>It's still legal in half of Europe to beat your kids

My mother used to beat me and now I'm here in 4chan

>>67139007

Don't worry Jamal, I'm sure your government will adapt to your culture eventually.

nothing wrong with consensual parent-child BDSM
if the children weren't into it they'd leave

>>67139007
>implying that 4 years old babbie will understand anything but slap when you deny him newest pokemon toy and he starts yelling full rambo on whole shop in rage

>implying all kids are the same
>implying you can use reasoning all the time (pro tip: look at history or current happenings in world mate, and that are allway full grownups)

My parents beated me sometimes and I am glad now they did.

>no study
yea, because studies about subjective matters are alway objective
no study about subject != subject is wrong

Also mild physical punishment != turning your kid into punching bag

>>67139807
If you can't control a 4 year old without resorting to physical abuse you are failure at life.

>>67139873
That's why I prefer psychological torture

>>67139873
Yeah just lock your 4 year old in the cage and problem solved.

>>67139007
But it's fun. You own your kids, why can't you do as you please with them?

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>>67139007

>>67139007
My father has beaten me since I was born, and I'm perfectly fine, except I hate him...beating is a way parents use to express the mistake they did when they decided not to use condom or other safe-sex measure...

Never got beaten, father only had to take out his belt for me stfu.

>>67139873
This, sadly there are a lot more failures than success stories when it comes to life. That's why we make things illegal in the first place.

I'm against beating kids in practice, but I against banning it.
The option should be there.

Yesterday I was watching a TV. A son sued his mother for throwing slipper at him. She is now charged for 5 years.

Btw it's not beating anyway. It's just a simple slap or a pulling the ear down.

>>67139873
t. Someone who never met 4 years old

>>67139007
My father used to beat me

Haven't talked with him since i move from home 5 years ago.

>>67139007
My dad used to beat me when I was a child sometimes pretty rough.

Now I have several mental issues.

I think it's not really a good thing to do.

>>67140750
Lawsuits put people in jail in Turkey?

I mean, having the wrong political opinions I get, but lawsuits?

>>67139007
Literally nothing wrong with slapping your child, unless you want to raise some feminine bitchboy

>>67141060
>teaching your child to be subservient under threat of physical violence WON'T make them a feminine bitchboy
I'd think that one over again m8

>>67141032
Most people in these kind of threads don't know what child abuse means . They think a slap on that face twice a year means a beating.

My father used to punch me in the stomach if i took even an 8 at school , I had only high grades during schools but i dropped out in the last year so i can get a job to get rent (cause i turned 18 ) just so i can get away.

Now that he's retired his pension is too small and called me for help . Telling him to go fuck himself was just beautiful .

>>67141190
Fuck yeah, you did it right, it's just bad you had to drop school right at the end, damn it
First time my dad beaten me, they have told me (i couldn't remember) had been when I was a crying baby, and he broke the diaper with hits...i can't forgive that man

>>67139007
All the beatings did was make me more paranoid

>>67141190
Based

My parents never hit me one in my life and i ended in 4chan
We should make it legal tb h

if beating my kids had a chance to prevent them from becoming alike pathetic swedish castrated hominidae, I'll give them a fucking beating every day

>>67139007
I grew up in a quiet and peaceful environment so i never really "learned" to be loud and throw tantrums when things didn't go my way, which is a big reason why parents never hit me
i could be a little shit mind ya, but my parents told me that usually just giving me timeouts and what not worked pretty well
that being said, there is a place for mild physical punishment in the home when necessary, but many of those homes are naturally violent and loud environments which is what creates a tantrum throwing nutcase of a kid in the first place

>>67141167
what really constitutes physical violence, though? the way i see it, there's a vast difference in slapping your kids ass because it tried to run in traffic, or kicking them down the stairs because they didn't properly clean their room. i think the former is perfectly acceptable

>>67141449
Once*

>>67139116
Ukraine is a better country than Belgium on this

really makes you consider things

>>67139873
This.
Should be forcibly sterilized desu.

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>>67139116
>>67139807
>>67140750
>>67141060
>>67141465
>all from blue countries

hmm

reminds you of circumcision debates 2bh

I was never beaten by parents but I'm an undisciplined, lazy failure at life.
But I was beaten by my brother a lot, maybe that has something to do with it

>>67141167
Ahh yes, because for the thousands of years, all the men on earth were submissive and fragile. Only now in the current year, in the West, that we've abandoned corporal punishment, do we have a continent filled with alpha males

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>people don't realise that exposing children to the kind of stress and pain associated with regular beatings can permanently alter the chemistry of their brain, much like victims of circumcision

>>67141688
>regular beatings
A slap to the back of the legs or head, is not a "beating"

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>>67141474
>a reasonable and wise post on /int/
>from Canada of all countries

I think some spanking / slapping is okay,
BUT, the problem is most people ( myself included mind you ) are unable to control their anger and a little spank can turn quickly into beating.
Never trust people to use physical punishment with moderation

>>67141731
Because that's the only type of corporal punishment there is right?

>>67141740
>the average parent will go wild with rage and leave their child bloodied and beaten if they give them just one little slap
Talking out your hole Pierre

>>67141782
;_; Do you really know?

>>67141776
Yes. Slapping your child in these countries is legal, punching your child is illegal in these countries

>>67141731
ah yes you can trust the typical runt who thinks hitting your children is fine with a reasonable level of beating

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Non-Nordics, when will they learn? They aren't even socialist

>>67141782
That's not what I said

>>67141782
He is right, in the situations where spanking is appropriate the parent is usually really pissed and can't judge shit.
Stop being an armchair parent and think about the real life situations.

>>67141834
I certainly trust them more than you, a childless anonymous poster on this Hibernian Curtains online auction forum.
>hitting your children
>level of beating
Lets not twist words here, a slap is a slap. It leaves no bruise or cut, and the pain subsides almost immediately
>>67141886
Then why did you say?
>>67141902
No decent parent will vent their rage onto their children, you're thinking of parents who would already be abusive, and would beat their children regardless of the law

Imagine being so impotent that you hit a child hahahahaha

>>67141740
This. Violence is the lazy answer and it kind of works, but allowing it causes way more harm than good so a semitotal ban is the only way to go

>>67141987
>No decent parent will vent their rage onto their children, you're thinking of parents who would already be abusive, and would beat their children regardless of the law
2bh from my experience, the law is the last thing on even the best parent's mind when setting ethical boundaries and parenting styles within the household
they 99% of the time just follow what they have experienced themselves from either their parents or idolized guardians around them in their childhood

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>>67139007
My father used to beat me up on the regular for 7 years starting at 4, and the only side effects were depressing me at an early age, making me target of bullying and leaving me emotionally scarred and socially stunted lmao.

At least last I don't watch anime.

>>67141987
It can happen to anybody to lose his temper, of course decent parents won't hit their child like a meatbag I'm just sayin' violence escalate easier than you might think.
It's kinda like driving drunk, it happened to me several times and nothing happens, yet it's illegal for a reason.

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>>67142087
>At least last I don't watch anime.
Dodged a bullet there.

>ITT: people debating whether or not to beat your kids
Disciplining isn't beating them. And beating them isn't disciplining them.

>>67142087
>At least I don't watch anime

well, looks like he did good desu

>>67139007
>beat your kids
But...Sometimes it's really necessary.

Parents who don't discipline their kids must hate them.

I can confirm it doesn't work, my parents used to beat the shit out of me and now I'm a loser

Nothing wrong with little whack with a belt in extreme cases.
No shit beating the kid over everything doesn't work.

>>67139007
Light corporal punishment is a good thing if the kid goes out of line. We're still animals, we react and remember a lot more to a slap than being told "no". Limp-wristed modern parenting is a plague on society.

Might be because I'm Italian but while it should ideally be avoided, slapping your kid is absolutely not "too far".

>>67141740
>most people ( myself included mind you ) are unable to control their anger and a little spank can turn quickly into beating.

There is something wrong with you mate.

poofs in green

>>67139007
Eastern Europeans and shitskins will defend beating their kids

>>67142087
you ended up on an anime website though so it's the same.

>>67141688
>permanently alter the chemistry of their brain

Yeah that's the point, kids get shaped by their childhood, as they should. Light corporeal punishment teaches them to shape the fuck up and mature. It's like bullying, excessive bullying is bad but moderate "bullying" is something all kids are exposed to when among other kids and it helps them mature and grow. Had I grown up in a safespace shielded from everything, I'd be a limp-wristed faggot whose wife fucks refugees.

>>67142876

It's always necessary.

>>67139007
Beating teach pain and make them more resilient and more obedient, it also make make men and not pussies.

>>67139007
unless one is physically threatened i dotn see a reason to hit a kid.

>>67139037
I've never been beaten and now I'm here on 4chan

>>67143917
You're setting up a false dichotomy by assuming that the alternative to slapping your kids is them growing up as sheltered weaklings.

>>67144019
Corporeal punishment isn't there to be used all the time, only if it happens to be needed. If you preclude the option, the kids that did need a slap every now and then will keep their shitty ways and grow up into something insufferable.

Normally other kids would fix you up at school if you were too much of a shithead, but that is being forbidden too because nowadays banter and light scraps that are normal among children will get the parents, headmaster, police, military, EU, and NATO involved.

an easy slap or two can be useful when they're young and cannot understand
anything more than that shouldn't happen

>>67139007
Since when has it been the place of the government to decide how parents raise their children? This reminds me of that Norwegian family that had their children taken away for raising their children "too Christian".

>>67147192
The same question has been also asked in the United States.

In most of the United States, it is completely legal to refuse vaccination for your children for "religious" or "philosophical" reasons. Refusing immunizations is a lot more deadly than slapping your child when it misbehaves.

I can't even begin to imagine what constitutes "too christian" in Norway but there is no sense of too much Christianity here. The vast majority of home-schooled students are from evangelical families. If purposely isolating your children to live in a dream world of SuperChristianity(C)(TM) isn't child abuse, then I don't know what is.

I can't stay for certain whether Europe is moving in the right direction on child abuse. We're so far behind Europe that these issues are so alien to us.

>>67139007
>it's only become a problem now that the boomers are in academia
What a surprise

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>>67144163
>>>Corporeal punishment
I understand that English may not be your first language but come on, man.

>>67148020
As opposed to corporal punishment.

>>67147192
They were taken away because their parents beat them; they even admitted to it.

>>67148020
incorporeal punishment is much more effective t b h

>>67148098
>>67148053
>>67148020
This is now a metaphysics thread

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>>67139007
Shut up you swedecuck. There's no problem for them to beat some discipline into their kids. Or else you're going to be walked all over by your kids and going to be one of those parents that are literally sent to an old folks home.

except kids are little shits and deserve to be beaten from dawn till sunset

>>67139007
My mum used to beat me and now im a sub trap, really makes you think

>>67147192
>This reminds me of that Norwegian family that had their children taken away for raising their children "too Christian".
>>67147882
>I can't even begin to imagine what constitutes "too christian" in Norway but there is no sense of too much Christianity here. The vast majority of home-schooled students are from evangelical families. If purposely isolating your children to live in a dream world of SuperChristianity(C)(TM) isn't child abuse, then I don't know what is

That was a meme. They were never taken away because the parents were "Too christian" They were taken away because they were beaten. The mother even admitted that she did beat them and that she didnt know the law was so strict on this.

>>67140750
>not pulling the ear up
what

>>67148345
Oh, I see. Was the meme, perhaps, perpetuated by Americans?

>>67148469
Are americans actively waging a hybrid war on norway and other nordic countries?

>>67140012
is that violence against me or ME

>>67148522
Yes. They think we're socialists despite actively fighting socialism for like half a century.

>>67143324
how? Be specific. My parents slapped/spanked me when i misbehaved but never went beyond that.

>>67148300
only slaps and spanks, no punches or things that can leave bruises

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I didn't know it was illegal in Spain, our Prime Minister beat his kid on Live TV

>>67139873
This

Dad rarely slapped me, and when he did it was because I fucked up badly(like one time when we got a costly phone bill because I was secretly buying those stupid ringtones they promoted on tv back in the day).

I turned out alright I guess(college degree, etc...).

My cousin on the other hand was constantly slapped and spanked for the dumbest shit, and I'd say it affected him to a negative degree.

>>67139873
>t. childless cuck

>>67151248
waterboarding is ok?

>>67148469

It was perpetuated by pentecostals in Romania wich was where this family was from and it escalated from there

>>67152061
no

>>67139873
Physical violence is always the best solution to solve problems. Prove me wrong.

I used to get a smack every now and then

My father slapped me when I was a cunt as a kid and now I'm pretty happy and rather successful.

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>>67156800
attacking poland 1939 was not a good idea in the long term

>>67139873
this

>>67143917
wait...your wife doesn't fuck refugees ???

>>67156800
erm...barbarossa ?

>>67157173
Created with violence.
Solved with violence

>>67157271
it wasn't *solved* for nazis for sure it led them to catastrophy. for commies and allies it was

>>67139007
No wonder your country is so cucked. These studies analyze physical abuse where it is so bad the child has to be removed from parent custody(at least in America). It doesn't address the little spankings parents give their children. No one will ever report that let alone will any one think that's abuse.

>>67157331
Nazis was part of the problem

>>67157373
yes but from their perspective violence didnt bring a solution but failure instead.

>>67143811
Voted for Hillary yet?

>>67157373
depends on the point of view, you see from the point of view of nazis they weren't problem themselves it was communism and their violent way of solving it led them to their undoing.

>>67157373
Were*
>>67157414
They just got outviolenced

>>67139007
WTF is wrong is beat your kids?

>>67157476
outviolenced* hence the violence didn't bring them success

>>67157478

This is allowing for corporal punishment, not beating your kids. That's illegal across the west.

>>67157476
look: the orginal post asked when didn't violence ever solve a problem. Then I said Nazi Germany couldn't solve their problem, lack of owned territory, through means of violence, instead they lost land(East Prussia,Moravia,Bohemia,Silesia...) so from their perspective violence didn't lead to anything. However you are right, for the allies it did solve their issue(being attacked). But OPs statement that it solves each problem in the case of Nazi Germany is contraticted

>>67151455
>this is a beating
ok.gif

Anyway this whole question was solved in the OP. As the Viking said, this has been studied to death and abuse has long term negative consequences.

Anyone who has "good" memories of being tortured is no different from anyone who escaped an abusive religious group but is still nostalgic for the religious abuse they suffered.

>>67157478
Corporal punishment =/= beating

>>67157597
>child do shit
>parents beat him

>teenager to shit
>someone else kick his teeth's out of his mouth while he cry

Dude, life is not easy, you need to learn this as soon you can.

>>67139007
I would rather get beaten instead of being subject to their petty drama.

>>67157881
This.
Niggers are too emotional now days. Every word hurt. Everything is a hate speech and hurt muhh feelings.

>>67157545
>>67157630
Germans used violence then they took Poland and half of the Europe. So at this point violence lead them to rule their half of Europe. Their violence prevailed. But then they went against bigger violence they got crushed.
Also you can say that for Germany violence resolved problems of nazism.
So we can say
Violence = manpower
Manpower = a lot of people
Therefore violence = human
Then actually green here>>67139007 aren't human

>>67139007
I fucking hate children and wish parents would beat them up whenever they cry in public

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>People not able to outsmart a child and have to resort to physical violence

>>67158092
I wish parents did not fill his kids with sugar and bring them to the cinema.
This piss me off.

I have 2 dates a year, i don't need a kid hight on sugar yelling to everyone where my hands are.

>>67157990
the attack on Poland was the beginning of their manic conquest campaign that ended badly in Soviet Russia. I don't know what your equations mean but I think what you want to say is "might makes right" concerning manpower.

>>67158345
Jesus m8, you learn this bullshit in school?

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>>67158167
Have you ever hit a kid? It's a satisfaction better than sex. Slapping them hard on the chin when they get a tantrum is the feeling in the world especially when they shut the fuck up immediately afterwards while trying to hold their tears in knowing if they make a sound they'll get their teeth kicked in.

Mmm I probably going to my sisters place to beat the crap out of my nephew tomorrow.

>>67158345
>might makes right
In short yes. It's hard to compare global conflicts to child beatings to begin with.
>>67158420
At least we have schools

Sorry, I intended to entertain you all but I ended up being really busy with uni. I hope you had a good time anyway.

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>>67139007
It's legal in some US states too

They're all shitholes though

>>67158562
>At least we have schools
Poor banter.

>>67139873
This. The most you should ever go to is using restraints or holding them in a way that prevents them from moving so that they can calm down.

>>67143936
This is true.

>>67158688
Funny when they realize the rest of the world will not restraint you. Will punch his face until get tired.

I was beat, now I'm into bdsm

nice

>>67158789
He's a child, if you can't deal with their tiny punches without getting violent than you're either a beta bitchboy or a nu-male who needs to validate his masculinity.

>>67158927

>letting your child know it's ok to hit you

yeah, nah

>>67158927
>validate his masculinity
>using violence

Sure, history and biology is wrong. Violence is not a prof of masculinity and you may as well be woman at Mondays.

Life is not a Disney movie kid. You get what you can take, and have what you can hold.

>>67147882
>In most of the United States, it is completely legal to refuse vaccination for your children for "religious" or "philosophical" reasons. Refusing immunizations is a lot more deadly than slapping your child when it misbehaves.

Yeah, but in most states your kid isn't allowed in a lot of public places if they aren't vaccinated. The most anti-vaccine people actually come from liberal havens like Washington or Oregon.

>The vast majority of home-schooled students are from evangelical families. If purposely isolating your children to live in a dream world of SuperChristianity(C)(TM) isn't child abuse, then I don't know what is.

I wouldn't say that's child abuse, the kid will eventually grow up and have to learn all those things anyway. Also imagine if they live in a shit neighborhood where many of these schools are basically daycare centers. If they do a poor job of it that's on them of course.

>>67159045
Children know it's not ok to hit, they do it out of frustration. You can punish in ways that don't involve hitting back.

>>67159072
Violence and the liberal usage of it is whyyour country is a 3rd world unstable shithole. Telling kids that using violence is wrong only to hit them the next second sends conflicting messages.

>>67139007
>it's illegal in half of europe to beat your kids
holy shit you guys are cucks

>>67159230
Violence is the only thing that make your country free...
Without violence, your country will be just another British puppet nation.

>>67159230
>whyyour country is a 3rd world unstable shithole
You are fucking crazy? We are under a post colonial war from the last 127 years. Without violence how we will put the niggers in their place?
We are not America, when niggers start to blockade the streets and do their mob crimes, we send our best police to shoot them. We don't fucking celebrate their crimes like your media do.

>>67159618
Violence in the face of abuse =/= violence used to teach a lesson.

If you regularly beat your kid, he instinctively is going to want to hit back in the face of sustained physical abuse and that will fuel his hatred (which is justified). On the other end, by beating them you're teaching the child that the use of violence for lesser reasons like for amusement and in anger is ok, which will make him a ruthless nigger who further propagates the cycle.
>>67159763
>Without violence how we will put the niggers in their place?
You let the ones with problems kill each other while retaliating against those who attempt to harm innocents in an effort to protect them. If you react to offensive violence with just more offensive violence than it justifys their actions in their eyes.

>>67139007

>so all the shitholes have banned it
really makes you think

>>67158624
>Mississippi
Thank god im out of that hellhole

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>>67141740
>BUT, the problem is most people ( myself included mind you ) are unable to control their anger and a little spank can turn quickly into beating.

speak for youself

>>67159909
>abuse and that will fuel his hatred
You are a single mother child. Right?
>You let the ones with problems kill each other
We do that, but outside the white part of the town
>justifys their actions in their eyes.
I don't expect more than a country where less than 20% of the population is nigger, and can do what ever their want.
If some nigger come saying that "Black Llives matter", we show where is their part of the town and kick them out of the street.
We are not here to let them take the country. They may be the majority, but we own their lives and need force to prove it.

IDK. I figure beating a cheeky little shit once in a while has great benefit for the mental stability of parents; therapeutic benefit.

>>67139007

I unironically think that laws against beating kids are made thinking of shitty parents. If it was legal it'd be a disaster because bad parents would feel validated by society and would be much harder to prosecute, and good parents don't need to anyway.

Those assholes saying it's necessary to beat kids "sometimes" or "a little" are just too naive. No one truly needs to, and forbidding it altogether does a very good job at preventing a lot of abuse. Sometimes that's all that matters to make a law.

>>67160326
>>67160358

>>67159618
>>67159763
>>67159072
>>67158789
>>67160304
Why are Brazilians defending this? Their country is actually one of the stricter ones when it comes to child abuse, stricter than many European nations.

>>67139007
I used to be beaten all the time as a child, if I ever have a child I would never do it to them, I can't even remember any memories of my father from when I was little other than the violent ones.

>>67160477
We don't follow stupid laws.
Some laws exist only to punish when someone do something really bad.
Don't microwave your child, and no one will arrest you.

>>67139873
This. Corporal punishment are used by bad parents.

>>67156800
So if a mosquito lands on your balls, you'd punch your balls? No wonder germans lost both wars

>>67160735

>listening to the eternal Kraut
>ever
They're literally subhuman, ignore them.

>>67141190
>Now that he's retired his pension is too small and called me for help . Telling him to go fuck himself was just beautiful .
absolute subhuman, you might as well just kill yourself right now

you never abandon family

>>67147192
>This is what a defender of corporal punishment believe the world is like

>>67160950
t. slav

Anyone that beats/hits their children is a fucking subhuman

>>67161056
what do you mean

>>67139007
no wonder Sweden is Yes.

>>67141190
Mine punched my front teeth out when I was a toddler. I know how it feels.

>>67161122
in western culture its actually not frowned upon to not give a shit about your parents, which is great if you dont have good ones

>>67161128
you're MUCH more Yes than the green countries north, south and east of you though

>>67160735
If someone tries to kill you, you politely ask him to stop?

>>67139007
kids are fucking pricks

>>67161858
yes, that's how it works in cuckdinavia

>>67158624
Damn Chickasaw barbarians

Wait, isn't that just in schools? What about at home?

>>67139172
>Japan

If it just a little slap like a warning to the kid , then it is ok. But if beating the kid until the kid's bleed , then it is wrong. Human need to be discipline by the use of physical.

>>67165879
Good parents manage to discipline fine without using violence

>>67139873
This is true

>>67158624
>TN
>shit
lmaoing @ ur life

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>>67139007
>you can't hit your children
>you're allowed to murder them in the womb.

just lefty things.

>>67169040
>this is what cuckservatives actually believe

My parents got physical with me as a kid, so now that I'm old enough I discipline them in the same manner when they step out of line. You just have to make sure not to crack the bones.

>>67139037
My mother never beat me and now I'm here in 4chan