ITT: We create 4chan's language Let's first decide:

Gendered nouns are a blight upon humanity.
Also, fuck my phone.

>>67067289
best = north korea
worst = south korea
belaruse = poland
poland = belaruse
finland = mongolia
mongolia = finland
europe = middle east

>>67067289
Do we really need gender?

>>67067289
I recommend some Altaic cases(Mongolian, Turkic, Tungustic) without vowel harmony:

Nom. --
Gen. -(i)n
Dat. -ge(-ke)
Loc. -de(-te)
Acc. -we\
...

And some postpositions(mostly from Kazakh):
Noun in gen. + as(te) = under
tablen aste --> under the table
Noun in gen. + kas(te) = near
boxin kaste --> near the box
Noun in gen. + ish(te) = inside
boxin ishte --> inside the box

>>67067289
>3
>5
>7
>some verbs and nouns

>>67068377
This seems good
We don't want an Esperanto-like language, do we?

>>67068751
I don't know what stems there will be
For example: fuck-

Declension(Altaic type)(present):
sg.(pos.)
I. Fuckem
II. Fuckes
III. Fucket
pl.(pos.)
I. Fuckemez
II. Fuckesez
III. Fucketez
sg.(neg).
I. Fuckemem
II. Fuckemes
II. Fuckemet
pl.(pos.)
I. Fuckememez
II. Fuckemesez
III. Fuckemetez

But, desu, grammatical person is unnecessary, I suppose.

>>67068751
If we remove it(grammatical person) we just can say:

pos. Fuck
neg. Fuckana

-ana is an option of a negative suffix

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We should use the Voynich alphabet.

Let's make it purely analytical pls, agglutination a shit.

>>67068917
We'll keep it in mind

>>67069061
Yes, let's talk about sounds and orthography

Accent marks, diacritics, vowels, consonants...

It has to be phonetic, although some consonant clusters and diphthongs don't sound bad

>>67069109
Ok. But what particles and prepositions we should use?

>>67069155
So, what about vocabulary? Can you make some stems? Should this language be flexible, analytical, agglutinative..? What about genders?

>>67069176
We could use altaic ones as long as we isolate them. neg. Fuck ana

>>67069305
There is no preposition in Altaic languages
There's no gender either

We can say both "fuckana" and "ne fuck" for example. No difference, pal

>>67069305
We could derive all vocabulary from nouns: Lustful= lust + adj. marker, To lust= lust + verb marker, Lustfully= lust + adv. marker. This could be valid for all nouns.

>>67069564
Well, someone has to make a few nouns of the new language. And we'll see what particles, suffixes, prefixes we can use

>>67069705
By the way it's also important to create these particles/ suffixes/ inflections(in case of gender) etc.

>>67069902
How about we dont use gendres but have a difference between living and non-living things ?

>>67070129
Yeah, it's a good idea! But we need some nouns, first

>>67070129
There was a Native American language (Winnebago, iirc) that distinguished between something being active, neutral, or passive. So if I was sleeping, you'd use the passive to refer to me, neutral if I was hanging out, and active if I was like working or running a race or something.

Give me one reason

JUST ONE

why I shouldn't learn your language.

>>67070339
You are lazy (maybe).

>>67067289

Keep genders, tenses and irregularities to a minimum.

Praise be to Kek

>>67070129
In practice, I can't imagine how it'll work and what iflexions will be indicators

I might imagine it like this:
We have possessive pronouns: deja(my(living)), dej(my(non-living))
So: tep(a girl), kons(a cat) sait(a gun) = deja tep, dej sait, deja kons...

>>67070503
Looks good, although even if those are temporary terms you are using, having it like this : "dij"(my living) and "dej"(my non-living) might be better to avoid confusion for words starting with "a".

>>67070304
Interesting. That makes sense

>>67070806
Nice observation!
Ok, for example, adjectives:
sona(beautiful(liv.)) - son(non-liv.)
sona tep, sona kons, son sait

what do you think about declension? will it be different for non-liv. and liv. or we use analytical lang without cases?

>>67071086
I think there should be a difference between l. and nl.

>>67071277
I've brought other paradigms(cases) for adjectives(singular):

Nom. sona(liv.) son(non-liv)
Gen. sonais sonis
Dat. sonam sonme
Acc. sonac sonc
...
If we have articles I think it won't be necessary for nouns to have declention
If nouns don't have declention we'll get:
sonam tep(to beautiful girl), sonc sait(beutiful gun(acc.)), sonais kons(of beautiful cat)

That is -- nouns haven't cases. Or we should have declension for nouns?

HURRRRRRRRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRR RREEEEEEEEE DURRREERREEEEEEEEERRR
Am I fluent yet?

>>67071578
no, you just spoke Dutch

>>67071523
I dont think nouns need to have declension, only singular/plural will change it.

>>67071523
Yeah, so it'll be much clearer if we create articles

For example -on-(a)(indifinite sing.) and -isc(a)-(difinite sing.)

Nom. ona(l.) on(n-l.) // isca(I.) isc(n-l.)
Gen. onais onis iscais iscis
Dat. onam onme iscam iscme
Acc. onac onc iscac iscic

onais tep(of a beautiful girl), iscais tep(of the beautiful girl), iscme sait(to the gun)

>>67071633
It turns out that nouns themselves are almost a dormant part

>>67072037
I was thinking about making a difference in declension between stative and dynamic adjectives.

>>67072102
May you show it?

>>67072178
Still trying to figure it out but basically for beautiful which is a stative adjective would be :
Nom : sona (liv) son (nliv)
Gen : sonaj sonj
Dat : sonaet sonet
Acc : sonaer soner
And dynamic would be the one you previously made.

>>67072445
In fact we can replace case system with prepositions(analytical way(de, to, a etc.). But it wouldn't be so exquisite so case system is perfect
What does dynamic adj. look like

>>67072178
>>67072445
(Also I was thinking of making "ae" a diphthong for the the ⟨ɛ⟩ sound.)

>>67072612
Dynamic would be like >>67071523

>>67072613
Not bad. I'm thinking of long and short vowels, and diphthong as well
ā, ē, ī, ō, ū, ae— a, e, i, o, u, ae:

>>67072809
Now, it's time to create the negative participle..
for example, -nae-
Do we need a verb "to be"?

>>67072809
Also to go with >>67072445 , a "j" at the end of a word makes the "y" consonnant sound.

>>67072958
Yeah, since I also want to make a difference between stative and dynamic verbs.

Needs to involve terrible memes somehow.

>>67072958
Ok! It's clear. But what about verbs? Have you any thouhgts?

All nouns should be masculine, as there are no girls on the internet.

>>67073065
Let's use the verb "dindu"

>>67073133
You mean tenses ? Can we have a retarded amount of them ?

>>67073133
Oh i know, all the static verbs end with -or will the dynamic end with -oz

>>67073257
>>67073313
My paradigm(dynamic)(present sing.):
I(person). dindu
II. dindus
III. dindut
(present plur.)
I. dindume
II. dindute
III. dundunt

Gender = retarded. Don't even make the 3rd person pronoun have separate genders.

Agglutinative languages are the best.

Inflection for nouns is cool, just keep it regular. Inflection for verbs is cool too, keep that regular also.

Verb inflection would not even be needed if we did it like Japanese/Korean and left it up to context.

Don't need to deal with tenses if we can just say a time indication somewhere in the sentence.

Attitudinals (like Lojban) are autistic but pretty fun.

>>67069109
kys

How about we come up with a new alphabet for Iran, since the current one is the definition of getting cucked by Arabs?

>>67073419
My paradigm(static)(present sing.):
I(person). dindu ast
II. dindus ast
III. dindut ast
(present plur.)
I. dindume ast
II. dindute ast
III. dundunt ast

What we have now :
Articles :
-on(a)-(indifinite sing.) -isc(a)-(difinite sing.)
Nominative Ona (living) ; on (non-living) Isca (living) ; isc (non-living)
Genitive Onais ; onis Iscais ; iscis
Dative Onam ; onme Iscam ; iscme
Accusative Onac ; onc Iscac ; iscic

Adjectives :
Stative liv. Stative nliv. Dynamic liv. Dynamic nliv.
Nominative -a - -a -
Genitive -aj -j -ais -is
Dative -aet -et -am -me
Accusative -aer -er -ac -c

Negation particule : -nae-

>>67073576
Damn my formatting didnt go through

Articles :
........................-on(a)-(indifinite sing.)............-isc(a)-(difinite sing.)
Nominative........Ona (living) ; on (non-living) ..Isca (living) ; isc (non-living)
Genitive.............Onais ; onis.........................Iscais ; iscis
Dative...............Onam ; onme.......................Iscam ; iscme
Accusative.........Onac ; onc..........................Iscac ; iscic

Adjectives :
........................Stative liv. .......Stative nliv. .......Dynamic liv. .......Dynamic nliv.
Nominative........-a.....................-.......................-a........................-
Genitive............-aj....................-j.......................-ais.....................-is
Dative...............-aet..................-et....................-am.....................-me
Accusative........-aer..................-er.....................-ac......................-c

Negative particule : -nae-

Fin - thing
Nufin - nothing

Have we double or single negation?
Nae dindu nufin or Dindu nufin

>>67073429
Agglutinative languages are logical. I remember Manchu, Evenki, Old Turkic. These are really easier than Proto-Slavic etc.

Yall niggas REALLY need gfs.

>>67073929
I know. :(

>>67073880
Manchu:
just: mini(my)
Proto-Slavic:
Nom. mojь moja moje
Gen. mojego mojeje mojego
Dat. mojemu mojejь mojemu
..

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>>67073880
>Fin - thing
>Nufin - nothing

An example of agglutinative sentence(Kazakh):
anau gimaratka kiru ushin, sizge bilet kerek
anau(that) gimarat(building)-ka(to) kiru(to enter) ushin(for), siz(you)-ge(to) bilet(ticket) kerek(necessary)

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>>67074389
Whoa, I didn't know our languages were this related
O yapıya girebilmeniz için size bilet gerek

List of possible tense we could use:
Present
Past
Futur
Tense to describe something that happened before something with the present tense
Tense to describe something that happened before something with the past tense
Tense to describe something that happened before something with the futur tense

Tell me if its confusing.

>>67067289
NO CONSONANTS
ONLY VOWELS

Can there be two forms of "we"?

As in (you and me) and (me and my peers that aren't you). I really wish English had something like that.

>>67074535
The abundance of postpositions as well

For spacial postposition we often use genetive noun with a function word:
Koraptin ishinde(inside the box)
Koraptin astinda(under the box)
Koraptin kasinda(near the box)
...
Korap ushin(for the box)
Korap turali(about the box)
Koraptan(from the box)

>>67074667
so an inclusif we and an exclusif we ?

>>67074735
Yeah, that. You worded it much better.

>>67074727
Koraptin ishinde ne bar? What's there inside the box?

>>67074573
So ?

>>67074727
Hmm it seems like some sh sounds in kazakh is ch in turkish

>korap
Never heard of this
Koraptin ishinde(inside the box)
Kutunun içinde (ç makes the ch sound)
Koraptin astinda(under the box)
Kutunun altında
Koraptin kasinda(near the box)
Kutunun altında
>>67074776
Kutunun içinde ne var?
Lel pretty much the same

>>67075064
Should we have grammatical persons?

>>67075077
Oops, forgot the meme arrows but you get the idea

>>67073429
>making the most boring conlang possible
ok

>>67075122
The usual ones, with an inclusive "we" and an exclusive "we" like >>67074774 wanted and a polite form, i think.

>>67075077
Yeah, there happened some changes in Kazakh phonetics(post-Cuman period):
y --> zh(yapıraq --> zhapıraq, juldız --> zhuldız)
ç --> ş(aç --> aş, şaç --> şaş)
ş --> s(aş --> as, qış --> qıs)

>>67075301
>a polite form
Like in Japanese?

Just learn Greek, lads

>>67075328
and, apparently, there was loss labial synharmonism:
oqudum --> oqudım
yulduzum --> zhuldızım

>>67075382
I mean, in French, the second person of plural can be used as a polite form. In german, it's the feminine third person plural that does it. Like that, you see ?

>Autism: The Thread

>>67075475
Oh, yeah, I've got it! There is the same in Russian. Do you have paradigms(conjugation) for verbs?

>>67075507
You're just jealous you're not part of it.

>>67075542
Of course, in French we have 17 or so different tenses with different conjugation for each person.

>>67075572
>literally everyone could participate by just posting autistic pseudo-linguistic shit
>jealous

>>67075615
So let's see them!

>>67075682
Mode indicatif:
-Présent de l'indicatif
-Passé composé de l'indicatif
-Imparfait de l'indicatif
-Plus-que-parfait de l'indicatif
-Passé simple de l'indicatif
-Passé antérieur de l'indicatif
-Futur simple de l'indicatif
-Futur antérieur de l'indicatif
-Futur proche de l'indicatif

Mode conditionnel
-Conditionnel présent
-Conditionnel passé

Mode subjonctif
-Présent du subjonctif
-Passé du subjonctif
-Imparfait du subjonctif
-Plus-que-parfait du subjonctif

Mode participe
-Participe présent
-Participe passé

Mode gérondif
-Gérondif présent
-Gérondif passé

Mode impératif
-Impératif présent
-Impératif passé

Mode infinitif
-Infinitif présent
-Infinitif passé

>>67075913
And i forgot Conditionnel passé 2nd forme, but it's barely used anymore.

What the fuck is going on ITT?!

>>67075913
Wow! Do you have any examples of conjugation for the new language?

>>67076044
I was thinking about those basic ones : >>67074573

>>67076090
May you conjugate "dindu"?

>>67076148
And for conjugation, modifying passé simple to fit the new language :
past static:
Singular
I. dindus
II. dindus
III. dindut
plural:
I. dindums
II. dinduez
III. dindurt

past dynamic:
Singular:
I. dindua
II. dinduas
III. dindua
plural:
I. dinduins
II. dinduiez
III. dinduert

>>67076320
Not bad!
But we don't have enough material to create meaningful sentences. What should we improve?

>>67075913
Also I forgot to mention, we have 3 different groups of verbs (without the auxilaries) with different conjugation for each ones, the ones ending in -er, the ones endings in -ir but not all of them and the others.

>>67076444
preposition and syntax

>>67076469
Kinda similar to romance languages

>>67076510
apo - from(+?)
do - to(+Dat)
From Indo-European

>>67067289
Die 4chans sprache ist deutsche, mein afrikanische freunde.

>>67076712
Ic ne the undergiete, bidde, figne for aengelde

>>67076615
Apo is dative
apej - with(+Gen)
pent - in(+?)

>>67076940
There should be more cases I suppose..

>>67076977
I think 4 are fine, especially those ones. Also I cant tell at a more advanced level since French doesnt really have cases.

We've done this so many times and it's never worked.

>>67077519
Because few people are interested in it..

>>67077519
I still enjoy reading the thread. It reminds me of Tolkien.

>>67077946
Tolkien wrote autistic shit ?

>>67078157
He created Elvish

>>67078207
Oh yeah.

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This is interesting....
maybe a secret language that normies will not understand....
I'm going to screen cap this thread

>>67078207
Yeah, two different versions of it too