The new Polish government is basically NK tier. Example: A professor

But they're conservative Christian and anti immigration, how could they be so deceitful?

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>>67854736

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>>67854736
Kaczyńskis grandpa was a stalinis judge who murdered Poles and his father was a snitch who gave info on the underground army soldiers so that the communists can kill them(after war). They are christian only for show.

why does eastern europe suck so much

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>>67854800
Demagogues have a easy time here because the people are angry so edgy opinions get support quickly.

Why do all former communist countries share the same political culture?

I mean at one point since 1989, this is how politics was:

>strong governing party, that will never get below 30% of votes, mainly voted by old people. Extremely corrupt.
>''left''/''right'', it doesn't matter they are are all the same centrist, populist mess and have some conservative slogans to attract votes.

>opposition party, still corrupt but a bit less then the governing one. They try to reform a bit, and pretend they are anti-corruption, to be able to attack the governing party.
>Best word to describe them:incompetent.

>Hippie liberals who gain votes because they are viewed as anti-establishment and are very vocal about corruption

>outright fascists.

So, it's the same in your country?

>>67854978
We got a corrupted ex ruling party. Liberals.

No leftists.

Right wingers(like PiS) ultra corrupt and with a propaganda machine of a communist scale.

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>>67854978
>watch some new wave Romanian films
>they could be translated into Polish 1:1 and nothing would change

>>67855017
Forgot about propaganda yeah.

PSD here has Antena3 as their propaganda station. It's fucking cancer.

>>67855074
PO(ex ruling party) had propaganda as well, they showed beaches full of immigrants(only males) and the reported(station is called TVN) was shouting "LOOK AT ALL THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN". It's some German tier shit.

One way or another we're fucked.

>>67854736
>implying immigration in Poland is a problem
>implying a country with 96% cristians has a threatened cristian identity

>>67855017
Also when I say ''hippie liberals'' I don't mean social lefties.

Even our meme party USR has come out ''supporting the traditional family''.

I mean more like, anti-corruption being their main talking point, like bribes in various parts of the administrations, putting people in position of power because they are your relatives.....etc

Still though, you wouldn't classify them as ''conservatives'', mostly they don't talk about social issues.

In Bulgarian politics we had a period where the right had imploded and the ex-commies had discredited themselves too hard. At the same time the nationalists were split up way too much and had lost momentum.
That's where gerb came from, they levitated on the political vacuum for a long while, playing conservative pro-EU right. But they never made reforms and now they are losing support.
We're going to have a big shift next elections.

I'm curious. Do you guys have ''THAT GUY'' in your parliament?

The extreme hippie.

We have Remus Cernea, the dude wanted human rights foe Dolphins, came out in favor of equal marriage....etc

To be honest though, the guy is pretty decent. He has attended every single Parliamentary meeting. I can count on one hand how many MP have done that.

>>67855222
No, literally nobody gives a shit about human rights besidethe gypsy party.
But they don't really care.
Must be our asian genes, lol.

>>67855222
we used to have them for the last few years

>>67855222

we had trannies in the parliament so yeah

>>67855282
>>67855271

We have just that 1 guy lol. He is an independent from the capital.

He is all those stereotypes. Feminist, speaks about Green stuff....etc

He is married to a hottie though.

I'll look for a photo wait

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that's the dude and his wife.

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>any discussion about economy
>suddenly people start talking about WW2 and questioning each other's patriotism

>>67854702
My grandfather always told me: "Never trust a pole! Never!!!"

poland
tak

>>67855379
>Governing party proposes huge raises of pensions of salaries and pensions

>opposition party complains of populism.
>3 days later they promise even bigger salary and pensions increases.

I fucking hate when political debate is limited to ''I'm raising the salary/pensions with X amount!!''
''Populists!! We will raise them by Y amount!!''
I'm not a leftiest, I consider myself pretty much a centriest, but good lord do I at least respect them for having ideas.

>>67855379
In Bulgaria they start claiming the other had more connecting with the commies, calling each other 'agenst" (snitches).
This is often followed by claims that they will finally open up the files on the commie agents.

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>>67855379
>GDP growth went down from 3,5% to 2,5%, eur and usd was at historical high just few days ago
>who cares, remember muh Smolensk, everyone but us is a commie and spy
.
>tells that they won't rise taxes
>they rise energy and water costs
kek

>>67855489
in Poland the files were apparently opened in the past but nobody knows what's inside so they claim that "they will tell" to threaten people

in Czechia the files were open publicly and anyone could've seen them lmao

>>67855356

>asc nu vei fii niciodata Remus Cernea in chastity cage in timp ce isi priveste nevasta fiind fututa de un bull african bine dotat

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>>67855507
>EU IS EBUL, FUCK EU
>*procedes to grab euromonies and vote pro EU army*

>>67854978
Lithuania in a nutshell

>>67855546
>implicand ca Cernea nu-i un armasar in pat si nevastasa are fantezii cu violuri

Si asta
>diaspora needs to die.

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I think we never had a gvernment that would lie more.

And after PO it says a lot.

>>67855583
Why does everyone do this?

All those anti-EU guys, yelling and screaming at home. But when they get to Bruxsells they are good little puppies...

Orban, Fico, PiS.....etc.

That's what people get for voting populists.

>>67855017
>Right wingers(like PiS)
They're national socialists 2bh
More of left wing

>>67855672
They are nothing, I would guess, just like here in Romania.

All parties are somewhat conservative, socially speaking.

But in rest they are all the same populist mess.


For fuck sake our ''''''''''Socialist'''''''''' party here wants tax cuts, while the center-right wing '''''''''''Liberals''''''''''', want to raise salaries.

It's a fucking mess

>>67855672
I know, but it's the easiest way t odescribe them fast.

Shame their socialist part ends on taking away our money and not from the super rich company directors(gov ones as well) and the new tax free earnings thing got shafted asap.

It's so fucking ogre atm.

>>67855662
Because they're just barking and other mutts follow them since barking is the only thing they understand.

>>67855751
3 more years

If they get reelected there is no future for this country

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>>67855600

100% armasar arian de rasa pura.

Bat la pariu ca isi ia strapon in cur zilnic.

I remembered coming from a flight from Amsterdam to Warsaw and we suddenly had border checks. people were cracking jokes looking at those serious faces of those "soldiers".

But of well, guess they do something to kill the time as well.

>>67855222
>dude wanted human rights for Dolphins
I'd vote for him.

>>67855799
ce ai cu saracu? Lasa sa-si bage ce vrea in cur. II amuzant, si macar voteaza pentru arestari.

Si arata cand nu vin la munca labagii din parlament.


Ce faci in UK boss?

>>67855779
I don't think it will happen, slowly they'll loose votes because even the dumbest of bydlos will see that their bills are higher, there's less work and they might even grow bored of smolensk.

>>67855423
How was your grandfather involved with the poles?

>>67855845
Besides his hippie social views he's pretty all right.

He votes to arrest corrupt MP's. He attends every single meating. He is pro-justice....etc.

A pretty cool guy.

>>67855872

Fur cupru.

>>67855900
>>67855779

How did they win?

I heard PO lost many votes to parties that didn't had enough to enter parliament, thus giving PiS a victory, is it true?

>>67855919
He tried to hide from the red army and poles snitched him out.

>>67855939
Serios boss.

Unde esti? Eu am stai 5 ani in Londra cat am studiat acolo.

>>67855972
PO was smug as fuck and self-confident that they can do everything, people flocked to small parties. PiS always had the 20-30% and than it went downhill. Also Tusk left PO to be the "president" of EU and a asshole manlet took his job(Schetyna) and he is just fucking awful, looks awful, behaves awful, he's gollum tier.

>>67855900
PiS is at 30% now
.N ~20%
PO ~15%
K15 ~8%
PSL ~5%
SLD ~5%

>>67855972
Two main reasons I think
1. Immigrants issue and PiS's promise to give free monies to everyone
2. PO was supposed to be a liberal party but they were pretty much centrist statists. This resulted in their previous voters voting for new party - .N (I did that too). This split in liberal vote made PiS relatively stronger because Polish system favours the biggest party

>>67856072
Nowoczesna is awful and scary(Soros sponsored), I wish PO would win instead of them but that ain't happening.

>>67854978
Thats us...for 23 years the same
People with critical thinking/brain are mad as fuck

>>67856108
They're the best option in my opinion
PO is dead for me since they nationalised OFE

Why do the anti-immigrant anti-EU parties do so well in Eastern Europe when there are no immigrants there and they depend on the EU for everything?

I thought France and Germany would be the ones electing these parties since they're not shitholes so immigrants go there and they pay for everything, but it's actually the opposite

>>67856059
That's how PNL, our opposition party is.

They allied with PSD years ago to beat PDL, they did that but PSD dominated the alliance.

They bled votes, as the avarage PNL voter hates PSD. They lost entire cities, even the capital to PSD because after the alliance broke 2 years ago, their infrastructure was dead, their ground game froze, as they looked to PSD for everything.

God thanks for Iohannis who managed to beat Ponta in 2014. Now the leader of PNL is a boring stupid lady who is a complete moron.

PNL is so dead right now, that they didn't even had a PM proposition.

Iohannis saved them when he brought Ciolos from the EU back in the country.

Now PNL is supporting Ciolos a technocrat that isn't even in their party as PM.

They survive only because people who hate PSD have few options.

>>67856146
Yeah OFE nationalisation was basically a fucking scam. Nowoczesna seems to be like the western "refugees welcome" party, very "what year is it" etc. plus the soros part is really disturbing.

Everything is better than pis though.

>>67856184
There is no anti-immigrant party. There is populism. If these parties thought they could get votes by being hippie refugee lovers they would do that.

Not all of EE countries are ant-iEU though. Being anti-EU in Romania is a death sentance.

>>67856184
75% Poles are pro-EU...

>>67856187
>PNL
>PDL
>PSD
Those names are confusing as fuck

>>67856227
>Nowoczesna seems to be like the western "refugees welcome" party, very "what year is it" etc.
Yes a liberal party, but no left-wing and SJW bullshit.

the current party has raised your international prestige, as well as made the krauts butthurt on several occasions as well as the French, I would be sad to see them go.

>>67856278
PSD= '''''''''''Socialist party of Romania''''''''''', they are the direct, though they deny, descendents of the Communists.

PNL= National Liberal party, they are quite old, existing since the 19th century

PDL= Liberal Democrat part=.... You know that party that exists only because of 1 dude? That is this. Our former president Basescu created it. It appeared after PNL was dying in the early 2000's and was flirting with PSD.

The party died in 2014. The cronnies and Basescu fanatics left to join him on forming PMP ''Popular Movement Party'', the others joined PNL after they broke their alliance with PSD and PNL became the main opposition party yet again. They formaly joined PNL in 2014 when both parties supported Iohannis for president

>>67854736
>how could they be so deceitful
Because most people in government are in "politics" for more than 30 years. Those post-communists parties are the same shit but different bucket.

>anti immigration
Daily remember that PiS is pro EU, and they will suck EU cocks. Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo (PiS) says: "lets do everything to not let euroscepticism grow in strength"
But why they don't support immigration politics when they are so pro EU?
Anti immigration politics was one of the main strategy to win latest election. If PiS starts doing against the voters, they will lose next election and winning an election was always the main goal for all post-communists parties.