the leader and schlocky propaganda art of muscled factory workers while demonizing whatever ideologies/people/countries the party wants demonized.
*The print and electronic media only report whatever news the state wants you to hear while not mentioning what they don't want you to know.
*There is no independent judiciary and you do not have a right to a fair trial or legal representation.
*Hotels and apartments are bugged, so be careful what you say.
*Some cities are "closed" meaning you cannot visit them without official permission.

>>68003918
Most developed country in the Caribbean and even more developed than Mexico.

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>>68004056
>Most developed country in the Caribbean and even more developed than Mexico.
Wow!

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>le poor communist shithole
literally better off than most capitalist countries in the continent

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>>68003922
>freed Cuba from imperialism
>freed

Funny that I seem to remember that instead Castro turn Cuba into a Russian colony instead of US one.

>>68003957
Cuba has to be compared with countries like Dominican Republic of Haiti. It is in nothing similar to Nord America.

>>68004001
Chinks and Russians seemed to like it.

>>68004001
I love how he continues to ignore where you pointed out that communism fucked up half of Germany and it's been costing them $$$ every since.

>native Cubans themselves celebrate Castro's death
>Frenchie commie tries to explain why they're wrong

>>68002906
You wish.

>t. I hate dthnic minorities stalin.

>>68004350
>native

>>68004265
His grandparents were probably Stasi members.

>>68004385
Cuban citizens, my bad.

>>68003882
I live in eastern Germany. It's not even close to be considered a shithole. The GDR basically had the same HDI as the United States.

>>68002906
Everyone but the one's in power, right? The ones that make the state shit for everyone but themselves?

>>68004217
Oh yeah.

>heroic little Cuba stood up to the US imperialists for half a century

It takes a lot of courage to do that when you have Soviet nukes stationed on your soil.

>>68004217
Wrong.
Russian was supplying Cuba to make it a showcase for Revolution across the world. Russia helping Cuba's economy, whereas the US literally turned the island into a brothel.
On its own politics Cuba was independent, this is why it is even more communist than the Soviet Union was.

Btw I'm not gonna defend Castro, for what I experienced I know all of these points >>68004001 are true.

>>68004425
Yep, his grandparents were Stasi agents. Called it.

It's no different here really. The only retards who think communism was okay are 70 year old ex-PZRP members and their dumb idiot offspring.

>>68004589
his regional flag is literally east Berlin so I'm guessing possibly parents, not even grandparents.

>>68004573
Hey moron, they were using Cuba as their attack dog to advance Soviet imperialism in the Third World and also as a giant aircraft carrier to put nuclear weapons 90 miles from the US.

Castro is shit. He never handed control over to the workers. Now Raul and the CPC are letting in foreign business and going to turn the country into another generic banana republic. Fuck them.

>>68004589
>Can't form a simple sentence without throwing around with hollow insults
You must have an IQ of 10 or something

>>68004638
>Soviet imperialism

Beg your pardon?. Imperialism is an action of capitalist nations. The USSR was a socialist country, ergo it would be impossible for it to have engaged in imperialism.

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>>68004743
>implying what he said probably isn't completely true
>implying there is a single valid reason for anybody from a former Eastern Bloc country to still be apologetic for communism besides selfish personal interests or brainwashing

FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT KARL MARX WAS A NEET NECKBEARD WHO LIVED OFF A RICH FRIEND'S MONEY AND NEVER ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING ON HIS OWN. ALL HE DID WAS WRITE A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT THAT HAS NEVER WORKED AND NEVER WILL WORK, AND THE ONLY THING IT EVER CAN LEAD TO IS PSYCHOPATHIC DEMAGOGUES GAINING POWER.

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>>68004638
Soviets, doing so ? Really ?
I'm >>68004573 and not >>68004800

>>68004734
Nah. bureaucracy is still fuckin heavy and the Party doesn't really want to attract foreign business. The current dominant class would never give up a single nail of influence to something/somebody else. Only Raul's death could change this.

Good ol' Poland. Always there when you need a little McCarthyism.

>>68005037
Poland literally the most unequal country in Europe.
>b-but we worked hard in order to get rid of communism and be 1st world like you

>>68002622
>Be fugees
>Commit a disproportionate amount of crimes compared to other immigrant groups
>Vote for the candidate adamantly against fugees that commit crimes

>>68005176
>Poland literally the most unequal country in Europe.
what is this even referring to
not an argument

>>68004980
Bet that what the Chinese thought before Deng Xiaoping. The US surely has factions in the party it supports and who if given power will open up Cuba to western exploitation.

Y seguir de modo cruel
la costumbre del delito,
hacer de Cuba un garito...
y en eso llegó Fidel.

>>68005176
My country is a shithole because commies killed off or deported everyone with an education. there's nothing left but the dregs of society now. we're still recovering from 50 years of economic and mental damage.

This happens in Cuba too. Everyone with an education lives in the US now.

>>68005273
>inequality
>not an argument
Just google "Poland + Inequality" and you'll see.

>>68005461
Income inequality is a meme problem and Poland is not even close to being the worst for it, we are in fact much worse.

>>68005451
>Everyone with an education lives in the US now.

Not to be offensive because I share your views on communism there >>68004001.
But I'm pretty sure that people living in Cuba are actually more educated than cuban americans. In Cuba your monthly salary is $20 but you have free foreign-language lessons and you can be a based doctor or jurist.
This is the paradox of Cuba, communism pushed human capital to its maximum but economic capital is crumbling.

>>68005540
>Income inequality is a meme problem
¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿???????????

>>68005693
>But I'm pretty sure that people living in Cuba are actually more educated than cuban americans. In Cuba your monthly salary is $20 but you have free foreign-language lessons and you can be a based doctor or jurist.
All possibility of rational discussion ended here.

>>67994698
>>67994704
t. gusanos balseros

>>68005817
Do you know any shit of Cuba ?

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>>68005451
All you can do is blame others and complain about the past.

Btw look at how east Germans excel in education, for some reason we don't have any lack of intellectualism. The difference is that Polish intellectuals didn't exist in the first place

>>67996234
Probably thinks the Falkland Islands belongs to Argentina as well

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>>68003634
Reminds me of Nausicca

>>68004233
>Dominican Republic of Haiti.
Surely you're baiting

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>>68003870
Not really

>>67996413

Because they need to be kept controlled by a constant fear that anyone, even an irrelevant, borderline bankrupt shit hole island, is the embodiment of evil and could take their freedums AT ANY MOMENT.

>>67996234
> its a western cucks think they know something about latam episode

each to tehir shitholes

>Americans are still mad that one country managed to slip away from their hands
It's time to let it go. Castro wasn't a saint at all, but defending Batista's regime is embarrassing.

>>68009751
>wew lad you need to live on shitholes to know about shitholes
>he not understand i actually talk shit about european retards who take seriously every shit leftist latin american politicians says, for exemple they think Pepe Mujica is a serious thing.

>retarded europeans literally unironically believe cuban data
lol you people are naive

>>68010297
they are brainwashed since the 60's, constantly repeating and believing the same outdated memes all over again.

>>68010297
>cuban data
???
It comes from the UNICEF, you silly

>>68010980
ah yes the UN such a great thing and not corrupt at all

>>68011022
It really isn't though.
How would the UN be corrupted by Cuba ? The UN's stats have always been very accurate such as for population growth as one mundane example.

>>68011088
because literally everybody that goes lives there and fled it say its shit but apparently its a tropical scandinavia

>>68011126
that's pretty typical of places in the 0.7 range and the stats don't suggest it's like a tropical Scandinavia

>>68011022
>>68011126
Nice strawman

>>68011325
>>68011309
holy fuck how dense are you, what ever believe in what you want

>>68011427
I'm not him babaca.
I think also you can keep denying facts and stay close-minded.

>>68011629
a yeah the best country in latin america where the travel adivesers advice people to take lots of basic shit like thootpaste and deodorant because the greatest country in southamerica cant provide them
http://www.tripcentral.ca/blog/things-to-bring-to-cuba/

Lot of dirty reds in this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBKu6u59o5o

>>68011691
https://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/10/06/inside-the-cuban-hospitals-that-castro-doesnt-want-tourists-to-see/
or the great cuban healthcare
Ranked 10/10 by the unicef and college campuses

>>68011691
>>68011770
Nice strawman, lad

>>68011838
ok

I remember reading some CHI cuban diaspora /int/ poster talking about the subject. According to him, the revolution was basically the poor peasants (almost all of whom were of native or slave admixture) taking power in the cities where previously people of mostly European descent lived (and supported Batista).

Of course he might have just been a dumb chicano spic /pol/tard mumbling a bunch of nonsense, but the theory is pretty interesting.

>>67994423
Generations of families were separated and displaced because of his crackdown on civil liberties and the US severing relations with Cuba.

>>68003397
>I don't always speak on behalf of a people I've never had had any contact with, but when I do, it's to stroke my own ideological ego

>>68003397
>real Cubans loved Castro, that's why they swam across the ocean to flee him

>>67994423
gay cubans hate him cause they were sent to camps and had to do forced labor before getting kicked out of the country and shipped to florida
rich people who were living in cuba hate him because the government seized their properties and businesses and kicked them out of the country. many of them were americans or of jewish or european descent, as well as a few cubans.
political opposition hate him for many reasons. there are the ones who were disappointed because what started as an american revolution ended up aligned to the urss' political agenda, the ones who opposed socialism or communism, the ones who opposed the revolution itself, the ones who demanded elections instead of a dictartorship, the ones who opposed cuba's role in the angolan civil war, etc.

>>68012960
Well this is the regular socialist hypocrisy.

>>67994423
yes

>>67994423
He upset the profit racketeering business of someone. Sugar, tobacco. And guess what? OIL.

>>68005202

Well you forgot the part where most are also stupid as fuck as well.

>>67995499
Tyrone please, there's hundreds of thousands of CUBANS, who LIVE IN CUBA, who risked their life on a boat to testify the shithole that Cuba is.

Kfaggots out REeeee

>>67994423
>>was it because he got along with black people

lol

"Racism is over, viva la revolucion"
"Hey wait a second, all the high-ranking officials are white. And the poorest people in the country are still black. And the police still discriminate against-"
"You're under arrest!"