I'm going on a trip to New York and Boston in a month Is

"quoi ? désolé je parle pas anglais ... merci, au revoir, c'était très bon en tout cas !"

et voila

>>67117744
>Is it true that in the USA a restaurant can call the cops if you don't tip
lol, no

if you don't tip (except for really really bad service) you're being an objective asshole though, they work for tips.

>>67117744
>a restaurant can call the cops if you don't tip?
No. Just don't plan to go to that restaurant again if you don't tip.

Or just pay in cash. Round your bill up to the nearest dollar and tell them to keep the change.

>>67117870
>>67118053
I see, thanks for the info

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>>67118053
>No. Just don't plan to go to that restaurant again if you don't tip.

w-why

>>67117744
They can't do shit, but it's a very mean thing to do.
I agree that it's a bizarre system.

>>67118176
they remember you and will give you EXCEPTIONALLY bad service since they know you aren't tipping anyways

>>67118176
They will do anything within their power to inconvenience you and possibly sabotage your food. A regular may even kick your ass depending on the area.

You do understand you're paying for it either way, right?

Tipping needs to die
Whom does it benefit?

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>>67118275
>>67118226
>you have some nerve coming back here after what you did last time, cowboy...

>>67118442
The waiters who make bank off of tips.

>>67118442
agree. its a shitty system. Raise the prices/wages and let the tipping system die. but well, there will be always a "but mafreedoom guy" who will disagree and it wont ever happen.

>>67117744
I don't get it, why don't american politics pass a law to regulate wages in this sector ?
Like that, no need to tip

It is illegal to be coerced into tipping.
Many places will incorporate a tip into your bill. You can ask for this to be removed.

Do not refuse to tip unless you are disappointed in the service or food.

>>67117744

LOL!

they are pulling a Shillary, they are just cheating you to say it so they can throw you out or/and get revenge over you somehow

you can always do something like tip $0.34 just to fuck with them
i did that once when they brought my chicken tendies out cold

>>67117786
Je comprends cette.

>>67117744
>providing good service only because of tips
i used to be a waiter when I was younger and i did my best without expecting any tips. i'm happy as long as the customers are happy. what the fuck is wrong with American waiters?

>>67118607
because in the USA the customer is the king and therefore the waitress must work their asses hard to earn their money (tips).

>>67118606
not tipping one person isn't going to cause a revolution

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>Voluntarily give our businesses additional money for nothing, goy
>You're an asshole antisemite racist if you don't tip!

>>67119089
yes it wont cause a revolution. but this wasnt my point, when i said "it is a shit system"

I'm just here for the otters keep posting

A tip should only be a sing of gratitude IF the customer feels like you deserve it because of your exceptional good service. If waiters go around muh tiping everyone expecting they deserve the tip just because 'lulz I'm the waiter' they are fucked in the head

t. cheap fucker

>>67119584
I agree with guatemala

>>67117744
Pic related is capitalist ideology in a nutshell. To those living in that sort of culture, tipping is so obvious that those who dare to stand up against it instantly get stigmatised. To anyone OUTSIDE that culture, it seems weird that the customer should pay both for the meal AND half of their fucking wages.

The employer is the "cheap piece of shit" here, and likely also the one who made the infographic. If it was made by an actual waiter, that waiter must be the goodest goy ever.

Fuck tipping the Sharters, if they want more money they're going to ask their boss to not rape them as hard, like everyone else does.

You're not a local, you won't be coming back, the subhuman burger flipper will never get a chance to spit in your food.

And why the fuck would I tip the retard that just brought the food 10m from the kitchen to the table anyway? If I was going to tip someone, I'd tip the cook.

>>67117744
The employer legally must make up the difference between minimum wage and their wage

I never tip and I don't care.

I even dine and dash often too.

>>67118958
Did you not good to school too? Sad poor cunt.

>>67118814
Just tell them it's cold next time and you'll get hot ones as a replacement?

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Am I just supposed to let the tip on the table and walk away ?
Or should I give it directly to the waiter ?

>>67128657
dont tip
they are just trying to jew you
just dont go back to the same restaurant again, and if youre a tourist this shouldnt be a problem, what tourist eats in the same restaurant over and over?

>>67127476
> I never tip and I don't care.
> I even dine and dash often too.
Nice try, leafie...

Anyway, this tipping crap doesn't make sense. Charge me an extra 5% and pay your workers some human wage BY CONTRACT, I don't like being the one who provides them cash-in-hand.
But I guess talking about taxes in the US triggers the automatic "European socialist scum"...

>>67128781
The workers get paid though.

They legally must make minimum wage, and often times make a lot more. For a pisseasy job of literally carrying over two plates and drinks.

They don't deserve tips.

>>67128781
a: tipping has nothing to do with taxes
b: restaurants are a for profit business, obviously they are trying to make more money by shirking minimum wage laws.

>>67117870
>their boss is a jew
>im the asshole
fuck off

>>67128926
They don't shirk any laws though.

They must legally pay minimum wage, it's illegal otherwise. What they DO is they defer the cost to the customer additionally by using social stigma.

So you're just paying a 15%+ hidden cost on the food.

Refuse to tip, it's a bullshit jew scam. And servers are retarded anyway. Fuck them if they want me to pay to bring me food

Let me go to the kitchen and bring my own food then

I tipped maybe 10 - 12% in an American hotel for breakfast, and the waiter took 20 minutes to bring a box for my leftovers.

Is 12% not enough?

>>67129158
No needs to be at least 50%

I mean it's fair to pay so much for someone to do the easiest job ever, right?

dude fuck them

If I get bad service not only do I never tip. But I also leave without paying at all.

Sometimes I even steal the cutlery as some sort of revenge.

Sometimes I even cut the chairs or poke holes with knife or fork. I regulsrly piss ALL OVER the bathroom floors.

Fuck restaurants

Fuck serving faggots

>>67117744
in some places they call cops. but most likely they will lynch you.

sjw's always want people to tip 25% and up, it's obnoxious desu. Can't eat with my brother because of this shit

>>67118172
Just make yourself some sandwiches, you stingy frog.

>>67129416
Get a real job faggot

I hate tipping as much as the next guy. If they pass a legislation to change that, I would welcome it. But until that changes, I will always tip. I don't want to feel like a total asshole. It is just an excuse to be cheap.

>>67128926
> tipping has nothing to do with taxes
You don't pay taxes on tips, unless you are some kind of super-honest citizen who declares untraceable income even if you woud get away with not doing so.
So yeah, tips have something to do with taxes.

>>67129605
You're a real cuck.

Why don't you tip your local mailman or police officer?

Why don't surgeons get paid tips for successful operations? Or firemen for saving people from a fire?

>>67117744
They can't call the cops but you really should tip. If you don't then they probably will spit in/otherwise contaminate your food if you go there again.

>>67129656
>an asian doesn't understand empathy
color me surprised

When I went to a restaurant in New York, I didn't tip because the waiter spilled water and ice cubes in it over my table and never apologized.
Waiters in NY were overall so shit that they shouldn't reserve tips.

>>67129828
That's why I never go in a restaurrant when I'm in America. I only "take away", food from resto and no tips.

>>67129656
Are you that stupid? You can't live on $5 an hour. Blame the system but don't screw them as it's not their fault. Overall eating out in the US is more affordable than in Europe even with the tip included. I get that nobody tips in Europe so it easy for them. But what is your problem, leaf? Most Canadians do tip. Are you a chink or pajeet?

>>67129803
Empathy for what?

What are you being empathetic about and why are you only tipping servers?

Why isn't the cook getting tipped? He unarguably did more work, and which work resulted in your meal.

What are we being empathetic about here

>>67129901
An even better approach is to stay in France.

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>We rufuse to pay our staff minimum wage you the customer need to make up the difference so that we the owner can make as much money as possible

>If you refuse to enter into my guilt based pyramid scheme YOU are the CHEAP PIECE OF SHIT

Holy fuck American double think makes me laugh

Pretty glad minimum wage here is $20~ an hour

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>>67129948
You don't get paid $5/hr.

The employer must legally make up the difference if you somehow made less than minimum wage.

Also they're entirely free to get another job. You don't have any real argument besides calling me nonwhite.

Why isn't the cook getting tips?

>>67129948
>Overall eating out in the US is more affordable than in Europe even with the tip included.
Give me an example.

>>67130000
This

If you want to be mad at someone:

A) be mad at yourself for not getting a better job

B) be mad at your Jew boss who is trying to cut costs by paying you less and passing the cost to the customer

It's completely retarded and the fact that people will actually defend this is astonishing.

>>67117744
Yes, and fuck you, you frog fuck. If you're too broke to tip, don't come to my country muslim-faggot

>>67130002
In the U.S. the fedeeal minimum wage for servers isn't $5 an hour, it's $2.13 per hour and the employer is absolutely not obligated to make up any difference but the server is obligated to pay taxes on normal minimum wage whether they made it or not.

They can quit and find another job though like you said.

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You know what this is?

>>67117744
You do tip in France though, it's just that you don't see it as it's included in the price.
In the usa its not included in the price, so everything is cheap as fuck but you have to add he tip.
in general eating out in the states is super affordable compared to other developped countries

>>67117744
>restaurants are permitted to bypass the federal minimum wage requirements
Can some burger explain why?

>>67129614

>You don't pay taxes on tips, unless you are some kind of super-honest citizen who declares untraceable income even if you woud get away with not doing so.

It's not untraceable if they tip you using a credit/debit card.

>>67130196
> in general eating out in the states is super affordable
Like how much?

>>67118607

Tax

Dodging.

Their eployer have to pay if they don't make min wage with their tips.

>>67130274
Don't listen to him, he's full of shit. The only noticeably cheaper places to eat in the U.S. than other countries are fast food restaurants and they don't tip there anyway.

>>67130235
>>67130196

They can't, if you make less than state minimum wage restaurants have to cover the difference. You can pay servers minimum wage, but expect minimum wage service. I hope you enjoy Tyrone putting his pubes in your crapplebee's sandwhich.

>>67130002
>The employer must legally make up the difference if you somehow made less than minimum wage.

Sure, and your employer will get pissed that they're paying you more than they need to and they'll fire you.

>>67130182
>it's $2.13 per hour and the employer is absolutely not obligated to make up any difference
They are, it's the law. But as I said, if you have a server who makes $20 an hour in tips and then another server who sucks and you're constantly having to make up the difference in his hourly wage, you'll just get rid of them. Making the minimum wage off tips isn't exactly difficult.

t. a bartender that averages around $30/hr

>>67130274
For what, specifically? Lunch 10-15 bucks, dinner maybe 20-30. Roughly.

>>67130283
kek, the french are talking about tax dodging. Isn't that your favorite sport?

>>67118607

>I don't get it, why don't american politics pass a law to regulate wages in this sector ?
>Like that, no need to tip

Because that would suck. A lot of servers and bartenders make pretty good money. If I suddenly made minimum wage or even $15/hr, that would destroy my income.

>>67117786
*guy gets google translate open*

*POURBOIRE !*

wat do ?

>>67130371
>Sure, and your employer will get pissed that they're paying you more than they need to and they'll fire you.

And that's my problem... why?

You can't just choose a job knowing it's shit and then get mad about it. That's idiotic. Why the hell is it my responsibility as a customer?

>>67130472
Nice try buddy. If that was true and it was that easy to make $30 an hour waiting tables, that would be everyone's dream job.

>>67130472

Then maybe you should have aspired to do something more with your life.

>>67130640
Depends on the restaurant you work at.

But being a server is a great job, you do fuckall and get paid tips by idiotic cucks for literally bringing two plates and glasses of water. And you almost always make like $15/hr

>>67130540
Todrink

>>67130354
Why is it my fault their pay is shit? I'm not their boss, he's the one that should pay them.

>>67130412
Cool, pretty much the same as here. But we have the 'service' voice, which is 10-15% of the total. Some places also add 1€ or so, it's called "coperto" and is basically a fucking kike tax. Some regions even banned this custom. And yet, some people still tip.

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>>67130733
Come on goy... it's just 30% of your bill... Just pay up... The server needs to eat, come on!

>>67117744
We havent had many tipping threads in months and now several in the last two days, is this the new populair thing to start a thread about now?

>>67130760
The server can find himself a better job instead of putting his bodily fluids into the food like a fucking animal

>>67130744
also consider that most americans get taxed a lot less than in other countries, leaving them with more money for stuff like restaurants and so on.

>>67130816
The funniest part is that Servers make idiotic money for the work they do...

They make more than cooks doing far less. They make more than factory workers. It's literally one of the best jobs for unskilled fags because you get paid so much yet do NOTHING

>>67130578

>And that's my problem... why?

I don't recall saying it's your problem. Just explaining how shit usually works.

>tipping makes people work harder
>if you don't meet the required minimum wage with tips your employer fills the rest

Ah yes

>"you have to tip, otherwise this worker that chose a low paying job might have problems to make it to pay day"

>>67130640

I'm a bartender in a pretty upper class area. I'm not even in one of the more expensive restaurants, they make even more than I do.

And yes, it's a pretty sweet deal. My bachelor of science was a waste of fucking of money.

>>67130691
Yes median tips per hour seems to be between $7 to $13. So the total per hour is about what, $12 to $20. You are saying it is more than they deserve? I don't know. How much do waiters make in Europe?

>>67130882
What about hours per week and days per week ?

>>67130960
>Bachelor in developped country

Try master

>>67130832
Funny thing talking about taxation: in the US they pay 20% VAT in restaurants, while we pay 10%. Also, I remember the price in the menu isn't VAT included, is it right? So strange...

>>67130882

In this corner of the midwest it varies. You hardly make minimum during the winter months but during tourist season it's an absolute killing floor. Then only the strong survive.

t. dishwasher

>>67130882

>It's literally one of the best jobs for unskilled fags because you get paid so much yet do NOTHING

That largely depends on where you're working, though. Sure, working at Denny's is probably pretty easy. Other restaurants, such as the one I work at, require you to know just about every ingredient of every dish, know how to make just about any cocktail imaginable, be able to suggest a wine pairing for just about any of our 50+ wines (and be able to describe the wines perfectly), and be able to do all this in a small amount of time.

It's not rocket science by any means, but it is hard work and you have to know a lot.

>>67130964
>How much do waiters make in Europe?
Here, a waiter in a family restaurant makes something like 30€/day or so. Don't know about fancy places.

>>67130964
>You are saying it is more than they deserve?

Most definitely.

Being a server is a very easy job.

>Make significantly above minimum wage
>Requires no skills whatsoever
>Requires no experience
>Working in a clean, air-conditioned/heated building
>No heavy lifting
>No strenuous physical labour

What's not to like?

>>67131111
>That largely depends on where you're working, though.

Yeah but it scales up.

At a nice restaurant (like yours I suppose? not sure) servers easily make $40-50k/yr+

>>67130882
so cooks are cucks? wrong choice? not everyone can be a waiter? i thought it is all about supply and demand and there is no such thing as easy money

>>67131198
>i thought it is all about supply and demand and there is no such thing as easy money

The market isn't exactly rational.

If people were paid based on their value then there wouldn't be so many scams.

>so cooks are cucks? wrong choice? not everyone can be a waiter?

Just saying I find it a little silly that the person BRINGING the food would be making more money with less work than the one actually cooking it...

>>67131076
>in the US they pay 20% VAT in restaurants
Not sure what you mean by that. A sales tax? I am not sure about exact amount but it is lik 3-5% maybe. And it is not included in the price, correct.

>>67121677
That's Honduras

>>67131257
yes, true by the same token people often argue that pilots make way to much money.

>>67127476
Based leaf

>>67131286
>A sales tax?
Yep.
I'm sorry, 20% is in the UK!

>>67117744
>>67117870
>>67118176
>>67118275
>their manager/boss is a faggot jew bitch
>I pay for my meal, which was expensive
>they ask for fucking 20% tip
>somehow I am the dickwad, somehow I am the cheapo

okay buds. going back to Mexico lol

>because restaurants are permitted to bypass the federal minimum wage requirements

Why though

I am a software engineer and nobody tips me. In reality I work about an hour a day and for the rest of the day I shitpost here. I write shitty software and you cucks pay insane amount of money for it. And you better do because piracy is wrong and illegal!

>>67131481
>why though
cause I said so

>>67131481
>>67131518
It's not though.

>5. Can my employer pay me less in wages because I receive tips?


>Yes, under certain circumstances. Under federal law, an employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If your tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees, or calculate the offset differently.


>If your tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees, or calculate the offset differently.

>THE EMPLOYER *MUST* MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE

>Travel the USA
>Never eating in the same place twice
>Don't tip, or just leave some useless change
>Meanwhile patriotic seppo cunts are subsidising my meals by 15-20%

Feels good.

Why don't apply the same exception on everything? Why not pay a factory's worker 3 dollars and hour and ask the buyer of the stuff he makes to tip them? What makes restaurants special?

>>67131687
Lol to my tactic:

>Go to bathroom and piss all over the floor
>Steal the cutlery
>Leave without paying

The ultimate "cuck you" to those cunts

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>>67131705
>What makes restaurants special?

u-uh...uhh....

HAVE SOME SYMPATHY FOR THE POOR WORKERS, OYY VEYY. HOW DARE YOU QUESTION WHY THEIR EMPLOYER IS TRYING TO PASS THE COST ONTO THE CUSTOMER BY GUILITING THEM INTO IT?

>>67131491
>I work about an hour a day and for the rest of the day I shitpost here.

It's amazing anything gets accomplished really when you consider how many people spend most of their work hours fucking off, and that's on top of the vast sum of people who don't actually know what they are doing and have to spend everyday stressed out trying to pretend they do.

>>67131798
Yes! And now take it a step further and consider a pharmaceutical company for example. Kek, on that top of everything you mentioned they also waste billions on lawyers and other corporate shit. And then some poor cuck has to pay $1000 for his prescription. Literally 100 bucks a pill lmao. Suddenly tipping $5 doesn't seem so bad...

>>67130000
>Another aussie thinks minimum wage means anything
You're still poor if have to pay 3x as much for everything, if you want to find a prime example, start shopping for a house in the USA

>>67131798

truth is service sector, despite comfy wages ends up with a majority the of labor, it's basically the new manufacturing

that doesn't mean uni research jobs aren't important, I'm just blown away by how many students in this state hold part time jobs ($8.5/hr), get to negotiate weird hours while filling in time after work doing 'research' ($15/hr) average.

Cutting hours is pretty common in research positions though, I don't blame them.