I don't really know which board this suits best But how

misinfo, mind-poison

As a Chinese, you have to get used to the information from the west. That's the daily life.

>>66537130
Some accurate, some hyperbole

>mfw I will never be able to find this stuff out on my own instead of some paid shill
>mfw even if I did find out this stuff, I would tell people things that are in my interests

Viewer discretion advised 2bh.

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>>66537424
>Some accurate, some hyperbole

Please, tell me more

>>66537130
It's biased towards falun gong, they pretend to be far more central to the factional infighting than they actually are. Otherwise they're pretty on point.

Their main point is that they dare to say a lot of shit most media outlets don't because say because they audience either doesn't care or because they don't want to lose their journalist visas.

>>66537949
>>It's biased towards falun gong

So they aren't as persecuted as CU reports?

>>66538083
they are butthurt that they were kicked out for being a cult, which the government is highly suspicious of. they try to smear china, like hong konger said some is true and some is exaggerated. for example, the organ harvesting of FL members, the numbers dont add up.

>>66538083
>So they aren't as persecuted as CU reports?

depends on what you mean by persecuted, but if you watch their three part series on them they make it seem like the 6-10 office was created solely for falun gong which it wasn't. Their numbers on the amount of people practicing falun gong are also exeggerated.

You should take the things they say with a grain of salt, but they do point out a lot of important stuff that people don't usually hear.

>>66538234
>they are butthurt that they were kicked out for being a cult

to be fair the CCP is extremely paranoid, they're weren't nearly as dangerous as the CCP say they are.

>>66538083
Basically, they have a huge system underground, I believe It's kind like Freedom Asia bullshit, here is the web site of that fucking Dafa. In Chinese version, you can find the article like "I'm alive without lungs because I believe Falungong and master Li"
http://en.minghui.org/

http://www.guokr.com/post/564945/

falun gong is so retarded that they're literally a meme in china now

>>66538234

>for example, the organ harvesting of FL members, the numbers dont add up.

yes it is very funny how they can get a very specific organ in only two weeks when it takes a year or more when you wait for people to die naturally

China uncensored is the kind of shit insecure Americans and butthurt Filipinos love to watch, if that's what you mean.

>>66537130
i tought it was a joke channel tbqh

>>66538404
>>66538506
How does falun gong being a nutty cult justify the CCP's repression?

How does it invalidate CU's criticisms of the CCP?

We don't put scientologists in gulags.

>>66538083
oh they're persecuted, not as brutally as they once were though

but CU's unwavering support of a crazy witch cult is somewhat unsettling

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>>66538685

My point exactly

>>66538685
most of the claims made by falun gong about their persecution ("""organ harvesting""") are entirely made up.

>>66537424

What about the supposed Hong Kong-Bejing power struggle?

>>66538685
>We dont put scientologists in gulags
There should be some repression tho, just as salafis, weird american cults are a hostile foreign influence.

Going so far to intern people on blacksites for killing is ofc a step tat shouldnt be taken.

>>66538914
it doesn't but the focus on their suppose suppression is biased against others who are also supressed

>>66539109
Don't follow CU myself unfortunately so I can't really give you more of an opinion than what I posted earlier

>>66538685
Well, It was a breathing exercise like 15 years later? Who fucking knows what happened to them. I don't know why an exercise became a cult and the followers start to burn themselves for going to heaven....

>>66539140
>There should be some repression tho, just as salafis, weird american cults are a hostile foreign influence.

t. freedom hater

It's misinformation. He gets his info from r/china and manipulates it.

If you want to read authentic views from China, read globaltimes.cn.

t. Chinaman

>>66538685
they harm the health of society, for example if you have cancer, they support homeopathy instead of going to hospital

>>66538685
well, 15 years ago. My bad.

>>66539237
>freedom hater

My culture never could completely into this freedom thing anyway.

>>66539339
>they harm the health of society, for example if you have cancer, they support homeopathy instead of going to hospital

>giving shitty health advice justifies putting people in prison

>>66539481
>My culture never could completely into this freedom thing anyway.

it works perfectly fine in Taiwan, and it does in other confucian cultures like Korea and Japan.

>muh cultural difference is not an real argument

>>66539683
Oh fuck, working perfectly in Taiwan? Are you kidding me?

>>66539339
>homeopathy

LOL
Why this european brainfart and not some wacky asian bullshit like tigerpenis or whatever?

Homeopathy was the result of some romantic 20th century esoteritard getting promoted by the nazis in order to create a distinctive "germanic healingpractize" in contrast to the jewish dominated medical field.

Similar to how Mao promoted traditional chinese tinctures in order not to be in the need of trying to catch up with the west concerning healthcare.

Nazis even reflected on it and made a story to prove it being bullshit but at that time the war was already too hot for people to care so the idea got never discredited and survived into the 60s were it was again pushed by hippies and the esoteric scene.

Falun Gong picking this up makes them some western-asian hybrid cult then?

>>66539320
>global times
That's the bastard child of Gawker and Xinhua.

>>66539729
i dont mean it literally, just giving you an idea. like instead of going to hospital, doing weird home treatment or breathing exercise bullshit.

I love his reporting but he has a strange affliction for fulan gong thing

>>66539729
Falun gong followers said you can keep healthy forever If you believe them, and you will be fine after the traffic accident.

>>66537130
literally a falun gong shill
it's a mystery how they fund their activities since they supposedly don't make any profit

>>66539719
Taiwan is a functioning democracy, it completely disproves the meme argument that Han Chinese people are somehow inherently incapable of democracy.

>>66539976
loads of political donation

>>66539976
>it's a mystery how they fund their activities since they supposedly don't make any profit

youtube ad revenues and a patreon page

>literally a falun gong shill

not an argument

>>66539835
>I dont mean it literally

Oh that wasnt clear then.
So they are a purely asian phenomenum then?
Esoterics preying on people like that is common in every country I guess in one form or another.

>>66540039
Well, the Taiwanese werent fucked over by communism as they were a nationalist Kuomitang stronghold.
This makes for a different culture.

>>66540192
the kuomintang were just as bad as the ccp
just ask anyone from Tainan

>>66540192
>>Well, the Taiwanese werent fucked over by communism as they were a nationalist Kuomitang stronghold.

The KMT government in Taiwan was also extremely repressive until the 80's.

You still haven't explained why mainland China is culturally incapable of democracy.

>>66540357
china is incapable of democracy because they are poor and nationalistic and easily misled by demagogues
democracy would easily mean the rise of a new Mao

>>66540039
All right, keep following your amazing president Cai and make Taiwan greater again LOL

>>66540357
taiwan is a small island with not that many people, many of whom were former government officials or upper class. of course democracy can work fine there, they dont have 1 billion peasants. democracy is shit until authoritarianism can get things in order, thats how korea, singapore, taiwan, developed.

>>66540357
I never said it would be, also general dictator repression is different to communism in some weird way, as the last one makes people dependent even in the way they do their private busynesses.
East germans are said to be still more inclined towards totalitarian thinking and left religiou feelings for better or worse completely.
So there is a difference between mainland and island china.

>>66540357
because it's not necessary
democracy is not people power, you can vote in china if you want just join the party

unlike the west with their class struggles and rights having democracy come AFTER economic stability they can go around and verbally abuse weaker countries but democracy is not a fit-all system, the economic qualification is quite rigid despite the rhetoric
just look at countries like haiti there is plenty of democracy

what the chinese people want isn't some esoteric freedom to vote it's economic stability, not that culturally incapable but some matters are more urgent

>>66540357
main land: 80% Chinese stuff + 10% Soviet style + 10% Western style
Taiwan: 50% Western style + 10% Japanese stuff + 40 Chinese stuff.

>>66540951
>Stuff
What is this stuff you speak of?

>>66540992
Like culture. Style means policy system.

>>66541050
What is western then? Society and culture in Italy is completely different from here for example. That term is broad to the point of being meaningless in this sense.

>>66540330
The America were just as bad as the Nazi
just ask anyone from Soviet
LOL

>>66540639
This guy knows what's up.

>>66541144
>what is western
I guess a culture where individualism is worth something along nuclear family structures and the seperation of church and state.

>>66541144
>What is western then?
I think It's the Capitalism.
Well, be honestly, CCP's policy are 20% socialism + 40% capitailism + 40% specialty of China.
I know "specialty of China" will make you fell confused, but that's the thing.

>>66541539
>specialty of China
坦白說我比你說的“西方”了解那個部分,資本主義比較有道理。

>>66540479
>supporting a democratic system means automatically supporting every elected official in every country ever

>>66540428
>>china is incapable of democracy because they are poor and nationalistic and easily misled by demagogues

Proper safety measures can written into constitutions to prevent tyranny.

Demagoguery is generally not what leads to the end of democracy in poor countries, they're coups or revolts or presidents simply rigging elections.
>>66540861
>because it's not necessary

The CCP regularly abuses its power and is extremely corrupt

>unlike the west with their class struggles and rights having democracy come AFTER economic stability

In the US all white men in northern states could vote by the 1830's. France had universal male sufferage by the 1870's.

>erbally abuse weaker countries but democracy is not a fit-all system

nothing says western imperialism like letting people choose their own governments

>just look at countries like haiti there is plenty of democracy

there isn't actually

>>66541653
Wait...Is that google translator?
Why I can't understand....

>>66541539
>capitalism
Eh, gommunism was spawned by the west as well along other complimenting ideas which started forming after we ditched feudalism.
The soviet union was like a mutant outgrowth of western culture gone rogue.

>>66541732
I just meant to say the Chinese specialty you mentioned is not confusing, actually the least confusing part of anything you said.

>>66537130
It would be nice to get some accurate info on what our Trade Partner is doing without the 5 tons of hyperbole and persecution complex that goes with it.

>>66541835
Yeah I know that. But during the cold war, most of the commies are at east right?

>>66540357
pretty hard when you have 1 billion people, 50+ different ethnicities, 200 different dialects

look at the recent trade negotiations between the EU and Canada. Because 1 region of the 9th biggest country didn't like the trade deal, it wasn't signed

>>66541874
Oh really, It seems I need to improve my expression ability LOL

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>>66540428
>incapable of democracy because of nationalism
Dude, the first democratic revolutions in europe where definitly nationalistic and gave the concept its name.

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>>66542002
Mhyes.
Maybe we went full circle with this ideological adventure.

>>66542030
>pretty hard when you have 1 billion people, 50+ different ethnicities, 200 different dialects

91% of whom are Han Chinese. The vast majority of people in China can speak Mandarin.

The US has 320 million people and is still a democracy. India has a population of 1.1 billion people, they're a democratic country and they've made tremendous strides in the last 20-30 years (>inb4 le poo memes xdd)

>>66542304
I await the China experts who will come and murder your arguments like Negan did to Glenn and Abraham last night. If they won't, I'll do it myself later.

>>66542252
Well, I will say it as simple as I can:
1. Ideological is bullshit.
2. China is a extremely complex place.
3. Foreigners can't "understand" China very well unless they've been their.
4. Some Chinese people can't understand the government very well because of the populism, miss understand, and....you know, American's public opinion bombing.
5. The confusing fact: Chinese are commie but not commie, Chinese are capitalism but not capitalism.
6. It's China.

In general misinfo

>>66542667
>I await the China experts who will come and murder your arguments

you mean memers on /int/?

>murder your arguments like Negan did to Glenn and Abraham last night

>unironically watching anticlimax: the tv series

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>>66542764

>>66542764
God damn, your English is so shit you need to come back

>>66542304
China's comprehensive strength is better than India. well, India is a good opponent in some way, but their problems are still more than China.

>>66542127
yeah and that turned out really well didn't it

>>66542874
Come on bro, I'm new in Canada.

>>66542304
>91% han chinese
Han chinese is a meme, it's not real

>>66542820
you have to understand it's not just democracy which everyone knows is a sham

what they expect is evidence that it is a better system not just some rhetoric about political end-point
can democracy significantly improve their lives
the answer is obviously in the negative since india and south east asian countries are democratic and relatively unpromising

not to mention european and american ideologues use it as a weapon to justify their unwarranted aggression against the rest of the world
why would democracy be enviable?

>>66542942
>China's comprehensive strength is better than India.

never claimed otherwise

>India is a good opponent in some way, but their problems are still more than China.

India will be fine.

>>66542820
Should I spend the next half hour debating you, or will it inevitably be futile when this thread turns to memes and /pol lite like it usually does... hmm

>>66538685
>We don't put scientologists in gulags.
But you should have done it before and you should do it now.

>>66542950
Safe for the first french one, It did.

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>>66543003
you need to go back

>>66543186
ww1 and ww2 definitely had nothing to do with ultranationalistic revanchism by france and germany

>>66543058
>>the answer is obviously in the negative since india and south east asian countries are democratic and relatively unpromising

first off, most countries in SE-Asia aren't democratic

Second, India and plenty of other countries show high growth and an improvement of living standards.

Look up the paper 'Democracy does cause growth' by Daron Acemoglu (one of the world's most cited economists) he is better at arguing the case for democracy than I.

>not to mention european and american ideologues use it as a weapon to justify their unwarranted aggression against the rest of the world

The ideological justification European countries used for colonialism weren't about democracy.

>why would democracy be enviable?
I never claimed it was, I claimed it was a good thing and preferable to CCP rule.

>>66543086
>never claimed otherwise
Yeah I know that.
But "India" has already became a meme in China..
Well, mainland China.

>>66543337
facts are meaningless India is already a meme and common negative comparison vis a vis china

india is known for the open defecation, corpses in the ganges, and dirtiness in china

and yes i know about the memes about chinese shitting on the street but its mostly uneducated rural children (never adults) and very rare

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>>66543270
I thought every Canadians are friendly LOL.
I will cry if you say that again LOL.

>>66543316
So what?
Wars happen, back then we slaughtered each other over religious differences without mercy, then about national ones in the end for power and local supremacy everytime like the US does today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848#Greater_Poland

The spring of nations and the forming of states based on nationalist values where definitly a huge improvement concerning liberty in europe.
The german one may have been crushed, but it still led to the creation of a unified second empire with democratic elements.

Nationalism was a netpositive in europe.
Of course, it can be taken to far like most things and after ww2 there was a backlash against it just as there was a backlash against democracy after the bloodorgy of the first fench revolution which horrified many people.

>>66543346
>But "India" has already became a meme in China..

Most of China is still a shithole full of peasants.

>>66543450
>>india is known for the open defecation, corpses in the ganges, and dirtiness in china

And China is known for being an overpoluted shithole where factory workers kill yourselves so often the foxconn plants now have jumping nets. It's known as a place where the CCP doens't give a fuck if you lace baby formula with melanine.

memes aren't reality and shouldn't be the basis for reasonable arguments, this thread has mostly been reasonable level-headed discussion.

>>66543536
if china gets democracy a duterte, hitler or mao type figure will inevitably emerge and there will be genocides or war

>>66543618
the point is that chinese see nothing enviable or positive about india or its democracy and have no reason or desire to emulate it

>>66543337
but what kind of growth

chinese growth is strictly anchored to world economy it is no longer bottom feeder like it was 30-40 years ago

this kind of democratic argument is the same as the gorbachev one, somehow by totally changing the political landscape you can discard socialism, the russian experience is a poignant one for china just as the opium war was for japan

deng xiao ping traditional phases cemented ccp's obligation to the people as the promoter of growth and economic stability why would they follow the russians when they have a ailing economy

democracy in this case is very weak versus not some paper argument but real world experience, it is the same oh my version wasn't tried argument just as the oh the russians messed up on the transition argument

>>66543629
>if china gets democracy a duterte, hitler or mao type figure will inevitably emerge and there will be genocides or war
>mao
so your argument against democracy is that it would allow the CCP into power? Not exactly making your case there.

>>66543629
May be.
There are many ways you can think of nationalism.
If you'd take it by its most narrow definition it would mean a lot of secessionist movements in china after democratisation which may inspire a brutal reaction by the hans out of fear of not only powerloss but also foreign intervention.

Chinese party is working hard to destroy the identity of its greater minorities after all, even promoting interethnic marriage to reduce the number of stray tribes over the next century.

>>66543706
no, it will revive the horrors of the 1950s and 1960s era CCP and the cultural revolution.
the current CCP is very tame in comparison and values stability over violent upheaval
we don't need a new ccp, the old one was bad enough

>>66543618
How do you enjoy studying in the Netherlands, Pahjeet Singh?

>>66543618
>peasants
>overpolluted shithole
literally all of that applies to india as well

>>66543810
No, I'm ethnically Dutch.

also not an argument.

>>66543672
I never said they should take India as an example, I just said that having a large and poor population doesn't mean that democracy is impossible.

Reminder that democracy is inefficient, corrupt and retarded voters.
Go talk with anyone on the street about politics and you'll see why. t. churchill
tip*
(answers you might find from alot of people why the voted for that specific person might include: he was black, we need a grill leader, build wall, i want free stuff)
anyways enjoy the clinton dynasty on the throne again ameriga

Chinese, especially middle class urban Chinese don't want democracy, same as Thais. It will only serve to give power over to uneducated and poor masses in the countryside and stall the development of the country. China values social stability over esoteric """freedoms,""" and many Chinese will argue that they feel the most free that they ever have in their lives right now (both economic and social freedoms)
Why spoil a good thing by agitating for unrest and giving more power to the masses? Just look at what happened in Syria and Libya when the masses demanded "democracy"

>>66543618
Nice logic.
∵China has 50.32% of the population engaged in agriculture.
∴"India" can't be a meme in China.
This is what you want to say?

>>66544134
I'm saying that India being a meme in China is irrelevent.

>>66544091
Mh, it depends.
After wars young democracies dont have this problem as people are awake about the political mechanisms and their dutys due to the recent stress.
The next generations start slacking off if nothing happens like a coldwar situation with a scary neighboor.

So we either need a really hurtful kick in the butt or a softer way to raise awareness/modifie the voting system.

CGP Grey is always related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

>>66543957
But why we need democracy if its not a help of economy and solving problems?

>>66544118
Look at what happened in 1940s-1960s in China with the cultural revolution and when the communists whipped the masses into a frenzy. No Chinese wants to revisit that era. Giving power to the easily manipulated and uneducated is never a good idea.

As far as the India democracy argument goes, the lack of strong central developing authority in India has meant that many regions of India are still very very backwards, and since the poor uneducated masses are given a voice, there is no incentive to reform the caste system, rape, forced marriages, child marriages, acid attacks, and pogroms against beef-eaters

>>66544091
who would you want the dictator of Sweden?
>>66544118
>Chinese, especially middle class urban Chinese don't want democracy,

you base this on what?

>t will only serve to give power over to uneducated and poor masses in the countryside and stall the development of the country.

>China values social stability

the CCP does

>many Chinese will argue that they feel the most free that they ever have in their lives right now (both economic and social freedoms)
>social freedoms
like freedom of assemply, peitition, the press, speech? China doens't have social freedoms

>Just look at what happened in Syria and Libya when the masses demanded "democracy"

just look at what happens to countries when corrupt dictators mow down demonstrators and purposefully start civil wars.

>>66544385
cultural revolution was just a cult of personality
not a specific argument against democracy since there are courts that would support it

>just a reminder that even with 1.4 billion people, china modernized faster than anyone else in human history (except Japan and Italy) and that if it were not for westerners' bias for India naïvely rooted in them being a possible friend to the western democratic liberal order, china shits on India in every possible category except freedom of press, IT, english speaking, and a right to vote (if you value that one at all).

>>66537130
The organization is owned by Falun Gong practitioners so he misrepresents information to put the PRC in the worst possible light

>>66544249
So people can remove corrupt officials, and have rights.

the paper 'Democracy does cause growth' by Daron Acemoglu (one of the world's most cited economists) actually explains the economic benefits of democracy.

you can find it for free on google, it's one of the first results

>>66544472
>china modernized faster than anyone else in human history

proofs?

> and that if it were not for westerners' bias for India naïvely rooted in them being a possible friend to the western democratic liberal order,

India isn't particularly friendly with India, Russia is a far better ally.

>>66544385
>progroms against beef eaters
Muzzies dindu nuffin

>>66544394
I base this on general experience from being from an urban middle class chinese family, talking to urban middle class chinese, and the general opinions of chinese internet posters and overseas students
You can meme all you want about the CCP propaganda but there is a broad section of Chinese society, especially the parents and grandparents generation that agrees 100%.
These people have also experienced China's rapid economic growth and have tangibly seen the improvement of their lives. They see almost no reason to question the system, as it has benefited them.
As far as freedom of assembly goes, Chinese do not consider that important, and see it as the equivalent of causing riots, disorder and chaos. Chinese do not care about free speech ideology, if you ask the average Chinese about freedom of the press, they will tell you that the whole world is the same, every media is propaganda in one way or another. If you ask Chinese about free speech, most will tell you that they have never felt that there is anything that they cannot say in their everyday lives.

>>66544186
I said that because all my Chinese friends, and most of the Chinese people on the Internet I know are are agree with one thing: China's comprehensive strength is better than India.

>>66544690
>So people can remove corrupt officials, and have rights.
Well, actually we are doing that right now.
And that's why I'm saying "Even Chinese can't understand their country", you can't using "normal" logic to think on Chinese problems.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to explain what the "normal logic" is.
Thanks for the paper btw.

80% of China is still rural and poor. Why should uneducated peasants be given power over the educated people in the cities? They do not know what is best for them and will plunge the country into disaster.

Just look at the example of what happened when Thai populists won the elections off of the backs of rural poor voters in the north. An economically catastrophic rice subsidy scheme was enacted and a military coup and protests among educated middle class Southern Thailand were needed to restore sanity to the country,

that was the military using peasants to usurp power

>>66544729
>>These people have also experienced China's rapid economic growth and have tangibly seen the improvement of their lives.

The CCP barely has, the only thing it did was stop being completely batshit insane. It for the most part copied the development models of other Asian countries.

>They see almost no reason to question the system

That's why all the Chinese students and tourists here stock up on baby formula, because the trust the CCP to stop manufactures from poisoning their infants.

>As far as freedom of assembly goes, Chinese do not consider that important

China has had hundreds of thousands of 'mass incidents' I think the peasants who had their land stolen by corrupt officials would appreciate the right to free speech.

> they will tell you that the whole world is the same, every media is propaganda in one way or another

which is simply incorrect.

>If you ask Chinese about free speech, most will tell you that they have never felt that there is anything that they cannot say in their everyday lives.

social media in China is heavily monitored and censored

>>66545094
>would appreciate the right to free speech.
*freedom of assembly

>>66544394
>corrupt dictators mow down demonstrators and purposefully start civil wars.
actually, this is not the cause of instability and chaos. If NATO and gulf countries did not arm the rebels and act as their air force, the anti-government forces would be quickly quelled and order would be restored. For the sake of stability, any sign of dissent and rebellion must be stamped out as soon as possible before it is allowed to spread and be exploited by adversarial countries.

>>66545200
>If NATO and gulf countries did not arm the rebels

Ghaddafi was such a delusional prick that he armed his own people thinking they would support him, they did not because they didn't like him.

>and act as their air force

the no-fly zone above Libya was approved by the UN security council. Even so Libya didn't have an effective air force and the overwhelming numbers of rebels would have over run him easily.

>For the sake of stability, any sign of dissent and rebellion must be stamped out as soon as possible before it is allowed to spread and be exploited by adversarial countries.

t. Stalin

It's almost midnight here so I'm going to sleep.

>>66545094
when they are censored, they accept it and move on, or use a vpn to access western social media. it is not a big deal at all.
food security, corruption, and pollution is a big deal but most people have confidence in the party's ability to tackle the issue.
the 'mass incidents' are not looked upon favorably by the middle class. Even in the case of the mass incidents, most of them are against local officials and rarely denounce the central government - even despite their shitty circumstances the lower classes still trust in the central government and communist party to bring justice. They are very nationalistic.

>>66537130
No
Learn Chinese and read Chinese newspapers.
Anything about China in English is bullshit

>>66547694
You get used to how universally biased western media is against china.

Criticism and negativity literally
becomes useless since you wear that shit like armor. I wonder if any westerners here know what that feelings like.

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>In China, they write the date YYYY/MM/DD

>>66537130
Just accurate enough to get away with anti-China shilling.

Read The Economist instead.

>>66540039
You said they have freedom though, but they don't.

They weren't even a full democracy until the 2001 vote.

>>66540120
>not an argument
So if I support the Nazis, I'm a rational human being who is just as likely as Obama to make rational arguments?

>>66540357
>rich island of 20 million Han
>aided by US government

>1.4 billion poor people with multiple ethnic minorities
>hated by US government

Hmmmmm.

>>66540639
This

All of China's peers were authoritarian into the 90's.

>>66541935
The Economist --> China section

>>66542304
>91% Han
Meme like 91% of Americans are American

Only 40% of Chinese speak Mandarin properly.

>>66543086
>India will be fine
In 40 years?

>>66543337
Here's a well cited source arguing against Acemoglu (who's methodology was proven to be biased).
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/1993-06-06/is-democracy-bad-for-growth

>>66551617
mandarin is not the same thing as han

just because you are not from beijing pre revolution doesn't mean you are not han

most uneducated before the cultural revolution cannot speak mandarin

mandarin expansion phenomenon is all the work after 1950-60s

>>66543182
Based Russia

>>66543470
Canadians are the worst people on 4chan.

>>66547694
This is true, articles about China tend to focus too much on issues and how the west can help to solve those issues. Or in many cases, how the Asian countries can develop if they simply adopted western practices. In one case, the economist recommended Japan to have mass immigration regardless of social implications. I believe countries of different culture groups should learn to solve their own issues.

>>66538394
>>66538234
They're afraid of cults because past ones in Chinese history like the Kingdom of Heavenly Peace caused civil wars that killed millions.

>>66540357
>>66540192
Taiwan is a very very small country with 1/50th of China's population also they're in the US sphere of influence.

>>66540681
>I never said it would be, also general dictator repression is different to communism in some weird way

This is correct. Communism literally destroys the culture and soul of a nation.