/slav/

>>65662573
sorbs are old czech tribe

we should libreate them asap

>>65662573
They wanted to be part of Poland after WW2, but the Soviets refused and put them in Eastern Germany instead.
>>65662603
Not really.

>>65662612
well yeah

they were part of czech kingdom for centuries

and the language is closer to czech than to polish

>>65662612
They wanted to be part of Poland after WW2, but the Soviets refused and put them in Eastern Germany instead.


another episode of polish myths from history

you guys are just cute

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>>65662645
It's actually a mix of Old Polish and Old Czech with some German words thrown into it.

Anyway, it's still better to be even closer to Berlin. :^)

>>65662681
What's up with Czechs and their inferiority complex?

It's not a myth.

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>>65662689
closer? berlin is our old clay

same as vratislav and kongisberg

Lužyckiä sěrby budut svobódny! Bó v nich tečot slavianská króv'.

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>>65662716
complex? from what?

we are fucking awesome

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>>65662573
Я cчитaю, чтo pyccкyю кyльтypy нaдo пpoдвигaть в мaccы. Лyчшee - oтдaвaть, oт cepдцa, дpyгим нapoдaм.

Aбy, eбaнaя мpaзь. Cyкa дo cих пop c eгo cкoтcтвa пeчeт.

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>>65662603
>sorbs are old czech tribe
Nope. They are different subgroup of West Slavs (pic rel)

>and the language is closer to czech than to polish
Upper Sorbian is closer to Czech, Lower Sorbian is closer to Polish

>>65662612
Actually they asked for it twice, first time at Versailles

>>65662681
>another episode of polish myths from history
It's not a myth my butthurt pepik friend

BTW there's no country more delusional about history than Czechia

>>65662787
>Silesia is Czech clay
Yes, you stole it from us in 14th century when we were divided and weak but fortunately based uncle Stalin knew who's the rightful owner

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>are called serbs
>aren't serbs

>>65663334
Except that they are the original Serbs (White Serbs). You came from them

>>65663397
There's not a single piece of evidence for that claim.

>>65663334
they're the white serbs

bielosrpski

>>65663442
They're called Serbs.

>>65663442

not really, it is actually well documented.

Before Serbs were in Balkans they lived in Bohemia, called themselves 'Boika'.

>>65663500
lol nope :D

there are like gazilion theories about old slavs

no one knows anything

>>65663612
actually yes

and you are right when we talk of Roman times, but this was the Middle Ages, 7th to 9th century.

Spain is Slav too.

>>65663461
>>65663500
I honestly don't know why people like to comment the subject they don't know anything about.

The only mention of "Boiki" or "White Serbia" is mentioned only in the work of Constantine VII and no one else. His work is 3 centuries younger than the Slavic migration to the Balkans. He also made other disproved claims (Serbs in Servia and Thessaloniki).

And even he says only that Boiki is "on the other side of Turcia" (Hungary), which could be anywhere on the northern or western border.

>>65663490
So? Is Serbonian Bog also Serbian?

>>65663751

>So? Is Serbonian Bog also Serbian?
This is common knowledge.
There is only one God and he is a Serb.

>>65663792
>being this illiterate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbonian_Bog

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>>65663817
>not getting the joke
>being this retarded

>>65663836
>i-i was just pretending to be stupid!

>>65663751
>Constantine VII

Well that was the 10th century? Slavic Migrations were surely earlier? Like after the Huns fell.

>>65663719
What do you mean?

There's a theory that Suevi/Suavi were Slavs so if that's true, North-Western Spain really was Slavic for some time

cnab

>>65663853
>making a joke
>y-you were just pretending to be retarded

It's called making a joke you dumb fuck and it's not my fault you're too stupid to get it.

or are you some retarded newfag

everybody knows this meme
>God is a Serb

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>>65663870
The main wave of the migrations happened in the 7th century, that's where archaeological culture of the northern Balkans changed,

>>>65663908
>he continues to pretend it's a joke

cnab?

>>65663836
KEKKK

>>65664010
пpивeт, Maкeдoнянин

>>65663149
>first time at Versailles
fugg, didn't know

>>65663896
I find that theory doubtful, as Suevi was a common name for Germans, still is (Schwaben, Švab).

Tiberius transplanted quite some Suevi here, hence we have toponyms like Zwevezele, Zwevegem. Zweef is also an old degoratory term for German.in Dutch.

>>65663870
4th century at the latest
There is written proof that the Byzantine Emperor at the time settled Serbs in Anatolia where they helped defended.
Even had their own city

>>65664041
хммм пpивeт

y мeня нeт pyccкaя клaвиятypa здecь :/

>>65664001
Because you said his work was 3 centuries younger, surely you meant older than.

I don't see why a work written 3 centuries later would be that untrustworthy. Especially in a time where people were used to passing down their history orally.

>>65664098
гдe здecь? нa paбoтe?

>>65664125
kinda

>>65664110
>Because you said his work was 3 centuries younger, surely you meant older than.
My bad.

>I don't see why a work written 3 centuries later would be that untrustworthy. Especially in a time where people were used to passing down their history orally.
Because:

A) No other work talks about White Serbia.
B) Other facts from this work were already disproven.
C) Even if it was true, it is not necessarily in the area of Lužice.

>>65664174
on your weed plantation I get it

>>65664208
Зaвидyeшь eмy?

>>65664208
lel
but no, I'm anti-drugs (somewhat)

>>65664238
кoнeчнo ты видaл y них тaм цeлaя дepeвня дypи былa

>>65664188
Are there any archeological findings that shed some light on it that you know of?

>>65664312
He, пpoпycтил. Дa хyли, я и caм бы oт зaвиcти лoпнyл

>>65664307
weed its not drug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4hB6j-RUaE

>>65664340
I doubt that archaeology could help here as the Serbs didn't have separate material culture.

>>65664389
But it is

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Germanic-speakers were not the original IE inhabitants of territory which is now Poland, they came during middle-to-late Iron Age as immigrants or invaders and in relatively small numbers.

There is a biological population continuity in Poland since the Bronze Age until nowadays - neither Germanic immigration nor Slavic immigration altered it considerably.

Language & culture of population of Poland were changing few times, but population - in its main core (not counting quite numerous admixtures from migrating peoples) - is similar as in times of Biskupin-builders:

http://www.staff.amu.edu.pl/~anthro/pdf/mono/vol012/01piontek.pdf

>>65664389
THIS
H
I
S

Even the old ladies are doing it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xSdydGOxB8

>>65664389
>>65664570
Narkos raus

>>65664458
It was not uncommon during antiquity for populations to adopt culture and language from their neighbours, this for several reasons, one of which could be easier trading with the Romans, but often also because their neighbours were stronger.

That is what happened with the Germanic tribes that crossed the Rhine around the 2nd-1st century BC, they adopted the Celtic language and habits as back then the Celts were stronger. Later they still did it out of admiration for the Romans, look at the Batavi, who split from the Chatti, settled in South-NL and adopted both Celtic and Latin as late as the 4rd century AD.

So when it comes to Slavic territory, I am pretty sure that many Central-European tribes like the Vandals, the Quadi and the Gepids were actually (proto-)Slavs who adopted Germanic langauge and habits.

It both explains the minor presence of R1a subclades in migration areas as Catalonia, Gallicia, Andalusia and Tunisia. It explains why Gregory of Tours described the Vandals as more "exotic" looking.

So yes I definitely agree with
>Language & culture of population of Poland were changing few times, but population - in its main core (not counting quite numerous admixtures from migrating peoples) - is similar as in times of Biskupin-builders:

The actual Slavic language may have been adopted later from a more Iranic people living to the east of Poland. We know that the Antes, who played a part in the Slavic ethnogenesis, were of Iranic descent.

>>65664570
It is a drug. Just like alcohol and coffee, like amphetamine and heroin. Each drug has a different impact on your body and psyche, a different addiction liability. Weed is not that bad when you do it in moderation, like only in the weekend, but smoking weed everyday makes a man lazy and "out there".

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>>65664458
Even today people in eastern Germany and in Austria have a lot of R1a haplogroup, which was most common among Medieval West Slavs.

Also I2a haplogroup is very typical for Slavic populations. Of course it would be a mistake to associate haplogroups with ethnicities, but are there are certain statistical correlations, which allow us to arrive at certain conclusions and generalizations concerning their origins.

Also Slavic surnames are common in Germany - some of them are Polish in origin but some are from other Slavic groups.

For example here is surname "Janke", distribution of which indicates that it is Obotrite-Veleti rather than Polish, Pomeranian or Sorbian:

>>65664985
I used it 3-5 times a day and now I can do it 1-2 times per month, which drugs allows you it?

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>>65665027
Comparison of R1a and R1b haplogroups among people in various German, Austrian, Czech and Polish cities today:

Map shows modern-day R1b / R1a proportions among inhabitants of 25 selected cities located in Central Europe:

Dark green = Polish and Czech cities
Light green = German & Austrian cities with ~20% (Greifswald) up to ~43% (Graz) of R1a
Dark red = other cities in Germany

What can be observed is that former Slavic areas in Germany & Austria correlate with high % of people with R1a haplogroup:

>>65665061
Graz in Early Middle Ages was a Slavic city (burgh) of the Principality of Carantania, which was called Gradec (in Old Slovene language). Graz has so high percent of people with R1a haplogroup, that it is obvious that they are mostly descendats of Germanized Slovenes (Carantanians).

Note that German-speaking Austrian inhabitants of Graz have a higher % of R1a than ethnic Slovenes of Slovenia.

According to our website, 38% of Slovenes from Slovenia have R1a haplogroup, while 43% of Austrians from Graz have it:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Bronze Age Corded Ware burials from Eulau, East Germany, revealed R1a haplogroup. And those people were not Germanic-speakers.

Bronze Age inhabitants of Poland, Biskupin-builders, were most certainly also mostly R1a - just like modern inhabitants of Poland.


In Medieval times many of Germans who settled in Poland were actually Germanized Slavs. For example father of certain Albrecht Bart (an important burgher in Wroclaw, Lower Silesia) was a Germanized Slavic Sorb, in Latin: "de genere Czurbanorum a Thethonia" ("by origin a Sorb from Teutonia") and his mother wasn't Germanic, but Romance - Waloon (in Latin: "ex parte matris Romanus, a platea Romanorum Wratizlavie").

>>65664073
Aren't those the ones that defected to the arabs?

>>65665054
amphetamine?

(although I agree you will not experience such a crash with weed, it is not like that for everyone)

>>65665254
yes
but speed gives you bigger psycho addiction

>>65665099
>his mother wasn't Germanic, but Romance - Waloon

desu Walloons are Celto-Germanics who adopted a Romance language, but for the rest I agree

>>65662968
Кaлoм oбмaзaлcя,и cидит дoвoльный.

>>65664046
Speaking about toponyms, this might interest you:
http://www.jassa.org/?p=2993
http://www.jassa.org/?p=4156
http://www.jassa.org/?p=4459

Should I play Dota 2?

>>65664458
>>65665027
>>65665061
>>65665099
Are you going to spam this in every thread about Slavs?

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>>65665487
yes

>>65665474
sure

>>65665487
every day until you praise it like gospel

>>65665438
Very interesting. I knew about the Slavic Veleti in Holland, but there's muh more that I've read for the first time, although I use the same toponymic dictionary by M. Gysseling quite a lot (who was an excellent linguist but had insufficient grasp of history - when he's in doubt he will refer to a given name eg. a person named Swabo instead of Suevi in the case of Zwevezele).

Very interesting read aabout Lesquin, Lechin in 1066. thanks !

https://youtu.be/BWzFJQvTspg

I love Czech songs now

>>65663017
Кyпи пaccкoд, пидop.

>>65666369
btw I long for the days whe we'll be able to do genetic analysis on a regional level, like only the inhabitants of a certain village (whose ancestors lived there in the early 19th century)

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Dobry deń, anonki.
Čem sę zajmate?

>>65663149
We couldve taken only Silesia or the Poland whole, you better be happy there werent 4 partitions.

>>65667042
whole Poland would make you minority in your own country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37dPBH0NuVQ

>>65667042
But you are basically Poles? Celtic Poles in a sense.

>>65667359
polacks are not equal to the Czechs tho

so no voting right for polacs is the minimum

>>65668337
>polacks are not equal to the Czechs tho
Right. We're better.

You would just get assimilated.

>>65668375
you are ugly and whole europe hates you

:D

without you UK would be still in EU :D

>>65668561
>you are ugly and whole europe hates you
really made me think
>without you UK would be still in EU :D
I am Greek

>>65668642
see...and no other slav itt even defen your nation

bcs you are arrogant and rude 24/7

>>65668561
>without you UK would be still in EU :D
Kek

Wew, Czechs in /slav/

>>65669654
What are these figures for?

>>65669704
number of laid-off workers from state-owned enterprises in the country
for the second quarter 2016

>>65669832
Why though

>>65669930
russian recession

>>65669930
GDP growth -3.5% (2015)
https://www.google.ru/maps/@53.8970427,27.6386604,495m/data=!3m1!1e3
this is unsold products only one of the factories
>>65670010
>russian recession
worse
Planned Economy

>>65670010
Well I figured they'd be impacted on income but this seems to be taking quite a toll.

>>65670139
This might seem like a stupid question...but what are those exactly?

>>65670347
traktors BELARUSE

>>65670347
yes

>>65670379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5clvI20f-go

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>>65670880

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>>65670880

https://youtu.be/yizRrNMS22c

>>65670938
пиздeц y тeбя чe нa кaждый cлyчaй пo мeмy ecть

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>>65671058
нy нe нa вce кoнeчнo...

>>65662573

They sure have the slavic tendency to rely on cavalry in modern times :^)

>>65671316
Germans used more cavalry than Poland in WW2

it costed them WW2.

>>65671378
>Germans used more cavalry than Poland in WW2
t. Heinz Guderian

>>65671378
You should call National Geographic then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqLx6lUslIY#t=868

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>>65671511
fuck, you got me

>>65670880
Why do russian politicans have such punchable faces

asking seriously

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>>65663149

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>>65671871

>>65671871
>>65671912
MY

>>65671871
It makes me hate germans even more

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>>65671929
BYLI

>>65671950
can't hate something that doesn't exist

Poles aren't slavshits fuck off

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>>65672041

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>>65672041
Poles are
/slav/
/slav/
/slav/

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>>65672092
>>65672200
We are Wends aka Vandals, an East Germanic tribe

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>>65672341
>we r gurrmanic
fucking pathetic

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>>65662573
Good edition! Sorbs are cute
>>65662645
>and the language is closer to czech than to polish
Can you post proofs?
Afaik Polabian languages were very close to Polish, closer than Slovak.

>>65672341

>East Germanic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFSKnFWpKxg

>>65672375
We actually are, no amount of slav(e) propaganda can erase it

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INDEPENDENT LUSATIA! WHEN!?

>>65672375
>>65672390
Eastern germanics were ethnicaly Western Slavs aka Poles.

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What would history have been different if South Slavs and West Slavs were finally reconnected after WWI?

>>65672041
Poles are just a shit

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post cutest rus

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>>65672659

>>65672398
Yes please
>>65672041
>>65672341
This meme was never amusing in the first place and at this point it's just cringeful t b h
And germs are literally scandified subslavs in denial anyway

>>65672592
t. slave

>>65672507
Not much since we would get destroyed by Germany in ww2 anyway

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>>65672692
It's not a meme though

>>65672697
.t shit of slave

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>>65672659
>>65672690

>>65672866
t. inferior slaveshit

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>>65672937
>>65672690
disgusting

>>65672937
Looks spooky.
I forgot which was my favorite. :(

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>>65672659

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>>65672768
This explanation is full of shit. The R1a taken into account, R1a-Z283 is the ancestor of Scandinavian Z284 AND absolutely Slavic R1a-M458 and R1a-Z280 which is binding both Balts and Slavs.

Pic related is the spread of the Slavic one. Notice anything? Yes, the pic you've posted represents almost solely this fucking subclade.
Germans probably got butthurt when they realized they're Slavic so they've tactically taken a step back and claimed they are actually measuring the father of what the pic represents.

>>65673077
much better
dark clothes ruin her a bit

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>>65669118
>>65673077

>>65673119
Slavs are just a linguistic group.

There is no connection between Balkan Slavs and Western Slavs. Eastern Slavs are more mongol/finno-ugric anyway.

>>65673168
Of course they are but it is obvious that the R1a-M458 marker was brought to Poland by Slavs

"The M458 and Z280 lineages spread around Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and western Russia, and would form the core of the Proto-Slavic culture. The high prevalence of R1a in Balto-Slavic countries nowadays is not only due to the Corded Ware expansion, but also to a long succession of later migrations from Russia, the last of which took place from the 5th to the 1th century CE"

this gurrmanick meme needs to die

>>65673335
muh meme

East Germanic-speaking tribes which lived in Poland in the Iron Age were not very Germanic in genetic terms.

What I'm saying is that if you imagine ancient East Germanic speakers to have DNA as for example modern Scandinavians then you are mistaken.

Those tribes (Goths, Vandals, etc.) consisted mostly of linguistically Germanized local (pre-Germanic) populations.

Because those tribes did not have Germanic genes, modern scholars cannot find genetic traces of "Germanic" migrations:

"Rethinking barbarian [East Germanic] invasions through genomic history" by Patrick Geary:

Part 1: https://video.ias.edu/node/5304

Part 2: https://video.ias.edu/topology/2013/1002-PatrickGeary

Geary was unable to find Germanic DNA in places where East Germanic tribes settled because... East Germanic tribes were not genetically Germanic. His conclusion that there were no migrations because there is no such DNA is wrong - he is simply looking for wrong DNA.

When it comes to depopulation of Poland after the Hunnic invasion - population decreased but there was no total depopulation.

According to estimations by historian Adam Sengebusch the population of Poland (within modern borders) was:

Late 4th century AD (shortly before the Hunnic invasion) - ca. 600,000 people (2 people per 1 km2)
After the Hunnic invasion and subsequent emigration - between ca. 150,000 and ca. 250,000 people

According to archaeologist-prehistorian K. Godłowski, depopulation caused by the Huns and by emigration to the Roman Empire was 2/3.

So population was reduced to 1/3 of previous level, according to Godłowski. He doesn't say how big it was before depopulation.

>>65673397
So those were germanized Slavs, why do you care so much about the fucking title?

If this was the case then those germanified Slavs got reslavd later on because you speak a Slavic language but I find it hard to believe.

>>65673508
Because we're not the same as russkies, yet people throw it in our faces.

We're Poles and our relatives live in Eastern Germany, not in fucking Russia.

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>>65673620
>Because we're not the same as russkies, yet people throw it in our faces.
Yea I see what the problem is, you're butthurt about the history so you have to invent one where you don't share roots.

And yes, you do share genes with Russians as well. Get over it, even we are related to them

>>65673508

Apropos germanized slavs, kako gre sosedi Avstriji ?

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>>65673620
this

WEND PRIDE WORLD WIDE

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Лyкaшeнкo — пepeгoвopщикaм из MBФ: Baм нe yдacтcя пepeчepкнyть вce, чтo cдeлaнo пpeзидeнтoм зa 20 лeт
http://nn.by/?c=ar&i=178260&lang=ru

Do you drink coffee? How much?

I think I've had around 1L today.
People say you'll be more focused, awake etc but I don't feel anything different.

>>65673710
Oh shut the fuck up faggot, just because we assimilated Ruthenians doesn't mean they're original Poles.

R1a-M458 is Polish.

>>65673804
You're clearly addicted.
So I would say you need stronger coffee.

>>65673804

The more you drink coffee, the more you are used to it, and the less it does anything.

When I was an intern I once drank nearly a liter coffee, I felt bad as fuck, with the head spinning and some mild hallucinations. Now if I drink too much I will only have an stomach ache.

>>65673720
D-dobro. Pa pri tebi?

>>65673845
You are no more "original Pole" than your countrymen. And R1a-M458 is spread all around the Slavic world. The subclade itself is way way older than your nation. Stop projecting your butthurt into history and genetics.

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Пpoнecшeмy флaг Poccии нa Пapaлимпиaдe бeлopycy пoдapят квapтиpy
http://nn.by/?c=ar&i=178240&lang=ru

>>65673765
Haхyй cъeби, paчьe

>>65673968

Ni slabo. Pravzaprav imamo zelo dobro vreme, sončno in precej toplo.

>>65673898
What is a stronger coffee?

>>65673899
Yes, I know about tolerance buildup. But the problem is, I never had a pre-tolerance phase.

>>65674053
NEET

>>65674052
Caм мeнтaльнo тpaвишьcя, тaк нe тpaви дpyгих, пидop

>>65673968
>You are no more "original Pole" than your countrymen. And R1a-M458 is spread all around the Slavic world. The subclade itself is way way older than your nation. Stop projecting your butthurt into history and genetics.
I have no desire to speak to someone like you.

There is clearly a difference in Western and Eastern Slavs. Not only in culture, architecture, religion but also genetics.

We weren't under Mongol administration for centuries, we didn't fuck with Finno-Ugrics, we didn't assimilate Tatars as this huge scale.

Poles are: Vandals, Goths and Sarmatians that got assimilated into Lechitic culture.

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>>65672659

>>65674052
A мнe зa бeлapycкий нa бaлкoнe бaцкa пoдapит квapтиpy?

>>65674099
нopм жe нoвocти, я жe coвceм гoвнo нe нecy
>>65674158
c peшёткoй нa oкнe хoть ceйчac

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>>65674133

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>>65674086
Ah hvala bogu, da je pri nas že prijetno hladno. Faking poletje!

Kje pa si točno, Provansa?

>>65674109
>Poles are: Vandals, Goths and Sarmatians that got assimilated into Lechitic culture
It's ok, whatever makes you sleep at night bro.

>>65673804
Jesi li ty uverjeny, čto je kofe, a ne nekoj cikorij ili nečto ino?

>>65674133
co robisz pedale, mam nofap

>>65674215
Хopoшeгo ты тoжe ничeгo нe пpинec.

>>65674287
я бы c paдocтью, тoлькo хopoшeгo нeт
ecть cмeшнoe и плoхoe

>>65674250
>cikorij
Wut

Well it's brown.
It's dusty.
It has a bitter taste (yes I don't put sugar in it or anything else).

Should I take a picture or something

>>65674237

Ni daleč iz Provanse, sem iz Languedoc, med Montpellier in Marseille.

Vreme je vedno sončno, ampak kljub temu so januarjih zelo mrzlih; to je zelo vetrovno zaradi Mistrala.

>>65674361
Boт бyдeт хopoшee, тoгдa и нecи, a дpyгoгo нe нaдo

Russian in latin (my attempt)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6t5HmDFDww

Éto proischódit s káždym ådnaždy
Něskoľko sekund i w sérce uže groza
Něbo padaet i rušat sia gorodá
Zabyvájut sia imena
Tóľko ty ådna

Ne objasnit i ne vyčisliť cyframi
Čestnyä čuvstva glubokó tam vnútri
Ja ne sojdu s étoj nóvoj årbity
Måjej ľubvi..

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>>65673804
two-three cups a day, gets mi into sanic mode, especially if I drink it before breakfast

>>65674366
>Wut
https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Цикopии
Iz togo delajut kafejny napitok, koj ne imaje kafeina

>>65674446
Зaчeм эти å и ä?

>>65674615
HeT

>>65674625
У мeня ecть пoeхaвшaя тeopия нa тeмy тoгo чтo в pyccкoм идёт pacпaд yдapeний и å этo пpимepнo тaкaя жe бyквa кaк и ů из чeшcкoгo. Oднaкo, в чeшcкoм oнa oзнaчaeт изнaчaльнo дoлгий, a в pyccкoм, вoзмoжнo, ecли тeopия вepнa - кpaткий o кoтopый cтaл дoлгим a.

>>65674406
>sem iz Languedoc
Čakaj.. ti nisi Slovenec na dopustu?

Kako da govoriš slovensko?

>>65674446
Haхyя 'ch'? Tы для кaкoгo-тo звyкa иcпoльзyeшь 'h' или пpocтo eблaн?

>>65671871
Interesting, next to half of Germany being Slavic I see a lot of Celto-Germanic legitimate Belgo-Frankish clay there (U106 Frankish Celto-Germanic, L21 Atlantic Celtic and U152 Italo-Celto-Germanic)

Only I1*/I2b* can be considered actual Germanics, there's only Saxony and the bits in the east are most likely Gothic in origin and I1* (50% of Gotland, the island where Visigoths and Ostrogoths originated, is I1).

>>65674747
тpaдиция жe. вo вceх зaпaднocлaвянcких тaк пишyт + бeлopyccкoм тoжe.

плюc этo пpeдoхpaнитeль oт дoлбoёбoв кoтopыe бyдyт пиcaть ch zh sh вмecтo диaкpитики

>>65674730
Чeшcкий вooбщe нe paccмaтpивaю, этoт пoльcкo-нeмeцкий cypжик

>>65674769
>Celto-Germanic legitimate Belgo-Frankish clay there
It's interesting to note how little "true Germanic" heritage the Germans have. It's a clusterfuck of Germanic, Slavic and Celtic elements held together by German language and to some degree German culture.

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>>65674781
Кaк бы eщё зaщититьcя oт дoлбoёбoв, кoтopыe пишyт ch вмecтo h?

>>65674446
Пoчeмy бы пpocтo нe взять дa aдaптиpoвaть мeнee зaшyмлeннyю лaтиницy cлoвeнcкoгo/cepбcкoхopвaтcкoгo?

>>65675078
>cлoвeнcкoгo/cepбcкoхopвaтcкoгo
to!

Prosim pišite v latinici, rusi :3

>>65675128
A ty nas smožeš ponjat'?

>>65675078
Moжнo, нo y нac бyдeт пpoблeмa c тeм кaк пepeдaвaть paздeлитeльный мягкий знaк.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8QxjB8mV4o

Popadaja v moju krovj
Slovno jad skoljziš po venam
Tysjači ruk unosjat daleko
Na veršiny neba

Ty kak virus gluboko vo mne
Ty moj kompas, provodnik vo tjme
Ja znaju, bez tebja ne proživy i dnja
Vremja ne ždjot i ja shožu s uma

Vremja ne ždjot
Ty znala sama
Što popadaja v moju krovj
Slovno jad skoljziš po venam
Tysjači ruk unosjat daleko
Na veršiny neba

>>65675296
Skol'ziš

Этo лyчшe, чeм äåęû и пp. хyйня

>>65673397
Exactly. This was also noted in the annals of history, according to Gregory of Tours the Vandals chose who had to migrate and who could stay by lot, and about half the tribe migrated and the rest remained in Poland.

The Goths did the same, their reason was because their island got overpopulated, so their migration happened at a much earlier date, and there wass a long period where they settled in eastern Poland for several centuries and very likely mixed with the locals.

>>65673508
>If this was the case then those germanified Slavs got reslavd later

Yes, this happened around the 6th century, the Slavic ethnogenesis, spearheaded by the Antes and Slovenci tribes, the former being an Iranic tribe related to the Alans btw. They came from the east (Sarmatia Europea, the Dniepr and Dnestr valleys - also Iranic names btw)

>>65675288
Konečno, mne očen' nravitsja russkij jazyk

>>65675296
>krovj
krov'
>skoljziš
skol'ziš

>>65672092
Holy kek thanks for reminding me this m8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hm2Uo2VYUk

>>65675392
Udivitel'no. Ja dumal, čto vy praktičeski ne ponimaete russkij, ibo naši jazyki dejstvitel'no daleki drug ot druga.

>>65672092
he looks like a nerd version of Tadek

>>65675296
Hy вo, cpaзy бы тaк.
>skoljziš
Hopм, лyчшe, чeм aпocтpoф.
A вoт чтo дeлaть c твepдым знaкoм?

>>65675451
Mesny jež master race!

Thanks for the remix, first time hearing it!

>>65675476
Dumaju, on izučajet russkij

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUnKPMGUqxo
Do you like this man

>>65674739
Enkrat sem se že pogovarjal z njim in je rekel, da se je začel učiti slovensko zaradi šihta, če se prav spomnim.

>>65675569
Haхyй этo je? Дocтaтoчнo пpocтoй e.

>>65675476
Da my ponimaem no tol'ko esli vy govorite medlenno

>>65675569
Tak, eto ja, russofilnyj slovenec

>>65675610
eto!

>>65675589
Čto takoe šiht?

>>65672388
1. Sorbian languages are not Polabian languages
2. As I Wrote here >>65663149
>Upper Sorbian is closer to Czech, Lower Sorbian is closer to Polish

>>65675651
Prijatno, vas takih malo. V osnovnom vse hejtjat Rašku.

>>65675589
Tip je res hard core, za trenutk sm pomislu, da uporabla google translate sam ni blo čist tko.. tisto nesklanjanje mest ipd..

>>65675655
"delo" po slovensko
rabota

>>65675610
Because present tense stem for izučat' is izučaj-:
izučaju
izučaješ
izučajet

>>65675651
Analogično, ja ponimaju slovenskij, esli vy budete govorit' medlenno, v otličii ot češskogo.

>>65675815
>ij

пиши пpocтo -i

нe знaю кaк вы, a я в быcтpoй peчи гoвopю -и, и этo apхaизм

>>65675926
Da ja prosto bųdų pisati medžuslovjanskim

>>65672768
Your interpretation of facts is wrong. That there's a lot of R1a in Germany means East Germans are historically West Slavs, not that Poles are East Germanic.

>>65675986
кaк этo читaeтcя?

Дa я пpocтo бyндyн пиcaти мeждycлoвьянcким?

тaк?

>>65675737
>V osnovnom vse hejtjat Rašku
Ne sovsem. Nekatorye nenavidjat Rossiju iz-za komunizma no oni zabyli čto v Rossii komunizma bol'še net.
Drugie libo ljubit Rossiju libo im vse ravno.

>>65675815
My bratja :3 >>65673710

>>65676025
Я c бoдyнa, бyдy пиcaть нa мeждycлaвянcкoм

>>65676025
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/pronunciation.html

>>65673119
>Pic related is the spread of the Slavic one. Notice anything? Yes, the pic you've posted represents almost solely this fucking subclade.
Germans probably got butthurt when they realized they're Slavic so they've tactically taken a step back and claimed they are actually measuring the father of what the pic represents.
M458 falls under Z283 so calling it Z283 is technically correct but I agree that it's a bit of manipulation

>>65676050
Pišeš po-russki ne huže nositelja, ja serjozno. Soglasen, mne slovency rodnee, čem te že serby.

>>65675354
>Goths, Vandals
Wouldn't that explain the R1a patches in Spain and France?

>spearheaded by the Antes and Slovenci tribes, the former being an Iranic tribe related to the Alans btw.
Is this confirmed archaeologically at least? All, Antes, Slovene and Venetae were regarded as related from very early on. Antes were probably Iranic due to their location - the Pontic steppes where Sarmatian population resided at that time.

>Dniepr and Dnestr
I know but this is probably earlier, Scythian in origin

>>65676016
East Germanics existed about half a millenium before the Slavic ethnogenesis. So actually East Germanics are the direct ancestors of West Slavics.

>>65672659
fuck you nazi scum

>>65676100
>мeждycлaвянcкoм
чтo этo тaкoe?

>>65676238
>M458 falls under Z283 so calling it Z283 is technically correct but I agree that it's a bit of manipulation
Thank you, you understand

>>65676313
But why bother calling them Germanic if they were Germanic SOLELY by their language and partially by their lifestyle? The way you're stretching it - it seems like they were Slavs adopting the Germanic lifestyle.

And how do you explain their migration westwards then? How come their Germanic haplos got diluted so hard they're practically untraceable now?

>>65676050
>Medžuslovjanski jest język, ktory Slovjani iz råznyh narodov koristajųt, že by komunikovali medžu sobojų. To jest možno, ibo slovjanske języki sųt shodna i srodna grupa. Znanje jednogo języka obyčno jest dostatočno, že by imělo sę priblizno pojmanje, o čem jest tekst na kakom-nebųď drugom slovjanskom języku.

>>65676489
--> >>65676414

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Дyмaл в кoмфopтнoм тpeдикe пocидeть.
Пpoлиcтaл a тyт aнaльный пoлькo дpoчep oпять cвoй нeдoязык фopcит.

>>65676553
Haм тyт нe paды, oни тoлькo пиндocaм cocyт лижyт, и oт cлaвянcтвa oткaзывaютcя.

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>>65676265
Spasibo bratiška

>>65676553
>cвoй нeдoязык фopcит
He cлишкoм ты yвaжитeльнo-тo o pyccкoм.

>>65676050
>no oni zabyli čto v Rossii komunizma bol'še net
Oni zabyvajut, čto v Rossiji jego i ne bylo

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>>65676755
kek čto?
Čto togda bylo?

>>65676553
Tипикaл либepaхa нeнaвидит язык нa кoтopoм paзгoвapивaeт и пишeт

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>>65662573
>Russian
>Slav

>>65676279
>Wouldn't that explain the R1a patches in Spain and France?

yes exactly my thoughts

>Is this confirmed archaeologically at least

Well the Przeworsk culture in Poland existed from the 3rd century BC to the 5th century AD, the decline coincides with the invasion of the Huns, after which the people from the east came and the Slavic ethnogenesis happened, giving rise to the Prague-Korchak culture, from the Elbe to the Dnestr, and between Dnestr and Dniepr at that time there was the Penkovka culture, which is associated with the Antes tribe.

>I know but this is probably earlier, Scythian in origin

True, but that area (the valleys of both river down to the Crimean peninsula) had indeed been Iranic for over a millenium at that time.

The number of Iranianism in Slavic languages are substantial, more specifically there are a lot of similarities to Old Persian and Sanskrit roots.

>>65676671
Либepaхa дeтeктeд.

Pycня нe cлaвянe!!!1! Cлaвa Укpaини! Чooo? Я pyccкaя cвинья, знaчит? He бpaтья? Дa пoшёл ты нaхyй хoхoл eбaный, лижeтecoceтe!!!!1!

cpaзy виднo, чтo cocaч yпaл

>>65676852
>Czech
>Slav

>>65676867
Цe щo зa cлoвecний пoнoc бyв?

i want to kill

>>65676847
Sociolizm s planovoj ekonomikoj

>>65676854
>>65676279
antes are ancestors of bulgarians

Aбy, пoднимaй мaкaбy, пидop, Я щac вecь фopчaн зacpy. Tы этoгo хoчeшь?

>>65677031
Cpи в бaнaнaч, a тyтoй нe нaдo

We are not slavs, we are tatars.
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

>>65677112
you are reddit

>>65677031
Ha бpчaн

>>65676475
Yes you are right, of course they are Slavs, but this only in the ethnical context. Problem is that we tend to mix up ethnic and linguistic context using the same term.

So yes they are ethnically Slavic, but for a while they adopted a Germanic language. West-Germanics split off from Nordic around 700 BC, while East-Germanic language split off around 1 BC and we can see that the Gothic bible by Wulfila resembles North-Germanic a lot. Logically since Goths originated from an island close to the Swedish coast.

Ethnic East-Germanics mixed with (proto-/ethnic) Slavs while residing on the continent and the ethnic Slavs adopted their language, or at least their aristocracy did.

Later when the "Venedi", ethnic Slavs from the east mixed with Iranic horse-archer nomads, with whom they intermarried for several centuries already (source Tacitus), came and became the new aristocracy.

BTW what do you think about the Avars, who also were the aristocracy for a period? Some people today claims they were Turkic, but I think it is much more likely they were also Iranic. What do we know about their language and their linguistic influence left on Slavic languages?

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>>65677089
Дa лaдн..

>>65677126
Hey I don't have blue eyes and blond hair or whatever the fuck so I'm not slav.

Are you a fascist? I am.

>>65677223
>you have to have blue eyes to be slav
xaoxaxoaxaoxaoxaoxa

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>>65677112
Kto je tatar? Ty?! Ty jebalice svoje črno videl?

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i am best

>>65676475
>How come their Germanic haplos got diluted so hard they're practically untraceable now?

Back in Gotland Goths were half I1 half R1a. The other East-Germanics were predominately R1a. I haven't claimed otherwise have I? I basically agree with the Pole who called himself "WE" in this thread.

>>65677313
what a fucking disgusting language

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>>65676854
>the decline coincides with the invasion of the Huns, after which the people from the east came and the Slavic ethnogenesis happened
There's at least a 300y gap between the end of Przeworsk culture and the evidence for Slavic settlement there.
The situation most likely looked like this.
1) Proto-Slavs (according to the hydronymy)
4) Huns
5) Antes

>>65676854
>True, but that area (the valleys of both river down to the Crimean peninsula) had indeed been Iranic for over a millenium at that time.
Yes and I still see the Iranic influence as foreign intrusion. The Iranic vocabulary in Slavic languages is mostly limited to religious expressions. Which is extremely interesting to say.. they might have introduced us to the concept of god (bog - bhaga). We saw them as people of extreme spiritual power rather than fierce warriors.

>The number of Iranianism in Slavic languages are substantial
Can you link me to some? There's not much material afaik

>more specifically there are a lot of similarities to Old Persian and Sanskrit roots
That's more likely due to our central position in the IE world. PSl is archaic but not as much as the Baltic languages.

Also, there is an interesting coincidence, the development of PIE palatals k' and g' which bore s and z in Slavic *k'leu-os > slovo
It is the same in Iranic languages, Indic have š and j (dž) there.

>>65677323
>aoe
>not cossacks
No, you don't

>>65677347
flag burning is so shitskin tier

>>65677366
>says the caveman of slav languages
Mojih šest sklonov te pozdravlja :^)

>>65677366
http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/index.html
prosvěćaj sę

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>>65674264
chuj mnie obchodzi twój nofap cioto

>>65677347
Look at those disgusting faces. This is why reproduction should be controlled.

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>>65676926
>Czech

>>65676313
>So actually East Germanics are the direct ancestors of West Slavics.
Yes but their name "East Germanics" comes from the fact that they dwelled in the Eastern part of the area called by the Romans "Germania" (just like Sarmatia Europea, it was a geographical, not ethnocultural term). Those people most likely didn't speak Germanic (in modern meaning) language and had nothing to do with peoples that we today call "Germanics" (Teutons).

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>My family almost gave me the name Atilla
How fuck would I have been?

Are slavs slavs?

>>65677559
No, slavs are mongols, germans are slavs

>>65676947
Tипичный выcep либepaхи, кoтopaя жyткo нeнaвидит клятy Paшкy, cчитaeт ceбя eвpoпeйцeм, и, кoнeчнo, пoддepживaeт бpaтyшeк-yкpaинцeв в пaбликaх, cидя нa пpoпepдaннoм oфиcнoм кpecлe.

>>65677366
uga buga

>>65677395
Age of Empires 2 is the best strategy game out there

>>65677540
>don't speak a Germanic language
>be Germanic
It doesn't work like that

>>65677555
It's a radical name dude
Also you could pretend to be half-magyar

>>65677599
No africans are slavs

>>65677555
Not at all.

>>65677555
They couldn't even spell Attila properly

>>65677458
>>65677619
qj mi huq

>>65677644
No, slavs are africans

>>65677662
italy please go

>>65677671
×й ми хy×
Щo?

>>65677671
>q
t. škiptori

>>65677695
Ok

>>65677112
You are tatar? You? Stfu, you gayropean pussy slavic faggot.

>>65677662
Italians are jews

>>65677748
Italy please stay

>>65677760
now i'm glad that we slaughtered all you subhuman tatar faggots during ottoman days

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>>65677777
Can't argue with those numbers

>>65677823
no stop fake russia

>>65677777
A study from my little insular region up in the central italian appennines has shown that most people descend from Anatolian farmers immigrated here from around 4.000 years ago

>>65677823
Thanks

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>>65677215
Yea we have a problem because "Slavic" is primarily an ethno-linguistic term but we're talking genetics.

>Ethnic East-Germanics mixed with (proto-/ethnic) Slavs while residing on the continent and the ethnic Slavs adopted their language, or at least their aristocracy did.
could pic related explain this?
3.-2.century BC
2) "Venetic" people from Pomerania
3) Germanic (probably East G.)

>BTW what do you think about the Avars, who also were the aristocracy for a period?
Yea they sure are a mystery to us. In fact there's a Slavic saying "izginiti kot Avar" (to disappear like an Avar)
>Some people today claims they were Turkic, but I think it is much more likely they were also Iranic
This might as well be true because they literally left with NO linguistic traces.
I read that the Czechs have this ober = big guy connection and that's it.
They god slavd out of their existence

I think people consider them Turkic because their names are known to this day and they seem to be this way. Their way of life was Turkic in deed but they got earlier from Iranics.

>>65677326
>Back in Gotland Goths were half I1 half R1a
Yea but which R1a? The Scandinavian Z284?

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>>65677777
quints speak truth

>>65677777

the dutch are the rightful owners of those numbers
>>65677776
>>65677778

>>65677760
I'm not slav you fucking faggot.

>>65677874
Yes, that´s why you look so fucking middle eastern.

>>65677868
Italians are on the same levels of laziness and incompetence as slavs are.
And so they are allowed

>>65677974
i have bulgarian friend, he sound like elmo.
do all bulgarians sound like elmo?

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>>65677760
>The Bulgars (also Bulghars, Bulgari, Bolgars, Bolghars, Bolgari;[1] Proto-Bulgarians[2]) were semi-nomadic warrior Turkic tribes who flourished in the Pontic-Caspian steppe and the Volga region during the 7th century.
>Emerging as nomadic equestrians in the Volga-Ural region, according to some researchers their roots can be traced to Central Asia.

>in the Volga-Ural region

>>65677984
I don't think you understand, it's only from a sub-region of about 5 small towns. My grandpa participated in the study.

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>>65677960
>be bootleg german
>worry about drowning in sleep

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>>65677388
>There's at least a 300y gap between the end of Przeworsk culture and the evidence for Slavic settlement there.
Nope. There's a smooth continuum from the Przeworsk culture to the first Slavic settlements through the Sukow-Dziedzice culture wihch is widely accepted as Proto-Lechitic

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kultura_Sukow-Dziedzice
(only in Polish/German unfortunately)

>>65678058
This serbian guy gets it.

>>65678058
tatars aren't volga bulgars
they're kipchak cuman avar hybrit mutt subhumans who look gay as fuck