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>they would rather post their top keks, call other "kuks" and confine to their generals

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I'm cursed with opening threads, am I? Not a single thread I've opened went over 40-50 posts and I've been here for years

If we cannot genocide the socialists, there is not any possible solution.

Totalitarianism is the solution. We need a strong, nationalistic government. That and proteccionist policies, investment on industries, nationalisations... We need many reforms.

>>51106093
Socialism is a part of your mentality, not just your politics. You need to redesign "the Spaniard". How would you do that? Education and healthcare especially. Interested in the Spanish point of view

Replace their population with Northern Europeans.

>>51106312
Protectionism is a hard lesson through Spanish history. It failed miserably multiple times. I think you're trying to secure a place for Spanish products on the market, but there are better methods than protectionism

>>51105478
We send all spaniards to Morroco and let Brits take over the peninsule

>>51106362
All countries were developed through protectionism, the now liberal USA used to have really high tariffs. So yeah, we need protectionism.

>>51106637
And in exactly that time, Spain used to have high tariffs on precious metal and within years the inflation went up like pouring gas to tame a fire and imports of metal fell from 14 million in worth to 1,4 million in worth of then's currency. The alcabala/cientos fucked up Spanish economy. Remember the rule of Philip II and III and how many times Spain went bankrupt because of protectionism? The only reason American companies needed protectionism was to start up their industry. Cheap labour would have nowhere to work, if American started on the free trade path, since America had fierce competition across the globe. They abandoned hard protectionism after America became a global manufacturer, around 1880es and onwards. This change between protectionism to free trade, immigration as key point to available workforce and hilariously good crediting - flow of capital between institutions to loaners led America to become the world's manufactory
tl;dr God bles 'merica

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>>51107015
That wasn't because of protectionism, but because of inflation (too much gold while the productivity didn't increase). You are giving me reason, America needed protectionism to devleop, as all countries. We didn't really make the transition from an agricultural-based economy to an industrial one. We need protectionism or we will always be the beach of Europe. That's why we need strong leadership, like the one South Korea had with Park Chung Hee or the nowadays Chinese regime.

we end self-hate, laziness, selfishness,corruption and uneducated leftists. There you have a nice country

>>51107224
You didn't make any kind of transition. Spain was sustained by endless wars and crippling taxes. The 40 million spent in wars to return Benelux into fold could have been spent to capitalize the Castilian cloth industry or any northern industry for that fact

>That wasn't because of protectionism, but because of inflation (too much gold while the productivity didn't increase)
I gave you a cause. Gold was treated almost as an agricultural good in Spain. It was one of the best taxable product on the market, so Spaniards tried to monopolize on it. As for protectionism in the home country, what was there to protect? Spain relied on import

>>51107394
How do you end them?

>>51107394
You said it as if culture didn't change. Foreigners said that Japanese were lazy before industrialisation. Corruption is very related to development too.

>>51107986
Extrapolate, por favor

>>51107655
>>51107986
with this I mean thet Spain as it is, is unfixable

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>>51107207
Spain is shit m8, let it die. The best thing that happened to your country is when Yugoslavia broke apart.

>>51105478
Spain has been like that since the beginning of time, there is no way to change it.

>>51108411
kek, andalucia would be a 3rd world country

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>>51108411
Yugoslavia and Spain were never in a similar historical or economic setup. Yugoslavia was sharply undeveloped and sharply contrasting, while Spain was always on the plank. Your country has around 45 million people. It has the potential to have 10 trillion GDP, not your current measily ~1,3 trillion. With the right painful cuts and redesign of autonomous communities... Spain can achieve GREATNESS

Spain is destined for greatness, mi hermanos. No puedes ver?

>>51108656
>With the right painful cuts and redesign of autonomous communities... Spain can achieve GREATNESS
There is no way you can do that, autonomous communities are a bureaucratic construct made to ensure politicians and bureaucrats can earn money without actually working.

>>51108656
the forseeable future is dark m8, leftists are taking over

>>51108873
>>51108969
What about your grandees? Totalitarians? Dictators you mention in the posts above?
The heart of the bleeding reform starts from Castilian lands, since historically, shit was always brought from Castile into surrounding regions. Check the banking system. Ravage them like conquistadors did New Spain. Get them in line and when you do, you can start reforming the public sector. It's time to cut it down again. Increase import tax, introduce regressive taxing for the time being and reroll on the VAT, go back to what, 18%? Got to play the game if you want to win. EU destroyed our industrial and agricultural potential. It's time to bring it back

I don't care about Spain I just care for Valencia (my real country wathever the current sovereign state is)

>>51109290
I don't disagree with you, but what you propose is impossible in this time and age, a military takeover would have the opposition of both the people and the international community, and the country would be isolated from the rest of the world.

>>51109561
Also the military is currently equally corrupted, like the rest of the state.

>>51109290
you seem to be a Spainboo, sorry to let you down, but this generation of spanish young adults and teenagers is doomed. For reference, the people you see on int are the most educated people as they have a middle-advanced level of english and cultural understanding.

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>>51109498
>I just care for Valencia
Shit, I forgot to mention: I also care about furry conventions where I can show my costumes.

>>51109290
The thing is, Spain has the most corrupt politicians in all of Europe; they really don't care for the future.

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>>51109731
>>51109561
There are surely other methods than violent takovers?

>you seem to be a Spainboo
The biggest Spainboo of the all

Croatian is good, you should feel good, OP.
People like random shits on /int/ not something that needs too much reading and brain power, to be honest.

give us back the gold

>>51109900
Croatia is better off than Spain I guess, but I have heard that croatians are generally rude, is this true?

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>>51110156
Do you know how much your post pains me? I've been shitposting non stop for about an hour or more when I opened /int/ today. Legitimate shit smearing. Now I wanted to discuss something else. I always get the urge to talk about these actualities in the evening. Peak energy, I assume

>Fixing Spain

Why keep trying to fix something that just doesn't work.

The best thing that could happen to us is an agreed dissolution that allow us to control ourselves.

It has no sense that two regions like Andalusia and Euskadi should have a common economy or being the one and the other united, because that makes both economies work worse.

>>51110257
>>51110257
When you bring back Porfirio. Only Porfirio held the reigns of Mexico the way they were supposed to be held

>>51110286
I don't think we're rude. Not that we're angels either. But I definitely think we're not a "negatively charged" population. Spain will rise, friend. My country doesn't have the potential Spain does

>>51110587
I appreciate your positivism, and also hope Spain rises again, however I don't see it happening soon

>>51105478
idk, people is too dumb so i personally would close most of tv channels and magazines and change all the education system, maybe in some decades we got a decent country

>>51110811
this

>>51108630
it would look better with less british

Spain and fix written together in a sentence...

Now that's funny. I've already lost all hope in this country and its people. And yes, I know I'm also part of the problem, but I don't give a fuck anymore

>>51111104
This is how you make Spain a Tajikistan tier economy. Send all the people to other, functional EU countries and make them send money back to their families, making the most of Spanish economy from its workers abroad

-Out of Euro, EU and NATO
-Change to one-party political system
-State owned economy, foment massive industrialization of the country to not depend on tourism
- Foment patriotism, but not in the retarded francoist way, but boosting the different cultures and languages of Spain as the important part of the spanish national identity they are.
-Build forced labour camps for prisoners
-More strict borders, and possibly deport all morrocans from Ceuta and Melilla
-Annex the shit out of Portugal

Spain solved.

>>51111555
I like this I'd vote for you

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>>51111555
>State owned economy

>>51111555
>one party system
>state owned economy
>annex Portugal

>>51111631
>he'd vote for him

lmao, lads

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>>51111915
State should not intervene in economy. Let's enterprises control the country because that's the real freedom.

>>51112049
Which books or which stuff did you read to be so interested about Spain?

>>51112325
probably for you it's better that self-employed people (autónomos) pay every month around 280€ just in taxes, but you probably haven't worked in your life, so i guess you have no idea about what you're saying

>>51112340
"The Basque History of the World" ( :^) )
and "Imperial Spain: 1469-1716", along with many other Croatian publications, articles about Spanish history and such. We had books sold in newspapers, volumes of history, so I bought the volume about late Rennaisance, Baroque and early Classicism. Conveniently, 60% of the book were hungry Spanish people and hungry Spanish wars

I am a certified Euskadiboo too and connoisseur of Spanish history from 1519 to 1643, and a connoisseur emeritus of Peruvian history from 1530es to 1820es

>>51112400
>muh taxes are bad

goyim, I know you know that paying in taxes make everything cheaper than an individual pay, that's why you're so obsessed in that demagogy of taxes.

Less taxes means higher individual payments and more benefites to your enterprises. The person will think that he's paying what he wants but the reality is that he is paying more for some services and making the omnipresent nose richer.

>>51112536
noice, if only Spaniards read more history... we would probably have a better country, have you visited the country?

>>51112536
Excuse my ignorance, but wasn't what today is Croatia one of the Euopean regiosn the Catalanes went full apeshit on?

>>51112649
faggot you literally prefer that the state chooses for you in what to spend your own money, than deciding it by yourself. If you had a shop and you had to open it every day from 10 to 14 and 17 to 20:30 and you knew the first 280€ you earn are for the state, you wouldn't think that. But once again, I'm pretty sure that you haven't worked in your life and you still live with your parents' money, prove me wrong

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>>51112762
>deciding it by yourself

>>51112842
chupapollas, cuando empieces a trabajar veremos si te gusta tanto pagar impuestos, comemierda

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>>51113012
>That reaction when someone decides to think by itself

>>51105478
Genocide the Moorish population.

Replace with Germans.

>>51113012
No soy él, pero a mí me parece evidente que es mejor pagar 200 euros de impuestos y tener unos servicios cubiertos que tener que pagar 200 euros cada vez que te haces una herida y vas al médico, cosa que sólo beneficia a los que ya sabemos todos.

Hay que estar bastante lavado mentalmente para ver más eficiente un país liberalizado hasta las trancas. Evidentemente las empresas y la élite va a ver elevada su riqueza hasta límites insospechados y así hará parecer que el país es muy muy rico, pero la gente normal las pasará putas.

>>51113266
No digo que no haya que pagar impuestos, pero es que a los autónomos en España los revientan, en muchos otros países tienen que pagar menos. Y en Inglaterra por ejemplo se ha creado tanto trabajo porque mucha gente se ha hecho autónoma y el gobierno les animaba a ello, aquí no

http://www.abc.es/economia/20150220/abci-cuanto-cuesta-autonomo-espana-201502192148.html

>>51112669
>>51112669
Never been to Spain though

>>51112755
You mean whether Catalonia is doing something Croatia did in the 90es? As I said, uncomparable, except under "regionalists demanding independence" context. The stark difference between parts of Yugoslavia was insurmountable and it was a giant social and economic strain

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>>51105478
>How do we fix Spain?

You don't.

>>51113767
Congolombian immigrant detected

>>51113751
>You mean whether Catalonia is doing something Croatia did in the 90es?
No, I quite literally mean if Croatia was one of the places the Catalanes massacred during the medieval times, since I think that's the case, making it weird that you would be a Spainboo.

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>>51112649
>goyim, I know you know that paying in taxes make everything cheaper than an individual pay.

Nice try Schlomo. The more money the goverment spends, the more it costs that product or service. And how does the goverment pay it? With taxes.

>>51105478
Revive our legitimate kings.

>>51113948
there is literally nothing wrong with being Colombian

>>51114105
I can only think of one possibility, the Catalan company, with its raids in Greece when the rulers could not pay them...

Where did you get anything about Catalans massacring Croats?

>>51114275
There is a difference between Congolombian and Colombian

>>51114267
The Trastámaras?

>>51114517
why do you love spain?

>>51114568
No, el Saboya, Spain had there a golden chance of getting rid of the Borbones, but he couldn't handle the banter

>>51114517
>Where did you get anything about Catalans massacring Croats?
That's why I said "excuse my ignorance", I don't actually know the precise places the Catalanes went, I just know they're in Eastern Europe.

Do you have Spanish blood?

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>>51114568
I think he is a carlista

(inside of this world we find probably the only socialist monarchical movement)

>>51114573
Because he doesn't live here.

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>>51114568
We of revive isabel.

>>51114573
Stupid question. What's not to like about Spain? I especially like Basques and Baskia, but also Spain as a whole

>>51114633
>el Saboya
This negro right here. Lawd, lend yo' ear to this man

>>51114711
Not one drop

>>51114865
Have you read any spanish novel? like El Quijote, or any from Pérez Galdós or Pérez Reverte?

>>51114993
>novels
Poetry is where it's at, pleb.

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>>51114993
"Don Quixote" and "Cathedral of the Sea" by Falcones and some excerpts from de la Barca and Garcia Lorca. Shameful really. But if you want to count in Hispanic, there's "One Hundred Years of Solitude", "Love in the Time of Cholera" and "No One Writes to the Colonel" by Marquez and "The Tunnel" by Sabato

I don't know the men you listed

>>51115226
Miguel de Unamuno, faggot. Also Pio Baroja.

>>51115401
>Miguel de Unamuno
A philosopher first, novelist second, and not that great one.

>Pío Baroja
The dullest, most tiring shit without any trace of grace in his prose, what the fuck, UK?

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>>51113497
Pero si España es de los países de Europa con más autónomos, pringao.

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Dead...
Last bump

>>51115391
In Spanish or translated?

>>51115516
I disagree with both of your statements.

>>51116564
Unamuno studied "Filosofía y Letras", he was, as a matter of fact, a philosopher first, and a novellist second.

Pío Baroja is widely known in Spain for being terribly boring and almost insufferable; his way of making realism painstakingly "realist" makes it quite the challenge to read him. Have you read anything from him?

>>51116438
Lei traducciones al ingles, mi hermano...como puedes ver, mi espanol es muy malo. Aprendi espanol cuando veia las telenovelas. Disculpeme :DDDDDD

>>51116832
No, si yo soy de Cantabria. Que Unamuno fuera un filosofo antes que un novelista es discutible, pero tanto me da una cosa que la otra; me parece un buen novelista.

Pio Baroja es denso y es dificil de leer, no te digo que no, pero merece la pena.

>>51116990
>Telenovelas
South-american ones? Those used to be horribly cringeworthy, but damn funny.

>>51117107
Los Serrano was a huge success in Serbia, probably was also released in other Balkan countries.

>>51117207
También lo fue en Suomilandia, ¿qué tenía esa serie?

>>51117270
Incesto y sueños, es lo unico que recuerdo.

>>51117107
All sorts. Especially Mexican ones. We liked those con Gaby Spanic, ai carrrrrramba

>>51111555

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>>51114568
>>51114715

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>>51105478
If you take back all the romanian gysies that dwell in our trash containers that would be a beginning of the recovery process