Int, why do we have right wing renaissance worldwide? Trump and

People are mad at the state of their nation and since the leftists are in charge they think the right has solutions, which they don't.

Everyone's lagging behind us, we voted right for the first time in like 50 years and that just made everything oh so much worse.

Nationalism replaced religion as the opiate of the masses, which was then in turn replaced by consumerism. Now we're going back to nationalism, it's the convoluted circle of life

It's indeed happening. The left became quite tyrant forcing their ideals for some time. There are like 100 genders now.

the fire rises

>>66806005
>The left became quite tyrant forcing their ideals for some time. There are like 100 genders now
It's only in the West, but we see right wing renaissance worldwide.
>>66805936
What do you mean? I've heard your economy is thriving now.
>>66805959
Religion should be next according to you, not the nationalism.

>>66805897
right wing parties in South America are completely different right wing populism in Europe. For example, Macri would probably be considered a pro-Europe liberal conservative here.

>>66805897
It's the cycle of most nations
>start as a poor cunt
>vote conservative to get the country on it's feet
>become successful
>become decadent
>become weak and naive
>vote left
>things are great at first
>welfare gets drained
>leeching hordes move in
>country goes to shit
>vote conservative
>repeat

>>66805897
it never went away in italy

>>66806126
Religion is already proven to be not working. There are still people who think nationalism is working and globalism is bad.

>>66805959
>>66806197
>muh circle
this is the first time in history that we're being invaded by shitskin immigrants and it's an irreversible thing, there is no cycle, just before and after the "enrichment".

>>66806352
Rome would beg to differ

>>66806378
shitaly has always been shit

>>66806239
from what I can tell most politicians are staunchly anti nationalism.

Even confiscating their own country's flags on occasion

>>66806400
t. Butthurt mud hut vs Coliseum

>>66805936
>he thinks "leftists" did this

Yeah tell me Reinfeldt isn't a fucking neo-liberal who thinks immigration is a great way to create a new underclass of cheap labour which will undermine the unions, the welfare state and put the corporations into an even more powerful position.

>>66806421
Shitalians have shit skin, it's a fact. Maybe they always had. So invasion from the middle east and africa is less noticeable than it is here.

>>66806485
Rome was mostly invaded by Germanics

>>66806197
It's not a cycle, it's a pendulum. It swings to the left to the right and vice versa but the whole pendulum is moving to the left constantly. For example, Trump would be considered very liberal 30-40 years ago - not a real racist, has nothing against gays etc.

>>66806542
This is a good point

>>66806515
well if you think everything will be fine because "lol Rome" you go right ahead, I think it's a very strange way of thinking

>>66805897
Pendulum swings back and forth, every progressive or traditionalist movement only swings it away from equilibrium.

Impetus leading to the momentum propelling the pendulum leads to it swinging far past any reasonable point and into the extreme we were 1 political generation removed from. Lather rinse repeat everyone loses

>>66806571
>if you think everything will be fine
I'm saying the exact opposite
Look at Rome today, and Europe in the middle ages

>>66806515
It wasn't really invaded. Hunns invaded, but most of barbarians just actually settled in roman territories and become Romanized very fast. Rome failed because of civil wars in second century and change of social formation to feudalism.
>>66806352
It's kind of pendulum too. You guys butthurted about Slavs at first, than about Africans, now about Arabs. As soon as old group integrates you always find a new one.
And India barely has any immigration, yet votes for right wingers, as well as Latin America. Arabs don't have serious immigration but there are islamists all over the place.

The babyboomers and hippies are getting old, so the next generation takes over. And they see the mess the last generation left behind.

>>66806542
>it's a pendulum
i agree but id like to add that the whole "pendulum is moving to the left constantly" thing gets reset in times of crisis

>>66806615
>Europe in the middle ages
Well, serfdom was better than slavery. 70-80% of population of Roman Empire were slaves, and being serf is better because serf is little more than walking tool. Also it's an idiocy to compare slaver society with capitalism.

>>66806793
And the ones prior thought the same thing...

What a tired meme. You do realize that the years before the baby booms were 2 largest global wars in history and the largest global economic depression ever?

How does the current mess or the post dot.com boom mess compare?

>>66806875
The world wars destroyed the European colonial empires.
The baby boomers destroyed the integrity of the European nations for future generations.

I can't say which one is worse.

>>66806764
>You guys butthurted about Slavs at first, than about Africans, now about Arabs. As soon as old group integrates you always find a new one.
we are still butthurt about all groups even slavs because slavs
1) dook our jerbs
2) do lots of crime

>>66806954
Now we're in a state of constant conflict within our own society with minorities.

>>66806793
Not really. Hitler was a leftist compared to 19th century German monarchists - he wasn't a huge fan of church, he thought government should be active in the economy, allowed women to work etc.
>>66806793
How does it matter? They had become old long time ago, in 80s-90s. And old people nowadays seem to be conservative mostly, look at Brexit where mostly old people voted to leave.
>mess
Europe not waging a war for 70 years is not a mess, lol, as well as creation of EU, high level of liberty etc. Europe before 60s was pretty shitty place to live, and world at all was too.

>>66806954
This so completely bullshit, you can read back through modern history and it's the same story of blaming the generation before them

There are always going to be problems facing humanity's present it takes a combination of conceit and naivety to hold that view point.

>>66807111
That doesn't mean it isn't true. The next generation can see the consequences of the decisions the generation before them have made. And the baby boomers have been exceptionally selfish and destructive.

This generation is going to pay for the debts of the former generation, the pensions, the houses, the migrants, the usage of our natural resources, while they haven't invested in a better future for us.

You know, at least the world wars were a personal sacrifice with the goal to make a better Germany for future generations.
You can't say the same for the baby boomers who seemed to put their own selfish interests and the interests of non-Dutch people first.

>>66806954
>destroyed the European colonial empires.
>it was bad
Lol. You spent a lot of money for colonies, making lifes of people there real hell with little payback, that's why colonial system was dismounted.
>integrity of the European nations
Nation states haven't worked by natural reason. In a global world where corporations and so are global there is no point to have wars and serious competitions between nations, it gives no profits and creates problems for business. So after that nations have started to fall apart, people started moving worldwide etc.

>>66807285
Colonialism wasn't sustainable. That's true. But before WW2 we were already shifting to a post-colonial age, as we were trying to educate Indonesians. But the German and Japanese intervention abruptly stopped that process. And a lot of chaos ensued.

>In a global world where corporations and so are global there is no point to have wars and serious competitions between nations
The Netherlands has been run by corporations for centuries.
We were neutral in WW1 and WW2 for a reason.

>>66807263
My point is there will always be problems and they will almost always be due to those who preceded you. There are so many articles going back even to the 19th century spitting the same bullshit in this thread about how the last generation was just the woooorst because x and y and had it so much easier because ___.

We definitely have our problems to deal with because of the follies of those before us and we are actively creating and ignoring the problems we are creating for our children and I think we can all identify a few.

People fucking suck overall, I suck, you suck, we're gonna make problems. What is the point of this pity party of acting like we have it so much worse than every previous generation, just like every generation did?

>>66807285
>So after that nations have started to fall apart, people started moving worldwide etc.
That's where you're wrong. You can't just move here without the permission oft he locals.
Before WW2 we had racial migration laws, but the fact we had to pull back out of colonies meant we had to let Dutch people, mixed people and pro-Dutch Indonesian soldiers and politicians in.

This was a good decision. But the decision to continue this policy and let Africans in, and especially Islamic ones, was a terrible and unnecessary decision. And denying the problem for decades was even worse because we've seen the effects for many decades now and still nothing has happened. And that's their fault.

Majority of voters don't remember world wars or the impact of nationalism and fascism. Compare the situation in Spain, where people remember Franco and there's a sudden emergence of populist left wing parties, with somewhere like France that has been fairly centrist since the 50s

>>66807263
>baby boomers have been exceptionally selfish and destructive.
Lol. First of all, problems you face now is a meme compared to world wars, cold war, struggles of monarchists and republicans.
And all you fucking westerners can't explain why do we face right wing renaissance worldwide, not only in the Europe and the West. India, Russia, Arab world, Latin America. We all didn't have baby boomers in the Western way yet we have the same problem of right wingers taking major position in political life.

>>66807456
Cold war was comfy AF for the west though

>>66806764
>India

Well India already has thousands of ethnic grozps in ots borders any kind of immigrant would just be one new cult or group among many.

They have the great hindu muslim conflict tho, Hindus want more power and fear being outbred after not really controlling their country since the marathanas fell.

Good for them I guess.

>>66807456
The difference is most of those problems weren't by our own doing.

Not to mention nothing happened here in the cold war despite an arms race, we were neutral in WW1 and we haven't had monarchist/republican problems in 450+ years.

>>66807431
If Franco wouldnt have gone all retarded with his catalan chauvinism and respected the smaller languages, would he be more liked today?

>impact of nationalism
Tbh there are absolutely horrible examples but also positive ones like kemal amd the like.
Most of our first democratic movements where nationalistic but people tend to forget this as it doesnt fit the historical narrative.

>>66807456
Dude literally thinks because he can't get a top 10% job he's stuck with so much bullshit when the generation before saw their cities reduced to rubble, millions die, rations, etc. Then the generation before that was living on streetcorners unemployed because of major worldwide depression

The kid is a coddled naive little child that wants to complain about how shit his life is when he's got it better than 90% of humanity

>>66807111
Eh, the 68ers where the generation whose birthrate fell under replacement and who flirted with communism despite the horrible example of it bwhind the wall, thus biasing our media for them to this day.
Its true tho that every generation fucks up in some way, still NOT being mad about these problems makes you not tend to them or remember hos they were caused.

>>66807431
>there's a sudden emergence of populist left wing parties
Seriously? You don't have that right wing populists? Cool. What's going on in Spain?
>world wars
But can a nationalism, and moreover, the right wing ideas to be livable in modern world, if they are directly contradicting interests of global corporations, interests of world economy etc? I mean, countries with right wingers in charge would stand still while others would go forward.
>>66807425
Well, it happened everywhere in Europe because European economy was thriving and needed more people. It has also happened, but in a smaller scale, worldwide by the number of other reasons: transnational corporations have become and started moving goods, people and resources worldwide. That's why tons of different trade agreements appeared after 50s and immigration laws become less strict. Btw in Europe since 90s immigration laws are becoming more and more strict. As the economy boom stopped you didn't need so much people anymore so you were tightening the laws. It's way more difficult to move to Europe now than it was in 90s.

>>66807581
>generation before.
Generatoon before werent the guys who fougjt in the war, it were their children experiencing great prosperity and peace in the west like us.

>>66807581
I'm actually quite successful and financially independent as an entrepreneur.
But if you just run the numbers the decisions the generation before us made don't make any sense in hindsight. They were just riding the wave avoiding every touchy subject and pushed all problems forward for future generations to solve.

We are now investing in green energy, housing and addressing the migrant issues, cutting on welfare, but all those issues could also have been addressed 30 years ago.

>>66807425
>can't just move here without permission of locals
>moves into other parts of the world without permission of locals to take their coffee
???

>>66807694
Depends how you define right wing.
Japan is rightwinged as fuck in comparison to us but their only problem is that they dont make children because its so comfortable not to.

There are many shades of right and left, some nativism should be possible in the 21th century espeacially if you are a very specialised market that does not need much import of "human ressources" like denmark fkr example.

>>66807717
> the decisions the generation before us made don't make any sense in hindsight

This is exactly the point I'm making. Hindsight is 20/20. We're making big mistakes now too... You touch on many of them later in your comment but ignore many overlooked ones. And there definitely are issues we aren't even aware are unfolding before our eyes.

It's too easy to reflect and criticize the mistakes of the past and it's so difficult to address and anticipate the mistakes of the future

>>66807763
That's the law of the jungle.

>>66807763
Do you wanna make him feel guilty for his nation acting in its interest?
May be backhanded yes, but the principle behind why it was good for them doesnt change just because they violated it themselves for someone else.

Its not an argument but whataboutism.

>>66807528
>Hindus want more power and fear being outbred
Meh, that's a poor explanation. Hindus birthrates don't really differ from Muslim ones. Hindus nationalists don't like and attack Christians too btw despite the latter are pretty irrelevant group in India.
>>66807545
You don't live in isolated world, and trends in countries surrounding you were influencing you and echoing in your country, especially if you are a small country like Netherlands. And they all had world wars, great depression, revolutions and wars all the XIXth century etc.
>>66807571
>kemal
Well, he was nationalist, but he was progressive. I mean, his accomplishments stemmed mostly from secularism, bringing the education and creating economy, not from genociding Greeks and so.

>>66807843
Im saying he needs to find a different principle instead of committing doublethink in his post. If he instead just said "I dont like brown people" i wouldn't have criticized.

>>66807788
That's true. And the people who rule now and don't act on the problems that we can already anticipate will probably end up being frowned upon in the future as well.

>>66805897
Trump is not right-wing

Nationalists are not right-wing, nationalism is an anti-traditional force.

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>>66805897
Theresa May seems more left-wing than David Cameron. I mean, Cameron was more liberal but more economically right-wing.

>>66807903
It wasn't. Back in the days it was physically impossible to move here for non-white people.
And we still can make it impossible if we so desire. Although the there is now a lack of will.
The fact that we could force ourselves on them despite their wishes doesn't change that.

>>66805897
>Islamists chimping out all over the MENA.

And across europe. That's why there's so much right wing momentum everywhere else. Because muslims are chimping out, and leftists are defending them, so naturally, people are becoming more right wing.

It's always Islam.

It's always the Russians who use logic in these kinds of threads while the rest just memes. Kinda weird honestly

>>66805897

You'll notice that whenever there's a push from the far left, or Any authoritarian force for that matter, you'll notice there's an equal yet opposite reaction.

As for what's going on? Chaos, m8.

Absolute chaos

>>66805897
Mexico might be an exception, given our own particular history (a 20th century regime brought about by the Mexican revolution and its ideals) nationalism trends strongly left in oposition to a traditionally pro-American right wing. Regardless of the results in the coming American election there will definitively be a backlash to Trump's rethoric, especially given weariness with the war on drugs and anti-Mexican stances in the US. Unfortunately, and I say this as a leftie myself, we don't have good options on that front with a Chavez style personality cult having hijacked our left wing oposition.

People are tired of all the greed that has prevented economic growth from trickling down and of government incompetence and corruption, a bad economic scenario would certainly make things unsustainable.
We might go old school pseudo-commie soon enough.

>>66807942
Well, economy is only a part of the whole political position.
>>66807717
>green energy, housing and addressing the migrant issues, cutting on welfare, but all those issues could also have been addressed 30 years ago
I don't see you solve them now. I mean, I haven't seen western countries who have solved these problems, except, maybe green energy being a bug thing now. You have made your immigration laws more tight but you have many immigrants already, and I haven even heard about housing and welfare issues solved anywhere in the West. Well, maybe France and Britain are okay with integration, Brits did Brexit etc but others suck balls.

>>66807900
Its not, hindu birthrates are falling, muslim dont do as much.
Ofc they hate christians as these aggressivly proselytize which is seen as a foreign attack on their country.
A deep rooted mistrust since the mughals wanted to destroy hinduism and the british dreamed of a christian india, producing literature made to discredit the native religions while trying to educate native elites as christians.

Also nobody wants american proddyniggers founding jesuscults in your countryside.

>but he was progressive
Duuuude check out the spring of nations in europe, nationalism begun as a movement in favour of secularism so of course most of its proponements, be it arab baathists, gaullists or the kuomitang-while varring wildly in their extend of authoritanism and religious questions-had an overally progressive and laizist message in comparison to the theocrats and feudalists.

>>66808199
>he doesnt know the Netherlands is going to MH17 the Russian economy

http://www.shell.com/media/news-and-media-releases/2015/shell-to-install-nationwide-network-hydrogen-vehicle-fuelling-pumps-germany.html

>>66808199
We're now working on tax reforms and reforming pretty much all our social laws. But its a work on progress.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-king-willem-alexander-declares-the-end-of-the-welfare-state-8822421.html

>>66806475
>le neo-liberal maymay
Are you gonna talk about the bourgeoisie too?

>>66808017
They are following the major shift. Islamists became active in Europe only with all this ISIS shit, since a few years ago. They are also a very minor political force, neonazi tier. Also Latin America had no interaction with Muslims at all, not talking about islamists, yet they face the same process.
>muslims are chimping out, and leftists are defending them
Leftists defend freedom of religion, not Muslims. And not leftists, but a liberals, leftists are mostly secularists. Lol, mayor of London is Pakistani yet supports gay marriage. And no one in the West sympatizes to islamists, the latter are ultraconservative movement which has no support from any side, right or left.

>>66808017

>leftists defend them

Rojava would disagree with you on that

The left became victim of their own success.

They achieved everything they set out to do.

Now all that is left for them is minority politics.

Which pisses off the majority and rightfully so.

Now everything has to be torn down, so it can be built back up again.

It's theee citcle of life.

>>66808693
Liberals defend freedom of medieval brainwashing.

A true leftist fights religion and especially Islam.

Both Marx and Lenin specifically called out Islam as the enemy of the left.

>>66808829
>#notallleftists

>>66808829
This is what I am talking about. Average pol user doesn't recognize the difference between leftists and liberals. For example, many western leftists are fighting islamism in Rojava now.
>>66808774
Maybe it's true in Europe. But we see it worldwide while there are tons of things which could be fixed by the left wingers. I mean, here in Russia we have a nude capitalism with no welfare and so but we have this right shift here too. Same goes to Arabs, Indians etc.

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they showed us that extremes are always without exception awful

like I used to be so idealistic that I thought all of this left politics was utopian, but when it's actually put into practice you just end up seeing lazy cunts riding on the backs of the able-minded, and people actually fighting and lobbying for law that is based around the way it makes people feel and not justice or reason.

I mean I didn't think the Bush years were good, but we've rubber banded and ended up in this weird race baiting transgender dystopia without any real benefit. People are still obese, the infrastructure is still in disrepair, the education and job system is failing, and despite all of this we're opening the flood gates to any Nigerians and Bangladeshis who want to come live here. That's aside from the ten million people who live here illegally, the media insists they're NOT CRIMINALS regardless of how their being here impacts American workers and their wages and labor rights.

I just think that is what happened. The left pulled too far and now everybody hates them.

don't think you get it. Hillary is absolutely going to win regardless of what you think about her. And only countries in europe that are truly right wing are eastern european shitholes

>>66808650
No, I wouldn't. Are you saying Reinfeldt was a leftist? It was his politics that opened the flood gates. Something Carl Bildt made possible in the early 90s after he overruled Ingvar Carlsson's "Luciabeslutet". Reinfeldt contributed way more than pretty much any other politician to ruining our political climate.

>>66809288
Yes, I'd say he was a socialism-shilling leftist.

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>>66809313
Oh, so you're a fucking retard. Okay, I'm sorry I wasted my time.

>>66809367
Not an argument.

>>66809133
>nude capitalism with no welfare
Isnt that more of a corruption and syndicate problem then a capitalist problem?
America and Singapore arent perfect societies but they still achieved some greater wealth without much welfarr but lots of capitalism.

Also you are wrong with arabs only recently being theocratic, the saudis have been like this for the last 500 years and they now have power in the region due to oil and thus project their power on magrehbians and mesopotanian arabs.

Rojava is a leftist posterboy but you dont see them doing much against muslim brotherhood like structures in the west which have been growing since the 90s.

>>66809288
Elaborate please. I am not into Swedish politicians but would like to know more.
>>66809155
>we're opening the flood gates to any Nigerians and Bangladeshis who want to come live here
It's a meme, USA is really difficult country to move to and this year you have even banned Nigeria in DV lottery which is the main way to come to USA.
Also Bush was a real moron in my opinion, Obama is way better. He has fixed your economy at least.
>>66809244
USA and Europe are only a part of my question. I am actually more interested to know why is it happening everywhere. Americans are simply tired of Obama, Europe was rulled by the left wingers since 70s (with exceptions like Thatcher of course) so they are just tired too. But what's with Russia, India, Arabs, many others?

>>66809890
Actually Austria had a right wing coalition in the 00s.

They are the ones that imported 30.000 chechens which were the worst group of people until 80.000 Afghans invaded last summer.

Now they stab each other in parks, subway stations and other public places, when they are not busy playing sharia police, raping 70 year old women or foreign exchange students.

>>66809890
>arabs
living in theocratic poor shitholes. Some are rich I suppose, but the younger and well educated people are already much more liberal than their leaders. Any real rebellion is supressed because usa is usually allies with the current leaders, or has already fucked up the country beyond saving
>russia
us becoming more right wing is a reaction to the west increasing liberalization, just another scapegoat so putin and co. can control us more. our education system is pretty good so I don't think many vatniks will exist in maybe 30 years

The internet happened, and I don't imply that 4chan or /pol/ has made a lick of difference.
People consume media in a completely different manner than ever before and it has created a new mindset.

>>66809564
>greater wealth without much welfarr but lots of capitalism
Well, our problems stem both from capitalism and corruption. Our nude capitalism combines both, eradicating one would improve the situation significantly.

>Also you are wrong with arabs only recently being theocratic, the saudis have been like this for the last 500 years and they now have power in the region due to oil and thus project their power on magrehbians and mesopotanian arabs.

Well, I am int level expert on MENA affairs and I would dare to say I know something about that region. I made few lections on int about the issue, but a long story short political islam became major political power only in 70s. Saudis were not the least but weren't also the major force in this process. It happened because arab nationalism and leftism which both were the major political forces among arabs before have discredit themselves because of defeat in a five day war and their economical policies which were total fail. But the major political islam chimpout happened few years ago, after Arab spring and destruction of Iraq by Americans. There was also chimpout in Maghreb in 90s but it was defeated by Algeria and now Maghreb is pretty okay 2bh. Also 500 years ago Saudis were just a rich clan in Arabian peninsula ruled by Turks.

>>66809890
Reinfeldt was the leader of the swedish Moderate Party (our cons, basically) and prime minister between 2006 and 2014. At the start of his term it was decided that the moderate party would recieve the support of the green party for their budget and in exchange would be adopting the green party's immigration politics (that by extension became the politics of the moderates). The Green Party which, in 2006, recieved 5,2% of the national vote and is pro-mass immigration. Reinfeldt then pushed these mass immigration policies into the mainstream for the 8 years he was PM. After Sweden made it out relatively unscathed from the financial crisis in 2008, the media hailed Reinfeldt and his minister of finance as geniuses. Falsely, I might add, because Reinfeldt and his buddy's plan to avoid a crisis of our own consisted of privatising (ie selling) several state run monopolies and companies. Ontop of that they relied a lot on the safety measures put in place by the previous social-democratic minister of finance and laterprime minister after the swedish recession of the 90s. The social democrats which in the late 80s passed a bill that declared that Sweden would not accept more than the refugee quotas from the EU in order to protect the welfare state.

TL;DR: neo-liberal leader of the cons pushed mass immigration politics as a way to maintain his power, letting politics that originally weren't supported by more than 5% of the pop take over mainstream media and ruin our climate for public debate for a decade.

>>66810237
Mh I agree with you.
But peninsula arabs were never secular was what I was saying, baathism only took off in the levant and the magrehb.
So they never got more "rightwinged" in anyway while you can speak of such a developement in the rest of the muslim world as you explained quiet well tho.

>>66810326
>The social democrats which in the late 80s passed a bill that declared that Sweden would not accept more than the refugee quotas from the EU in order to protect the welfare state.
A bill that was turned over during the moderate party's brief stay in government in the mid 90s by Reinfeldt's predecessor, Carl Bildt.

Forgot to add that

The "populist right" is in many cases a populist left.
The reason why populists are on the rise is because of lack of new political ideas and centrism has created a political class that is far too homogenous to be representative.
The paradigm of capitalism, democracy and liberalism (left and right) has remained unchallenged for too long.
People feel railed into a future not of their choosing. So they vote for political diversity.

I don't agree with it, but I "get it".

>>66810380
Foes your green party also come from the 68er turnout?
Since I watched Yuri's vid I sometimes wonder if we were so retarded to come up with this all by ourselves back then or if it was some soviet shenangian to fuck us up as many green liberals had rosetinted glasses towards the redbloc.

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>>66807900
Do you wan't more examples of countries built on nationalism? Why don't you just look to your neighbout and take a hint you dumb slav.

>>66809564
>Rojava is a leftist posterboy but you dont see them doing much against muslim brotherhood
Well, what can they do about predominantly Egyptian political party? They are in Syria.
>>66810059
>30k
Well, this is a meme number but why did they do it if they were right wing?
>>66810118
>living in theocratic poor shitholes
Theocracy is a thing only in Gulf states, other arab countries aren't theocracies.
>the younger and well educated people are already much more liberal than their leaders
Youth in these states is divided. Many are liberal, and in Maghreb countries it's a biggest group among youth I would say. But there are huge rise of Islamists still, especially after Arab spring. Compared to the West, I wouldn't say that altrights are the biggest political force among youth but it's still very big. Islamists are analogue of altrights in MENA.

>>66810496
Yeah, our green party is a meme. Funny thing is that they formed government with the social democrats in 2014 and were strongarmed into accepting some of the harshest immigration laws in Europe. One of their two party leaders literally cried a bit during the press conference when they announced it.

They're hypocrites about everything from the environment to women's rights. With the way the polls are looking right now, it's possible they won't even make it into parliament in 2018 (sub-4% of the votes)

>>66809564
THe irony that western lefties don't want to face is that Kurd nationalists are in fact Nationalists and are often more conservative than regular Syrians/Iraqis. I kek when I see anarchists get a boner for them especially cause they would be viewed as nothing but scum out there

>>66808017
Ok, but what makes you think that these Islamic chimpouts aren't also a reaction themselves to previous Western chimpouts???
Don't say "it's always Islam", there are also things that naturally trigger jihadism just like jihadism naturally triggered right-wing rise in Europe.
I don't understand why you guys are always so short-sighted. When I tell anti-Muslim Americans that American imperialism killed a lot more Muslims than Islamic terrorism have killed Americans, they always whine about 9/11 and how Muslims brought this upon themselves. But in truth, 9/11 itself was a response to mainly USA blockade of Iraq in the 90's that resulted in 3 millions of people dying due to starvation.
And of course I am not saying that these terrorist attacks are justified, however, they are understable. Perhaps if I was put in the same situation that these terrorists were put into as they were kids and teenagers, perhaps I would have become a terrorist too. Of course it's not right and never justified. But I understand them as much as I understand the skyrocketing hate crimes against Muslims in UK today.

>>66805897
The constant war of ideas on social media is making everyone paranoid and angry. Paranoid and angry people tend to vote for nationalist/authoritarian parties.

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In the UK atleast, the mainstream media (All of Murdoch's new corp companies) operate on the pics principle pretty much, with the non English being the scapegoat, all of them, not just the bad apples. Hence the rise in hate crimes. The proletariat vote always swings the way of the tabloid papers, which with how close our two main parties are its enough to decide an election. Hence why Labour used to be the dominant party until the Sun newspaper switched sides for Thatcher

>>66811317
>Kurd nationalists are in fact Nationalists and are often more conservative than regular Syrians/Iraqis
Lolno, learn more about them. They repeat all the captions in Arabic, have Arab units among them and they force strict secularism. Kurds as nation are really conservative but kurdish communists are fighting with it.
>>66812549
It's wrong to blame media. Serious political shifts aren't caused by media only. Germany has mostly centrist or left wing medias yet they face huge rise of AfD. Medias have influence but it's not dominant.

If Trump wins, Obama is going to have a field day with his presidential pardons.

Snowden
Manning
Clinton (dindu nuffin)
El Chapo

This has potential.

>>66813815
Kurds have higher rates of female circumcision than anywhere else in the middle east

>all these circle of life posts

Has 4chan collectively gone fucking hindu?

The left/right dichotomy is a meme, long term historical trends point towards progress, liberalisation and globalisation through increase in trade, technology and science, all running parallel with the increase in the quality of the human condition.

In terms of percentage, the world wars were nothing compared to previous conflicts of that scale and compared to the various diseases and plagues, a large majority of which we've either eradicated or gotten rid of in another manner.

So, suck it doomfags.

>>66815130
I don't deny Kurds are extremely backwarded but their government is very progressive.

>>66815478
Read my post:
>>66806542
Also no one here can answer me why is it happening WORLDWIDE. In the West it's easily explained that people are tired of left wingers. But why is it happening in Russia? Why is it happening everywhere else?

I just hope Macri stops being a cucky PC once Trump wins. He was so fashy back then when he wasnt president

>>66815478
Yea, Polands "right wing" PIS are leftist if you ignore the nationalist tone for example.

>>66811743
You'd be pretty right about that. Our upper class politicians and CIA officers have a massive hard-on for blowing up mid-east countries and the current islamism is reactionary to that. In general, the American people don't give a shit what you do over there as long as you don't mess with us or people we like. Emphasis on the people, as our govt. and people are extremely disconnected and as time goes on this becomes more and more apparent. It's generally why "we dindu nuffin" is a seen as a valid excuse among Americans when it comes to blowing up foreign countries and toppling regimes, we genuinely don't have an idea it's going on or we are lied to in order to convince us to send our boys to war (Gulf of Tonkin, WMDs in Iraq). I really wish we stopped cosplaying as the brits and trying to play world police, but both leftists and right wingers support us playing world police and using our military in some capacity to change the world. Sorry if I rambled on a bit here

>>66815808
>PC
Never understood why do people hate it. PC is basically a culture of public debates. Why do people want to offend others that much I don't know.
>>66815833
Trump would be considered pretty left wing 30-40 years ago: no real racism, totally okay with gays. National Front in France is often called right wing while it's absolutely not true now. Old FN was right wing but modern is pro gay, strictly pro secularism, has leftist economical program with welfare state and urging domestic industry, etc. No le traditional values and christianity. Marine Le Pen has turned it into leftist party with the only right wing trait - anti-immigration stance. And all the other parties in France are not more leftist than they, FN only is called like that only because of history.

>>66805897
because delusional wankfests. the ignorant delusional shitters unironically believe they can get back some illusional nostalgic home and restart from there.

they all have just been in denial. nothing they want will ever come true except broken economy and endless shambles.

>>66815808
People complained and exagerated when he said "people shouldn't go around their houses barefoot and on t shirts in the middle of winter when the government can't guarantee the subsidization"

We are still too peronist for people to go with something that seems like fucking up their social justice.

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>>66805897
>What's going on?
reckoning
end times soon

>>66815748
>why is it happening WORLDWIDE
The whole world is connected via the internet now. Not everyone has access to it but ideas can still spread rapidly through a combination of social media and word of mouth. Paranoia can be very contagious.

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>>66805897
Gee I wonder why......

It's pretty funny that rightists think their governments are leftist.

The right is going to go full autism and bungle the economy. 10 years, 20 years max before there's a leftward swing because austerity is fucking dumb.

>>66816569
I was thinking about that too, although Internet is the "how". That's really hard to know really why while we're living it. It definitely has to do with fear and paranoia

Jews

What are the best U.S. state, for those who hate the fall and winter, and to want to live in places that are warm throughout the year?

places without any autumn and winter


without falling leaves, ice and snow.


and are warm all year round

>>66815478
>Falling for the Fukuyama meme

in times of instability and fear, people retreat into magical thinking/segregated enclaves, begging for saviors. nationalism and jingoism are dark but powerful and attractive elixirs to these people. out of the muck rise demagogues and movements that leave the people fighting among themselves. the people are begging to be put in cages.

>>66817125
People are leading increasingly isolated yet connected lives: being given constant streams of information but having little human contact (outside of work) and I think this is what is making people a bit crazy. This obviously doesn't affect everyone but the people who like to talk about their ideas at length on the internet (i.e. narrative creators) tend to be more isolated and so more susceptible to this paranoia.

>>66806542
This is true

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>>66805897
'member Reagan?

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Anger over getting cucked!