I'm in portugal.Jesus fucking christ this country is so

At least the Portuguese you speak in Portugal doesn't sound as retarded as the one from Brazil.

>>66828621
Yes,and portuguese doesn't sound as retarded as spanish

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>>66828690
>not retarded
>literally every word goes like this: brrrrronshao

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>>66828785
Ñao muito muito ñao ñao ñao rafinha rafinha ñao ñao ñao ñao muito muito

>>66828981
não*
you fucking nigger

>>66829022
Kek

>>66828621

Brazilians improved the language.
And it is better than this unfinished Portuguese; aka Spanish.

>>66829372
Calmly spoken Brazilian doesn't sound bad at all. Makes you sound very honest and nice. You guys always seem to have the nicest grandpas.

>>66829372
>improved the language
>by adding tupi and african phonology into it
ok then.

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>>66828479
>ola tud' baim iu sou um portugaix muit' thipicu goxt' d' maire d' práiã i subritud' d' j'gairu fut'bol i goxt d' crixtian' ronald' órã poix

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>>66829522
>tupi and guarani
>not based languages

>>66828479
where are you from, OP?

>>66829688
Not too bad. We'd say mar and j'gar, we don't add the i. That's your thing with "mas" and "mais" mixing up.

>>66828785

Said the German.
For each vowel, fifteen consonants; how can you even speak?

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>>66829372
>ask someone from são paulo or rio to say 'bate forte o tambor'
>they spew "bati forti o tambo"

>>66829941
that's polish not german

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>>66830028
>a geintchi entremo drentu du metrô e fomu hobadu

>>66830028
>bat' fort' u tâmbôr'

>>66829522
emboaba pls

>>66830028

Aqui em Minas, é má ô mêno isso. Amputado, claro!, o sotaque enviadado dos fluminenses.

>>66830032

How can we tell the difference?

>>66830841
Poland is whiter.

>>66829872
/luso/ shitpost land

>>66828479
>live pretty close to Portugal, just separated from it by a river
>girls this side of the river look normal
>girls on the other side have prominent mustaches

Really makes you think

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>>66831624
Run away, mate. They might be bakers.

>>66829429

Thanks. The main problem is our accent; fluminenses have the worst one,

>>66832664
My biggest problem with Brazil is that when you speak fast you start accenting every syllable and start sounding Spanish.

When you guys pace yourselves it gets a lot more musical. Even Rio accent sounds great in Bossa Nova, mostly because it's sung very delicately.

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>>66832505
What do you call a Geisha with a mustache?

A Portugeisha.

>>66828479
C A R A L H O, My condolences.

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>>66833009
That's actually pretty funny, kek.

>>66828479

But women that like playing soccer, usually aren't models you know.
But you can find a Brazilian women.

>>66832976

> sounding Spanish
That was offensive.

But that is the fluminenses, from inner country we speak slowly.

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This happened to me two nights ago, no joke
>walking to party with friend
>turn onto street at the same time as another group of people
>one of them sounded like he was speaking Spanish, my friend says something in Spanish to him
>he whips around
>I'M FUCKING PORTUGESE!?!?!?!?!?! I HATE ALL OF YOU AMERICANS, CAN'T TELL SPANISH FROM PORTUGESE ETC
>smashes bottle of liquor on the pavement and walks away screaming as his friends try to calm him down
Guess I know where I'm never going when I visit Europe.

>>66833226
I didn't mean to offend, but it's mostly a language rhythm thing. Euro Portuguese is the only romance language that doesn't stress every syllable the same, and Brazilian Portuguese is a bit hybrid depending on speed and region, but it mostly tends to stress every syllable.

Say "Excelente" 5 times and you get 20 vocal syllables in Brazilian, but only 5 in Portuguese.

Spanish and Italian are the more noticeable ones, which is what I meant. When you speak fast you go from a 2 to a 4 in the 1-10 Euro Portuguese to Spanish scale. It's still noticeably and closest to Portuguese, but it moves a bit in the Spanish direction.

>>66833328
You can come here just fine. Just don't speak Spanish, really. English is preferred. If you ask for directions in Spanish you WILL get sent to the wrong part of town.

On the other hand, if you go to a pub as say you hate the Spanish in Portuguese, broken as you can manage, you'll probably get a free beer.

>>66833445

Wow... Just wow.
Wow!!!
Yeah... I notice it. In your video, I found it difficult to understand what they are saying. Our Portuguese is very corrupted, but please don't say it looks like this Mexican language.

>>66833445
>Be the worst shithole in western Europe, having only one neighbour : Spain
>Receives foreigners who are interested in discovering your country and culture
>Makes interaction very difficult because doesn't want to listen to muh spanish

Are you secretly catalan ?

>>66828479

Tuga, caralho, como é que vocês falam as posições dos jogadores?

>>66833665
Your Portuguese is probably more faithful than ours to what it was when we separated.

We just continued our quest to further distance ourselves from Spanish, and you guys thought it was enough at the time.

>>66833672
English is fine. Unless you live by the border (which few people do), we literally have better English skills than Spanish skills.

Plus, we don't mind people being interested, we just don't want people to assume we speak that dirty peasant language that is Castilian.

If people really want to make the effort to speak Portuguese and say "obrigado" instead of "gracias" is really enough for us to be nice. We also don't force native Spanish speakers this rule, just ignorant Americans and French and the like.

>>66833837
Guarda-Redes, Defesa, Médio, Trinque, Avançado, Ponta de Lança.

Não ligo nada a futebol, mas estas são as que ouço.

>>66833932

>We just continued our quest to further distance ourselves from Spanish
Sure thing, bro.
But I'm learning Spanish, and based on what I've talked with Argentinians and Mexicans, we are pretty far away from then.

>>66834074
You are, I was just teasing a bit.

You still call a pêssego a pêssego, not this retarded MOLOCOTO nonsense.

>>66833932

Nossa:
Guarda-redes = Goleiro
Defesa = Zaga
Médio = Centro-Avante
Trinque = ??? Seriam os Laterais?
Avançado = ??? Seria isso o Atacante?
Ponta de Lança = ???

>>66833932
How do you consider portuguese-french people ? My gf is french and has a portuguese father, but she doesn't speak portuguese.

>>66834129

Hehehehe.
Pior, "fresa" é Morango!
Espanhol é um Português mal acabado.

>>66834164
In general they dislike their diaspora but the Portuguese in France are the most reviled.

>>66834158
Guarda-Redes
Defesa(centrais e laterais)
Médio(médio centro,defensivo,ofensivo,trico,10)
Avançado(Extremos,Ponta de lança)

>>66834158
É capaz. Ponta de Lança é o avançado

>>66834164
Non meme? The Portuguese diaspora in France is the worst Portuguese diaspora. The conditions of their leaving the country made them really pretentious when they come back to visit, and their second generation is usually very delinquent and "muh heritage" without ever coming into contact with the Portuguese mentality.

We're not particularly thuggish or confrontational, but we are headstrong and no-nonsense and some of them mix it up and start shit. It's usually the men, though.

>>66834211
Em Espanha puseram os Reis a falar como os camponeses, em Portugal pusemos os camponeses falar como Reis. NÓS

O Cervantes elogiou a língua Portuguesa, e o Camões gozava com os Esp*nhóis.

>>66834272
Come on mate. I've told you we don't hate them, you just came to the place where the population is old. Fátima gathers a lot of old ladies that are either sad their kids left them, or that their friend's kids are shitty when they come round from France. We are mostly understanding of the reason of the Diaspora.

>>66834334
>trico
Não é trinque? Honestamente nunca vi escrito. Trinco é da porta.

>>66834366
trinquo/trinco*,aqui em portugal é assim

>>66834385
Ok, acredito. Não sou gajo de futebol.

>>66834334

Putz... que diferença.
Aqui é mais simples:
Goleiro
Zagueiro
Centro-Avante
Laterais
Atacantes

>>66834336
Actually my gf grandfathers came in France for political reasons, fleeing Salazar's repression. Now she is fully integrated into french culture so I feel pretty confident.

>>66834481
Por isso é que Portugal tem 1 taça europeia e o Brasil tem 0.

0!!!

>>66834493
Most of the French diaspora came during the Regime, or right after that, after we left our colonies and crashed our job market.

If she's a 3rd generation she's probably more French than Portuguese, for better or worse.

>>66834336

Espanhol é de difícil pronuncia, tem muitos sons ligados ao "erre" (r, rr, j, g), o que cansa a garganta ao falar. Cinco minutos de aula, são dois copos de água.
O Português, por outro lado, é mais suave e menos cansativo; de melhor pronuncia e mais bom gosto na escrito.
Uma boa herança de vocês.

>>66834518

>taça europeia
Lamento, mas... somos sul-americanos.
Meio difícil disputarmos a taça EUROPEIA.

>>66834518

Ou isso foi uma piada e entendi porríssima alguma.

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>>66834572
>ligados ao "erre" (r, rr, j, g)
Árabes. Nem sequer é meme. Mas também deve depender um bocado do dialecto.

Espanhol é a versão trial do Português, sem metade dos sons. Pic related.

>>66834635
A França também não é Europeia e já tem. Menos desculpas e mais trabalho.

>>66834664
Adivinha.

>>66834572
It is very common for little kids to have problems with the rr sound. They are sent to audiologists to correct their pronounciation.

>>66834705
Yeah, it's also usually the last sound our kids learn too (we only have the rolling one or the French one, but they are interchangeable).

They usually use a hard g to replace it until they learn it, for some reason.

>>66834572

The rr of Serra is 100 percent Arab. Spanish is Leonese pronounced by Basques.

>>66834752
Do you pronounce «rata» or «rei» with a rolled «r» or a french «r» ?

>>66834815
I pronounce it with a French one. My parents both pronounce it with the rolled R. I sometimes use the rolled as well.

It's an individual-by-individual situation rather than a region-by-region thing, as far as I can tell.

>>66834705

Muy bien, yo voy cometer la herejía de escribir en esa lengua horrenda.
Nosotros tenemos también el doble "erre", pero no lo pronunciamos abyectamente como ustedes.
Nuestra lengua és más lisa y menos fastidioso.

>>66834572
What you say is weird, in Brazil you are used to the throat «r» which is basically a light version of the spanish «j» or «g».
And in spanish «r» and «rr» are fully rolled, so no use of the throat.

>>66834676

This.
More an Arabic language.

>>66834920
Sandniggers are still better than shemale African niggers

>>66834947
Maybe, but not all Brazilians are shemale, whereas most Spaniards and their spawn speak the Arab-influenced language.

Galicians and Catalans aside, who are pretty cool, go figure.

>>66834909

>in Brazil you are used to the throat «r» which is basically a light version of the spanish «j» or «g»
Nope.
That is for the double "erre", and we don't use this that much.
One "erre" is more light.
While Spanish has j, g and r, and they use a lot of it. More trying for speak.

>>66834986
Brazilians are either shemales or monkeys
Spaniards are cool though

>>66834947

Sorry, burger.
But you have to speak at least three languages to post here.

>>66835011
Isn't this influenced by arab ?
When I listen to brazilian people using a throat «r» when the r is but in the beginning of a word, it sounds arab desu.
On the other hand, the spanish «r» is a latin-rolled one, and the occurence of «jota» in spanish is not that important.

It is just my impression.

>>66835122

Well, of course it has some, lets say, minimum Arabic influence. But when compared with Spanish, It is a irrelevant issue.

>When I listen to brazilian people using a throat «r» when the r is but in the beginning of a word, it sounds arab desu.
Seriously? I don't see that way, but, I think, It will depend on the region. In the country side we drag the "r" sound and use less the throat.
Perhaps you've been talking to Cariocas (Rio de Janeiro)?

>On the other hand, the spanish «r» is a latin-rolled one, and the occurence of «jota» in spanish is not that important.
Actually, It is. I've been facing trouble to pronounce the "jota" in Spanish. I confuse it all the time.

>>66835041
I actually do
I speak English
Je parle français
Mi parolas Esperanton

>>66835122
Spanish has the harsh J sound which is from Arabic. The R they do roll.

Brazilian/Portuguese "French" R was literally taken from French, if I'm not mistaken. At some point in history French royals were all the rage, fashion-wise.

Portuguese does have a fair few Arab words, but it's not noticeable in the accent or pronunciation, just the vocabulary.

>>66835276
Esperanto isn't a language, it's a meme.

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>>66835276

>Esperanton
Ok, we will be waiting for the third language then.

>>66835306
Saps que també puc parlar català, no?

>>66835321

>American
>Speaking more than one langue
I'm sorry to not thrust you on, burger.

>>66828479
good god

>>66835380
Sé que és algo que no es fàcil de veure, però és possible
Hi ha alguns de nosaltres que podem parlar fins cinc o sis llengües, però solament has de cercar

>>66835286
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>>66835438
>>66835122
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>>66834909
guys,/thread
>>66835426
what?

>>66835438

>Google Translator
>American
Still not believing.
It is just like an unicorn, I must see to believe.

>>66835286

This.
Arabic influence is minor.
Memes aside, that's why it is a easier language to pronounce.

>>66835559
>Implying Google translator translates that well

Si tu ne veux pas croire qu'il y a des américains qui veulent apprendre et parler des langues étrangères je ne peux rien faire

>>66835602
Portuguese is most definitely not easier to pronounce than Spanish.

We have like 17 different vowel sounds to their 6.

Consonants are about the same, but they can't say "lh", and we can't say their "J" too well.

>>66828479
Not as moorish as I had imagined.

>>66835633
Only 5 vowels. That's why Castilian is superior to other romance languages

>>66835621

Sorry, It is just the Americans that I've met; even in higher social position, spoken nothing but English. Literally, nothing. May be in online conference, personally, even in many business meetings; all in English.

But that may be because your language conquered the world, giving you a comfort position of not learning another languages. I've learnt because it was almost mandatory in my job.

>>66835684
Don't you differentiate between i and y?

We have a,e,i,o,u,â,ê,ô,ã,õ, a mute "e" at the end of words, and a bunch of those are duplicated (the a in "Gato" and "Sal" is slightly different, with the latter being made futher back in the mouth, even though people aren't aware of it and do it unconsciously), as well as a few other specificities.

>>66835722
>>66835712
>>66835684
guys,/thread

>>66834336
>we are headstrong and no-nonsense

That's what people say to pass off their thuggishness as a good thing

>>66835712
>But that may be because your language conquered the world, giving you a comfort position of not learning another languages. I've learnt because it was almost mandatory in my job.
ding ding ding ding

>>66835633

Yeah, point taken.
I've expressed myself wrongly.
I meant it is more pleasant to speak.
Foreign have a hard time learning Portuguese, specially the folks who speak Spanish.

>>66835722
Y is more used as a consonant than as a vowel. When is a vowel is basically the same as i.

>>66835712
I mean, I understand.
Americans are extremely stupid, even when we travel, we are seen as idiots.
Luckily my family isn't American, so that's why I'm not white so that helps.

But I understand your point, and it's actually quite funny.
I actually want to leave this country as well, I'm allergic to stupidity.

>>66835757
and even if they manage to speak portuguese,they can only go with br portuguese,since it's simpler and easier.No wonder why,br portuguese was molded by immigrants that went to brazil and they brought their linguistic terms from germany/italy to brazil

>>66835801
Not as idiots,not as stupid but obnoxiously ignorant

>>66835740
no thats called having a backbone

>>66835740
I guess, but we're really not aggressive or imposing. We are a peaceful bunch. Think Ron Swanson. Except more farmer and less carpenter.

>>66835757
Speaking Spanish is tiresome to me. Maybe because I'm not used to it, but it takes a lot of effort to open my mouth so much. Maybe they have to repeat themselves a lot less, though.

>>66835814
Brazilian is probably closer to XVIII century Portuguese than Euro Portuguese is. Smaller countries mutate their language faster. Same happened with English and Spanish.

More gaita please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JHU2oGx0sE

>>66835801

I don't see Americans as stupid.
You guys work hard, and pretty smart on what you dedicate on.
Otherwise, you wouldn't be the wealthiest nation.
It is just, you look a bit too arrogant and obnoxious when meeting foreign; that's why the fame I guess.

>>66835871
>I guess, but we're really not aggressive or imposing. We are a peaceful bunch. Think Ron Swanson. Except more farmer and less carpenter.
90% of his experience with Portuguese will have come from 2nd or 3rd generation Azoreans. They can be uncouth at times. Fairly normal working class people, I'd say.

>>66835909
That's Mirandese (offshoot of Leonese), not Portuguese.

>>66835934
I meant stereotypically and in an exaggerated manner to help highlight our differences from the rest of the Med countries.

We still get drunk and tell jokes and whatnot.

>>66835967
Since when are mirandeses not considered Portuguese?

And yes, I know that Portuguese are more inclined towards melancholy rather than the stereotype applied to the Mediterranean generally. Pessoa's work is full of it.

>>66835871
Are you retarded?
You're telling me the rural people in portugal lost their accent?
And you're going to tell me american english is the old english?

>>66835814

Hold your horses.
Brazilian Portuguese is quite hard and confusing. First, because of the slang; do you know how many of them we have? Also, how frequently we use them? Well, we have much and use it a lot. And it will depend on the region.
So, the formal language is very difficult. Mexicans had a hard time learning it, as I could see.

>>66836004
Astur-leonese is not portuguese.

>>66835967
gaita-de-foles is a Trás-os-Montes thing

>>66836042
That's not what I said, though. I didn't suggest that the Mirandese language was the same as Portuguese. I said (or rather implied) that the mirandeses themselves are Portuguese, which they are.

>>66836034
kek,you want to compare your slangs to ours?

>>66836004

the language isnt Portuguese. It is Astur-Leonese. Asturias is the only place with an important number of speakers nowadays.

>>66836004
>>66836045
>>66836057
I meant the language they are singing in, since we were talking about languages. Obviously they are still Portuguese, from Miranda do Douro, in trás os Montes.

The gaita de foles is a Galician thing, actually. or a Celtic thing, to be more precise. In Portugal only Trás-os-montes kept it as a regional ex-libris, but Minho and as far down as Coimbra have Gaitas-de-foles to some extent.

>>66836015
No, rural people developed their accent to what it is now.

There's really no telling which landed farther away, just that it's more probable that Brazilian changed less because it has more inertia.

TV changed it a bit.

>>66836063
They have a lot more, mate. Their country is fucking huge, and has a lot of regions populated by non-Portuguese, like Italians, Germans and freed slaves.

>>66836004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b-RehmqZUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PogZXMGax8

portugal is melancholic as fuck

>>66836101
>Galician thing
I meant the old Galaecia pre-roman kingdom, not the "current" one.

>>66836128
I was just about to take issue with that, because it sounded like you were suggesting there's a clear demarcation between the traditions of modern Galicia and modern Northern Portugal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvjSHuBPtfQ

>>66836101
Anyway,that theory has been disproved already.
Their accent was molded by italians,germans,niggers,chinks,tupi,etc
There are so many accents in brazil.can you tell me which one qualifies as the old portuguese one?

>>66836124
Anything a little more folksy like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI7lmfOeUlM

>>66836063

Well, that would be nice what kind of then you use the most?

>>66836154
stop molding galician and north portugal culture.
north portugal has more ''culture'' than galicia which was destroyed by the castillians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbNMOL864v0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQuYePHF0c

>>66833009
Lel, gonna use this next time I see that Portuguese weab poster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkB6pdNBtF4

>>66836154
Ethinicity, Culture, Linguistic, Political and Geographical borders don't always match, no.
But in a board of pedants I felt like the correction was needed.

>>66836205
Not completely true. The language was fucked up, but cultural ties are still strong.

>>66836205
I'm not. I'm saying there isn't a clear beginning or end between the north and Galicia. There are traditions that cross the border and which cannot be properly described as specifically and uniquely "Galician" or "northern Portuguese". The gaita is an example of this, as is trovadorismo.

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>>66836223
me?

>>66836248
>Spain grabs the name derived from Hispania, despite not having ALL of Hispania
>Galicia grabs the name derived from Gallaecia, despite not having ALL of Gallaecia
>Portuguese grab the prefix derived from Lusitania, despite not having ALL of Lusitania
>spend every conversation having to separate it for pedants

I'm a pedant too, but sometimes it gets tiresome.

>>66836268
Como é que chamas a uma Geisha com bigode?

>>66836093
My mother is from that region and that is Mirandês! It's a language that people from some villages in PLanalto MIrandês speak but it's almost dead. Btw That was a celtic region and you find it in their culture.

>>66836298
A tua mãe de quatro com as tetas a bater no chão.

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>>66836319

>>66836298
One of those is easy to fix: Portugal + "Spain" = Hispania

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQLIpeV0p2g
SHOULD MUSLIMS VOTE FOR TRUMP???

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>>66836352
600 years and you still haven't taken the hint.

>>66836352
Portugal+Gibraltar+Andorra+Espanha=Peninsula Ibérica

>>66836352
Yeah? Try to explain to an American if a Portuguese is "Hispanic".

The other ones should also only be Galiza+North of Douro and South of Douro + Spanish Estremadura (since we also have a Estramadura).

>>66836318
Almost dead here too. Some speakers in isolated and mountainous parts of Leon, Asturias, Zamora and Extremadura.

>>66836381
South Douro is the land between Douro and Tajo? Well, then it would be only Cáceres and Salamanca.

>>66836370
Aljubarrota is the past.

>>66836478
Spiritually, it isn't.

>>66836478
>South Douro
I meant the part of Portugal below the Douro (down to the Algarve) + part of Spain's Extremadura.

See? It's insane.

>>66828479
Portuguese girls are disgusting.
Portuguese guys are kinda cute, though.

>>66835712
>your

>>66836574
Those sentences explain Brazil's demographic origins.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-JRPwabObw

It makes me nostalgic bros

>>66836502
Well, that's a huge portion of land

>>66836487
Bullshit. Portugal-Spain is only visible in football. Also true that the average spaniard know nothing about Portugal, only women with moustaches and towels.

>>66836659
cringe...
for me,this is portuguese soul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffGX--ouN9g

>>66836665
*rivalry

>>66836665
Why do Spaniards still wave towels at the Portuguese? Don't they realize how racist they're being?

>>66836665
Go ask the average Portuguese if he'd be willing to see his country absorbed by Spain. Even if it were proven beyond doubt that Portugal would benefit enormously from such a union, most Portuguese would be opposed to it as a matter of national pride. Aljubarrota, the Restoration War, and the Peninsular War exist in spirit even if the average Portuguese can't articulate that fact.

>>66836665
I'd say we're still dismissive and distrustful of Spaniards.

Although we don't really have anyone else to complain about.

You guys have France, and France always wins the battle of hated neighbour.

>>66836686
I know that cunt on the left guitar. and the guy to the right of the singer.

>>66836686
Tras-os-montes folk music is far more antique than fado and is pure portuguese! More antique than the introduction of catholic religion. People from outside Lisbon don't have a real connection with fado.

>>66836700
Portuguese people don't care about spain at all,that's why 95% of our population is in the coast.
There's not rivalry,like you said,it's only a football thing.

>>66836741
this is not fado,it's just a fucking serenade/ballad.the portuguese guitar isn't always fado for fuck sake

>>66836741
>People from outside Lisbon don't have a real connection with fado.
>Lisbon
>Fado

True fado is from Coimbra, mate. Lisbon has nothing on Carlos Paredes. And it has the particularity of being uniquely Portuguese, whereas Tras-os-Montes folk music is shared with other celtic-influenced countries, in a way.

>>66836773
>This is not Fado
What? That IS true Fado. Fado Estudantil.

>>66836748
WTF people don't live in the coast because of Spain. And yes, Estremadura is fucking empty. I have gone to Lisbon once by car and there are more cork trees than villages.

>>66836719
>>66836735
And union with autonomy I don't think could be considered as an absorption, conquest or submission.

>>66836903
>And union with autonomy I don't think could be considered as an absorption, conquest or submission.
Right. We fell for that once, and you started getting funny with the Hapsburgs.

We're fine with trade deals.

>>66836903
I think you guys should aim for controlling your autonomous regions a little better...
Catalunya didn't like this latest government formation you guys did

>>66836966
The reason why the Union weakened was because they were intentions of centralization

>>66837030
I know. Meaning I don't trust the eternal Spaniards, well intentioned as they are now, because eternity is a long time.

We're fine on our little insular country.

>>66836999
I propose sth different for Catalonia and other regions... own laws, own fiscal system. Sth similar of what existed before 1713

>>66837105
So we'd only share a ruler. Your king.

Fuck that.

The only terms we agree with would be independence of all the 3 or 4 states of the Iberian peninsula, but then you just get a blakanised Spain, which is the opposite of a union.

Probably for the better.

>>66837140
A decentralized Union

No, this can only work with different rulers. Composite monarchy will only lead to centralization.

>>66837191
I also like to dream about being a fucking super hero

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>>66836903
>And union with autonomy I don't think could be considered as an absorption, conquest or submission.
Sweet words but don't expect people to take that proposal seriously. The only reason Portugal isn't in Catalonia's place right now is because one man - the Conde-duque de Olivares - made the decision to suppress their rebellion instead of the Portuguese. That's it. If he made the reverse decision the Portuguese identity would be in an incomparably worse state than it is now.

Redpill me about northern Portugal. How comfy is it? How's the climate and the geography like? Is the countryside a good place to live after retiring?

>>66837372
Green, rainy, quiet. There's a few gems like Gerês (which I didn't even know about until a PT anon on /pol/ brought it to my attention) which you should look into.

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>>66837432
>green, rainy, quiet

Sounds perfect to me. I'll look into Gerês, thanks.

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>>66837493
Wew. Always thought Portugal was just rolling plains and hills. Didn't know there were so many mountains and valleys.

>>66830028
>São Paulo
>Not spelling the paulista strong "R"
Actually it would go more like "Bati forti u tamboRRRR"

>>66829941
I love the sound of German tbqh

>>66828479
Holy shit, not a single one of those is above 2/10!!! How come that?

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>>66828785
you right tho'

>>66837581
Yeah. While we don't have many high mountains, they are all pretty steep