Some people say that Yugoslavia would not have fallen apart in

>>65823583
Yugoslavia could have survived the 90s if the following criteria were met:
>successful economic reforms by Markovic
>democratic elections across all of Yugoslavia for a National Assembly, rather than democratic elections within each constituent republic
>Milosevic not coming to power (being the catalyst for all other nationalisms getting out of hand)
>absence of foreign intelligence bullshit and CIA involvement with the various nationalist parties

Of course, no war would have meant no chance to commit the privatization robbery, so the elites would not have accepted such a scenario because then they wouldn't be able to get rich quick.

>>65823729
agreed, crobro. we should have all listened to based ante.

communist elites replaced one collectivist ideology, communism, for another, nationalism, to remain in power and get wealthy of our backs.

>>65823729
Yugoslavia needed to become a confederation like Slovenia & Croatia suggested.

HRE was a meme, glad we left early on and formed our own little country

>>65823836
also agreed, probably moved the capitol to ljubljana afaic
also probably shot all the traitors starting with milosevic
but yes confederation too
although technically that wasnt my question

The bavarians are the only ones to think very independent as their local culture is still very dominant while it has been forgotten to some extend or smoothened out greatly everywhere else.
Also they are the only ones to be economically so strong that they actually can back this thinking up.

In history we dont learn much to nothing about the HRE besides its name and a bit about Luther.
So theres no greater attachment.
Still, Its impact may still be felt by the gorillion of local dialelects and subdialects besides city-tongues (Only the most strongest will survive the dead of the old people) and a very wide array of different and local festivals and rites/traditions besides our State being a federacy-republic with the old borders and names being used for parting the regions and subregions so not completely centralised like the french with their provinces.

Concerning saxony and east germany in general, a much stronger factor of Division is that the DDR kept them in a cultural Vacuum for some decades among other things.

>>65823583
Yugoslavia couldn't have survived nonetheless. It was a pro russian state in the balkans and the americans quickly recruited any potential allies yugoslavia might've had in the region .

Unless it showed it was ready to be pro-american , at best you could've hoped for the disintegration of yugoslavia to be postponed for a few years.

>>65823583
Not in west germany, most kingdoms were relatively small and irelevant here. We do learn very little about the cities we live in, so we do talk about the topic, but it's not a big topic like in Bavaria for example.

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What happens there?

>>65824855
meme production center of the holy roman empire

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>>65823583
at least post a more recent map

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and now for a cup of coffee and then off to sleep hehe

>>65824229
>prorussian
dude Yugoslavia was never part of Warsaw pact, it served as a buffer state between the West and East

Once the wall fell its purpose became obsolete

>>65825905
dude yugoslavia and soviet union were becoming best friends during the 1970s and 80s

>>65825957
dude Yugoslavia was living off American loans its entire existence, it doesn't matter if Tito went hunting with Brezhnev at some point because we were never part of Eastern bloc

>>65823583
>Of course I am attached to the realm of an irrelevant monarch

Please think and then write.

>>65826019
Weltbürger bitte

>>65826007
>Yugoslavia was living off American loans its entire existence
dude kingdom of yugoslavia didn't

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>>65825878
OVO
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>>65826070
>a quarter of Slovenia under foreign occupation

it sucked

>>65826070
but it did suck flaccid French cock

>>65826046
Laut Karte bin ich aus dem Erzbistum Köln. Das ist irrelevant und kulturell nicht wirklich prägend.

>>65826129
wasn't that flaccid back then tho

>>65824855
Here is the explanation of why it's exclaved:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Senlis

Basically, it had been integrated into the Burgundian lands but the death of Charles the Bold in 1477 caused a war in which the Habsburgs managed to enforce their claim just to the HRE parts and that one county

>>65826185
it was, their task was to ensure the stability of post-Versailles Europe and they failed miserably

>>65826318
hahahahah ovooo jebem vam mater dudl dudl bre

>>65826380
Brm brm
Krm krm

Are Serbians still bitter about US involvement?

nek napravi neko novi ex-yu

>>65825905
Post-soviet yugoslavia was far more of a russian friend than a potential american ally.

On top of that , the fall of yugoslavia meant the whole balkans was in the hands on the americans , including the whole western black sea . A yugo-romanian alliance was discussed at multiple points in the past . With russia holding moldova as a trading bargain , it could've become a pro-russian block with romania,yugoslavia and bulgaria . With the backing of russia,it was sustainable. With yugoslavia gone , our only lgitimate option left was nato . Bulgaria at that points would've been between a defeated serbia , a nato romania and a nato greece so their only chance was nato as well.

That's why the americans made sure the craiova group was at most a loose friendship and never a real alliance/group .

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>>65826507
>nek napravi neko

that sounds vaguely sexual in Slovene tho

>>65823583
Regionalism is pretty strong in Germany and Austria compared to other European nations. You'll see tons of city and regional flags everywhere if you go there.

>>65826622
that's cause it's officially supported and initiated to emphasise political continuity with previous German states.

>>65826477
There's still butthurt retards but generally no one gives a shit anymore, Kosovo was a lost cause way before 90s and Milosevic only fucked things up
>>65826564
post-Soviet Yugoslavia wasn't even Yugoslavia anymore, it was a meme country run by a mob

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>>65826719
So you don't hate the other city because it was the part of another lords realm ?

>>65826719
It's officially supported but it is also rooted in German history and culture. Germany is very decentralised for a large country, I think it has more relevant cities than any country in Europe. I could give like twenty German cities just off the top of my head but couldn't tell you more than three in France or Russia without having to think about it.

>>65826744
It's really hard to tell on /int/ beside I've seen a few Serbs just go off anytime it's mentioned. What about the older generations?

>>65826839
So you really don't hate each other ? Sometimes you hate people because they are on ther wrong side of a river

>>65826893
What are you referring to, England?

>>65826794
Not quite, but our football fans used to hate one another and we like to make fun of Styrians for their accents.

>>65826931
No I mean like the Rhein. People from the western side mocking the others and the other way around. Or people from Düsseldorf hating cologne.

>>65823729
>no chance to commit the privatization robbery

My dear friend, it happened everywhere and there was no need for war. The best thing you could've done was to sell those few almost decent companies you had to some Westerners.

>>65827051
We didn't until the latest recession, and that's the reason why we're ahead of you economically.

>>65826875
most Serbs on /int/ are complete autists.

Younger generations vary from pro-Russian Putin-worshiping dregs of society, to pro-Western liberal NGO-supporting faggots and degenerates.

I would rather not pick a side as i hate them both.

Older generations are generally old-school commies and mentally still live in Yugoslavia.

>>65827226
Everything comes in moderation.

>>65827259
True but there's no moderation here, everything is in extremes

>>65825433
Niederlande im Deutschen Bund

>>65827334
Join something to piss everyone off like converting to Islam.

It was a good idea, but almost all nations had their own sense of nationalism.

>>65827392
meh, Muslims in Serbia are chill. They didn't chimp out even during the wars, nobody gives a shit about them.

Talking about slavshit Muslims obviously, not Albanians

>>65827137
>why we're ahead of you economically

You're like two Prague's worth of people though.

>>65827514
Why did you slaughtered each other again ?

>>65827551
Butthurt

>>65823583
well franconians somewhat feel sad about that the franconian duchy or the franconian Reichskreis does not exist any more basically because now Franconia is divided between Baden-Würtemberg, Thüringen, a small part of Hessen and Bavaria.
also bavarians do like to neglect the maintainance of the Franconian infrastructure etc. . Also the culture is quite different

>>65823583
>that netherlands and helvetia
lol get fucked krauts

>>65831435
We have had our own identity 300 year before 1648 already