For non-native English speakers: what was the hardest part of

>>67373651
> what was the hardest part of learning the language?

Dealing with English Speakers

>>67373651
The pronunciation

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english dick

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>>67373651
The so called "th" sound.
Seriously wtf is that sound

>>67373651
Been learning English since I was 6so I don't know. It just feels natural, the same way my native language feels.

>>67373740
I love when foreigners can't pronounce th and substitute other letters. It's always hilarious for some reason.

Things that aren't in Polish
- fuckload of past tenses
- a/an/the or none
I will never be able to use these properly I just dont fucking understand it

>>67373860
We usually pronounce it Z or D

>>67373740
I just don't get how some people can't pronounce th

>>67374030
This, it's not like here any contortions of the throat or anything

>>67373860
How many languages do you speak?

>>67374030
I don't get how anyone has problem pronouncing any one sound. The only thing I ever had trouble with was

люблю (Lyoublyou)

>>67373685
this

>>67373651
10 000 useless times.
Retarded pronunciation unrelated to spelling.

>>67374275
What do you mean by times? Do you mean "quarter to" or whatever?

Literally nothing besides the fact that I still can't seem to fully grasp the idea behind the use of "would", if I'm speaking English and I can't translate something that I want to express in English is probably because that sentence has the world "would" in it. Fuck you "would".

>>67373878
Existence is not assumed in English.

A and An is the same thing, but you use "an" when the next word starts with a vowel I think.

>>67374224
The only one that matters, English.

>>67374464
Wait, doesn't Spanish have a conditional form?

>>67374275
>10 000 useless times.
What did he mean by this?

>>67374536
>A and An is the same thing, but you use "an" when the next word starts with a vowel I think.
Vowel sound, more precisely ("an X-ray"), but yeah.

>>67374536
Close. Whether to use "a" or "an" is dependent on the pronunciation of a word, rather than its spelling.

For example, you wouldn't say "a honest response", or "an United Airlines airplane".

>>67374242
Ljubljana is a bit tricky. No wonder the Austrians just called it Laibach.

>>67374275
>>67374322
I mean tenses

>>67374464
Lmao I was trying to think of the concise way of explaining it but I could think of one, it's bizarre that you don't have an equivalent in Spanish though

>>67374464
What about could and should?

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>>67374322
>>67374621
LMAO
Okay, I understand that you don't need to learn English, but don't you learn formal grammar in school?

Picrelated is what I hate the most in English. 16 times (okay, some of them are meme and not used) + the same table for passive forms

>>67373651
Find out
Put off
Drop off
etc

>>67373651

the hardest thing for me is to know if I should say I am in the Supermarket or I am at the Supermarket.
Thats pretty much the only case in which I am not sure on what to say.

>>67373651
Speaking from the perspective of someone whose native language is phonetically poor: pronounciation. Many times I've witnessed Italians who have a great grasp of vocabulary and construction who instantly become IT'S-A ME MARIO the moment they open their mouths. It'd be easier if English pronounciation rules weren't basically LOL WHAT RULES

a/the/(none)
countable/uncountable

>>67374564
The conditional form is already implied in the word. For example:

"I would like that" = "me gustaria eso"

But it's the most complex ones the ones that drive crazy, for example:

"I would have done that" = "yo hubiera hecho eso"

Its use is kinda simple desu, but for some reason I always forget how to properly use it.

>>67374695
>says the guy who speaks polish
>polish has 7 cases

>>67374683
>>67374621
Yeah that's it. Makes sense to because you automatically choose the correct one anyway because it is easiest

>>67374275
>>67374850
Oh, you guys mean tenses. And these tenses do come naturally to us due to our syntax-oriented grammar, although I can see how foreigners might be confused.

>>67374860
And how to use of prepositions(at/on/in..)

"th" sound
I hope you anglos choke on it

>>67374722

we do, I dont understand his question

I would do it, lo haría

if you werent a 25 years old virgin no one would think you are a closeted homosexual

Si no fueras un virgen de 25 años nadie pensaría que eres un homosexual reprimido.

>>67374967
on - touching the surface of something and nothing else
at - the general preposition for determining location
in - being inside something

>>67374977
>ywn have a qt foreigner gf to tease about her inability to pronounce the "th" sound

>>67374850
Don't worry, bro. The perfect tenses, and the passive voice are hardly ever used in everyday speech.

>>67374464
"Would" is probably closest to the Spanish subjunctive, to be completely honest (although English itself does have a subjunctive).

>>67374977
>>67373740
>>67373947
What about "sh"?

>>67374886
You can always say at. In if you're actually inside and it's relevant.

When non-Anglos say they can't pronounce the "th" sound, which one are they referring to?

The hard "th" like in the word "the"?
Or the soft "th" like in the word "think"?
Or both?

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>>67375095
There is a difference?

>>67374927


Si me lo hubieras dicho no lo habría hecho

If you had told me that I wouldnt have done it

>>67374722
I know, but that's why I love Spanish

>>67374786
Those are perfectly fine, it's only the use of "would" that drives me crazy.

>>67375095
Generally both. One is just a voiced form of the other. It's the mouth position that's tricky.

Tfw the hardest sound in Swedish for an Anglo is Y. Just fucking Y.

>>67375151
>>67375095
The turns into de.
Think turns into tink.

So it doesn't matter.

>>67375151
Yes. Two to be precise
This and think are two different consonants for me.

>>67373651
articles, my language has no articles

>>67375199
Just say Y the same way you normally do but don't put the fucking W sound in

AT LEAST WE DON'T HAVE GENDERS

>>67375267
I think he's referring to the IPA /y/ sound, which is like German u with an umlaut, a sound which doesn't exist in English but which is simply a rounded form of "ee" IIRC

>>67375199
You know the Y is pronounced as I in most languages.
The I is pronounced as E.
The E is pronounced as A.

>>67373685
this

>>67375151
Yes, here you go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_dental_fricative
^Hard "th"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_fricative
^Soft "th"

Hope this helps in a way.

>>67375328
Ü?
That's just pronouncing a regular U while pretending and thinking you pronounce Y and you get the right sound, just barely joking

>>67375328
This. Getting it exactly right is very hard.

>>67375151

yes

TH as in Think or Thunder is like the Spanish Z that Spaniards pronounce, Greek also has that sound.

the TH of the, that, is different. it is this sound https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_dental_fricative

>>67375183
See that last bit of your sentence would had been very difficult to traduce (from Spanish to English) in seconds for me, I always get very insecure when using the word "would".

>>67375350
>The I is pronounced as E.
>The E is pronounced as A.
THIS THIS THIS

When I was in my first English class I couldn't understand why the fuck "a" became "e"

>>67375438
Swedish y. As in yrke

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>>67375314

>>67375438
It's U at the front of the mouth, IIRC.

>>67375456
Indeed

>>67375482
Blame the Great Vowel Shift of the Middle Ages

>>67375314
Fucking non-gendered scum. There are thousands of genders, check your privilege.

>>67375498
then see >>67375267

English Y= why
Proper Y= Y (just the one letter)

I lift my upper lip forward and up when I do it, try that

>>67375480
>traduce
you silly foreigners :3

traducir is translate in english, not traduce

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>>67374030
We can, it's just that it sounds retarded. Why would I fake a lisp?

>>67375506
Lel, honestly though genders in a language serve no purpose, they don't even make things sound nicer, they should all be removed

tfw I can't say I am going to a friend's house without expressing it it is a male or female.

>>67375584
>English Y= why
That's how it's pronounce as an individual letter in the alphabet. When it's actually in words, it's pretty much equivalent to i.

>>67375601
Because that's how it's pronounced in English you disrespectful motherfucker.

>>67375608
One could say the same thing about Articles in English.

>>67375684
The house or the friend? We still have distinctly male (John, William, etc.) and female (Jane, Kate, etc.) names

>>67375035
The problem with 'on' and 'in' are the abstracts situations, like: "Canadians don't stop shitposting 'on' 4Chan".
4chan doesn't have a physical surface, but 'on' still is more appropriate than 'in' in this case.

>>67375696
this

nobody says whyou

>>67375608
In the Dutch we have male/female (which changes nothing) and genderless.
I think it only changes the article of the word.

Things that are male or female get referred to as the. The man, the woman.
Genderless gets referred to as it. It house. It kid.

That's pretty much it.

>>67375768
>>67375696
I was talking about the letter alone.

>>67375696
Nah, we need "The" so you can make a bigger variety of band names

Choir
Elite
Colonel
Greenwich
Lieutenant
Facade
Memoir
Draught
Leicestershire
Loughborough
Squirrel

Some of the hardest words to pronounce properly, anyone wanna vocaroo? Be impressed if even fluent speakers got them all.

>>67373685
underrated snap

>>67375742
Also true, same thing with dates.
ON April 20th, 2069 but
IN 2069
Rather arbitrary, but still. I guess it's like "por"/"para" in Spanish

>>67375932
>Squirrel
I always say "squiroll"

>>67375932
>Quire
>Aleet
>Kernel
>Grenitch
>Lootenant/Leftenant (in American and British English, respectively)
>Fuh sahd
>Memwar
>Draft
>Lestersher
>Loffburo(?)
>Squirl/Squirrel

>>67375932
Norwayfag giving it a go. Forgive my depressed voice.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1BU6g3ukoA1

>>67375932

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0rlTlPZI1Mo

>>67376145
Good stuff, got them all but Greenwich and Draught.

Greenwich is a bit unfair, it's Gren-ich but how would anybody know that? and Draft.

>>67376344
>Choir
Oh wait, it was that music thing.

>>67373651
Nothing really.
Spanish is probably the hardest most broad language. I say that because spanish blends with all kinds of pronunciations. If I hear something like a movie in wapanese and then the englsih dub, is kinda alienating and unfitting. same with other languages, except with spanish. There is a lot "r"s in japanese, a lot of "a" and "y" on english, I think a lot of "g" in german (?, can't remember well) all of those are really commonly used in spanish.

>>67376388
I knew I was gonna bum out on Greenwich, but I really thought draught was straight up draught.

>>67376508
If it's any consolation, Americans spell it "draft".

There is "drought", that is pronounced "drowt".

>>67376398
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0mqSQxSFGAX

>>67375932
squire without the s
eee or ay leet
kerhnuhlhl
grenitch
poo in the loo tenant or leftenant if u r a poof
fuh saaahd
memwoar
draft
lester
lafbruh
skwirrul

>>67373651
The hardest part was and still is avoiding Americanisms.

>>67373651
>implying I can speak english

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>>67376032
in the midwest we just say scroll

>>67376666
Embarassing waste of quadruply repeating numbers.

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>>67376881
>scroll

>>67376590
If you wish to expose a Dutch person:

I rushed to my dog as he fell off a flat and into the great sea. Which is filled with mobs of crabs. He was my friend and he will be thoroughly missed.

>>67376881
squirl

>>67376909
>implying quads didn't confirm truth

>>67376927
Might want to insert a "have" somewhere.

>>67376590
it's lesta-sha you mong

>>67376970
>Implying the Canadians are anything more than moosefucking cucks who think they're tough

>>67377092
Apparently it used to be a more badass version of the US. Their English is still top notch.

>>67376443
for me the hardest part about spanish is talking with native speakers. i can read and write it well but when i speak to someone, especially someone from cuba/puerto rico/dominican republic, it is really difficult to converse with them

>>67375095
The worst kind of mindfuckery is when you anglos do this shit where you make us aware of how utterly fucked pronounciation is
I know these are two different sounds and I pronounce them as such, but make me notice that and I'll go crazy because you basically learn it as is and roll with it without thinking

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Never had a problem because I've been learning it all my life.
But holly shit, why your politics books have to be written in such manner that drive me fucking insane, meanwhile your modern light novels are so insanely easy to read that you think you're going through a movie script.
And I'm not talking about the autor giving external references, I'm talking about he scrambled up syntax that forces you to read the paragraph 5 times in order to gasp the idea.

>>67377161
That's often the case when you learn a language. When I watch German tv I understand it all quite well. But a while ago I was in Germany and some woman at the counter asked which sauce I wanted and I had no clue what she wanted from me. Not to mention I couldn't answer her question when I found out what she did mean.

>>67375932
>borrow French word
>retain its original pronounciation albeit fucked up a bit
ah yes, the so-called English "language"

>>67377003
oh i missed the shire part, i was still in leicesterchampionsmode

>>67375932
>choir
/kwaJəɹ/
>elite
/əlit/ or /ɛlit/
>colonel
/kəɹnəl/
>Greenwich
Always thought it was /gɹinwJt͡ʃ/, but apparently it's /gɹɛnJt͡ʃ/
>Lieutenant
/lutɛnɛnt/ or /lutɛnJnt/
>facade
/fəsɑd/
>memoir
/mɛmwɑɹ/
>draught
British spelling of the word "draft"
/d͡ʒæft/
>Leicestershire
/lɛstəɹʃəɹ/
>Loughborough
Apparently it's /lɑfbɹɑ/
>squirrel
/skwəɹl/

>>67377316
dont bother with ipa on 4chan
also the point was not to look it up

>>67377145
Hmm, oh well. I still rate the English English as the best, but American a respectable second.

>>67375095
thought
thorough
that
they have the same sound of >th<, right?

>>67373740
From my tiny bit of teaching it was fun to work with that.

throw, though, through, thorough, thoroughly, thought, throughout.

>>67377316
>dont bother with ipa on 4chan
Yeah, it changed all my I's to J's.

Also, besides those weird British words, that's the way I pronounce them.

>>67374850
You're fucking Russian. Your language is a terrifyingly complicated mess of genders and cases. How could you possibly find English complicated?

>>67377210
hmm I see what you mean, yes that's very strange typically english is written left to right horizontally instead of bottom to top

>>67373651
Written =/= Spoken
>Flour -> thought it was flor but actually flower
>February -> Febuary

Choir = QUAeur
Elite = AEleet
Colonel = KOLnel
Greenwich = GREnich
Lieutenant = LEFtenant
Facade = FAsad (before, FAkaed)
Memoir = MAEmoar (before, Mae-mo-eir)
Draught = Draff (if heat, drogh)
Leicestershire = LAIStershy-air
Loughborough = LOObrogh (before, LOObo-raff)
Squirrel = Squee - rewl

>>67377415
thought and thorough are soft
that and they are hard

>>67373651
can't really remember, it's so long since i learned english

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>>67377210
>>67377477
lol sorry

>>67377442
>though
u trixy

>>67375932
how did I do>
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0gNtPx9S0OX

>>67373740

bite the tip of your tongue very softly with your very front teeth, then exhale air between the tongue and the top teeth. Lower the tip of your tongue away from the teeth slightly while exhaling to finish the sound.

tl;dr bite the tip of your tongue

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>>67373651
>I used to would have had having been

>>67377496
fuck me then, I've pronouncing them wrong since I learned them

Tenses. You're fucking anal about them. In colloquial German no one gives a fuck about tenses as long as you have an indicator word. Simple past, past perfect? Same fucking thing. Present progressive? Nah, just use simple present and say "currently". Talking about the future in simple present? No problem as long as you mention "tomorrow" or "next week".

For other Germans it's probably also "th". They can't pronounce it and nobody ever tells them that the most usable German sound is "d", so they all end up using "f" or "s", hence the "ZIS IS ZE TSHERMAN ENGLISH" stereotype.

>>67374850
English tenses have such shitty names. Who made up these things.

>continuous passive aggressive
>past particle of pertinacious motion
>simple perpetual condition of a desultory future

>>67377595
It seems very well written. I guess some of the syntax is unorthodox but it just makes it clearer and better sounding. That's what I'm sort of scared of if I ever stop being lazy and learn another language, is that I won't be able to read anything good.

>>67377315
FeelsBadMan

>>67377595
this is confusing for native english speakers too. textbook writers like to sound as smart as possible because they think it makes their work more credible

>>67375932
Quier
Elleet
Kernel
Greenwitch
Lootennant
Fussahd
Memoar
Draft
Lestershirr
Lawbrah
SQWWWUURRRRHHHLL

>>67377629
>corrected
Fasade
Draft
Lester-sheer
Luff-buh-ruh

frankly I prefer your pronunciation of low-bro though

i would say "LOFF-bur-o

>>67377595
OT, but there's something surreal in reading Machiavelli in English. I read it in Italian, my mind goes to cross-references to other authors and the real places in Italy he talks about, the palaces and castles belonging to the very real families involved in his reflections.
I read it in English and it's like I'm reading a White Dwarf manual about High Elves or something where even the Italian words seem to lose their immediate meaning. It's uncanny.

>>67373740
There are two "th" sounds actually.
The the one and the thick one

>>67375584
>>67375267
Wow thanks guys, I've been speaking Swedish for a couple years and that instantly cured my accent!

(not really. Y is just fucking awkward to get right)

>>67374850
On the other hand, native English speakers don't understand the concept of male/feminine or formal/informal language at all. Neither the structure or when it's appropriate in conversation.

>>67377824
>>67377859
>muh syntax
>hurr it's difficult
If anything University Textbook English is basically akin to Italian or Spanish in that the words' order and the prepositions are orderly for once. Learn Latin and that kind of syntax becomes crystal clear.
I'm not even memeing as I've personally been told by Burgers that.

>>67377824
>>67377859
Yeah don't get me wrong, I'm all about aesthetically pleasing writing, but dissecting this kind of paragraphs seems too complicated for me, it takes me hours just to go through a dozen of pages.
Spanish uses the different forms of punctuation for very specific reasons, if I want to apply those rules to these kind of books they don't make any sense.
I should probably go to some English literature classes or something like that, I have no idea where to take them, but I think it'd be worth the hassle.

>>67373740
When you push your tongue against your top two teeth.

>>67378253
>Neither the structure or when it's appropriate in conversation
Doubt. As a grammatical feature, sure, but as a stylistic thing? Everyone should.

>>67375314
The idea of gendered words always bugged me when I was learning French, because how can an inanimate object have a gender? It has no biology and doesn't even have a mind where it could identify as male/female, so why divide them into "le/la," "he/she"? It wasn't until I studied linguistics that I learned that "gender" is a completely different thing in grammar. Nouns with different genders are just different categories of nouns that came to be called genders because lol old school terminology. That's why the German word for "woman" is neuter and not feminine.

It still doesn't make sense when you think about it and English is better off without them, but it makes slightly more sense when you know genders for nouns aren't the same as genders for people.

>>67378501
English retains some gendered language, but only in terms of social roles. Waiter/Waitress.

I'm glad to see it slowly being phased out culturally sometimes. (seeing females referred to as an Actor for instance)

>>67378253
There usually isn't any logic behind genders in language anyway. You just have to get familiar with it through practise and immersion.

Formal and informal language can be a bit tricky. In Dutch for example you often begin polite, and then the other person acts "offended" that you don't have to be so polite because it makes him feel old, and then you stop doing it for that person. But if you don't do it at first then you might be impolite.

>>67377442
FUCK

>>67378482
I'm not so sure. English has a lot of inane rules but I can't think of any words that are directly inflected or changed depending on who you're speaking to. In a formal occasion I'd use a more formal vocabulary.

Imo it's a European cultural thing that takes actually living there to pick up.

>>67373651
I find it easy. Pip pip tally ho, wasssssup muthafukkas, you wot? Is it because you're retarded mexican?

>>67373738
Lewd, sama san

The hardest part of learning English? Hm, probably the concept of articles, polishing my pronunciation (it's still shitty), forcing myself to practice writing and speaking (otherwise your skills will decrease).

>>67378947
Yeah, that's what I meant as a grammatical feature. English doesn't poses that. Neither does Swedish with the exception of formal "You", which is fairly rarely used. (You even refer to your doctor by their given name typically).

It's just vocabulary choices in english, which is what I meant by a stylistic thing. Actually... which european languages other than maybe the slavic ones change word forms based on the status of the other, beyond simply using formal "You" and conjugations that go with that.

>>67377595
That page references too many other works to be easy to read for any normiefag. Also requires some basic understanding of what "virtu" means in italian aristocratic kulture.

>>67379238
>hich european languages other than maybe the slavic ones change word forms based on the status of the other,

Who cares? It's autistic, anon-chan.

I still do not get has-have, be-being and stuff like that.

One thing I think is absurd is the FUTURE PERFECT CONTINOUS

How many times do you guys use it?

>>67373740
worst sound

>>67379506
ULTRA RARE HOLY SHIT

>>67379506
R A R E

>>67379506
It is reptilian.

>>67379573
>>67379592
not really

seen Sri Lanka loads of times

>>67373651

Phrasal verbs. Fuck them

>>67379238
>"You" and conjugations that go with that

That alone is difficult as a learner though, particularly when it comes to addressing different or multiple people.

>>67378595 This guy summed up what I meant by appropriate use quite nicely. That kind of exchange does not happen in English.

>>67379361
Not really at all, it's a meme tense to us.

>>67379238
>formal "You"
Interesting how we phased out the informal You, while other Germanic languages are starting to phase out their formal You.

>>67374242
Rolling the r is hard as fuck

>>67379238
British people can often skilfully dodge a subject and imply things. English speakers can be very political in the way they speak. In the Netherlands that implies you are not a honest person and a probably coward. So we've not mastered that skill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIkgCbljJys

>>67379703
>while other Germanic languages are starting to phase out their formal You.
Swedish isn't any time soon. It's still very much using the word, just in its typical plural sense. It's just uncommon to refer to people with the type of deference you'll find in Anglo countries.

Different cultural values are at play.

>using the same pronoun for the Head of State and your sister
Sure this makes sense

>>67379703
How many times do you use it?

I tried to use it in a sentence, but it sounds so fucking artificial and rhetoric

In Russian you can place any word anywere.
For examle:

Я был дoмa.
I was at home.

In Russian you can say it: Я был дoмa. Был я дoмa. Я дoмa был. Дoмa был я.
Any word any place.
Why English is so computer?

>>67379361
Next to never. It's a really weird tense and quite awkward. It's only really used in hypothetical contexts.

>>67379361

Never heard of it

>>67379900
As in, "I shall have been going to the store?" Approximately zero times; as said before ITT, it comes naturally to us due to our syntax-oriented grammar, but no one uses these things in practice.

>>67379959
It's what happens when you don't have that much inflection.

>>67378253
>formal/informal language
What do you mean by this? Tы/вы for you? AFAIK English had it too, but "ты" analogue disappeared. Apart from that, I don't think we have formal and informal language, just different functional styles, like any other language.

>>67373651
all languages arent hard to learn. english is piss easy. being able to speak english doesnt make you clever you stupid arrogant fatfuck.

the problem is it takes a lot of time to memorize many "patterns". you dont need to analyze any complex construction/structure in learning a language because every language doesnt have such a complex grammatical one.

>>67379959
B-but you can say "At home I was"

>>67379959

You can put words in any order in Latin too, but it only works because the grammar is really complex and precise.

>>67380193
In the home was I when first heard I tell of dire news from abroad.

>>67373651
tense?

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>>67380193
Mayby it is. You right are.

>>67379361
had to google. strange, i would use those forms naturally if i said them even though i rarely ever have/would

so glad i never had to study this shit

>>67380260
>heard I tell
wtf

>>67380436
I'm using an archaic word order which would be easily understood by any native speaker with some degree of education. It's no big deal.

It only works with pronouns that have distinct subject and object forms.

>>67380177
>being able to speak english doesnt make you clever you stupid arrogant fatfuck.
Nothing in his post implied that it was you stupid Japanese subhuman faggot retard

>>67380061
"I will have been doing this for a long time now"

>>67380260
This sounds nice

>>67380497
Do I understand it right?

In the home WAS I :when: first HEARD I "tell of dire news from abroad".

Upper case is for "main words", :x: for connection words, "x" for separate objects.
I'm not sure I use proper terms

>>67381004
I was at home then I first heard about bad news from abroad.

I don't really know how you're attempting to parse it.

>>67380260
In the home was I when I first heard tell of dire news from abroad.

Did you mean that? "heard I tell" feels wrong to me.

>>67381055
I was confused by "heard I tell" part because I couldn't understand which verb is an action of mine.
But after some time I got it right.

>>67381296
That is of equivalent meaning yes. It sounds fine to my ear anyway.

>>67381380
I heard tell would be the more modern.

>>67381422
I've never heard of the phrase "hear tell" in my life before.

>>67381422
Wouldn't it be better to place an article behind "tell" to emphasize its noun meaning? Because it's easy to confuse "tell" as a noun and as a verb.

In the home was I when first heard I a/the (not sure which one I should pick) tell of dire news from abroad.

>>67381422
Hmm, I couldn't find usage on google, for whatever that's worth.

Might be technically right. Sounds jarring though.

>>67381641
>behind
*before
fixed

>>67381578
I meant the word order. "Hear tell" is also an archaic expression not generally encountered anymore.

I almost never struggled learning it. I guess when i first started learning it the grammar made no sense since english is indo-european and turkish is altaic.

>thou
>art
>shalt
>tfw born too late to speak old english without sounding like a religious fanatic

>>67382496
Middle English.

Old English is just code for Danish.

>>67381578
Really?

>>67375932
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0oNTewtp0h2
Lags for me for some reason, how'd I do?

>>67379716
You think? I come from a part of Norway where we don't roll the R (most of the country does) but it still comes so naturally to me, in learning Russian, to roll it that I would actually prefer to speak Norwegian like that a lot of the time, also it sounds better.

>>67385406
Despite all the memes, Russian /r/ is rather a flap than a trill (except when it's before a consonant). The actual trill as "rr" in Spanish "perro" really is a hard sound if you're not used to it.

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>had had

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>>67373740

This is so crazy to me. It seems like such a simple movement and sound to make.

But then again I have practiced the Spanish "rr" sound 1,000 times and still can't do it. If you were not born rolling the "r" sound you will not be able to understand it as an adult.

feelsbadman.

>>67374275

> pronunciation does not relate to spelling

Yes it is insane. But also beautiful.

Video related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfz3kFNVopk

>>67374464

It's more polite. It's a formality thing.

But I see how it could be annoying.

>>67375932

Colonel is probably the most ridiculous spelling in all of English.

> no R
> two O's
> an L in the middle

like what the fuck

>>67379361

very very rarely.

In a discussion of something you will be completing, that you are currently performing now.

>>67379506

THE MEXICAN STARING FROG

>>67373651
Grammar, idioms. Vocabulary is pretty easy though, you see it on the interwebz, in the games all the time.

If you don't use these meme tenses why do you have them then?

>phrasal verbs
>articles

>>67390623
What do you mean?

>>67373651
Nothing

>>67373651
Nothing about it was hard for me.

Maybe reminding myself that H's have a sound, but it's not that I couldn't do it, I just forgot.