Why do people say Iranians aren't Arab? I live in LA where

>>66623780
idgaf nerd lmao

>>66623780
They look more Italian imo

>>66623780
>Why do people say Iranians aren't Arab?
They do? All I've heard people say is that we're virtually indistinguishable from Arabs.

>>66623780
They don't speak Arabic

>>66623846
Most Italians are just catholic arabs.

Iranians look like Pakis

>>66623780
>Why do people say Iranians aren't Arab?
They have an identity crisis. They're more backwards than Arabs yet want to portray to the world that they're very progressive unlike Arabs.

>>66623924
>a paki talks about anyone else being backwards

>>66623780
Japanese aren't Chinese, either

>>66623986
Well to be fair Pakistanis don't actually claim that Pakistanis are the most progressive people, unlike Iranian diaspora

>>66623924
>>66624074
they don't claim to be progressive, they claim to be the most civilised, which is true

>>66623780
>be pasty white snownigger
>everyone who isn't snownigger looks arab to me

good job!

They've have had a long history of disputes with the Arab world, they consider themselves racially and genetically separate from Arabs. Also they speak Farsi and most Iranians identify with the Persian empire of old and consider themselves Persian over Iranian

>>66624438
t. mehmet

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Iran is the best country in the world.

>>66624438
OP here. I'm actually Jewish. I can tell Arabs apart from Hispanics, but not from Iranians (if there is a difference).

>>66623780
That's like saying Englishmen are French because some look the same

>>66627660
But they are

>>66624147
Same shit different day
Iranians are by no means more ""civilized""

>>66627583
>I can tell Arabs apart from Hispanics
That's a challenge?

>>66630751
He accused me of conflating all non-white people.

>>66623780
Iranians are literal Aryans, Arabs are semites. Iranians are closer to Europeans than Arabs are.

>>66623780
the only people who say that are iranians themselves, in fact most of the time, iranians look like pakis or saudis more than other arabs

This one kid in my class named Osama is Iranian.

He changed his name to Ali (not officially, but just colloquially) because of people making fun of him for it.

He look even more Arab than I do, and I'm an actual Arab.
It's actually pretty funny. Usually I can immediately tell if someone is Arab, Paki, Persian, etc. but he slipped right under my radar.
I don't see why people have difficulty telling us apart most of the time.

honestly i cannot tell the differemce between Arabs/Persians and mediterranians

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>>66623780
They've shared a lot over the years, and they're in the dark hair, dark eyes, hairy tan skin group of peoples, so there's not much to work with on the detail.

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They look more like half Arab half Indian, rather than Arab, though.
Just look at crowd pictures.

>>66623846
Youve never met an italian.

Italians have white skin with italic features.

>>66631060
Arabs are not hairy.
I don't know where this stereotype came from. I think it's cause people confuse us with Indians and other brown people who are actually hairy.

Arabs are probably less hairy than white people.

>>66631050
you're an iranian using a proxy, you've made several iran related threads using the japanese flag including threads about speaking the language

>>66631071
Definitely.

They have Arab facial structure but very Paki hair/eyebrows.

>>66631110
''Arabs are hairy'' is a meme. The hairiest people are anatolians like armenians,turks,kurds,greeks etc.

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>>66631100
Darknhair white skin and pic related features is an italian

Theres plenty non italians in italy.

>>66631174
>The hairiest people are anatolians like armenians,turks,kurds,greeks etc.


This.

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>>66623780
heres your answer

>>66631100
Original Italians were darker.

But they got BLEACH'd with the white invasions

>>66623780
They're not constantly trying to kill each other, which probably means they're not Arabs.

>>66623780
They look like italians lel

>>66631262
t. Muhammad Khosrau Yazgerd Reza Aslan Shahanshahshahamnahanahanshanahaaaah IV

>>66631204
Italians arent anglos, inly anglos are anglo.

To me anglos arent white, only euro meds are white.

>>66631245
Original italians dna we have, the purer the italian the whiter skinned he is, he never has anglo features.

>>66623780
They're different cultures, anon

It's like saying French people are Italian

>>66631343
French people dont look italian.

>>66631298
The funny thing is that its pretty clear that you are a diaspora too.

>>66631378
I bet they do in the south.

>>66631204
>Theres plenty non italians in italy.

What the fuck are you talking about? Dark Italians are still Italian

>>66631392
t. Maz Jobrani Shahanshaahshashashashashashashashasnshashesellseashellsbytheseashore

Ok... im gonna spoonfeed it to you guys.
Arab, as being a muslim piece of shit kurdnugget.
You got it? k thx

>>66631174
I don't know, I'm Kabyle Berber and my family and me are all pretty fucking hairy.
Iranians don't look Arab to me btw. They don't look European either.
Most of them have this rather unique Persian look. Though obviously a good bunch overlap with Arabs and vice versa.

In the OP pic, the guy holding the flag has one of those unique Persian looks and I wouldn't think he was Arab. The girl in the front has a unique Persian look too.

The guy on the extreme right looks North African/Berber.
The fat guy with the dark blue shirt looks Arab to me.
The grey shirt guy with the glasses definitely looks more Persian than anything. Wouldn't think he was Arab or European.
The skinny girl in the black shirt looks pretty ambiguous. No idea what I would guess her as desu. I feel like she could tell me she was from any place around the Mediterranean (except for Spain and North Balkans) and I wouldn't be surprised. Wouldn't be surprised if she was Kashmiri too, I met a Kashmiri girl like that.
The girl with the red veil, she looks Persian but I think the way she wears her veil is making me biased. She definitely looks more Persian than Arab though.

/autism

>>66631443
t.buttblasted arab/paki

>>66623780
why do they even wear hijabs if you can plainly see their hair

>>66631341
>Italians being white is a meme

Italians claimed to be white only to gain american citizenship

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>>66631454
Why are people still talking about persia when it's been gone for like 2 millenia and expanded troughout whole middle-east?

>>66631488
Pute italians are white but what is white?
Just say Anglo.

Italians arent anglo.or Germanic, they are italic.

>>66631471
t. xerxes

>>66623780
Iranian here. It's because some Iranians (especially diasporafags) are degenerates who like to drink, sleep around, and do other haram things, and generally hate arabs and the Islamic Iranians.
It's pretty much a way for some Iranians to try to appear more western and anti Islamic by distancing themselves from arabs who are generally Islamic.

>>66631483
Because they must and they found a loophole by just wearing it but dont covering their hair entirently.

>>66631532
I dunno I just do that because there are plenty of ethnic groups in Iran.
Kurds, Assyrians, Azeris, Turkmen, Balochis, Arabs, Jews, Afghans (refugees), and others aren't included when I speak about "Persian". But they might be if I talk about "Iranian".

>>66631569
Dude you're in US. You're a diasporafag yourself.
Get real, you'd be stoned in iran.

>>66631621
I was born in the US. My family fled during the time of the Shah, not when the revolution happened. My family is super Islamic.

Judging by that pic they look more Mediterranean than the average Arab

>>66631569
So what are you trying to say? That muslims are always arabs? Even the most devout iranian would still be an iranian and not an arab because they dont speak arabic as their mother tongue.

>>66631621

You're deluded if you think people in Iran/the Arab states get stoned on the daily.
You sound like another insecure Westerner trying to reaffirm himself of how free he is.

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>>66631672
You have no idea what you're talking about, sudaca.

>>66631678
I think the problem is that there is any stoning at all.

>>66631676
No, but Islamic people (arab or iranian) generally have similar cultures. Virtually our only differences are the languages we speak, but even then we have a lot of the same words and use the same alphabet.
It's the Iranians who constantly suck western cock who say they're not Arab because they want to stereotype Arab's as the muslims, and try to paint Iranians as non islamic, as a way to differentiate themselves from Arabs.
It's pretty much Iranians who act super degenerate and party a lot, want to say that Iranians have a western culture, not a middle eastern culture, so they can fit in and be buddy buddys with white people because of identity issues.

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>>66631670
>I was born in the US.
>My family fled during the time of the Shah
>this much of a diaspora fag
>>66631678
Holy shit kid grow up. Why the fuck do you think your family left?
You ain't iranian. You've never even been to iran for fucks sake and your family left because they feared they'd get fuck'd up.
Cry me a fucking river muh heritage diaspora fag.

>>66631757
I'm not joking but I really can't tell if the people in your pic are Iranians or Mediterraneans

top kek

>>66631678
>>66631670
> Fled to the west to get away from westernization in their home country

Islamic diaspora are all cancer.

>>66631828
>>66631885
I'm not the same anon you fuckheads.

And by the way, everyone here in the U.S is a diaspora.

>>66631885
Iranian intellectuals everybody.
srsly he'd get stoned in iran just for being a fucking retard :D:D:D

>>66631885
It's ok we form our own communities here and keep to ourselves. Muslims in America get along great regardless of their sect or country. Pretty much every muslim in the US is a pan-islamist and our communities are basically one.

>>66631785
Iranians saying they arent arabs are just saying how it is. Literally every other ethnicity too would friendly correct the other person but you think that somehow iranians doing that are always also making a statement? And there are more differences than just language although im not denying the obvious similiarities.

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>>66631905
If you're born in USA and lived your life there you're a fucking murrilard.
No matter how hard you cling to your shitty muslim shit.
Go eat some fucking pork and fuck off.

>>66630986
How does he look "more arab"?

>>66631828
I'm the first anon you replied to but I it seems you think we're the same person.
If your second comment was directed at me, I've gone to Iran every summer since I was a kid, so I know exactly how it is.

>>66631988
Good for you, but you're still just a murrilard on holiday.

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>>66631878
Read the title, they're Arabs.
Pic related, famous Arab Americans.

>>66631970
Wasn't born here but lived all my life.

You can be Muslim and be a Murrilard.

I'm an Arab Muslim but I'm also 113 kg.

>>66632016
>you can't be american and adhere to your ancestral homeland at the same time

Nigga, go fuck yourself.

>>66631963
Everyone from /mena/ is basically the same race, and have virtually the same genetics and culture. That's the beauty of Islam. It unites us all.
Genetically Iranians are just as much Arab as Egyptians are, but the reason Egyptians are considered Arab is because they speak Arabic.

>>66632017
They are lebanese so they are still meds. You should have choosed a picture with gulfies on it.

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>>66623780
Why do people say English aren't Russians? I live in Chicago where there are a million Russian people, and they sure as hell look English to me

>>66632077
United in dung spreading dung genetics.

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>iranian kid i know always claiming hes white
>browner than most arabs

yall kill me with that shit

>>66632054
Why dont you fuck off to your ancestral homeland with quran tier laws babby. :D:D

>>66632084
Not even.lebanese look southern euro

>>66632084
The sudaca said "Arab", not "Gulf Arab".
If he said gulf Arab, then what he said is obvious.
Gulf Arabs aren't really genetically distinct from Levantines, but they spent millennia under the scorching Arabian desert sun, so their melanin levels adjusted accordingly.

>>66632077
>same genetics

What do you mean? In both haplomemes and autosomal dna there are differences and even the phenotypes differ a bit.

>same culture

It has similiarities mainly because of islam but saying it is the same is just desillusional

And pan-Islamism is a dumb meme.

>>66632121
Because I make a lot of dinero here.

I didn't know that was very hard to grasp.

I actually find it rather amusing how you accused me of being childish.
And yet here you are using the stereotypical
"oh yeah well y dont u go back to ur own country hehehe !! >.< XDDDD" argument.

>>66632103
Those are irish

>>66623780
They're not Arabs. They're not Arabs at all. They're culturally very different, they speak a completely unrelated language, they have a very different historical heritage, they're even religiously different since they're mostly Shi'a whereas Arabs are overwhelmingly Sunni - and that's not even getting into pre-Islamic faiths (Persian Zoroastrianism vs Arabian (or for that matter any other Semitic) Polytheism).

Are you a Tatar? I mean you're probably white looking and Tatars are kind of white looking so you're basically the same thing right?

Gulf Arabs are a tiny teeny tiny part of the Arab population.

Arabs are around 430 million in the Arab states alone.
Gulf Arabs make probably 8% of the population.

>>66632158
So you are trying to say that gulfies are just browner levantines?

>>66632210
Same shit different pile. You white folk all look through damn same

>>66623780
IRANIANS ARE NOT FUCKING WHITE HOLY SHIT

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>>66623896
delet this immediately

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>>66632269
Yep. The ones without recent west African slave ancestry.
Pic related, you can see how close Levantines and Arabians are.

>>66632328
Pakis aren't that bad looking.

You guys have their hair. I wish I had Paki hair.

>>66632296
But no one is saying this? Since when is just dont being arab being white? Arabs arent even a monolithic genetic group.

>>66632219
diasporafag detected
>completely unrelated language
is that way we use the same alphabet and a lot of words in both languages are the same?
>since they're mostly Shi'a whereas Arabs are overwhelmingly Sunni
Does that mean Arabs from the same country who are Sunni or Shia are culturally different too?
Holy shit kys you diaspora piece of shit. I bet you think the Shah was a good guy who dindu nuffin too.
>>66632296
White skinned Iranian here. I agree, we are not white, we are middle eastern. Just like Arabs are.

>>66631934
Is there a lot of inter-marriage between communities out of curiousity? Over here that seems to be the case desu.

>>66632023
Lol lose weight fatty.

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>>66632296
Iranians are the whitests of them all, along with kurds. Ar*bs and p*shtuns are not white however.

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>>66623780
Why muricans keep confusing cultural/language groups with races?

>>66632178
>And pan-Islamism is a dumb meme.
More so than pan-Europeanism or pan-Slavism or whatever?

>>66632395
Lol Pashtuns are whiter than you guys.
At least if we're talking about the exotic non-typical ones, who are the only ones that can look European to begin with.

>>66632389
If you mean is there a lot of inter-marriage between muslims from different countries within the muslim community, then yes. I currently have a thing with this Egyptian girl right now and iA we plan to get married after we are finished with university.

>>66632185
Oh and now he throws a babbyfit.
Look buddy....
>1
You're a child who cant move to iran yet.
>2
You're an idiot durka in denial.

We both know why you're still in US.

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>>66632388
>diasporafag detected
t. iranian intellectual who has been in iran for holidays

>>66632377
East African**

Arabs never took slaves from West Africa.

Europeans took West Africa while we took East Africa.
Unlike Europeans (and this is probably more fucked up) the Arab slave trade focused mainly on women.

Europeans wanted strong African males to work their plantations, but Arabs wanted housewives and maids.
Of the very few male slaves that they did take, they were neutered.

Call me a cuck for saying this, but I am definitely regretful that it happened.
I don't see why Europeans don't feel bad about their slave trade.

>>66632443
Considering that, in traditions and behavior, pashtuns are absolute backwards apes, well, they are not white.

>>66632388
Nope, I'm actually ethnically an Egyptian Jew.

Filipino uses the Latin alphabet and has a lot of words similar to Spanish but that doesn't mean they're related, much less the same thing.

>>66632429
Those are both dumb memes m8

>pan-Europeanism
the fuck is this even??? what kind of cracks are you smoking?

>>66632377
In your pic iranians are closer to turks than the other arabs. And turks are meds those that make iranians quite med looking too? I mean they cant be that "arab" either judging from their distance from the arabic groups.

>>66632445
1. I am not the Iranian anon
2. I'm both an Arab and an American
3. Yes. Dinero.

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>theres 0 middle eastern flags on this thread
>just a bunch of americans and canadians arguing who among them is most "iranian"

>>66632388
They are unrelated in the way that they have completely different roots. Of course they are many loanwords and the similiar scripture but not the same grammar,syntax,vowels and phonology. Thats what he meant with unrelated languages

>>66632488
Oh you're that butthurt Tajik. Ok.
>>66632483
No you idiot. East Africans sold you the west Africans. You didn't enslave east Africans post-islam, you enslaved west Africans.
For example, both Copts and Muslim Egyptians have some east African ancestry, but only Muslim Egyptians have any west African ancestry.
Another example, both Yemeni Jews and Muslims have a tiny amount of east African ancestry, but only Yemeni Muslims have west African ancestry, and a lot of it, while Yemeni Jews have no west African ancestry whatsoever.
Same with Iraqi Arabs vs. Iraqi Jews and Assyrians.

>>66632555
Survivorship bias, you dumbass.


Obviously on a fucking website such as this, a larger portion of the Middle Easterners you'll find are going to be those in non-M.E countries.

It's not an accurate representation of things at all. Only 3% of all Muslims currently live outside of Muslim countries.

>>66632555
Obviously I am the most Iranian. My grandma was 1/8th Persian so that makes me basically pure Aryan just like Cyrus.

I declare myself Shahanshah of this thread.

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>>66632581
>Oh you're that butthurt Tajik.
I actually am not. It's the second time you assume I am this week. Please.

>>66632603
Snake!

>>66632581
The Arab slave trade goes back to 200 BC, though.

Also, Iraqi Muslims or whatever have very little African admixture.
In Yemen, there is a lot more, but only around coastal cities in the south. There's also a lot of South Asian admixture there too.

>>66632603
>he fell for the Iranians are white meme
Iranians are middle eastern, deal with it. Now back to /pol/ with you

>>66632495
>the fuck is this even??? what kind of cracks are you smoking?
I like browsing 'other' sites a lot and I see these kind of terms pretty on often on places like SF and other similar alt-right sites desu.

I mean it could work if you erased the language, blended all the cultures into one (or under one) and just forced the populations to mix with each other.

It'd kinda like America then wouldn't it tho?

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>>66632670
dude hes obviously trolling...

>>66632670
he was joking man, why are u so autistic
this entire thread is just one big autismfest goddam

>>66632702
You'd like that huh?

>>66632704
Thanks for the (you). Now here's one for (you) too.

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>>66632670
Get this filthy barbarian out of my court!

>>66632702
Pan Europeanism makes perfect sense for white Americans, actually. But it wouldn't work with actual Europeans, Napoleon and Hitler both tried it and it didn't really end well for them.

>>66632663
Pre-Islamic slave trade contributed very little to Arab genetic make up, you didn't mix with them before Islam.
After Islam, it was the sheer scale (larger by close to a million to one factor compared to Arab slave trade before Islam), and the fact that Islam is anti-racist, that got significant west African in.

Yes the slave trade before Islam was of east Africans, Cushites I assume.
Post-Islam though, it was just west Africans, which is what I said since the start.
>>66632611
I didn't post here this week though.
And why would an Iranian be so butthurt about Pashtuns anyway?

>>66632723
see >>66632734

>>66632734
You got caught. Feel ashamed, no amount of (you) is gonna save you from this one.

most of the iranians or whatever itt look like brown baboons, they've posted their pictures before a long while back

>>66631532
"Persia" was just the name Europeans (Greeks, them Romans and finally Anglos) used to refer to Iranians. "Persia" never went anywhere, it was always Iran just referred to by an incorrect name by Europeans. Current Iranians are the direct descendants of those ancient Iranians.

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>>66632758
Heres another (you)

>>66632749
>And why would an Iranian be so butthurt about Pashtuns anyway?
I'm neither iranian or tadjik. White atheist catholicuck born and raised here.

Hi its me,the acid trip Iranian

Durkas blocked the anymeans of posting on 4chan from pc without vpn so im just gonna say:

Fuck off we are not p*gskins

And fuck that afghan canadian who says we don't speak farsi manly

don't ever bother to reply to this post

fucking faggots

and fuck that ISIS emarati fag

you are all fags.

>>66632749
Not entirely true.
We took slaves from East Africa that were sold from other East Africans whom we agreed not to enslave.
A good example would be Ethiopians. We never enslaved them but they sure as hell sold their neighbors to us.

Zanzibar is another good example.
Especially with the Omanis and Yemenis.

>>66632749
>And why would an Iranian be so butthurt about Pashtuns anyway?

Weird isn't it? Pashtuns are very likely more Iranic than even the Persians, considering the latter heavily mixed with Turko-Azeris and Arabs at some point.

>>66632860
mountain pashtuns, tajiks who live near pashtuns and pamiris are the most 'iranic' people that still exist

the rest of pashtuns/tajiks/persians/kurds are iranics mixed with other trash

>>66632897
also northern iranians along the caspian are quite pure iranics

the rest of iran is mixed with arabs/turks/elamites/semites etc.

>>66632837
i want to hear a vocaroo of you speaking farsi to prove how stupid your accent is

>>66632787
>>66632813
Thank (you) lads

>>66632860
Its not about genetics ameriheritage. Pashtuns are just pretty tribal and have some dumb practices like bashabazi although it isnt just restricted to them.

>>66632934
>bashabazi

Nothing wrong with some shepherd boypussy.

>>66632932
oh boi

afghan fag who got molested talks shit bout my accent.

>>66633014
He's some buttmad Afghani Tajik. Not Pashtun.

>>66633047
tbf if I/my grandparents had to share a country with Pashtuns I'd be pretty upset to.

all I learned from reading this thread is that Finns are autistic

oh wait I already knew that

I have learned nothing

>>66633047
whatever

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Why is every poster here diaspora?

>>66632962
persian poets often spoke about boy love, rumi and shams tabrizi have poems about wanting to fuck boys

>>66633014
to be fair, iranian farsi sounds very feminine and like a bastardization of the language when spoken casually or colloquially, when spoken professionally like in a speech it sounds a lot like afghan farsi

>>66633132
they have nothing else to be proud of, they're on 4chan for a reason

The face analysis "algorithm" are innate, and as such linked to our genes.

This is why Chinese all look the same to us and probably why you can't tell apart Arabs from Persians.

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>>66633132
For quality discussion

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How did Uthman fuck up with Iran. They could've been like Egyptians by now but no. Uthman had to get assassinated

>>66633014
post vocaroo saying this

>اقای بلیغ گفت که اگر با دید مطنقهیی به این طرحها نگاه کنیم، آثار مثبتی برای منطقه و افغانستان خواهد داشت و به همین خاطر اجرای این طرحها از اولویتهای افغانستان است تا از طریق شهرهای مرزی با کشورهای همسایه وصل شویم.

>>66632726
Nah not really.

I'm pure Anglo descent and I'm not going to erase my heritage just because of some confused mutt shouting around in America for the West to become a single superstate so he has a single place to call home.

>>66632746
Yeah I thought so too desu. It's just never gonna work.

>>66633532
>I'm pure Anglo descent

Not even a drop of Fenian blood?

>>66633409
just give me a teamspeak server and i'm gonna come and say that IRL to your face(well not to your face actually)