How is Mexico going to pay for the wall when it's currency

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Geez, I think we can't do it now. It would have to be next time or something. See you later pal.

>>67204021
Not so fast, first congress or senate or whatever must approve that wall.

>>67206102
You mean the senate and house which is largely republican? Face it bad hombre you will build that wall. And pay for it.

>>67206102
Congress and senate are both controlled by republicans fuckwit.

NOT

>>67206162
But how many of them actually agree with Trump and are willing to follow him?

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>>67204021

>Go to facebook
>everybody is making funny videos about trump and the wall
"What color do you want to paint the wall"
"OXXO cashier: Do you want to round up the change to pay for Trump's wall?"
"at least we're going to exceed in pole vault next Olympic games"
Mexico never change

I think the wall is a meme, only a meme

>>67208705
I think this is the first example of Mexican pride I've ever seen

>>67206162
>>67206184
Not all of republicans like trump or agree with all of his policies. That wall will stay a meme, nothing more.

>>67208787
Lol no, you're gonna help them build it too, monkey boi.

How about focing Mexican children to fight mountain lions in modern coloseums?

>>67211495
No, technically it would be you guys building it, per Trump we are only suposed to pay for it.

My hope right now is some compromise can be reached that allows both sides to save face. For nstance Mexico could pay an estimate of the wall's cost through a repatriation program that provides assistance to returning migrants, the US government sets a deadline, say six months, and those voluntarily returning within that period become eligible, it would make the deportations cost effective and allows to Trump to say he got Mexico to pay while the Mexican government doesn't get creamed by its owwn populace as technically all money is being spent on transfers to Mexican nationals. Closest I can think of to a compromise, it allows both governments, and Canada to get on with the business of trying to re-negotiate NAFTA in a short enough timeframe it minimizes the hit to business and allows Trump to meet his first 100 days deadline.

>>67204102
Start building Jose, don't make me crack the whip!

What are Mexicans feeling now that Trump is elected?

>>67214805
sadness

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>>67211589
We already do that.

>>67214805
Personally, I can already see the shitposting for the next 4 years directed towards us, and desu, these have been some really tiring 19 months, even when I mostly don't give a shit about bait and insults (I have heard absolutely everything, and I can say that I am used to it), but the sad fact is that this is just the beginning of it, wew.

It has been specially insulting to me in a personal manner, because, as a scientist, I have been fighting against some of the Trump claims for a really long time, and I was well aware of his shit long before he even mentioned Mexico or decided to run for president (several years ago). It has been really hard to say anything critical of him with this flag because people only reply to me with memes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQriX7NIgig
>video related

Now, the fact that I know that I am more informed about American politics, and the policies of all of their candidates that most of Americans (from Kasich to Stein, going through Carson, Fiorina, etc.), makes it really frustrating, because I know how stupid and damaging his policies are (from his healcare policy, to his taxation plan, the disregard of the Geneva Conventions, the Paris Agreement, Nuclear Proliferation, Mike Pence etc.)

And to top it all off, the xenophobia against us, one of their allies, genuenly threatening our country out of pure ignorance, fearmongering and using us as scapegoats over petty shit is not great either.

...

As for the rest of the people here, they are trying to cope with it by making jokes about it from what I can see.

...

Anyway, back to shitposting non-serious things.

>>67216152
I see. I don't know much (i.e. nothing) about Mexico-USA relation but I never understood how you guys accept all that shit that they throw at you. That's not even a new thing, that exists much before Trump.
>one of their allies
I don't think that they see you as their ally. And if so, that's because they just care about having peace in their home continent. They are humiliating you in front of the whole world, why do you guys allow that?

How can he force Mexico to build a big ass wall??

Seriously, what's his leverage? Can he do that?

>>67206162
We'll just have to see how retarded Republicans really are. It's not even the greastest source of illegal immigration, so I don't know why they would do this first.

Who'll be the first to cum on the wall?

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>>67217434
Republicans have been fucking over with everyone for a really long time, not only us. Middle class white Americans included. They are also the main people to blame for the immigrants living in the U.S., aside from the historical fact that people have been moving in and out of Mexico and America for centuries with no one ever bating an eye.


Being close to the US can be positive or negative depending on how you look at it. Yes, a predatory war stripped Mexico of 50% of its territory in 1848, but being close to the US also helped us during the French intervention 15 years later. Without the support of the US we would have lost the remaining territory to the French and to the frenchified imbeciles like Juan Almonte. All thanks to the fact that Lincoln was president of the United States; who started as a deputy opposing the Mexican-American war, and then, and especially, thanks to Andrew Johnson.


There is no doubt that the US has been a key element in many of the misfortunes of the country, including their support to characters such as Porfirio Diaz, Victoriano Huerta, or the presidents of the PRI, especially since Diaz Ordaz, when it began to unravel the legitimacy of the governments emanating from the revolution. Or the unequal NAFTA negotiated (so to speak) with Carlos Salinas. Mexico is besides the hegemonic country of this era, for the better and for the worse.


From there you can draw the Mexican reflex arc of blaming everyone else of our ills, and preferably the US. It takes away our responsibilities and teaches us zero self-criticism in a form that is often taught as a patriotism in Mexico.

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>>67218674
Our misfortunes are primarily ours. From insisting on empowering Santa Anna (who lost that said half of the territory in a decisive battle that could've been won, the Padierna battle) to the board of "notable Mexicans" who went to give our country to Napoleon III. Not to mention the presidents of the "revolution" and those who voted for them.
Here it seems that Mexicans never do anything, but if I recall correctly everyone who ever tried to fuck me were all Mexicans, not Americans... Up until yesterday.


Now it is one of those moments where the American people has made it clear that they are not our friends. Not only because of Trump, but because it is now controlled by Repulicans. So I don't know what to think about the cradle of the best and the worst right now.

>>67218460
No, or at least, that is if our incompetent president keeps the line our people have been keeping for a really long time: we don't have to do everything Americans tell us to do, especially if they try to force us.

More often than not we disobey their narrative (as oposed of popular belief), and I firmly expect that we keep doing so. Even if it costs us greatly like it has cost us in the past.

The problem is that I don't trust that Peña Nieto won't bent over.

>>67218674
That's some crazy history, but if you're Mexican and you think like that then must have some reason. I'll just assume those are strictly Mexican's and USA's issues then. But the whole world will be pitying you for the next days. I hope everything turns well to Mexico after all.

>>67216152
:(

>>67208450
the ones who want to be reelected

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>>67208450
This

>>67212163
you're clever

you should move to the US

>>67218674
You're selectively reading history here, the French intervention meant to install a French leaning monarchy in Mexico, not annex it to France, not that I in any way simpathize with those intentions. Overall the historical balance of Mexico's relation with the US, yes that territory loss does factor largely into it, is overwhelmingly negative.

As for the trite blame of Mexican character I also disagree, for far too long we've allowed the bad character of our elites to color all Mexicans, this isn't to say that we are in any way more noble or virtuous as a people than anyone else, but Mexicans have largely been forced through their history to be self reliant (the aftermath of the 1985 earthquake comes to mind) to say that we blame everyone else of our ills is just to fall for caricatures we use to ridicule those we disaprove as somehow being representative of all, self criticism (not the same as self loathing) is an indisputable part of the Mexican character and one task that opur educated classes often take to extremes.

The reality is it simply is a defense mechanism for our intellectually weak rulers/establishment, not the people, by blaming on culture r character their failings they difuse responsibility and create the ilusion that the solution lies in some vague "self improvement" narrative. It's wrong, we did nothing to deserve Trump's biggoted threats to destroy our country for instance, and the failures in our society that resulted in the creation of a large disenfrachised class do not by themsellves explain mass migration to the US, the reality is most nations in the world have unfortunately produced such as well at this stage of global development and that there's nothing exceptional about Mexico, the American model of expolitation and continuous demand does however,

>>67204021
just fix the price already (in mexican dollars)

>>67219873
We may be able to reach some sort of an agreement as >>67212163 but we will never pay for the wall and Trump winning doesn't change that.

It isn't different than me showing up at your place putting a gun to your head and telling you you now owe me 10 thousand Euro for the suffering of living in a world in which "The Jersey Shore" exists. Me blaming my grievances on your culture does not create a financial obligation from you or your nation and using a gun, even if it's an economic one, doesn't change that.

>It's been 84 years since the Trump dinasty took the power in the US.
>Millions of americans now try to climb the wall in a despread atempt to cross the border with Mexico and scape Trump's opresive dictatorship.

>>67219823
>we did nothing to deserve Trump's biggoted threats to destroy our country for instance

I agree.

>to say that we blame everyone else of our ills

This happens, man, and not only from our politicians. I am not saying we deserve anything, because we have been victims of circumstances a lot of times. But is not uncommon to see people blaming America for absolutely everything bad that ever happened to us, and sometimes, albeit rarely, even Spain or Central Americans.

I repeat, our misfortunes are primarily ours. From insisting on empowering Santa Anna (who lost that said half of the territory in a decisive battle that could've been won, the Padierna battle) to the board of "notable Mexicans" who went to give our country to Napoleon III. Not to mention the presidents of the "revolution" and those who voted for them. Americans didn't force any of that, just how we didn't force them to shoot themselves in the foot by electing Trump, and that one also wasn't only because of their intellectually weak rulers/establishment, but also their population.

This happens, not 100% of the times and not 100% of the people, but a lot more than what it should.

>>67212163
Holy shit, this makes perfect sense.

So much it might actually be what might happen.

>>67216152
We're not their ally. We're their bitch.

[spoiler]Somos las putas de Estados Unidos, y la chingada situación socio-economica de México jamas lograra que salgamos de ese estado. Este país lleva 200 años estancado, y no creo que vaya a salir adelante, jamás, gracias a un pueblo lonchero, y candidatos mediocres y ladrones.

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>>67221014

BUILD

WALL

>>67220271
Dude, no one lives of Santa Ana's generation, no one born in post revolutionary Mexico experienced the loss of anything tangible there, I do think you're mistaking small talk with zeitgeist, the grievances of Mexicans have never led to an expectation of handouts, reparations or redress.

The cold war world was largely formed through compromises in between local elites and a global power structure. The US enacted NAFTA largely as a way to finally acomplish a then long standing US foreign policy goal of finally aligning socialist leaning Mexico with it's own project, traditionally Americans had been forced to suffer a sometimes ideologically antagonistic regime south of the border in order to mantain peace in their southern border, these larger shifts in history, the conversion of our formerly nationalist elites into willing free trade advocates, was not to be balmed on the people as a whole, the EZLN is whatever agendas may have led to its creation a clear symbol popular feeling was not in synch with this shift even if it was embraced by the middle classes.

We've only been a democracy for sixteen years and a very flawed one as the former state aparatus was never dismantled and it's components (bureaucrats, unions, etc.) were imposible to control once the one party system had been dismantled. Vicente Fox did not outlaw PRI nor brought it's members to trial (eg for Tlatelolco) that is HIS historical responsibility/crime and that of the Mexican political establishment, blame does not belong to the guy who did the best he could to put food on his table and support through honest work.

This is where roleplaying countries becomes ridiculous, there was nothing the overwhelming majority of Mexicans could have done other than what they did, work hard, what they continue to do to this day.

I love it how the fucking elites love to appropiate the people's acoimplishments, our culture, then blame them for everything gone wrong while meanwhile they all have CONT

>>67221077
You best take notes leafboy, the north is next.

>>67221150
CONT escape plans to move to Barcelona or Miami funded with stolen moneys.

>>67221077
Go fuck yourself

>>67221014
Haz patria kys malinchista mediocre

>>67221294
>kys
Como digas, Leafy.

>>67221077
>a ***** leaf

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>>67219823
See how it is not a meme? >>67221014

>>67221014
No, we are not "their bitch".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_and_the_Iraq_War#Positions_of_Security_Council_members
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-American_Treaty_of_Reciprocal_Assistance
>In September 2002, citing the Falklands example and anticipating the Iraq War, Mexico formally withdrew from the treaty


We were the only ones who did this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba%E2%80%93Mexico_relations
>Mexico became a refuge for Cubans exiled from Cuba, it also became a starting point for Cubans to revolt back home. After meeting in Mexico, Fidel Castro and Ernesto "Che" Guevara began to plan a guerilla war against the Batista regime in Cuba to take back Cuba for the people. The Cuban government was backed by the American government at the time, so any movement against Cuba was also against the US, starting the bad relations between the US and Cuba as soon as Castro was victorious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93Russia_relations
>In August 1924, Mexico became the first country in the American continent to establish relations with the USSR

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_War_(1910%E2%80%9319)

>>67221150
>Dude, no one lives of Santa Ana's generation
We live in the generation that elected Peña Nieto and Calderón (he declared a literal war against narcos). We, the people, voted for them.

I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say regardless.

>>67221797
Again, you're missing the point in flawed democracy, we never had good options as the party system only uses democracy as a sort of game on which to distribute government resources amongst themselves. I did not legitimize Peña with my vote (as in I didn't vote in the election at all) you might as well argue we are corrupt because we elected corrupt leaders.

>>67221077
you're next

>>67221998
It doesn't matter. It wasn't the president the one who tried to take a bribe from me on multiple occasions from doing nothing. It wasn't the president the one who fucked me over when I was a freelance reporter, it wasn't the president the one who robbed me at gun point, it wasn't the president the one responsible for all those ridiculous "ladies" and "lords" videos of whatever bullshit they come up with. I know people who put the 100% of the blame only in the US for any of this.

Even on stupid shit like on football, "no, no mate, it wasn't a penalty, forget that Marquez made a bad call at the end of the game and the we stopped playing for half the game, it was Robben, fuck Robben and only him", "no, no mate, it is only the fault of Osorio".

>"No, no, it was only the fault of the US the Coup against Carranza, forget about Huerta".

>"No, no, Spaniards were all evil and Aztecs were pure, PURE, fuck Spain... even if it were OUR ancestors the ones who conquered this place".

Etc., etc.

This happens, not 100% of the times and not 100% of the people, but a lot more than what it should.

>>67222492
>against Madero*
Fug

>>67218895
>>67218674
>>67216152

Maybe if you didn't want Mexico to be such a shithole you shouldn't have all acted like Mexicans.

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>>67222703

What's more likely, Trump actually doing mass deportings and his wall, or him and his husbando Putin nuking/bombing the Arabs?

>>67223485
Him and his husbando Putin nuking/bombing the Arabs.

>>67223544
Welp, and so it begins. That'll have worse global repercussions that only making some brick fence on the border.

>>67219658
The senators will just become lobbyists and the wheel will refuse to turn.

>>67212163
>My hope right now is some compromise can be reached that allows both sides to save face. For nstance Mexico could pay an estimate of the wall's cost through a repatriation program that provides assistance to returning migrants, the US government sets a deadline, say six months, and those voluntarily returning within that period become eligible, it would make the deportations cost effective and allows to Trump to say he got Mexico to pay while the Mexican government doesn't get creamed by its owwn populace as technically all money is being spent on transfers to Mexican nationals. Closest I can think of to a compromise, it allows both governments, and Canada to get on with the business of trying to re-negotiate NAFTA in a short enough timeframe it minimizes the hit to business and allows Trump to meet his first 100 days deadline.
You fucking cuck.

Don't pay anything you literal coward.

>>67204021
The Peso started gaining strength against the dollar this morning tho.

>>67204021
In taco currency?

Anyway, instead of walls, how about a steep deep ravine? You could save the budget on hiring personnel to watch the ravine because illegals might just, you know, fall and ded. It would took time for them to set up a bridge or throwing ropes to the other side. Ropes can snapped, women and children definitely don't have the guts to hold the rope and looking down.
Walls are proven ineffective because they can make holes, needs more personnel to be on the watch, maintaining the walls might cost a fortune in the long run.

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>>67221998
It's ok Mexibros.
We still like you.
Your food is great.
We just don't like the drug lords running your country, and constantly trying to enter ours illegally.

>>67221077
*unzips pants*
Build this

Mexico m8, just refuse to pay for the wall. Seriously, what are we going to do about it?

You're economy is already in free fall so some kind of stupid trade war ain't gonna do shit. You have nothing to fear. In the event President Trump decides to start a land war in his infinite stupidity just have the cartels waiting at the border to slaughter American troops. You really do have nothing to lose and everything to gain by standing up in blatant defiance of one of the most powerful countries in the world.

Plus it'll be funny to see a lot of Republicans get salty when they don't get their way.

Why doesn't america just conscript the illegals to build the wall.

They are forced into 5 years of labor in exchange get the right to leave america unharmed? Its practically win-win, mexis have experience too.

>>67229409
They already leave America unharmed when they're apprehended. Why would they agree to do hard labor for free (which is indentured servitude btw and was abolished a long time ago) when they could just refuse and be kicked out immediately and unharmed.

>>67229409
Canada. I just heard the bad news, I think you need to build a giant umbrella. Godspeed

https://youtu.be/pR-IdlAKrwc

>>67229512
trump is bringing back torture so either

a) forced labor
b) torture

we'll round your chicano mexishit asses up and see which you'd prefer.

>>67229702
Torture has only been used to extract information from people where there were extreme matters of national security at stake.

It is not and should not be a punishment for the common criminal.