Anybody else skeptical that Syrian refugees will "never

and turks are european too i assume?

If we excluded 15-40 year old males, then fine.

>>66143128
15 is a low number, i would say 20+

>>66142886
You don't need to worry, because we are only taking like 100 of them in. It's pretty funny that Europe is bearing the brunt, when we had a quite of bit to do with it.

Fucking eurocucks Amorite?

>>66142886
We should be taking the women and the children. The men should be fighting for their homeland. Fucking cowards.

>>66143175
Dog bless

>>66143175
yeah it's hilarious

>>66142886
As someone living in a country with tons of various "refugees" I can only say that no, it doesnt work. And no they will not integrate.

Europe isnt like the US, the american identity is in the citizenship, the Swedish identity (as an example) is in ones heritage.

>>66143181
>>66143128
Aight then. Take only males under 15 and females under 35 and we're good. (^:

>>66143199
>Europe isnt like the US, the american identity is in the citizenship, the Swedish identity (as an example) is in ones heritage

It's less that than one's common European background. Eastern Europeans emigrate to Western Europe and it is not a problem for them to integrate, but Syrians belong to a completely alien culture and religion.

>>66143232
You forget that Europe and the Islamic world have 1400 years of hate and bitterness that we don't have. That legacy is hard to overcome.

>>66143232
Its more about the looks I think. A black or arab person is just too non-Swedish looking to ever be considered a Swede.

Finnish immigrants almost totally assimilated into our Swedish ethnic identity and thats partly because our cultures are identical and we share a common history, but first and foremost because they blend in with their looks.

When I see an african I will always automatically know hes not Swedish, even if his language is perfect, well educated, secular etc

>>66143199

I'd imagine integration would also be stunted if there are too many of them in the first place. A family has no reason to adapt when they can associate with the same people and live the same way they did in shitholeistan.

yes i am on your side OP

the same fucking cycle repeats every time a new group of immigrants comes, everyone fears the worst but they end up integrating just fine in a generation or two

Except for the fact that most Syrian refugees aren't Syrian at all.

>>66143286
Hi xin-lee. Or are you vivek Patel?

>>66143181
eh

I don't think people have any moral duty to die for a government they don't support or for rebels they don't believe in

>>66143286

Except these muslims think that non muslims are beneath them. Most 4th generation turks in Germany only have a vocab of 500 German words

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>>66143208
here's what a 14yo shitskin looks like in sweden

>>66143286
Thats not true. Some groups do, some don't. You know gypsies have been around for centuries in Europe? Still the same plague today they were in the 1500's.

The further the immigrants are from their hosts in terms of looks, values, culture the less likely they are to integrate. Somalis are a HUGE problem here, and I really mean HUGE. Its one of those groups I would just want to kick the fuck out, they are too Alien to live in a northern european country.

You know, if the government was really concerned with Muslims coming here, they would be looking at the Saudis.

Saudi Arabia opened up a subsidy for kingdom citizens to study abroad a couple of years ago. As a result, Saudis are currently the second largest foreign student population behind the Chinese in the US. Many of these Saudi students come over as couples and proceed to have children here. Needless to say, their children receive automatic citizenship as it is their birthright.

Don't forget Saudi Arabia is trying to spread Wahhabism throughout the world. They fund the construction of mosques in numerous countries to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

>>66143320
If you are willing to live in America when its nice you should also be prepared to die for it when things turn bad

France is paying the price now for their colonial policy that Frenchness was a linguistic-cultural concept rather than a racial one and that it was possible for Nbu and Kfume to become French.

>>66143406
Well you have the same concept - speak english, work hard = Congratulations, ur american

>>66143358
In America's case, the huge mass of European immigrants in the late 1800s became assimilated into the general, undefined mass of WASP culture within 1-2 generations. On the other hand, blacks have been here as long as whites have yet they have and will always have a distinct identity and culture.

Thus while a Ukrainian might become Swedish in two generations, a Syrian will not. The most he can hope for is to retain a separate racial/cultural bubble even if he completely speaks the language and converts to Christianity.

>>66143449

No because you have to think the constitution is the best body of law in the world

>>66143472
Well...it's like Japan. A white person is too physically alien to not stand out there while a Korean (for example) could easily live there and nobody would know the difference.

>>66143406
That goes back to ancient Greece. Anyone who spoke the language was considered Greek, anyone who didn't was a barbarian.

>>66143358
>Thats not true. Some groups do, some don't. You know gypsies have been around for centuries in Europe? Still the same plague today they were in the 1500's

This was after the Nazis tried to eradicate them and the communists put them in work camps.

>>66143159
I didn't know colombien can into jokes

>>66143128
15 year olds have the bad habit of growing up. at 15 they have already ylearned to be trouble makers, just look at American ghettoes.

I'd prefer no males at all.

>>66143372
Well...basically they're trying to get troublemakers off their soil so they don't start a mass internal revolt against the kingdom which would end pretty badly for everyone concerned.

>>66143684
Yes. Just take all the females under 35.

>>66143320
They do arguably have a duty to protect th weak in traditional/conservative societies, women and children are often depicted as victims in Syria while it's mostly men reaching Europe and in such numbers as to create a gender imbalance.

Women and children would certainly adapt easier to the West and also be more likely to return as part of family reunification than men, they are also more vulnerable to violence and exploitation, both in the warzone itself and in refugee camps, finally they would be more helpful in solving Europe's demographic problem.

But apparently this is the one instance putting women first would somehow offend the sensibilities of Euro SJWs, having men form families with Syrian women is somehow evil but adding young men to the Tinder/dating pools of European women somehow empowers them.

Or maybe that would be racist as women are more likely to adopt the religion of the men they marry.

>>66143684
Unless they're really small kids who have no sense of identity yet. By 15 it's too late.

>>66142886

Dear God, I fear for you Yanks. Being cucked so hard.

>live in Hamburg
>go around with my girlfriend
>a lot refugees there
>they really smell bad and you just feel intimidated
>go to the train together for going home
>MORE REFUGEES
>girlfriend is hugging me in train since it's crowded and kisses me on the cheek
>the bystanding syr. refugees give us this look you can't describe
>I just felt a huge killerinstinct coming from them, it was a really weird feeling

I can't describe this feeling. It was just this 'Something is not right here' feeling plus their looks at us was pretty much straightforward.

I don't think most of them will ever adjustice to this western world tbqh.
And yes, even my girlfriend said later that she felt pretty uncomfortable by their stares.

>>66143781
>But apparently this is the one instance putting women first would somehow offend the sensibilities of Euro SJWs, having men form families with Syrian women is somehow evil but adding young men to the Tinder/dating pools of European women somehow empowers them

Are you stupid?

>SJWs dislike the entire idea of importing foreign women who are competition for males in Europe

Ignoring SJW propaganda, women are not a band of brothers (sisters) at all, they view other women as rivals just as men do with other men.

Having said that, Syrian women aren't as likely to become troublemakers as men and women being the passive sex are more likely to assimilate into the host society.

>>66142886
>Import millions of young males from a country with a violent culture
>Lure them with free welfare
How do you think they will integrate exactly?

>>66143992
That's not how the feminsits and women advocates in a position to influence policy think however.

>>66143960
Enjoy the real rape culture. They wont stop raping you with their eyes.

>>66143960
>schizophrenic germo coupling illness with preconceptions and projecting it on the world
I mean, definitely "fuck off we're full", but it sounds like you're overly paranoid and making shit up.

>>66144076
Merkel apparently thinks it will solve labor shortages since Germany's birthrate is extremely low and there aren't enough people to perform toilet cleaner jobs, yet she also doesn't factor in that if welfare also is offered, they will not work. Even worse the idea of importing completely alien groups of people when one could instead simply get unskilled labor from Ukraine or Romania which are much more assimilable into German society.

the more levertine parts are the most stable part of the country

Integrating people of different culture is very tough. There was a community of Serbs living in Gallipoli for centuries (1521-1920s) retaining their identity. They were then deported to Macedonia, and lost their identity within a generation, now being Macedonians.

>>66144131
No, they do not. They only see it in terms of immigrant women taking up the pool of available men from them.

What group in the US doesn't asismilate? It's only a problem in Europe.

>>66142886
We're not vetting them. We don't know who they are. About a year ago one of the leaders of ISIS said they would invade the West through a wave of refugees.

Currently in the US we have accepted ~95% sunni muslims, ~4% shia muslims, and ~1% christians. Bare in mind the shia muslims and the christians are the ones who are being killed by ISIS significantly.

>>66144233
That made obvious sense considering if they were Christians, they would not have assimilated so well into the Ottoman Empire but also because Ottoman citizenship was not based on ethnicity but practice of Sunni Islam.

>>66144246
Do Latinos and Blacks assimilate? Doesn't look so to me.

>>66144264
Have fun.

>>66144237
They're rational actors regardless

>>66144215
Meanwhile, Poles are at the border waiting for a job offer.

>>66144278

Covered in >>66143472

>>66144278
Latinos are asimilating to the US in patterns similar to previous migrant waves, what the fuck are you saying?

>>66144277
The Syrians are also mostly Muslim, and are migrating to a continent whose identity was formed by Christianity. Also what you're saying about the Ottoman Sultanate isn't entirely correct, but let's not complicate.

>>66144326
Why is there such concern about the Mexican immigrants then?

>>66143992
I'd say if anything, women are worse with that since men, even when they don't like each other, have a certain mutual respect and belief in rules of engagement. Women do not. They seek to destroy rivals as harshly as possible.

>>66144278
nah second generation latinos usually integrate pretty well, american culture and media is just too powerful

and nigger culture is basically the same as mainstream american culture at this point

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>>66144342
Because Americans are fucking biggots? That also follows in historical patterns

>>66144342
When they're not being encouraged to learn the language and sell drug/cause crime/live on welfare. All things said, Mexicans are Catholics and speak an I-E language so still far less of a problem than Mudslimes.

>>66143767
All women are OK, men over 50 are OK.

>>66144195
Welp. Up to you to believe it nor not.

>>66144168
Well. I don't think this cultural genocide is a good thing.

>>66144342
because we're willing to work for longer hours at a lower wage for their menial jobs.
If you work like a monkey you should be paid like a monkey, nobody in Mexico protest about having too much work.

>>66144353
I don't know, it seems to me that the Blacks see themselves as a separate community, or at least a community within the American community. That doesn't quite sound as full integration.

>>66144371
>>66144372
Sure, the Mexicans are a part of the Western civilization, but if they don't learn the language and don't fit in the society (making them criminals), doesn't that mean that they're not quite integrated.

>>66144400
Because we are grossly underpaid and have little job stability, not becauise we aren't overworked and management culture is not exploitative and inefficient

>>66144372
>All things said, Mexicans are Catholics and speak an I-E language

This is a specious argument because Filipinos are Catholic yet otherwise completely non-Western. Hungarians speak a non I-E language but are completely European.

>>66144413
>don't fit in the society (making them criminals)
no man, they're criminals because they enter illegally. Everyone hates illegal migration.

>>66142886
Ye cunt, we're not even getting Syrians, almost all of the "refugees" are Iraqies, Afghans, Somalis, whatever that is just using Merkels fuck-up to swarm in.

>>66144413
But they're learning the language at similar rates to other migrant groups, you hardly find second generation migrants who don't speak English and it's almost unheard of for 3rd generation.

>>66144400
>>66144445
>>66144456
Ok so I was wrong about the Latinos, but what about the Blacks?

>>66142886

Coastal Syria where the semi-civilized people are are not coming, people going to Europe are from the interior which is still in the dark ages

>>66144444
Mexico is a fucked up mix of Spanish and Indian culture but then again, religion is always a factor as well since part of one's cultural identity are the values of their traditional religion. Filipinos are otherwise not Western but being Catholic still have closer values to us than an Afghan goat herder.

>>66143286
It happens in the new world, but not in the old. Even Britain had decades of racial strife, and it's still something of an issue.

>>66144510
Ah, it's like Turkey. You have the shopping malls in Istanbul where girls walk around in yoga pants staring at their phones and then the inland which looks like Iran with burkas, clitoris chopping, sharia courts, etc.

>>66144478
The first shipment of slaves to America was in the 1620s or something so they've been here for as long as whites. But obviously physical differences means that blacks will always be a distinct ethnocultural group within the greater American culture.

>>66144478
American society is highly segregated, that's why there are black ghettos, latino ghettos or white trailer parks.
That makes people hate each other, and blame each other for all the bad stuff that happens. Also whites are highly individualistic compared to Latino or black families. They might find that particularly odd about us, I mean if we don't want to subscribe to their standard """individualist"""" values what else could we do to please their desires.

>>66144478

No they never will. It was covered in Alexis de tocqueville's Democracy in America.

It's a great read if you have the time

>>66144478
That's a different case, blacks have been in the US almost longer than all other groups and have been ghettoized into a parallel society. Latinos are half European, while their children don't always "blend in" those who intermarry will have children mostly willing to adapt to American mainstream society provided they're given the oportunity, which the considerations of the American alt right aside, does seem to be a process moving forward, especially as the US has become more de facto inclusive, eg as in the case for East Asians.

In all fairness it isn't entirely the fault of blacks tho I won't go into details on that issue.

>>66144551
>>66144510
The problem as always is Islam which is not compatible with civilization or modernity. Most of the people you talk about in the coastal areas of Turkey or Syria sipping lattes and staring at phones are secular and they don't identify as Muslims at all save for perhaps a cultural POV.

Indeed back in the 50s-60s, secularist Arab governments largely suppressed Islam as the barbaric, primitive ideology it is. It came back thanks to the Iranian Revolution.

>>66143286
>t. Pajeet or Xhi Fu
You're not in any position to speak buddy.

>>66144591
>Also whites are highly individualistic compared to Latino or black families

Don't agree. Whites tend to be far more conformo and less focused on having a good time and #swag than blacks. That can be seen in how blacks are attracted to the entertainment and sports fields and very few are accountants, businessmen, or engineers.

Syrians aren't that bad. It's the fucking Maghrebs and the fucking Afghans and Pakis that ruin everything.

>>66144641
>The problem as always is Islam which is not compatible with civilization or modernity.
t. ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE, HEGEMONIALISM IS FINE, DEATH PENALTY IS JUSTIFIED

And white individualism is more of an Anglo thing. Many white cultures such as Scandinavians are very anti-individualism.

>>66144641
No, it was Saudis exporting salafism and an intolerant brand of Islam that largely created the problem. Add to that the US favored this as a means to fight socialism during the cold war, eg the CIA training the mujahideen in Afghanistan.

Iran is not as big of a problem as it is generally made out to be, it's mostly Israeli/Saudi lobbying that has prevented the normalization of the West's ties to Iran which has led to their regime's radicalization, compared to puritanical/Islamist sunnis however the Iranians are a relatively modern, evolved Islam, theocracy and all.

>>66142886
I wonder who could be behind this post...

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>>66144764
>however the Iranians are a relatively modern, evolved Islam

>>66144828
Compared to Saudi Arabia yes

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>>66144764
>>66144828
That is real modern and liberal-minded, isn't it?

>>66144845
>>66144764
I can see that Tehran's propaganda bots are out with their proxies again.

And you thought Putinbots were bad.

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>>66144764
>the Iranians are a relatively modern, evolved Islam, theocracy and all.
>Islam being modern or evolved at all

Oh nonononono not at all. Iran has a very extreme form of Islam. In fact the guy who first converted the country to Shiism killed 1 million people in the process.

>>66142886
Fuck you. It's not about them integrating, it's about them not being wanted nor needed, at all. I don't give a shit if they're refugees and neither should you, Europe has got enough problems already without adding religious and ethnic strife to the mix.

>>66144849
That's a Saudi export you're looking at, Islam in the levant wasn't worse than conservative Christianity in the area in that it had been defanged into accepting separation of church and state

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Meanwhile in actual Iran in the actual '70s.

>>66142886
it is weird thinking of how we bitch about mexicans when europe is getting a much worst package.

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>>66144910
Yeah I'm real sure King Fahd came there and forced them at gunpoint to hang gays from execution cranes.

>>66144996
To be fair our being submerged in shit up to our necks is not gonna make your being submerged in shit up to your knees any more pleasant.

>>66144870
Not at all, I'm just being objective, I certainly wouldn't want to live under their regime (or in any Muslim majority nation at all) but the West can coexist with Iran, it cannot do so with Saudi Arabia.

There's no alternative to Obama's deal with themfor instance, if the US/NATO invades Iran it will opnly create Iraq 2.0 in a much larger scale and potentially destabilize an area that reaches from Pakistan to Morocco. The endgame for Israel and the Suadis seems clear to me, what the West and Europe will get out of this that is in any way beneficial does not.

>>66144977
Those old pics are kind of an asspull as well since the place looked like the Middle Ages outside Tehran. At least back then, the Shah didn't let the inmates run the asylum.

>>66145026
from what I've read so far, the two groups are completely different to each other.

>>66145002
No, he went there with a shit ton of money and brainwashing Islamic schools to convince them they should live the same as in Muhamad's time. And it worked, ISIS is a lot like early Muslims.

>>66144977
Yes, those pics are pretty sad, I'm just saying I respect the Russian's position that regimes like Assad's and Iran are a better alternative than the sort of fucking power vacuums in which evils like Boko Haran, the Taliban or ISIS thrive.

And fuck, are you people fucking forgetting where Al Qaeda came form? Where the fuck do you think Bin Laden originated?

Fuck off.
Europe for the europeans , Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans but north america is for everyone deal with it drumpt fags.

>>66145002
Saudi Arabia and most of the ME were pretty secular before the Iranian Revolution. In fact the entire modern problem with Islamofascism traces back to Iran. In particular the seizure of the Grand Mosque and Ayatollah Khomeni's assertion that the Saudis were blasphemers and unfit to guard Islam's most sacred shrines.

So don't let yourself be fooled by Iranian proxy bots like >>66144910

Go ahead, go to Kosovo to see how well those muslims are intergrated

>>66144889
Modern, evolved nations don't have a prime minister who say that he has to nuke Israel for the 12th Imam to return to Earth.

>>66145149
You're the on shilling here, read up on the history of the house of Saud

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

While backed in facts mine is an opinion/view, yours are factual lies. Are you Emirati Arab by any chance?

>>66144641
>Indeed back in the 50s-60s, secularist Arab governments largely suppressed Islam as the barbaric, primitive ideology it is

I guess they were mostly inspired by Kemalism.

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>>66143960
>>66144396
Protect your qt gf. What does she think of the refugee problem?

>>66145315
>While backed in facts mine is an opinion/view

The fact is that you are a proxy-using Iranian shillbot and you made posts like >>66145060 that are laughably insulting to anyone's intelligence.

>>66143374
What if your nation is fighting an unjust war or starting shit? What if there is no good or bad guy to pick (how bad would it be if it turned out the side you picked turned crazy). What if they are attacking people who you have close ties with in another nation.

Better yet what would you do if if you picked side A (because they can protect you the best or leave you alone) and they lost and now side B is killing side A supporters in a good ol' purge? What if the rebels or government are forcing kids and terns to fight for them.

That shit is never simple.

>>66145224
No, they don't, I agree, relative to Salafists however those are small potatoes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lehbd3GHH4I

>>66145146
This never made sense

>>66142886
>they must be western since they wear nike
Is there any subject in the world americans are fluent in?

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>>66145026
>>66145050

>>66145418
See >>66144641 and >>66144551

>>66142886
take a look how levantine 4chan users act in mena general

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>>66145501
>going into an /int/ general

>>66144764
>Saudi export salafism
what?

>>66142886
there all kind of syrians , tho the relegious poor ones form the biggest part of the refugees because the upper middle class in syria already at the being of the war legally immigrated to alot of countries including arab ones like Lebanon and western countries

>>66144613
I second this. Toqueville really nailed.

>>66145680
They don't?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html

Most will once they find a way for them to learn the language and skills really fast.

>>66144613
>book written in the 1820s
>back when 90% of blacks were slaves

>>66146240
Great on the situation and how it's effects over the years.

>>66146528
>>66146240
>>66144613
>>66145746
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/detoc/race/frames.html

This is the passage you're referring to and as that was written in 1835, there was a lot of stuff that happened which he didn't foresee especially >>66144353

>>66143577
lel is this bait or ignorance?