Why are Russians ok with a dictator? Should Russia break up

>>65762438
>break up into smaller and more manageable countries
this is a retarded idea famalam, smaller =/= better
moldova isnt a utopia yet switzerland is.
it has nothing to do with size

>>65762438
>Should Russia break up into smaller and more manageable countries?
you should hang yourself

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>Why are Russians ok with a dictator?

Did I just see a paradox?

>>65762577

This basically.

He is not a dictator. We are able to travel, to think what we want to think, to get a job we want and etc. But if gay marriage is democratic, I'm ok to live with dictatorship.

>>65762438
Why is everyone always complaining about
>le Russian dictator
while Merkel is exactly the same? She's been chancellor for 12 years now, will try to get elected next year for another 4 years.
>even longer than Putin?

And you can't do shit against anything her government decides.
>just like Putin

Putin got elected the same way she did.

>>65762914
Why are germs ok with Merkel?
Just hang the bitch already.

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>>65762577
This. Russia should fuck off from Asia and the Caucasus.

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>>65762826
>to think what we want to think

>>65762914
>while Merkel is exactly the same?

FUCK OFF

Merkel is tolerant and loving, she is the epitome of the Western Culture.

>>65762826
>He is not a dictator.

Putin is going to die as President of Russia. He's never going to go away.

>>65762826
You still don't have the freedom to criticize your elected officials, but hey, still better than it was 40 years ago. :^)

>>65762826
There is actually no gay marriage in Germany. It's interesting that you hate a specific group of people that normally cause no harm.

>>65763185
So? Almost all Russian rulers ruled until they death.

>>65763256

They have the freedom to. But don't be shocked when they turn up dead.

>>65762438
>Brazil
>Talking about foreign politics

>>65762438
It will, eventually.

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>>65762914
>Putin got elected the same way she did.
I'm not so sure.
Also I doubt that opposition is illigel in German like it is in Russia.
Remember Boris Nemcov?

>>65763256
Interesting.

Please give me an example of you doing that shit there?

>>65763309
W-what?

>>65763315
>So? Almost all Russian rulers ruled until they death.

And those were monarchs and dictators. Putin is a dictator.

>>65763256
We still can not offer job to womens and niggas just becouse they womens and niggas.

>>65763309
>you hate a specific group of people that normally cause no harm.
Shit in my toilet doesn't harm me, but I still don't like it. Get it?

>>65763346
Just what he said. Germany does not have fag marriage. You can look it up for yourself.

>>65762577
you say this like Switzerland is huge

>>65763185
He will be replaced by Shoigu in 2018

>>65763355
Maybe. But he is extremmely far from Pol Pot, Stalin or Hitler.

>>65762826

t. Construction worker

What about the media you ass? What about the people he is stepping over? Controlling everything? Sure you are okay with it because you won't ever have to deal with him.

>>65763405
Why so you don't like them ?

>>65762577
>this is a retarded idea famalam
To that retarded, they've got pretty diverse regions there.
FFS one fo their republic is trying to brake off as islamic emirat.

>>65763329
Boris Nemtsov wasn't real opposition, he was oligarkh cuck

>>65763450
>>65763256
>>65762826
It's not really possible to have Stalinism anymore thanks to modern technology and globalized economics.

>>65762914

What a waste of life. Comparing Merkel to Putin... Mein Gott. Ignorance is bliss, i think?

>>65762438
>Why are Russians ok with a dictator?

Communism doesn't work any other way

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>>65763490

>>65763490
Nobody would have anything against gays if they kept it to themselves, the problem is when their sexuality is turned into a political weapon.

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>>65762438
y'know communsim

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>>65763551
You're Right, comparing Putin to Merkel is just unfair to the guy.

>>65763582
To be fair they don't do that all the time. Normally they don't stick out of the mass. I know one. Bisexual and one gay person and they dislike this kind of behaviour.

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I see that the casual people don't have anything against a dictator because they don't see further than their evening meals or just getting married.
They simply don't care that the justice system is broken, or that the pensions are stolen, or that the media is controlled by one tycoon... they don't care if putins cousin hits 3 children with his 200k mercedes and won't get jailed.. the casual people are okay with it because
>muhhh patriotism
>muhhh anti-western

Sometimes i think, you just deserve your miserable life.

>>65763720
On the good side, the younger generation in Russia is getting gradually less brainwashed...although it also means most of them would rather emigrate to Western countries than fix their (quite possibly) unfixable shithole.

>>65763793
>Russia is getting gradually less brainwashed
hahahaha no.

>>65763720

It's because they don't know. People are what you put into them. The television media is all controlled by the state. Total death grip on information. That's why they're so god damn patriotic. It's the information they get.

>>65763793
They've gone to corrupt. Once you get lost into that rabbit hole there is almost no going back. I mean you can easily bribe anyone in a position of power there and it is quite normal.

>>65763793
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/young-russians-never-knew-the-soviet-union-but-they-hope-to-recapture-days-of-its-empire/2014/06/09/66a3e1a4-684a-4ab8-9261-04b7d1b59dad_story.html
>Eighteen-to-24-year-olds — the youngest group among 1,600 people surveyed in late May — backed Putin more than any other age bracket, at 86 percent
>On campuses, anti-Putin students and faculty members are not only outnumbered, but they face the prospect of being harassed or sidelined for their opposition views

>>65763720
>or that the media is controlled by one tycoon
Let me tell you something. All the media (no matter what country we are talking about) is controlled by SOMEONE. The difference between us is that you can talk about shit, that we can't and vice versa.

>>65763865
Not true btw

>>65763865
Does anyone under 45 actually watch TV though. Nobody in Poland does anyway.

>>65763927
I would rather have a well-meaning amateur than a corrupt expert.

>>65763910
First of all you're right. But it's often too obvious in Russian media.

>>65763720
>They simply don't care that the justice system is broken, or that the pensions are stolen, or that the media is controlled by one tycoon... they don't care if putins cousin hits 3 children with his 200k mercedes and won't get jailed
No, people just convinced that it's all because of the west, that want to prevent Putin from building stonk russia. If you disagree = you're a traitor and also a west's bad guy, "go to your dirty europe", as they say. I don't know how, but authorities put this shit very deep in people's minds.

>>65763921
No, let him tell you about your country. He knows more about Russia than you.

>>65763345
Americans openly talking about assassinating their leaders and nobody bats an eyelash, except for "shocked" reactions from media.

>>65762438
>Should Russia break up into smaller and more manageable countries?
Only because Russians are ok with a dictator?

Actually they are ok with him because they fear their country will break like USSR.

But I'm ok with that idea, but you must take ll the break away countries into EU.

>>65763994
you would rather have a banana than a pair of legs.

>>65763927

How old are you, dare i ask you?

He has the charachter of a leader without it he wouldn't have come this far but that's it. He has oratorical skills to brainwash people without any chritical thinking, which he manages greatly, as i see from your triggered comments.

Let me ask you something.
Just guess that tomorrow is the worlds lotto day and you can choose to move to Germany or to Russia. Where you move to?

I have tons of friends that speak shit against western Europe and USA and defend the 'glourious' mother Russia.... yet they live here. KEK.

BTW, if you say that you are between 14-16 then i won't have anything against you thinking this way.

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>>65764179
Why not both?

>>65762438
>Why are Russians ok with a dictator?
Because Russia cant be ruled by a non-dictator. Also he is absolutely based
>Should Russia break up into smaller and more manageable countries?
Nice try Shlomo

>>65763865
I'm sitting on 4 chan

Putin isn't really that bad at the end of the day considering there's actual insane people in Russia who want to revive Stalinism. Which would be very bad for my country and yours.

>>65764009

Someone with critical thinking. I salute you, bro.

>>65763329
>boris nemcov
Ex minister of energy, ex vice prime minister, ex governor of Novgorod.

During him our country defaulted.

>>65763865
>muh television
knok-knok. Russia has an internet access.

>>65764299
It's sad that the Russian communist party is actually one of the strongest in the country.

>>65764207
>I have tons of friends that speak shit against western Europe and USA and defend the 'glourious' mother Russia
I suppose that's because of current migration crisis. We don't know where it will lead in several decades, maybe your friends actually will move to Russia(not really, because russia is pretty shitty to and have it's own problems that will lead to bad future, but anyway, just my thoughts)

>>65764009

This is the same mentality with the turks right now, btw. This is why i don't take any serious comments from people with Erdogan or Putin on their profile pics kek.

>>65764348
But isn't the majority of Russians bad at English? I think most of them would only consume Russian information on the web.

>>65764389
When all soviet babkas die then this party stops exist

>>65764389
>>65764299
Russians on /int/ have told me that the current communist party are mostly social democrats and only a few old senile nutcases actually still believe in totalitarianism.

Also see earlier point on how modern technology and globalism means that Stalinism really isn't possible anymore in this day and age.

>>65764484
It's true
>>>>>65764513

>>65764207
It's not really that simple to just compare 2 countries like that.

Even if Russia and Germany had absolutely same quality of life people would still pick germany over russia, because most people just don't like cold weather.

A lot of Russians emigrate to warm asian countries, like Thailand or Vietnam, where they live by renting their flats in russia.

>>65764484
Yes it is, but majority also thinks that west is our foe, so they wouldn't read anything political or social in english anyway.

>>65764484
You want to say all the Russian web-sites are controlled by Putin as well?

>>65764207
I'm 29 and I'm not moving anywhere.
Try to learn something about the guy before you start talking, and it sounds like you're reading fucking New York Times.

He's almost 70. He has no fucking like life. his wife divorced him, because her works so much he often goes to bed in three in the morning.
He's so busy, other presidents and PM's have to wait hours beyond appointed time to actually talk to him. When some really bad shit goes down, he goes there. Is it for publicity? Impressive effort to fly 6 hours to bumfuck - Siberia in the middle of the night just to drive up approval ratings.
Putin isn't a good person. He's a machine. He doesn't seem to like entrusting other people with important matters, because he's probably afraid they will fuck it up, and this will be probably his undoing, because if it's true, then when he's gone, all those sleepless nights, all that effort will be in vain.

>>65764513
I don't think so. There pretty much dirty-panties among younger people, at least on porasha

>>65762438
He isn't dictator, he is a cowardly narcissistic princess.

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>>65764628
even 2ch

WHY DID RUSSIANS INVADE BRCHAN

NOWHERE IS SAFE FROM THESE IMPERIALIST PIGS

>>65764628
No but is it hard to get critical information about your country when the only source of information are your fellow countrymen.

>>65764716
BRICS based on sharing

>muh democracy
When a democracy is stupid enough not to stand up, then it is good! But when an authoritarian state declares: "you do not plunder our people any longer neither from the inside nor the outside", then that is bad.

>>65762438
It's in their blood. Compare it to heroin addiction. They're physically addicted to absolutism.

And the rampant corruption inherent to Russian society makes democracy impossible, so it is the natural choice.

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>>65764628
Everything and everyone he disagrees with is controlled by Putin.

>>65764571
>Even if Russia and Germany had absolutely same quality of life people would still pick germany over russia, because most people just don't like cold weather

As shitty as it is, Ukraine actually has pretty good party scene thanks to warm weather and Black Sea beaches. humans evolved in Africa originally, we're wired to like warm weather and sunshine. you're not a fucking reindeer.

>>65764746
We have some guys who tell opposite of what authority says, but no one gives a fuck. Someone have a mansion that costs like some region month's budget? Meh, at least they didn't take something mine(money in a budget not people's own, great job propaganda).

>>65764814
Who thinks the SPD is controlled by Russia ?

>>65764814
I'd be more wary of cia shills than putin shills but hey, putin is evil because muh gay marriage

>>65764941
Poles

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>>65763450
Hitler as democratially elected though

>>65764746
>but is it hard
It's not. We are very self criticized. Do you remember Stalins cult of personality? Read about De-Stalinization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-Stalinization

>>65764927
>Someone have a mansion that costs like some region month's budget?
All these people go to jail now. 90s is over.

Oh my god. Be gay if you want so but wtf, why do you need marriage this is stupid

>>65762914
>comparing the centrist Empress of Europe to the fat drunk dictator of Bumfuck, Nowhere

>>65765009
We basically have the same with the nazis. I would still recommend you to gather your information from different places with different positions.

>>65763528
Putin is the oligarkh khukh

>>65764651

Thank you for your offer. I will. But i will ask you as well to read about him before 89'. Before their ''darzhavnaja sigurnost'' or whatever was still under control. Their secret police took over, can't you see it? They just privetized everything. Killing and fighting everyone who opposed them so they can reach to the power. Taking from your right, from your money, can't you see this, bro? Because their secret police controlled your secret police and they took it all.
As i said, he posses qualities. But it doesn't make him greater or better then the western world.
I don't give a fuck if he looks manly and charming, really.

>>65765073
>american education

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>>65765053
Rude

>>65764571
>because most people just don't like cold weather

Or the enormous geographical distances.

Putin is a great president.
Jelly desu.

>>65765055
Cuz marriage give social profits, for example you can attends your spouse at hospital if he feels very bad, you can have common property etc. I don't know much about marriage, but this is what comes to mind.

>>65764845
All that goes into explaining why Italy and Spain have very low suicide rates while Iceland's is very high.

>>65765157
t. Ushat Pomoev

>>65765055
your country will have a DEMOCRATIC gay marriage state whether you want it or not and YOU WILL LIKE IT

It isn't just propaganda, the Russians know their own history. They harbor the same siege mentality that Chinese and Israelis also do. These people were all brutalized 70 years ago and they've resolved never to let themselves be bullied again.

Westerners can't comprehend this because they've been at the top of the food chain for so long that they've taken their peaceful lives for granted. For the Russkies, Chinamen, and Jews, they know that peace is hardwon and that it must be maintained through force. At least that's what it seems like.

>>65763309
Isnt that like germanys thing

>>65765006
Hitler was not democratically elected and the NSPAD has never received a majority of votes.

>>65765208
In Germany they have this benefits but it isn't called a marriage. They also can't marry in a church and stuff.

>>65765208
Faggots don't have committed relationships, just degenerate sex with hundreds of partners.

>>65765287
*NSDAP

>>65765118
A-as you wish s-senpai

>>65765288
And they still want to have a marriage like normal people or they ok with that?

>>65765001
Don't get me wrong, I kinda like Putin. He's undoubtedly a capable guy.

But when I think about the rest of Russian society, I always have to think about Gogol's "Nevskij Prospekt", where you can see from the type of clothes and sideburns a citizen is wearing, what rank he has and whether you should move from the sidewalk to let him through or vice versa.

And it is no secret that corruption is rampant. That is why your society will always be crippled, so praising Putin is the only option left, he's the only trustworthy guy.

>>65765287
You are wrong on both subjects.

1.Google Reichstagswahl 1933
2.The chancellor was named by the president Hindenburg, he was elected democratically

>>65764804

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo

>>65765290
>just degenerate sex with hundreds of partners.
sound like an average russian women, whi would have thought, right?

>>65765260
That Russian siege mentality goes much further back than WWII. Besides, that's not an excuse because we've been brutalized too many times to count yet we don't think totalitarianism is the answer.

>>65765001
Or that story by Chekov, about two old friends meeting each other again. All goes well until the other says he actually got promoted to general. Suddenly the friends demeanor changes to extremely slimy and sucking up, and he is unable to talk with his promoted friend in a normal way anymore.

Russians today haven't changed much, communism was just a ruse, Russians are more class-conscious than the English.

>>65765399
Actually most of them don't absolutely want that it is also named marriage. Just I minority I would say.

>>65765404
Surprisingly, that's mostly right. The alternatives to Putin are either shittier, or, well, are Putin anyway.

>>65765453
based Zizek

>>65765440
>1.Google Reichstagswahl 1933
43.9% is not the majority.
>2.The chancellor was named by the president Hindenburg, he was elected democratically
That's the point. Hitler was not elected into office, he was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg.

smug putin > disappointed putin

>>65765577
The thing you must understand is that Russia pre-revolution never quite developed a real state nationalism. You had an upper class who considered themselves Europeans and a semi-Asiatic peasant population who didn't.

>>65765290
Njet

>>65765633
That's because of brainwashing. Authorities have made a situation when there can't be ruler who is known and good. But people turn it all around and say
>The alternatives to Putin are either shittier, or, well, are Putin anyway.
like Putin is a solution, not a cause.

>>65765792
Peasants considered themselves slavic

>>65762438
>Why are Russians ok with a dictator?
Because they are stupid people.

>Should Russia break up into smaller and more manageable countries?
Honestly, Yes. Russian "people" and and security of the world will be the better.

>>65765724
It is an majority. I think you meant an absolute majority.

Yes he was appointed but he also had the most stable government together with the DNVP. Also the Zentrum supported him on certain things.

>>65765857
There were viable alternatives to Putin, but they all died in unfortunate "accidents".

>>65765724

Other Anon.

It is the majority withinin the people who have voted, which counts as up until today. Which makes him the legally, democraticly elected Kanzler.

>>65765921
There was no real alternative desu

>>65765792
It might be safer to say that Russia is a European country that never left the Middle Ages seeing as to how they never had the Renaissance or the Reformation. The result being an ignorant, hyper-religious peasant population whipped into obedience by the nobility.

>>65765895
It's me again. Hitler had the absolute majority together with the DNVP as coalition partner.

>>65765857
Well, that's precisely the point. The really good alternatives are not there, since yaaaaay corruption and yaaaay oligarkhs.

>>65765990
We left middle ages without Renaissance due to 1920s industrialization desu

>>65766032
You forgot the Mafia. Or are the oligarchs and the Mafia the same ?

>>65765260
They have been through so much shit in the 20th century. They just want stability even if their corrupt leaders are drawing money away. As long as life is not endangered they don't care.

>>65762438
It's not about how people govern, it's all about what they do when they are in charge.

Russians are okay with putin because he does his job, he takes care of russian international interests

I am quite sure europeans wouldn't give a fuck if they were still being ruled by "authoritarian states" as they were a hundred years ago if the guys in charge would still be defending their interests instead of taking care of foreigners as they were more important than the people they were suppose to represent in power.

I can't see why you didn't mention the european union, though.
They are way worse than putin, only with better economical prospects.
They're dictators too. They are not elected democratically and they have absolute power over virtually all member states.

Democracy is fallacy. There's no such thing.
Therefore, the most important thing is not the kind of government, it's what the people in charge do for their people.

And by that train of thought, I do believe putin is a better guy than any western leader, if I have to say the truth.

>>65766087
In 90s the mafia became the oligarchs.

>>65766087
They steales money in 90s to make their business in 00s desu

>>65765893
>Because they are stupid people

like I'd said, the common excuse from vatniks is that Russia needs dictators or it would fall apart and get invaded by everyone yet we've been Europe's punching bag since hundreds of years invaded and raped by everyone but we still don't think dictatorship is an answer to anything. there are countries like India that were invaded and raped by everyone for millenia yet it's a democracy.

there's more likely some peculiar genetic defect in Russians that makes them crave a tyrant emperor.

>>65762438
>Why are Russians ok with a dictator?
I've often wondered that. There's got to be a cultural component that encourages authoritarianism.
>inb4 whatabout...
Ok.

>>65765990
Nah, I wouldn't say that. The "hyper-religious" part is a relatively recent thing, with all the attention the orthodox church is trying to get. "Whipped into obedience" - right, sort of. >>65766087
Well, the line is so blurred you can't really tell.

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Russia doesn't have a "better choice" because Putin just assassinates anyone who tries to break away from his personality cult.

It's not a lack of choice, it's a lack of chance.

>>65766059
What has a late industrialisation to do with the Renaissance?

>>65763473
What is wrong with construction workers, you bourgeois faggot?

>>65766165
>here's more likely some peculiar genetic defect in Russians that makes them crave a tyrant emperor.
It's called a brainwashing.

>>65766165
Your president haven't any chances to become dictator just because he died

>>65766134
Dictatorships are never an answer to anything unless you're edgy /pol/ teenager who's never actually had to live in one.

>>65762438
Because we want them to have a dictator. Simple as that.

>>65765895
>>65765931
>>65766030
Hitler himself was not elected. He lost to Hindenburg in 1932.
Parliamentary election =/= presidental election

>>65766137
>>65766147
>>65766186

Can't Putin just fuck them over and take their stuff or is he also a part of them ?

>>65766186
>Nah, I wouldn't say that. The "hyper-religious" part is a relatively recent thing, with all the attention the orthodox church is trying to get
I'm talking pre-revolution times.

>>65765792
I know, I value Spengler's views on Russia too.

>>65765885
True, but the bourgeoisie was also Slavic, it was just petrinism who were the ancestors of the zapadniki. And this is what Spengler pointed at, Russian society has always been divided between zapadniki and slavophiles. There either is a naive admiration of (Western) Europe, or a deeply ingrained dislike of it.

I'm not taking sides here for either of them. Just pointing out an outspoken presence of these extremes. Yet the modern zapadniki have lost a lot of credit, not especially thanks to Putin, although he is very good at pointing out the weakness of the West, which indeed borders degeneracy today, but also because the 1990s have sobered up many people's hopes and aspirations by orienting themselves to the West.

>>65765893
Russians are many things, but not stupid.

>>65766286
No one talked about the presidency tbqh.

>>65766288
>or is he also a part of them
pretty much this. they're just very good organised nowadays.

>>65766310
>Russian society has always been divided between zapadniki and slavophiles.
That was mostly nobility. Ordinary peasants don't gives a shit

>>65766288
Well, both yes and no. Yeah, we have the occasional oligarkh going to prison or fleeing the country, but it is still a part of the government, which is corrupt as fuck.

>>65766236

Nothing. My father used to be one. But as every other construction worker he had a limited opinion on stuff. Not like i am not respecting the people.

Perhaps.. being a bit more openminded?

>>65766260
It has been to Rome, to napoleonic france, to the european union itself.

Are you really falling to that "democratic" fallacy?
Do I have to mention that if "democracy" takes over without a proper cultural background behind it in order to maintain it healthy enough for it to thrive (i.e. ancient greece) it always ends up like sweden?

Putin is keeping his country away from degeneracy and preventing shit like that from happening to his people.
If defending what he's doing makes me "an edgy /pol/ teenager" then I can proudly say I am one, my friend.

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>>65765140
What should I read? That he was stuck in East Germany all the way until 89? That he went to St. Petersburg uni and stayed there until 91 putsch?
That he quit the KGB right after '91 putsch and went to work in administration with Mayor of St. Petersburg?
That he got into Moscow politics eventually, doing this and that. In 98 they appointed him head of FSB (former KGB).
That when he was appointed prime minister (5th in two years), Yeltsin was already serving second term, one foot in grave and Kremlin was already ruled by mafia? And don't take this as some shadowy influence, those guys were literally hogging the place, the Kremlin, they fucking sat there and dictated terms.
This stopped happening when Yeltsin handed over the keys.
How the fuck?
Well most likely Putin as a former head of FSB made some calls and cleaned the house, so yeah, people were most likely dying, but not exactly people I feel sorry for.

But when people say Putin stole trillions and he's got palaces and yachts, I just laugh.
Guy is gonna work himself do death, what does he need a palace for? Billions? Not even you believe he's going to retire, that he's gonna be president for life, so what the fuck does he need billions in bank if he already lives in a literal gold plated mansion, has personal limo, personal jumbo jet, personal army, etc?
Why does he need those things when he's gonna die behind that fucking desk?

What sense does it make?
I will tell you. The "Putin is a richest person in the world" and "he robs russians left and right" memes are mirrors of both western and russian societies.
Westerners can't believe there would be an honest person in a country which literally wed its daughters abroad to escape poverty.

Russians can't believe there would be a person who doesn't want to bend them over.

>>65766288

Nah, they fucked each others asses. Putin and his friends are now on the top. Under friends i mean.. minor Oligarchs.

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>>65766467
>Putin is keeping his country away from degeneracy and preventing shit like that from happening to his people.

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>>65766467
>Putin is keeping his country away from degeneracy and preventing shit like that from happening to his people.

>>65766535
Show me your sources that say otherwise, my gender studies graduated friend

>>65766371
Slavophiles were people like Dostoyevsky that romanticized the peasant village life based around the Orthodox Church and though somehow that liberalism and the French Revolution were the work of atheist Jew Freemasons to corrupt Holy Russia. Zapadniki were the guys who (somewhat correctly) believed that the country was a backwards medieval shithole.

>>65766165
Well you might also be Slavic, but you are in essence much more European then they are. And always have been throughout history. In fact you are the heirs of what was considered the European shared morals and values of yesterday (before the West succumbed to modern sjw leftism). And this will be more apparent in 50 years or so.

Personally I have high hopes for Poland. Slavic people are so to say the youngest brand of Indo-Europeans, if we are to follow Spengler's definition.

While Russians adopted a Central-Asian culture at its core (even squatting, although a habit of the underclass, is taken from Asian peoples), Poland always adopted core European values, some of which are lost today in the West. It also explains the Polish vehement clinging to Roman catholicism.

>>65766592
LOLno. Russia is completely degenerate shithole where 80% of population are alcoholic, 40% heroin addict, 40% of women work as prostitute, one of world's largest producers of CP.

>>65766467
>and preventing shit like that from happening to his people.
he is also preventing people from good economy, manufacturing, quality of life etc, what a president! Our cities look like shit, cuz all money are stolen. We don't really produce much, but we can. We don't invent anything, smart ones escape this country and live in the US or EU.

>>65766341
>>65766371
>>65766449
>>65766528

That's not fair. Why can't Russia have a decent government for once ? I mean you guys literally never had a decent government.

>>65766657
I already covered that in >>65765990

>>65766684
Gotta love those completely legit numbers.

>>65762438
>Why are Russians ok with a dictator?

Because they don't want to be torn into 1000 little countries?

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Why are ruskies so good at chess?

>>65766714
Rurik's government was pretty based

>>65766275
This. You don't realize how useful it is to have them weakened.

>>65766684
>where 80% of population are alcoholic, 40% heroin addict, 40% of women work as prostitute, one of world's largest producers of CP.
This is exaggerated. You don't need to imagine your own statisitcs, like femenists, to show that russia isn't good. You can use real statistics.

>>65766714
You'd have to genocide 80% of the population, then maybe chop off all churka, Siberian, and other Asian people territory and have smaller Russia centered around European part of country and it might be viable idea.

>>65766714
Dunno, really. The fall of the Sovien Union gives some ideas, though, when former communists suddenly became democrats, nationalists, and everyone else just so they don't lose their cushy seats.

>>65766334
What else are you talking about?
>Hitler lost to Hindenburg in 1932
>However, Hindenburg appointed Hitler as chancellor of Germany in 1933
>Hindenburg died in 1934 -> Hitler gained full power
Hitler being democratically elected as the chancellor of Germany is a myth. Just google it.

What's with all the boipussy in this thread?
Really that much gay love?
Funny to see how people bend backwards just to defend homosexuals.

>>65766684
>>65766697
I do see that economics are a problem during his regime, but otherwise everything would be just fine in the long run.

Economics are not everything, when the west finally collapses you will suddenly realize that

Russia and eastern europe will be the only places in europe where civilization will have a shot to thrive once again
Western europe will be as fucked up as brazil and most people getting tired of all the shit their politicians would have brought to them will decide to leave and have a normal life away from all the crap that's currently being built by authoritarian bureaucrats undemocratically elected in brussels

>>65766714
People are still too stupid to get one, maybe someday they'll learn. If it won't be too late.

>>65766768
Just googled that guy because I had no idea who this is.

Also kek

>>65766772
>>65766275
Dictatorships however end up creating more political instability. Democracy is best thing you can do for peace and reduced chance of war.

>>65766684
That's true
we have heroin automats on the red square so everyone can have some heroine on the street, it's pretty conveniently

>>65766908
Boyaryshnik vending machines are now a thing, though.

>>65766768
That was before the Mongol conquests. Pre-Mongol Russia was no different than the rest of medieval Europe, really, but that ended up instilling in them Asiatic, un-European cultural norms. Also it cut Russia off from Europe for long enough that it completely missed the Renaissance et al.

>>65766845
>Russia and eastern europe will be the only places in europe where civilization will have a shot to thrive once again
That's what our authorities want you to believe. Everything will be good, but not now buddy, keep working and give us your money. But in real life russia is like western europe with fucking HUGE corruption and more conservative(in bad sence).

>>65766885
>Democracy is best thing you can do for peace and reduced chance of war.

Not if you are a country like Russia or China. Heck, most people don't even oppose the regime.

Btw I see democracy here. It's black and rapes you at train stations.

>>65766845
>eastern europe will be the only places in europe where civilization will have a shot to thrive once again
actually we will be pretty fucked ourselves, because our economies fully depend on rampant western consumerism.

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Because he keeps impotent and sterile "moderate" opposition on a short leash. This creates an illusion of democracy while keeping general populace uninterested in politics - why go vote for parties that had same leaders for 20 years, never won anything and never done anything of note?
Recent elections were least popular in Russian history for example, people just don't give a fuck about politics anymore.
As soon as an oppositional figure that doesn't belong to these controlled parties get any traction it gets shut down with extreme prejudice.
Also Russian opposition (controlled and not) is fucking retarded - they constantly bicker and fight against each other like they have something to fight over. All of them are exactly the same oligarch cockpuppets and I wouldn't trust them with ruling the country any more than I would trust Putin.

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>>65766975

What can you tell me about the Moscow business center? Is it build with blood money as well?

>>65766837
It is not like Hitler took the power with force (at first). He was not elected yes but he was appointed by the elected president who followed the constitution. Hitlers party also was the one with most votes and the only one that could form a stable government with the DNVP. Everything followed the current laws of the constitution there.

>>65766684
Mind you also that the ruling class of Russia have never had any real concern for the commoners' lives and well-being. As long as Putin and his friends get rich from oil, nobody cares about the degeneracy and low quality of life average Ivan has.

>>65766757
Not ruskies, but joos.

>>65767024
It's pretty cheap

>>65766972
>le mongol golden horde meme
stahp please, it was invented in late 18th century by 2 german historians

>>65766983
>Btw I see democracy here. It's black and rapes you at train stations

I know, I know. Democracy and capitalism are all just evil Jewish plot to corrupt the Aryan race and if only we had more lebenschraum (say, in the land to the east of us) everything would be good.

Never change, Niemcy.

>>65767143
He's edgy let him be.

>>65767034
>Everything followed the current laws of the constitution there.
Yes I'm not denying it. There were flaws in the system that allowed Hitler to take power. However, it's safe to assume that the (absolute) majority of the population didn't actually want Hitler.

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>>65767024
It's kinda cute. Khamovniki is the real evil

>>65762438
>Why are Russians ok with a dictator?
idk
>Should Russia break up into smaller and more manageable countries?
yes

>>65766647
>Slavophiles were people like Dostoyevsky that romanticized the peasant village life based around the Orthodox Church

Of course then the peasant village culture was completely destroyed by communism anyway.

Bottom line is that Russia is poor and the people mostly are pretty dumb as dirt and a poor, ignorant people will never be free, only slaves.

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>>65767024
Moscow isn't russia, believe me.

>>65767187
I would agree to you, like you said he lost against Hindenburg yet his party seemed to mobilise the majority of the voters. The topic is clearly not an easy one.

>>65766885
That is literally my point. Why on earth would we want our enemies to be stable? That's retarded.

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>>65767288
>the people mostly are pretty dumb as dirt
No, they're on par with Germany.

>>65767305
I'm so glad i don't live in Russia now

Why is Brazil a kleptocracy? It should be broken up into smaller and more manageable countries 2bh

>>65766975
>>65767000
My point is that both the EU and Russia have authoritarian kinds of government.

The only difference is that the EU is fucking up its own demographics with the premise of creating better economic prospects, while Russia is currently doing the exact opposite, it's getting its act together and suffering economic problems in order to maintain its country the way it was before globalism.

Guess what, the economic prospects western europe is currently betting will cost them a huge demographic price, because they are changing demographics and its eurozone will be forever changed to an extend it never faced before in its whole history.
So there will be poverty in the next 70 years.

While Russia will still be Russia, and will be okay while the west will be facing all those problems, problems that won't be that easy to solve.
And don't forget about the united states. They're currently going down the same road as western europe.

The future is slavic and chinese. There's no doubt in that.
Your grandchildren will thankful to you for bearing the pain you currently bear for them to have a better future

>>65767288
Yeah most Russians actually think that democratic government and decent standard of living are Jew Freemason homosexual plot to destroy their shithole.

They can live in shit all they want and that would be fine, the problem is that they sometimes also feel the need to invade all their neighbors and make their lives as shitty as Russians.

>>65767288
Not really poor, I mean, not rural-africa-poor, and you're mostly fucked only if you have no one to support you, or you're enough of an idiot to not have some sort of a job.

MANAGED
DEMOCRACY

>>65767335
why do you even bother that guy's calling people ignorant while being american for fuck's sake...

>>65767368
FUCK OFF THE AMAZON IS OURS

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>>65767335
Conquered shitskins from dagestan/yakut
decrease our stats desu

>>65767323
An unstable country threatens the peace and security of its neighbors. You don't see a democracy like Denmark or Canada invading people, do you?

>>65767395
Come on, man. Sure, we have some gullible idiots who do believe that, but that's definetly not the whole picture.

>>65767421
idk I get triggered easily

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>>65767475
He's Polish, don't bother.

>>65767395
>muh russia prevent us from good living
>pole in the loo
why I'm not suprised?

>>65767395
>Yeah most Russians actually think that democratic government and decent standard of living are Jew Freemason homosexual plot to destroy their shithole

It might have been a legitimate (if autistic) argument in Dostoyevsky's time, but since communism destroyed the peasant/village life of the country, it looks pretty fucking retarded now.

>>65767514
quality russian humor

>>65766908
On a serious note, actually providing substitution therapy with methadone or buprenorphine would alleviate a lot of your small crime rate. A heroin addiction is very expensive and everyone knows addicts are devoid of morality of discipline when they main goal in life is getting their net fix in order to avoid getting physically really ill. In such a case when you are going cold turkey, it is common to go into animal mode and they bit of decency vanishes like snow before the sun.

If you provide methadone, it is much easier to obtain a couple of euros for two weeks of treatment, then 35 to 100 euros each day for your daily fix. Only that way the addict has a chance to reform himself. Even if he doesn't he is less likely to rob and steal because he's not cold turkeying.

Russia consumes 1/4th of the world's heroin supply and there are no substitution treatments available.

>>65767514
I still believe that anyone may or may not be an asshole regardless of nation, gender, age, all that stuff. If this is bait, I'm sure he can do better than that.

>>65767459
>You don't see a democracy like Denmark or Canada invading people
>says someone to a murican
uh wow

>>65767428
FREE RIO GRANDE DEL SUL

>>65767578
I blame multiculturalism for this

>>65767524
>muh russia prevent us from good living
You perfectly well know that my country is still trying to recover from the utter devastation you visited on it for 50 years. Since we have no high culture or educated people anymore thanks to you purging all of that shit, we've become a fucking bydlo joke only fit for low cost labor in Britain or Germany.

Yeah, fuck you, vatnik.

>>65767583
He's probably just memeing. It's expected of polish people to act incredibly butthurt every time Russia is mentioned and he tries to live up to reputation I guess.
It's like Finland being meme-masters and Australia shitposting like madmen.

>>65762826
>We are able to travel,
A lot of people in dictatorships can too >think what we want to think
You cant stop a person from having their own thoughts
>to get a job we want and etc.
Most people in dictatorships can get the jobs they want if qualified.

Not all dictatorships are N.Korea

>>65767590
I'm pretty sure all the countries we've gone to war with in our history weren't democracies, they were authoritarian states of various flavors. Which just proves the point that dictatorships cause war and instability.

>>65767578
That's because our state healthcare system is severely underfunded, really. That's a bigger problem than just addict rehab.
>>65767694
Ah, okay. I'm kinda new here, so I'm not familiar with such, ahem, customs.

>>65763551
He's probably the Russian who sees nothing wrong with anything in Russia but lives in Germany...

>>65767459
Do you think we give a fuck about khazahkstan, mongolia, china, belarussia, or Ukraine?

seriously dude, c'mon man.

>>65767187
They were in the middle of a huge financial crisis + there was the underclass demanding rights like everywhere, so it was either the commies or the nazis.

>>65766185
>cultural component that encourages authoritarianism
I think history is a lot of it. They are more relevant with dictators even though it never lasts. They love strongmen.

>>65767740
I don't blame you, frankly, I think it would be better if you'd exterminated them, they're just worthless shitholes anyway. But it doesn't change a thing - you are a democracy and you've invaded other countries, no matter why.

>>65767761
underfunded yes, and again the corruption, funds would just disappear into some guy's pocket

methadone is cheap, easy to synthesize, and the (German nazi era) patent is no longer valid

on a similar note, Russians are very good at chemistry, and Russians have their own pharmaceuticals, often unknown in the West, but therefore not less effective.

I can envision easily some Russian making an obscure long-acting µ-agonist synthetic opioid, if only as you say the funds would be there, there are opioids that have half lives of 72 hours and more instead of methadone's 24 hours halflife. Russians are very good chemists, on par with the Germans, I know, I am an organic chemist myself

>>65767658
>we were doing geat and then came russia and made everything bad
yeah, everyone on blame but you. hey, I've seen it somewhere else.. oh, stop, that's what bydlo in russia think, right.

>>65768113
Well, yeah, underfunding is a problem. Shit, my university, which educates some top chemists in Russia looks like an abandoned factory or some shit. I'm not even kidding, I have a friend who goes to a different university just across the road, and he was surprised to see me walk out of there.

Russians never really had democracy.

Democracy is a privilege brazilbro. Enjoy it.

>>65768289
Russia has the problem that they're still stuck on the Soviet notion that a doctor or physics professor should be paid the same as a factory worker.

>>65768436
Surprisingly, no. Factory workers are actually pretty well-paid, since there's a really high demand for them. On the other hand, we have too many lawyers, attorneys, financists, managers and such. Education and healthcare are in deep shit just because it's much more corrupt than everything else. Education, actually, is THE most corrupt thing in our country. Natural recourses companies are a close second. And since it's harder to actually get a medical degree even without taking corruption into account, not many people are up to this sort of challenge, and a huge chunk of those go to private sector.

>>65768436
>physics professor should be paid the same as a factory worker
professor earned more in Soviets and less now

>>65768656
This
Factory worker paid better than Oncolog

>>65763422
You are retarded

>>65762438
Compared to other rulers Putin is kind of ok.

>>65768212
You're right as such attitude lead us, Poles, nowhere, and stilll you are wrong, because we were given no chance to stand against your briilliant implementation of this retarded invention aka communism; and if you think otherwise, propose a solution, what should we do in the past to avoid our nowadays misery.

>>65769276
You should've been strong.

>>65762963
That would be illegal. Also she's not an absolutist ruler. There would still be the ministers and other high politicians such as justice minister Heiko Maas and interior minister Thomas de Maiziere who basically follow the same goals. Futhermore the whole "open the borders" plan was not created by Merkel, it was made by George Soros based on plans like the Kalergi plan.

>>65762914

Fuck Merkel, but she's not a murderous, corrupt, money-hungry oligarch.

>>65769696
Of course she's corrupt.

Russians just go from tsar to tsar to tsar.

They're like Arabs. They need a strongman. They see his flaws as strengths.

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>>65769737
Like yur mum from man to man

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>>65769538
God fucking dammit is there no place safe from that Hungarian zombie?
They even leaked how much evil shit he's responsible for and world goes round and round like nothing happened...
Why can't someone finally run him over with a dump truck?

>>65769829
I would but I don't know how. :^(

>WW3 will be fought over gay marriage in public perception
STOP THIS RIDE

>>65763627
80% of us does exacly that.

And lets be honest, not even we like the extremists.

>>65765724
>>65765895
Is this a British usage? In America we would say that anything less than 50% is not a majority, but rather a plurality.

>>65769829
Soros is 86 years old. I'm sure if we just wait a little bit, nature will assassinate him for us.