>mfw the guy that impeached Dilma is now under arrest for

Nice digits my man

It's Brazil. What did you expect?

>>66372370
If it was truly the expected Brazil, this wouldn't have happened kek, and everybody would have taken it up their asses

>>66372222
The senate impeached her tho, the guy just opened the process.

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>>66372566
if any nigger expects that just because Cunha was imprisoned then the process is invalid i'd laugh my ass off too

>>66372807
Heh you'd be surprised

>>66372807
if it wasn't for him probably the impeachment would have never launched 2bh, but fuck Dilma, she was bad

>>66372936
Would it tho, if it was anybody else that wasnt her ally it would probably happen desu

>>66372936
yeah but the interesting here is that, if it was another country or another time, the winning party would rule supreme and none of its members would go to jail
now everybody is falling like dominoes, based Brazil

>>66373004
meh but this person probably wouldn't have the influence Cunha had and still has over the Congress to articulate this feat, to the point that since he was the House Speaker he kinda forced the Congress to stop every vote that was going until they voted the impeachment just because he could do it and wanted to lol

>>66373017
> the winning party would rule supreme and none of its members would go to jail
Yes that's exactly what Cunha wanted, Dilma just wanted to see everything and every corrupt to burn, and well she managed that to happen despite losing her mandate

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>>66373147
>Dilma just wanted to see everything and every corrupt to burn
sooo she was planning to resign presidency and turn herself over after she finished?

>>66373147
>>66373219
Dilma didn't want shit other than keep her mandate lel, but she fucked up so hard that even her own party stopped caring about her.

>>66373298
>>66373219
then why didn't she stop Lava-Jata before it begun to investigate everyone, and accepted Cunha's proposal? She had the power to do that you know

Where is all that shit at, Brazilbros? Did anyone actually go to jail or anything?

>>66373464
one of the most powerful politicians just went to prison m8

>>66373147
Is that why she tried to make lula untouchable

>>66373464
Pretty much everyone who isn't under legal immunity is going to prison, even the super popular ex-president Lula.

>>66373529
>untouchable
yeah, that is why Lula became a minister and isn't investigated by Lava-Jato

>>66373488

When will we charge Trump with treason for inciting violent insurrection?

>>66373383
>then why didn't she stop Lava-Jato
because (a) AFAIK, the Judiciary has its own power and the Executive meddling it would have been the actual coup d'etat. she did try to stop them from catching Lula by turning him into Minister of Nothingness (b) if she tried to stop the investigations she would be considered more guilty and more dictatorial. good thing she didn't let Lula turn her into a dictator, gotta thank that decency act (or lack of guts)

>>66373580
>>66373383
She doesn't have the power to stop it outright, she tried to give immunity to Lula but that was shot down by a bunch of judges and that pretty much sealed the deal on her impeachment.

big bulgar cock for big brazilian bunda

>>66373571
>tried

>>66373488
The ex president? He was just arrested, right? I'm sorry, I should have been more clear- I'm wondering about actual sentences.
>>66373558
Indictment, getting arrested, and and being sentenced to prison are very different things.

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>>66373573
nevermind Trump, why not charge Hillary with wikileak proofs? (yeah it's obvious why but it did beg the question)

>>66373571
it wasn't because Dilma stopped him from becoming Minister, if that's what you're implying

>>66373580
>>66373627
>because (a) AFAIK, the Judiciary has its own power
she could have literally changed the minister of Justice anytime she wanted and he could virtually change all Lava-Jato investigators to other functions. I mean this has happened one bazillion times in Brazilian history

>>66373573
>for inciting violent insurrection
wat

>>66372222
Is Brazil all corrupt Brasil OP?

>>66373692
If she took moro out people would burn down the congress

>>66373723
Yes, and that's why we should use corruption to prop up ourselves and not really fight it to extinguish it and install a moralist judiciary dictatorship

>>66373688
If Lula get arrested, we will grab our Ar-15s and overthrow the government by force.

>>66372222
A communist imprisoning a man who has shown far more success in his life than any feminist whore. What's new? I think we all know that people like Dilma thrive on envy.

>>66373777
>If she took moro out people would burn down the congress
in the beginning not really, now yes and that's why Temer didn't stop them

ARE THE BUNDAS OK?

>Cunha impeached Dilma
lol

>>66373783
Why? From what I've read the dude is corrupt as fuck.

>>66373688
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_pessoas_envolvidas_na_Opera%C3%A7%C3%A3o_Lava_Jato
Here's the list of people involved in the operation, Cunha is actually on probation because the judge thinks he has the power to damage the investigation, he was not sentenced yet.

Cunha and Lula are very much likely to get arrested, the judge doesn't play around and the cases against them are very strong.

>>66373813
the bundas are in danger
you should consider taking a few brazilian refugees when the time comes

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>>66373849
>corrupt as fuck
>accused of having a ranch in Atibaia and an apartment on Guarujá
HOLY CRAP ARREST THIS MAN NOW

>>66373812
At what point is this begining you speak of

>>66373849
Lula wants to run for president again in 2018. Arresting him would be the opposition's plan to stop him from being elected.

>>66373917
before the media started to quote him as the saviour of mankind and just quoted things about Lava-Jato investigating Petrobrás basically late 2015

>>66373899
Did you even read the accusation?
The investigation says the was the supreme commander of the Petrobrás corruption scheme and his defenders are utter shit and claiming the judge is biased and shit instead of shooting down the accusation itself.
He's done for.

>>66373888
i will take all the bundas of brazil for myself

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>>66373899
>Lula didn't stick his hand in the money can
this is what petralhas favelados actually believe
>inb4 "but Cunha is worse"
yep and they both are going down

>>66373970
>The investigation says the was the supreme commander of the Petrobrás corruption
YES I DON'T HAVE PROOFS BUT CONVICTIONS! LULA IS EVIL HE IS THE DEVIL HE MUST BE ARRESSSSTEDDDDDD!@!"!!@#*&@!#*(!

>>66373899
Afaik it was for skimming Petrobras money. I don't have a particular side, I just know it's a scandal and to a degree it hurts Brazil as a whole.
>>66373933
That's honestly depressing.

>>66374011
>YES I DON'T HAVE PROOFS BUT CONVICTIONS!
lel I hope you know you are just repeating a meme spread by PT which is actually a misquote and not true at all.
http://g1.globo.com/politica/operacao-lava-jato/noticia/2016/09/afinal-procurador-da-lava-jato-disse-nao-temos-prova-temos-conviccao.html

You are utterly retarded, merely an useful idiot.

>>66373933
retard

http://www.valor.com.br/politica/4732041/lula-diz-que-pt-sobrevive-como-legenda-preferida-do-eleitor

http://istoe.com.br/pt-dizimado-nas-urnas-nas-eleicoes-municipais-de-2016/

>>66374034
>Afaik it was for skimming Petrobras money.
there are literally 0 proofs of this, they are just accusing him because he had connections with everyone
>>66374063
>Dentro das evidências que nós coletamos, a nossa convicção com base em tudo que nos expusemos é que Lula continuou tendo proeminência nesse esquema, continuou sendo líder nesse esquema mesmo depois dele ter saído do governo
literally the same phrase but with more words

>>66374123
retard
http://istoe.com.br/lula-lidera-em-todos-os-cenrios-de-1-turno-para-2018-diz-pesquisa-cntmda/
http://www.redebrasilatual.com.br/politica/2016/10/vox-populi-lula-lidera-com-35-preferencias-para-2018-8214.html
http://politica.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,quem-ganhou-agora-pode-perder-em-2018-e-2022-diz-lula,10000080244

>>66374034
can't be more depressing than choosing between a big mouth mob boss and a reptilian evil mistress dictator
is it true USA has more than two parties though? would you vote for Silver Foxes or whatever?

>>66374133
>0 proofs
time to make a proofster but for brazil. the mascot should be a howling monkey or a banana tree (like in the Olympics, now that i realize)

>>66374133
>they are just accusing him because he had connections with everyone
I suppose it will be seen in court.

Is this what it's like to live in a corrupt country? You question literally any decision your government or justice system makes, even internally? Pretty sad, desu.

>>66374209
>can't be more depressing than choosing between a big mouth mob boss and a reptilian evil mistress dictator
The difference is that despite all of the media bullshit, most Americans do trust a lot the government quite a bit, especially when it comes to the judicial system, FBI, etc. They may not like it, but I think they truly believe they aren't overtly corrupt (in the way of taking actual government money for themselves). They may use their power to their benefit, but I don't think that can ever be removed from politics.
>is it true USA has more than two parties though?
De facto there are two parties. The others are so small they don't count. Remember, we don't have a parliamentary system, but a representative system (good in some ways, bad in others).
>would you vote for Silver Foxes or whatever?
Not really, it's totally pointless.

>>66374133
Are you just pretending to be stupid?
In the phrase itself it says they collected enough evidence to build a strong case against him, which directly disproves the meme phrase which doesn't exist.

>>66374034
>>66373933
We had municipal elections this year and the leftist parties lost a very large chunk of their seats, with PT losing more than 60%, I honestly believe Lula doesn't have a chance of getting elected even if he didn't get arrested unless Temer fucks up.

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>>66373970
Kek

>wanting to arrest the best president this shithole has ever had
>not realizing that they will not arrest the big ones because they aren`t from PT

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>>66374123
We've already ordered a huge batch of customized bushmaster AR-15s from the United States of America. You will feel freedom by force.

>>66374209
>time to make a proofster but for brazil
How would the word proof translate to Portuguese?

I'll make one.

>>66374182
>http://www.redebrasilatual.com.br/politica/2016/10/vox-populi-lula-lidera-com-35-preferencias-para-2018-8214.html
>CUT

And even your commie source on the first link says he will still lose retard

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>>66374338
>he rode the commodities boom which means he was perfect and could install the biggest corruption scheme in the history of humanity without getting arrested!
kill yourself

>Cunha getting arrested
>leftists will now pretend he wasn't a "big one" like they were saying for months on end

>>66374329
>Enough evidence to have convictions =/= evidence to declare someone guilty as there were doing
In the end that just says they have zero evidence to say he was the one behind it, just suspicions

>>66374441
Did you read the 150 page accusation or are you just repeating what you read on PT's blog?

>>66374459
then show me the proofs

Reminder that literally everything thats happening here happened in Italy

>>66374486
http://www.eduardothomas.com.br/download/denuncia-lula-apartamento.pdf

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>>66374488
and in the end of it he won the elections

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>>66374326
>they truly believe they aren't overtly corrupt
so naive. gotta love them cute unitedstatians
>it's totally pointless
we're pretty much fucked then

>>66374343
no need to baptize it
just draw a desperate monkey, put this flag on background and the words "OXENTE ELE É REO SEM CAUSA" or "NÃO TEM PROVAS", thank you very much

>>66374528
nop, show me the proofs in it m8, not the whole accusation, I've taken that you have read it

>>66374488
Yeah, Brazilians love to take inspirations from movies or first world countries. Living in a fantasy world is great uh? It shows this country has an average IQ of 80.

>>66374594
wat

>>66374326
>Is this what it's like to live in a corrupt country? You question literally any decision your government or justice system makes, even internally? Pretty sad, desu.
kek, it is more sad to believe everything they give it to you without question it m8

>>66374414
>not realizing the corruption started with the privatarias
keep being a cuck for the elites you pleb

>>66374536
Here you go m8

>so naive
I think it's fairly reasonable to believe that we aren't in the corrupt in the same way a lot of less developed countries are, but I might be wrong.
>we're pretty much fucked then
You're telling me.

>>66374643
If it's reasonable enough to believe and you have a culture where the government is fairly trustworthy, it's not that crazy. It's strange that you can't even imagine such a world, even just a trustworthy bureaucracy if not the actual politicians.

>>66374414
PT is not even the major corrupted party you dumbo.
These people only care about destroying PT and it`s legacy on this shithole.
Sure, they will catch one or another corrupted retarded, but they will destroy the only somewhat party that ever did anything for this country (that includes the poor and the middle/upper class)

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>>66374763
shit I forgot the image

>>66374612
What happened in Italy is completely different from what happened in Brazil, you dumbshit. Just because Globo said it's the same doesn't mean shit. Globo used to say Brazil was going to be a superpower too and look where Brazil is now.

>>66374801
t.CUT

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>>66374786
10/10
saved

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>>66374685
yeah statify everything and "give the money to the poor", it surely worked out great for Bolivia and Venezuela

>>66374771
I wasn't exaggerating about Petrolão being the largest corruption scheme of all time.
http://g1.globo.com/politica/operacao-lava-jato/noticia/2016/02/petrobras-aparece-em-2-lugar-na-lista-de-escandalos-de-corrupcao-mundiais.html

It's actually 2nd but still.

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>>66374786
wrong flag but you win one internet still, thanks

>>66374801
>Globo used to say Brazil was going to be a superpower
Was it tariffs that made Brazil so unattractive to foreign investment?

Notice how all his defenders here only talk about muh poor and muh best president and don't seem to care that he's corrupt as fuck.

That's the average hue for you, no morals at all.

>>66374763
>If it's reasonable enough to believe and you have a culture where the government is fairly trustworthy, it's not that crazy.
maybe it's because you have never tasted corruption m8, you really don't know how empowering and good it is, and be sure that most politicians in the world know how it is good, also Brazilians hate laws and can understand what is like to break it m8, even when doing good we break laws, that is why corruption shouldn't be fought here, but actually used to do good things, those who should be fought are the ones who use it just for their own welfare like Cunha.

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>>66374964
not only the "social care" measures made the middle class poorer, that money never reach the hands of the poor lol! southamerican socialists are deluded or paid off

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>>66374964
>corrupt as fuck
>lives in the same apartment since ever
>supposedly have a ranch and an apartment in Guarujá
>meanwhile Cunha went to Miami all the time to spend hundred thousands of dollars in clothes
>people applaud him at the airport after impeachment
people just don't give a fuck about corruption, everybody is corrupt here

>>66372222
at least the judicial branch appears to be working.

give it time, dear monkeys, a decent state is not built within a generation.

>>66375076
I guess you missed when Cunha was attacked by an old lady in an airport and everyone cheered for her lel.

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>>66375110
that just proves my point m8, nobody gives a fuck about corruption as long as it appeases what they think it is right, even Moro doesn't escape from that

>>66375153
I hope you aren't implying Moro somehow isn't jailing his "allies".

>>66375215
no, I'm talking about how he gathers evidence and arrest people just because he can, he just believes it is the right thing to do therefore the law doesn't apply and he distort it the way he wants

Also friendly reminder that there are three (3) accusations against Lula, the Triplex bullshit is just the tip of the iceberg.

>>66375262
I'm not sure what you mean because what he does is perfectly legal, corrupt fucks complain that he's too ruthless but that's it.

>>66375312
yes, like publishing illegal telephone taps to the mainstream media just to disrupt an image of a person that isn't even on investigation. Completely legal

>>66374864
>>66374964
Nah, we actually care for concrete evidences, and not a corrupted senate that it`s only care is to stop the investigations.

>>66375053
>kek
From 2001 to 2007 the GINI coefficient reached it`s higher values in 30 years. 7% in this space of time is one of the fastest that any country was able to do it.
The extreme poverty was reduced 3 times faster that the necessary to the 1st UN Development goal.
For the first time ever, the income of the 50% more poor was somewhat bigger than the 1% more richier.
What you and the whole south america did in 15 years, Brazil did in 5.

>do you even

>>66375387
It wasn't illegal you retard, Lula's tap was authorized and he didn't have legal immunity both when it was recorded and when it was legally released.

It was obviously a move to stop him for becoming a minister but it wasn't illegal.

>>66375520
>It wasn't illegal you retard, Lula's tap was authorized and he didn't have legal immunity both when it was recorded and when it was legally released.
It was illegal to release it to mainstream media, since it was supposed to be a secret investigation and a secret tap, even the STF deemed it illegal m8

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>>66375503
I mean`t lowest GINI values, oopsie.

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>>66375520
>>66375312
>>66375215
>hurr durr MORO IS THE SAVIOUR HE WILL BRING JSUTICE KILL ALL CORRUPTION!!111!!1! HE ISN"t CORRUPT HE IS OUR HERO
kek

ITT: BRs speaking Engish.

>>66375686
>no argument

>>66375595
STF archived the case, when did they say it was illegal?

>>66375762
http://veja.abril.com.br/politica/stf-anula-grampo-entre-lula-e-dilma-e-envia-para-sergio-moro-investigacoes-contra-ex-presidente/
http://g1.globo.com/politica/operacao-lava-jato/noticia/2016/03/moro-pede-desculpas-ao-stf-por-polemica-envolvendo-grampo-de-lula.html

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>>66375735
>not realizing the best president and times this shithole has ever had

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>>66375686
>>66375844
t.

>>66375844
>no argument

>>66375874


>>66375503

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>>66375735
it's just pathetic seeing that you guys honestly believe that the country will become better once we "JAIL ALL CORRUPTZ HAUHAUEHUAE XDDD"

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>>66375503
>The extreme poverty was reduced 3 times faster that the necessary to the 1st UN Development goal
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THIS SHIT? AND THAT FOME ZERO ACTUALLY DELIVERED FOOD TO THE POOR? AAAHAAHAAHAAHAAH

>What you and the whole south america did in 15 years, Brazil did in 5
going to World Cup finals twice in a row doesn't count here

>>66375916
>no argument

>>66375503
>>66375911
Ends don't justify means. The corrupt must be jailed, regardless of deeds or party.

>>66375916
It's already getting better kek.
http://www.brasil.gov.br/economia-e-emprego/2016/08/mercado-melhora-previsoes-para-o-pib-de-2016-e-de-2017


Bye bye commies :^))

>>66375919
Yes, laugh moar you monkey. You got rekt by having no argument. You just spill what the mainstream does, thats why you`re in a shitty country that relies on mine to survive.
Now fuck off.

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>>66375958
corruption is in all of us, neglecting corruption is neglecting being a EHUEAHUEAHUEA BRBRBR, Moro attempt will be the same as it was in Italy, people will eventually don't give a fuck and elect a corrupt popular again m8. We shouldn't neglect it but embrace it

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>>66375919
All PT did was change what poverty means, they say R$300/month is "middle class" but that's less than half the minimum salary.

Also according they are lying about the numbers according to Ipea.

That's how PT rolls, populism, lies and more populism.

>>66376105
>evil will always exist therefore embrace it
You must be 18 or over to visit this site.

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>>66376043
>It's already getting better kek.
>http://www.brasil.gov.br/economia-e-emprego/2016/08/mercado-melhora-previsoes-para-o-pib-de-2016-e-de-2017
OH YES, THE MARKET IS DOING FINE, I HEARD THAT GREECE IS ACTUALLY A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE IN NOW, SINCE THE ECONOMY IS GROWING AGAIN!

>>66376040
But they won`t be. How difficult is to you realize that they will only arrest PT members, even with no proofs at all.

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>>66376090
preto you either are dependant on Bolsa Senpaiília or a relative of the politicians charged. you can't shill this hard if it's not for some interest. c'mon preto spill it out: are you doing this for free?

>>66376186
that's how all commies roll, explain Cuba and Argentina's "very high" HDI otherwise lawls

>>66372222
South American politics are a real life cartoon

>>66372807
You still don't know how leftist reasoning works, do you?

>>66376230
why is it bad? less commies, better world
although the point of celebrating Cunha being processed is that it seems Justice will be served for everyone

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>>66376188
>You must be 18 or over to visit this site.
kek I should be writing this to you, you sound like those 13yo idealist pricks who haven't done a thing for something you believe cause
>muh laws
>m-muh it's wrong
>m-muh how will people view me
I bet you are one of those guys in a party who doesn't approach a girl because you "respect" her, therefore she should approach you

>>66376282
>real life cartoon
only if that cartoon is "Animals of Farthing Wood"
shit's tragic but you know the saying: "reir para no llorar"

>You still don't know how leftist reasoning works
sister, you're preaching to the choir. i'm just laughing here and enjoying the bonfires. we live in interesting times...

>>66376186
And commodities prices increased 723% during Lula's presidency and Brasil just recovered from inflation and the banking sector was ready to grow.

In truth PT had very little to do with Brazil's growth since they literally didn't do anything about it.

Another cool fact:
Salaries of the public sector increased 4x more than the private sector, all they did was grow their governmental empire while leaving business dead in the water.

>>66376186
How fucking stupid are you? I bet you`re a fan of the MBL

>>66376312

>pt
>commies

>>66376262
I`m actually yellow, from a wealthy family that actually studies economy in a private university.
I guess you have no arguments at all, just like most of the "anti-corruptions brbrbrbuEUHEUHEHE" around here.

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>>66376312
Oh boy, you really know your way around left and right, ain`t that right?
Bet you think that papa Hitler was a commie as well

>>66376438
>In truth PT had very little to do with Brazil's growth since they literally didn't do anything about it.
yes, it had nothing to do with Lula instead of cutting costs, driving credit up through lending tons of money towards everyone and giving tax exemptions towards big companies haha amirite, the commodities alone drove up our economy

>>66376635
>papa
Hitler was a fascist before he even knew the word existed. Nation, Party and God before all, that's fascist as fuck
and he is not your dad, you're too black to be related to him

>>66376878
>being this salty

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>>66376960
i'm not the one mad because Dilma got kicked out brah

>>66374981
>maybe it's because you have never tasted corruption
That's exactly what I'm saying.
>corruption shouldn't be fought here
Literally what dude. Corruption is a drain on your entire country, dude. It's literally people stealing from each other.

>>66377704
>it's better to have chaotic, a weak government controlled by judiciary/mediatic dictatorship that solely wants honor and audience not giving a fuck about the country than a democratically corrupted strong government that actually solves the country's problems
well you guys live in the first but instead of the judiciary, billionaires that solely want money too

>>66377704
>It's literally people stealing from each other.
not really, since those people solely want money, if you can centralize corruption you got these people in your favor to do whatever the fuck you want, and that makes the government strong as fuck

>monkeys baiting
>other monkeys biting the bait


Well done OP, 310 posts and 150 pics guaranteed.

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>>66378739
I am a professional baiter, no one can stop me :D

>>66378416
>>66378467
Holy shit you are retarded just fucking kill yourselves.

Corruption means the government doesn't give a fuck about the well-being of the country itself and instead they just steal steal and bring their friends to steal even more.

It has nothing to do with the "strength" of a country, you have extremely weak corrupt governments like the generic african shitholes and you also have the strong corrupt governments like Italy.

Good job normalizing corruption, now go move to an actually decent country and export your marvelous insight.

>>66372222
Oh, stop forcing this meme already.

>>66378416
>democratically corrupted strong government that actually solves the country's problems
But Brazilbro, the corruption is a huge part of your country's problems. The government's insistence on insane regulation it can leech off of is one of the reasons you guys have awful purchasing power and export capabilities.
>>66378467
>that makes the government strong as fuck
But it's not necessarily good for people and horrible for the economy, which is the main way you improve the public's life.

>>66378789
>Corruption means the government doesn't give a fuck about the well-being of the country itself and instead they just steal steal and bring their friends to steal even more.
yes, that is why our country grew to the 6th GDP when we had the biggest corruption scheme in our history, hahaha nothing good came out of it

>>66378957
How the fuck did the corruption scheme help the prices of commodities?

It was actually extremely damaging to our economy when it was uncovered and now we have to deal with the fact that we don't have a varied economy because the government bet hard on Pré-sal like the banana republic retards they are.

>>66378957
Brazil's economy was exploding despite the corruption, not because of it.

You realize what kind of a powerhouse Brazil could be if they got rid of their retarded tariff system and put all the money they throw away on bribing bureaucrats on reinvestment?

I like this brasiguayo 2bh

>>66378889
>But Brazilbro, the corruption is a huge part of your country's problems. The government's insistence on insane regulation it can leech off of is one of the reasons you guys have awful purchasing power and export capabilities.
kek, our exports are huge m8, we are the number #1 in meat, beer, soybeans, steel, number #3 in airplanes etc, our purchasing power is low due to the lack of industralization, infrastructure and education, which needs to solve that is a strong government
>But it's not necessarily good for people and horrible for the economy, which is the main way you improve the public's life.
kek, says who? Lula is the most popular democratically president on earth, we got so much international prestige that we became a BRIC, got the olympics and WC

>>66379020
>How the fuck did the corruption scheme help the prices of commodities?
kek, you know when that happened also? Back in Brazil's miracle in the 70s, and you know what happened to our GDP? Nothing, since the wealth became centralized at the millionaire strata and the government didn't spend one dime at infrastructure or distributing wealth, to the point of even supressing even more the worker's right, but well who cares as long as you have jobs amirite hahah

>>66379062
Brazil is actually in last place in tax return indexes, that's the power of a corrupt government, they get all the money but don't do anything useful for the population.

http://g1.globo.com/economia/noticia/2015/06/pelo-5-ano-brasil-e-ultimo-em-ranking-sobre-retorno-dos-impostos.html

Retards defending this shit seriously need a reality check.

>>66379175
So? In the 70's the government was also terrible and it just proves the point that state control is always a fucking stupid idea.

>>66379095
>number #1 in meat, beer, soybeans, steel

Cheap commodities. Classic banana republic export.

>number #3 in airplanes etc

Global manufacturing, does not count. Embraer aircraft are 95% composed of foreign parts.

>>66379062
>Brazil's economy was exploding despite the corruption, not because of it.
kek, you really think that? Literally all companies that are being investigated for corruption charges are the ones that grew the most during Lula's government: Odebrecht, Petrobrás and others
>>66379233
so the best thing ever is to have no state at all amirite xD

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>toda essa macacada NT

por favor >>>/r/Brasil

>Brazilians are defending corruption

No wonder your country is a shithole.

>>66379276
Oh so having money and having exports doesn't count xD SHIT INDUSTRY MEANS SHIT, WE MUST BE THE NEW KOREA HAHAHA FUCK MONEY AS LONG AS IT CAN APPEASE MY AUTISTIC NEEDS

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>>66379370
>Americans voting for Hillary
No wonder your country is a shithole.

>>66379095
>our exports are huge
Not really
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/bra/

23rd place in the world and it's all basic commodities, Brazil failed at modernizing and is still too shy.

>>66379306
Obviously having no state at all is stupid but history has proven that less state meddling in the economy is always the best route.

>>66379095
>we got so much international prestige that we became a BRIC, got the olympics and WC
My fucking sides. The irony of saying that either the Olympic or World Cups being in Brazil were results of Brazil's shining international popularity is pretty funny since both committees are known as some of the most corrupt in the world. I think you're giving yourself a bit too much credit, man.

>>66379306
>you really think that
GDP numbers don't lie, m8. I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

>>66379185
>they get all the money but don't do anything useful for the population.
I've read that the standard of living in the north of Brazil would be Sub-Saharan African tier if not for large social programs, and I guess that's who votes for the Worker's Party in droves. It's a shame that social programs like that have to be accompanied by politicians lining their pockets with taxpayers money as well, but I wouldn't say it doesn't do anything.

>>66379427
>Brazil is the 23rd largest export economy
Yes and that means shit amirite hahah, also it's not like we are a huge country and shit hahah
>Obviously having no state at all is stupid but history has proven that less state meddling in the economy is always the best route.
kek, so free trade is the way amirite? remuve all tariffs n shit?

>>66379276

>Embraer aircraft are 95% composed of foreign parts.

>what is globalism

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>>66379374
You don't have any money you clown. You live in a country 206 MILLION people that has millions of kilometers. Do you have any idea how many roads, hospitals, schools, police departments, fire departments, power lines and power stations have to be maintained? Running a country is like running a business, you can't take all the revenue and buy a mansion with it.

Why are you guys taking his bait so easily?

>>66379498
>I've read that the standard of living in the north of Brazil would be Sub-Saharan African tier if not for large social programs, and I guess that's who votes for the Worker's Party in droves. It's a shame that social programs like that have to be accompanied by politicians lining their pockets with taxpayers money as well, but I wouldn't say it doesn't do anything.

It needs significant investment in infrastructure and education.

>>66379508
Yes, 23rd place in exports is pretty bad for such a huge and populous country.

>>66379498
>I've read that the standard of living in the north of Brazil would be Sub-Saharan African tier if not for large social programs
Not really, the welfare they have right now is pretty garbage and is designed to perpetuate poverty, not fix it with infrastructure and industry.

>>66379498
>GDP numbers don't lie, m8. I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.
yes they don't, that is why our economy started plummeting exactly when corruption investigation started
>both committees are known as some of the most corrupt in the world.
kek weren't you the guy who believed in anything? Now that it's up against your arguments they are the most corrupt guys ever hahaha

>>66379568
>You don't have any money you clown.
kek, yes that is why our economy didn't slow when the commodities prices started to go down. Exports mean shit here

>>66379629
>It needs significant investment
No shit, those people are literally living in the fucking jungle.
>>66379643
>that is why our economy started plummeting
Have you seen oil prices lately? That might have something to do with your GDP drop in the past couple years, and the fact that China is taking a huge fucking dip as well.

>>66379643
>they are the most corrupt guys
Yes? All I was saying was that confidence in the US government is higher than in countries of the third world where corruption is more prevalent.

Are you seriously comparing the US government to fucking FIFA or the Olympic Committee? Dude be real.

>>66379633
>Yes, 23rd place in exports is pretty bad for such a huge and populous country.
In some sectors they are, in other they aren't m8. To counter that we need infrastructure and education, and for that you need a strong government with a budget towards these sectors

I wonder what happened to Stedile's army :^)

>>66379754
>Have you seen oil prices lately? That might have something to do with your GDP drop in the past couple years, and the fact that China is taking a huge fucking dip as well.
Yes, they are this way since 2014, when Russia invaded Ukraine, and because of it the government passed the oil plummeting prices deficit in Petrobras, to the gas prices and raised taxes to counter it, but it didn't give credit towards industry to raise the consumer market, therefore it was a failure, but it had everything to work like in 2008 Crisis, it was Dilma that did shit, it was because of the corruption investigations that Cunha halted the congress and stopped every Dilma measure to counterattack the crisis, resulting in a political chaos and literally disrupting our economy and our larger companies. Had Dilma accepted Cunha's deal we wouldn't be in this situation

>>66379906

Probably getting shot by farmers or dying in hunger because they can't afford food.

>>66379754
>Are you seriously comparing the US government to fucking FIFA or the Olympic Committee? Dude be real.
Yes, the US government sure doesn't do dirty tricks behind the scenes hahaha :^) I mean you can see that Hillary is going to be one hell of an honest president

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>>66379788
>we need infrastructure and education, and for that you need a strong government with a budget towards these sectors

Brazil invests more in education than South Korea and Finland combined. Remember when Globo used to show those short documentaries showing the economic success of Finland, South Korea and Taiwan after they invested heavily in education and that Brazil was going through the same path? You wanna know why they don't show those anymore?

>>66379991
Huh, very interesting.
>>66380045
>:^)
Not interesting.

>>66380075
>20% of Total public expenditure
kek that map is bullshit as hell, it's literally 6% of the GDP m8, your map solely counts as the porcentage of the everything the government expends, no wonder african countries lead that list, because their expenditure is shit
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.XPD.TOTL.GB.ZS?year_high_desc=true

>>66380075
>as a % of total public expenditure
That's probably a pretty varying number, it would likely be more representative of overall spending as a percentage of GDP.

>>66379788
In this case it would be a great idea to stop wasting so much money in welfare and other useless shit and instead focus it on education and such which is exactly what the current government is planning to do.

Also one the biggest problems is that it's pretty much impossible to open a business without being swamped by unending bureaucracy and taxation, this is the main reason why the national industry doesn't grow.

>>66379991
Dilma is the one who ignored basic economic theory put us in the crisis to begin with.
Basically she tried to keep the same fiscal policies they had like forcing low interest rates in a poor attempt at keeping the economy growing.
Pretty much any economist agrees that it was a self-inflicted crisis and had little to do with international affairs.

>>66380190
What he said wasn't true at all.

>>66380075
Jesus, how stupid a person can be...

>>66380322
>>66380327
Brazil still spends more in education than South Korea, Taiwan and Finland combined. Brazil also spends more than China and Russia. Russia has sent more than 100 human beings to space, China is the 2nd largest economy on earth.

Brazilian people are simply inferior. It's time to face reality, people of /pol/ have already faced this reality because they took the red pill.

>>66380364
>Dilma is the one who ignored basic economic theory put us in the crisis to begin with.
>Basically she tried to keep the same fiscal policies they had like forcing low interest rates in a poor attempt at keeping the economy growing.
>Pretty much any economist agrees that it was a self-inflicted crisis and had little to do with international affairs.
She literally tried to do austerity m8, and listened to the most orthodox hardliners like Joaquim Levy to solve the crisis, but she couldn't do due to the political crisis, and now Temer is doing literally the same, but instead of raising taxes right away, privatizing everything that he can until he has nothing to do but raise taxes

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>>66380364
>forcing low interest rates in a poor attempt at keeping the economy growing
That's literally what every other country is doing m8. It's pretty much the only thing a government can do to help kickstart an economy.

>>66380497
>muh achievements
>Brazilian people are simply inferior
ebin

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>>66380497
>5 years of spending 6% of our GDP in education
>Brazilian people are simply inferior. It's time to face reality, people of /pol/ have already faced this reality because they took the red pill.

HOW DARE OF YOU SPEAK NICE THINGS OF BRAZIL YOU DONT KNOW NOTHING BRAZIL IS THE SHITTIEST COUNTRY ON EARTH EVERYBODY IS BROWN LOW IQ MISERABLE COMMUNIST MONKEY THAT KILLS NEGROS AND FUCK HIV WHORES STINKING OF PISS AND SHIT BRAZIL IS SHIT 60K BR MURDER BEST DAY OF MY LIFE SHIT SHIT PISS FECES FUCK YOU I AM BRAZILIAN AND WISH I WAS ANYTHING BUT IT JUST KILL ME WITH YOUR SUPERIOR LIGHT SKIN BLONDE UBERMENSCH 300 IQ BIG WHITE DICK PLS COLONIZE USA

>>66380364
>Also one the biggest problems is that it's pretty much impossible to open a business without being swamped by unending bureaucracy and taxation
kek, you have never opened a business have you? Literally everyone in the beginning dodge taxes and literally doesn't give a fuck about bureaucracy, it's solely when you become a medium to big company that you care about this shit. No wonder the ones that complain so much about it is the FIESP guys m8

>>66380618
Except the other countries actually have a backbone to keep the growth going, with commodities losing their value the government had to act accordingly but Dilma didn't, she probably thought she could keep the bubble going until 2018 when Lula would get reelected.

>>66380505
She didn't, in 2011 she increased interest rates but soon lowered it again and kept increasing public spending, with debt only increasing during her presidency.

>>66380736
>companies are forced into clandestinity and can't grow
Thanks for proving my point.

This might interest you too: http://www.cnbc.com/2011/11/03/The-Worlds-10-Worst-Countries-for-Business.html?slide=4

Brazil is the world’s eighth largest economy, and its GDP growth in 2010 was 7.5 percent, making it attractive for foreign investment. While this economic giant provides a huge opportunity there are also several major hurdles to doing business here.

Brazil has one of the highest tax burdens of any major economy, at around 37 percent of GDP. Firms spend about 2,600 hours a year, equivalent to three and half months, filling tax forms in Brazil. Firms are charged a total tax rate of more than 67 percent, according to the World Bank, which is 20 percent higher than the average for the rest of Latin America and the Caribbean.

Another big issue facing businesses in Brazil is getting construction permits. Companies spend nearly 470 days completing 17 procedures to obtain a permit, which is over triple the time it takes on average in OECD countries.

Brazil is set to host the 2014 FIFA World Cup and the 2016 Olympics. But construction of stadiums and airport terminals for the events has been delayed amid accusations of government corruption. The country’s Sports Minister Orlando Silva is under growing pressure to resign after more evidence emerged last month that he allegedly got $23 million in kickbacks for government contracts, for himself and the ruling communist party.

>>66380940
>companies are forced into clandestinity and can't grow
kek, who said they can't grow? You are really stupid m8, it's when they grow a lot that they take care of this shit, and most of them actually do, also there is SuperSimples for microcompanies and the BNDES credit, which obviously you never heard of it so you can push you liberal FIESP crap propaganda
>posting cnbc bullcrap, about how the world should be like America and how we can't understand how shitskin countries work and how they should be more easy for our companies to exploit them
kek

>>66380940
>She didn't, in 2011 she increased interest rates but soon lowered it again and kept increasing public spending, with debt only increasing during her presidency.
I am talking about her second mandate, and yes she did increase the expending more than it was sustainable, that is why she should have raised taxes before

>>66381175
The creator of Nubank disagrees with you, he says that besides the bureaucracy there's also a sense of defeatism among brazilians.
http://epocanegocios.globo.com/Empreendedorismo/noticia/2016/10/frase-que-eu-mais-ouvi-aqui-foi-no-brasil-voce-nao-pode-diz-fundador-do-nubank.html

Literally anyone agrees that Brazil has a serious problem with bureaucracy, it's one of the least free markets in the world together with countries like Pakistan and Nigeria.

>>66381399
>The creator of Nubank disagrees with you, he says that besides the bureaucracy there's also a sense of defeatism among brazilians.
so? has the creator of the Nubank ever started a small company here? m8, in the beginning a company, especially in Brazil, has nothing literally nothing, you basically start something simply by buying and selling stuff, the Lebanese, Spainiards, Italians are experts in that shit because they have tons of contacts and friends they can rely on, and then you simply do business like that, from hand to hand, and afterwards when you become more famous and start to expand, and really need to rely on hiring people and having an actual physical location is when you start to think about taxes and other shit, and usually company hires accounters to deal with this. That is why we are highly susceptible to corruption, because we have strong ties with other people, therefore we will benefit them instead of following the law, and if we can get someone we trust in the government or other shit even better, and that is how companies expand in Brazil, from scratch. It's totally different from the Anglo/Germanic model since they rely on banks and billionaires, and laws to protect the strong and undermine the weak

>>66381648
You obviously don't know absolutely anything about laws in Brazil, I even pointed out how firms spend three and a half months just filling tax forms and there's absolutely no way that's a good thing.

If a company grows it's despite the bureaucracy, not because of it.

I know I'm being trolled but I'm simply using your retardation to point out interesting facts about Brazil's economy in case someone is interested.

>>66381807
>You obviously don't know absolutely anything about laws in Brazil, I even pointed out how firms spend three and a half months just filling tax forms and there's absolutely no way that's a good thing.
m8, nobody respect laws here, just big companies because they are forced to, and even so most of them bargain with the government because they have the power to literally fire hundred of employees and disrupt the whole economy, m8, you clearly don't know how entrepreneurship works in Brazil. These
>m-muh laws
>muh worker's rights are too strong
>m-muh it's impossible to do biz in Brazil
>m-muh bureaucracy
are literally just propaganda to put panick in people and blame the government for their problems, cause if it was really impossible to do biz in Brazil we wouldn't have private companies that are like literally one of the biggest of the world m8, like Boticário, Ambev and tons of others. I mean even Banks are strong as hell, lucrative as fuck and they do respect as these laws and bureaucracy you are complaining about kek. These guys solely want to expand their power over the country disregarding the power the government has

>>66382066
>cause if it was really impossible to do biz in Brazil we wouldn't have private companies that are like literally one of the biggest of the world m8, like Boticário, Ambev and tons of others.

This is an argument only a 12 years old kid would make.

>>66382066
http://reports.weforum.org/global-competitiveness-report-2015-2016/competitiveness-rankings/
75th place, almost as good as Iran!

Great entrepreneurship we got there.

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>>66382326
Private vs public salaries.


Our businesses are so vigorous and swimming in money!

>>66382230
>>66382326
>>66382414
Yes, yes keep showing literally no arguments, and just pointing out how wrong I am without explaining a single shit. It's simple you guys don't have a clue of how enterpreneurship works in Brazil, and try to look at the USA to understand how it works, when their culture is totally different from ours. But ok, keep on thinking it's impossible to do business in Brazil, I know who I will employ with really low salaries in the future xD

>>66382414
kek, that literally points out that business owners earn much more than the employees

>>66382512
The fuck are you talking about?
I'm pointing out how weak our private sector is in all measurable aspects while you throw fucking stupid imaginary anecdotes and "strong as hell xDD".

Feel free to prove my sources wrong with facts, because right now everything I've found directly contradicts with what you say.

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>>66382605
>I'm pointing out how weak our private sector is in all measurable aspects while you throw fucking stupid imaginary anecdotes and "strong as hell xDD".
Yes, they are so weak and fragile that they don't even have representation worldwide or in our politics, I mean it's not like Band was literally financed by São Paulo's business sphere, or that João Doria literally ascended to power in São Paulo because he has no money or power in his business despite never being into politics hahahah I mean poor rich people! They are so exploited by taxes and bureaucracy!

>>66382769
I'm done, you are beyond salvation.

>>66382512
It's harder to do business in India than in Brazil. And yet Dhirubhai Ambani created his business with 2 dollars in his pocket and today his company is larger than Odebrecht(a company famous for patronage), the largest and most important construction and engineering company in Brazil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliance_Industries

Does this means India is an entrepreneurship superpower? No retard. We don't have to give any arguments because your argument is illogical to begin with.

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>>66382815
yes, now go back to instituto liberal or MBL to reorganize you thoughts and delude yourself into thinking that what is best for business is the best for the country. I mean they know what they are talking about! They are Rich! USA is rich and prosperous due to these kind of people!

>>66382918
>Does this means India is an entrepreneurship superpower? No retard. We don't have to give any arguments because your argument is illogical to begin with.
Yes, and that is exactly what I am saying, doing business being easier or harder mean shit and it is just rationalized this way because they have the USA way of entrepreneurship as a standard, every country got a way of doing business and people if they want to become rich they should adapt to that way and learn how to do it, the problem here is obviously getting a foreign concept from a foreign culture and trying to apply into a country that has a totally different culture and mentality, that is why it's obviously going to be impossible to learn how to create a business in a place like this. And that's what people grasp to understand, and the worst is that you guys buy this propaganda of succesful entrepreneurs and business organizations to think that doing business is difficult in a place with such organizations kek, can't you see how paradoxical this is? I mean the richest and most succesful guys, telling how hard it is to do business?

>>66382946
Frouxo