Did any of you get gud with a late start? 25 here. Is it already

>>3110824
I'm afraid 25 is the breaking point. At this time, your neuroplasticity has stiffen to the point where you can only make little to no progress. Moreover, you are unable to put in sufficient job because unlike the rest of us, you have a life. Don't waste your time with art, go back to your normie life, art is for depressed fucks who are borderline suicide.

25 is too old, try a different hobby, maybe programming or writing.

>>3110836
pfft I don't have a life. I am the superfluous man. I even identified with The Underground Man even though I was and am fully aware he's a satirical figure.

>>3110824
There{s no such thing as late. My Gramps is learning to draw at his late 60's

>>3110824
I started seriously at 28, tho I've been drawing as a hobby all my life before that, so I didn't start exactly from scratch.
I'm living off my art comfortably right now. Doing porn commissions and running a pretty succesful patreon.

>>3110844
Firez?

>>3110844
Also, I'm 33 now and I improved the most in the last 3-4 years. Neuroplasticity is a meme, don't worry about it.

>>3110846
BBC Chan

>>3110844
Yeah I've also done a lot of doodling in symbol-drawing hell since my childhood if that counts for anything

>>3110837
>implying its easier to learn programming
>implying writing is trivial either

Did you really fail to ascertain the DK meme to such a severe extent? DK applies to everything.

>>3110841
It doesn't mean much if he's shit tho

>>3110850
sure it does. if nothing else you develop muscle memory and coordination.
I suggest you to start studying seriously tho. and with this I don't mean you have to do studies 12 hours a day 7 days a week. Just find some good books and or tutorials and try to think about what you are doing when you draw instead of just doodling mindlessly. I was lucky cause I landed a long time gig (porn comics) so I could study while working.
Most important thing imo is that you grind every day and be smart about it.

>>3110854
And one last thing. The older you are the more experience you have, the more you are able to focus and be disciplined about work and studying.

>>3110824
look at these grampas with their non plastic brains

>>3110824
how good do you want to be?

>>3110867
the very best

>>3110867
>>3110873
Not me. I just want to draw convincing simplified figures and scenes in proper perspective in black and white.

>>3110853
Nah he draws pretty decently, I just can't find a photo of his recent works

>>3110856
This is also true

>>3110824
love how the face is the "Fun With a Pencil" guy

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>How did you get so good
>I just practiced all my life! TEEHEE
>Also practiced all of my life
>12 years older than the artist I'm asking

>>3110824
If you're not pro by age 20, then you literally failed in everything. Not art, but everything. Nothing can save you, I'm sorry.

Worry about it and you will never git gud.

>>3111338
>asking retarded questions
the 12 year old you asked should of told you to read the sticky

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>>3111338
>Someone asks how to git gud
>I tell them to practice
>They get upset

Why do fags keep doing this?
It's not complicated, just draw!

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>>3111382
Great picture.

>>3110848
Sup, you're really good m8. Enjoy the work a lot, your varied styles are so impressive. Interesting to hear that--I'm almost in the same boat. I'm 28 now and started the serious grind about 3 weeks ago. I drew a lot when I was a kid and through high school, though I did not draw very much in the few years from university to now.

I'm enjoying anatomy study a lot. I got standing position legs from the main views more or less down in the last week... I've set the bar high for myself and do a lot of practice but man oh man does it ever help to not be starting from nothing!

If you're still around, can I ask you how long from the time you decided to get serious to when you started being able to take commissions in earnest? How long until you got anatomy down competently? Just curious. Good to have a measuring stick for motivation.

Thanks for the inspo man, I feel like I'm gonna make it.

>>3110873
Like no one ever was?

>>3110852
Both is still easier to learn than art.

>>3110836
i am 24 soon 25 and i don't have a job i have 24/7 free can i still make it?

>>3110824
Doesnt the brain fully develop after 25? Im guessing your ability to perform critical thinking should be alot better than a 20 year old whose starting out?

>>3111454
It depends on your IQ and how good you are absorbing information.

The people who get really good fast have someone as guidance to correct their mistakes. No job = no one to pay for feedback or specialty classes.

I'm NEET, 23, and still am mad that I don't get enough drawing in the day.

>>3111464
NEET* currently...before I had a good full-time job and was able to pay for feedback classes. Really patched up some holes in my understanding. That's why I think of this theory; having an expert gloss over your mistakes.

>>3111393
My story very roughly:
I started working full time as a freelancer about 7 years ago (concept art for games and advertising for pharmaceutical companies).
Before that I worked part time in college as a concept artist for games, but I never really considered getting good at art. I always just winged it, like most people do.
After a few years of doing SFW freelance jobs, I landed a NSFW comic gig that made me realize I suck ass. In order to produce good art I needed to upgrade my fundamentals (perspective and line work above all, since I was doing pencil and ink work for comics), so I picked up some books and started approaching drawing analytically, by studying real life refs and other artists with strong fundamentals. Before that I was always drawing from memory, except for a semester in college where I did some atelier study.
I was lucky that my work was also my training polygon, so I could put in the hours and grind while I was also making a living. I improved more in those 2-3 years than I did before in my entire life. Only problem was I wasn't doing any colors at the time, which I'm trying to correct now. I am pretty satisfied with my current fundamental knowledge, but I'm nowhere near where I want to be, so I'm still grinding, trying to get better.
Imo the most important is to draw every day, to make it a habit. Grind as much as possible, but always try to get the best out of it by having an analytical approach and being self conscious of your weaknesses and trying to get out of our comfort zone (comics made me realize that). That's what really makes us improve.

If I tried something like this at 20 I would have never succeeded, cause at the time I simply wasn't mature enough.

To answer your question more precisely, you can't take anyone as an example for how much time you'll need to get good. There are just too many variables that define that. Talent, motivation, living conditions, discipline, luck.

Sorry for the walltext blogpost.

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>>3111496
>advertising for pharmaceutical companies

Once again, a reminder to everyone that commercial success doesn't require being a master draftsman or even knowing how many limbs a human being has.

Pretty sure the Wakfu/ Dofus artist started around his 30's. Not sure where I heard it, though.
https://xa-xa-xa.deviantart.com/

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>>3110836
classic.

>>3110824
what interested you as a kid / teen/ adult ?
was it left or right brain activities?

>>3111579
>this meme
Nice try 9th grade biology teacher.
>it says left brain people are better at algebra
>right brain people are better at geometry
>sucked at both
Also I sucked at a lot of the stuff on the list for both, so it was just a confusing experience that turned out not to matter much anyways because art is all about logic which no one in art class tells you. The creativity part is like 10% of it and even then creativity exists for innovation in every other field. Overall this makes me realize school was pretty trash in teaching.

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>>3110836
this

>>3111582
so are you making mad dosh from drawing?
post werk.

>>3111496

I'm no the guy who asked, but thanks for the post. Sometimes I lurk in your stream as I think it's a good habit to study how other artists work.

May I ask you to post one of those early works of 7 years ago? I think it would be motivation for a lot of anons beside me, and I'm also curious. lol

>>3110824
Min Yum started seriously at 25 I think.

>>3111496
Thanks for your response man, appreciate it.

>>3110824
dont fall for memes most of ic cant draw

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>>3111624
Here's something from back when I realized I need better fundamentals. And a comparison with more recent stuff.

>>3112614
Out of curiosity, how do you usually construct human figures? Do you just draw them out or do you start with geometry/mannequin figures, etc.

>>3112617
Easiest way to understand my process is to check my timelapse videos imo.
https://vid.me/bbc-chan

>>3112620
Thanks I'll check it out.

>>3112614
When you brushed up on your fundamentals again were there any particular books or videos you watched?

>>3112636
I used Loomis' Successful Drawing.

>>3110824
Nope, you can do it. You may find people try to bring up the "plasticity rapidly decreases after 25" argument.

I have yet to find a paper published in a reputable journal that supports the claim. As with many complex topics, it's much more nuanced and varied than reported. They see -.001 and shit their pants "See! See! It's a lower number! Proof Confirmed IWasRight!" without having a clue what the figure means, the methodology used, etc.

-Follow the tried and true wisdom, making alterations based on your goals.
-Be mindful of the dips and peaks of the learning cycle (getting discouraged or overconfident)
-Be eclectic. No one source had it all.
-Balance learning the not-so-fun parts of fundamentals with projects you love.
-The masters never stop learning.
-No rules, just tools. But still learn the rules.
-Don't come back to IC for actual advice. Ever.

Craig Mullins started in his early 30s.

>>3112650
Gotcha, I've been thinking about going back and reading the Loomis books recently. Maybe I'll make that my first reread.

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>>3110824

Most FZD students actually start at 25, so I have no idea what you are on about.

>>3112658
stuff sticks with you a lot easier when you learn it when you are younger. If you weren't drawing when you were a kid I feel bad for you.

>>3112661
fuck off feng

>>3112685
Nebulous, unquantified hearsay. I realize you are a troll, but there really are people who actually think like that. Like doing starting something as a child automatically means they will be better at it that someone who started later. There are so man variables in that sort of scenario.

What IS a good point to address in learning as a child vs adult is that the optimal learning methods tend to be very different. Well worth your time as a life skill in general to figure out how you best process information as you are now.

>>3112659
But Craig Mullins went to art school at 18 and was working for ford in his early 20s?

>>3112767
Well, drawing could fall under privileged learning. But this probably only encompasses the most basic image processing and analsysis. If you look at a triangle and a rectangle and can tell it's a house you should be good to go.

>>3112659
um, no. Craig Mullins went to artschool

>>3112658
>plasticity rapidly decreases after 25 argument

It's just another form of aversion. NGMIs use arguments like these as 1. an excuse to lean on for not getting good. 2. A way to discourage others from doing the same.

Because NGMIs are bitter they also want to drag other people down to their level.

>>3113100
Except there are chinese studies that document the loss of plasticity at the ripe age of 25. You can easily google it or continue to ignore facts. It's a meme for a reason.

>>3110836

OMG I'm 25.

You only get better. It's your choice how good you wanna get. Practice practice practice.

age is a meme.

>>3112659
no, mullins started in his 20s. you're probably thinking of brad, or memeing

Let me just draw the line here.

IF you have legitimatley been trying to get good at art...since a young age.

age 25 is the time you only begin to start getting good at art. After that you start to find your style and where you fit. Art is an epic long journey and you have no idea.

>>3113110
I'll continue to ignore the facts because facts are for idiots

>>3113121
NOOO YOU WONT GET GOOD CHINESE STUDIES DONT TRY REEEEEEE

>>3113091
I still don't quite understand the differences in the LUPI models, so I'll have to take your word on that.

>>3113100
Certainly feels that way. Nice to see most people here recognizing the fuckery for what it is.

>>3113110
Gross oversimplification that is completely out of touch with our current understandings. "Chinese studies just google it" is a giant red flag. The few papers that search brings up do not substantiate your claim. Even if it did, the last 2 years alone have completely blown all of our previous models out of the window. Still, be happy to read those studies if provided.

But while we wait for your sources, see research authored by Drs:
Maro G. Machizawa
Takeo Watanabe
Yuko Yotsumoto


>>3113144
I fucking died.

>>3112614

Thanks! That's inspiring and I'm always glad when you take the time to post useful stuff here or redline some work(At least I think you're one of the persons who do that... I do it sometimes too, but I'm not as good). Kinda funny how I don't lose hope in and anonymous board who loves to shitpost people trying to help.

After switching to porn do you ever tried to get "SFW" jobs again? Also, a more personal question that you don't need to answer, but did that type of job left a mark on your social life or nothing changed at all?

>>3113195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWz5ECw_5q0&feature=youtu.be

I made this video just for you. Enjoy.

>>3113230
kek

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>>3112767
enjoy wasting your adult years learning shapes.

>>3113212
Nothing really changed. I guess I am lucky I live in a non conservative environment.

>>3113230
what software did you use to make this?

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>>3113230

>He thinks a decline for 3.6% from your late twenties to your 40's is significant enough for you to never be able to learn how to draw

This thread is so retarded, there's people going from nothing to pro in a year working their asses off 12 hours a day, yet a bunch of anime fags here think it is impossible to git gud if you are past 25 years old, not matter how hard to try.


The level of delusion in this board, is astonishing.

>>3113665
>>3113671
Stop giving these faggots the time of day.

1. Trolls
or
2. NGMIs excuse making and trying to drag others down

>>3113545
And I mean it's not like you go around attaching your real name to your porn anyway.

>>3113677
I'm pretty sure I
1. draw more than you
2. am better than you

I just like to have fun is all.

>>3113230
Fuck now I'm sad. I'm still 20 though so I might still make it..

>>3113665
3.6% is in addition to the other effects
>>3113634
camtasia

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>>3113680

Really? Why don't you post your work?

>>3113230
>hmm lets see where anon is copping his know it all attitude from

>Canyon Ranch?

>hmmm what's that?

>"Canyon Ranch operates two destination health spa resorts in the United States. Canyon Ranch resorts are located in Tucson, Arizona, and Lenox, Massachusetts. Canyon Ranch also operates SpaClub locations with primarily day spa facilities"

>Seems legit. A health spa chain definitely wouldn't have a profit motive for scaring you about aging...would they?

>Wait... why is anon autistically highlighting shit about Alheimer's in your 70s and 80s? That's not even relevant.

>Spends a gorillian hours making this autistic video instead of practicing drawing.

>blames neuroplasticity for why he sucks

>there's literally a very good artist in this very thread who made most of this progress after 28 that I guess he just likes to conveniently ignore

Fucking end yourself, you germ.

>>3113702
>Spends a gorillian hours making this autistic video instead of practicing drawing.

If you mean 20 minutes then yes. I have a gorillian hours in experience making videos.

>blames neuroplasticity for why he sucks

I'm 23 so I'm fine. Keep on projecting, lad.

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>>3113727
>I'm 23 so I'm fine. Keep on projecting, lad.

Post your work

>>3113727
Why haven't you posted your work?

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I drew as a kid, quit around high school cause I was shit and never studied.

Almost 30 now, just started again.

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>>3113727
I'm 33. Started drawing seriously at 28. Here's my work.

Now post yours.

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>>3113744
noice.
I really like the green areas. If you could bring that level of yumminess to the rest it would be a true joy to look at. marked red what irks me.

>>3113754

Thanks. I know those circled parts are a bit rough. That was my first attempt at fabric/drapery type stuff.

>>3113751
I'm admitting I'm not better than you (yet) but I have plenty of time to catch up :-)

nice art

>>3113751
Whats drawing seriously to you and what experience did you have before you got "serious"?

>>3113763
Previous experience was winging everything and never studying fundamentals.
With drawing seriously I mean I actually started working towards improving and wanting to become really good at the craft. So I started reading books, studying using references and trying to actually understand what I was doing either right or wrong.

>>3113764

Can you make a living off art? If yes, what are you doing to get paid?


Really inspiring, Anon. Thanks for showing up.

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>>3113764

Drapery guy here. Very nice. Any material or artists you would recommend studying?

Here's a kronzprinz thing I messed with.

>>3113766
I'm living off my art for like 10 years now. Previously I was doing it part time while I was attending college. Then I went freelance and worked under contract for a few domestic companies.
After 2 years (5 years ago) I landed a nsfw gig with porn comics abroad and since it was better money I decided to go full time NSFW. 2 years ago when I felt I drastically improved, I started a tumblr gallery to try building a commissions fanbase. It turned out good and nowadays I am living off commissions and running a somewhat succesful patreon on the side.

>>3113773
blog?

>>3113768
It really depends on the kind of style you are looking for. I am doing commercial cartoony stuff (somewhat both anime and western cartoon inspired), so I try to find my inspiration in euro comics and manga/anime.
My inspirations are Milo Manara, Paolo Serpieri, Joel Jurion, Inoue Kiyoshirou, Yamatogawa.

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>>3113773

That's freaking awesome dude, makes me motivated to continue grinding fundies.

>>3111464
This

I don't know if it has to do with IQ, but you need self awareness. A lot of it. Because
1. You need to know what you like
2. You need to know that other things dont really matter as much when it comes to drawing the thing you like
Thats it. Now turning 'gitting gud' into problem with your own logical steps is doable. There are no sticks that can fly out of nowhere and jam your wheels. You do the master studies of other porn artists, figure out what you're lacking, and then build up and up and up.

You don't need to know everything before 'making it.' Nobody expects med school grads to know everything right out of school, hell, thats just the tip of the iceberg. They got so much more bitchwork to go through, BUT, the thing is, they still 'made it' in a sense. Art is the same thing, and really, everything else is. You telling yourself you're not ready is just that, you telling yourself. Doesn't matter.

>>3113751
nice

>>3113230
>is asked to provide peer reviewed studies
>ignores the research authors provided
>here's a fucking day spa
>"Brain boosters"

You just went full retard. I did enjoy watching you prove your own hellacious stupidity.

>>3114130
lighten up old man

if it makes you feel better calling me 'stupid' while disliking my video then whatever

>>3113230
>the crying jones in the background
lost it, you got talent kid. all these triggered retards who can't take a joke are probably old losers taking it personally, seeing the video as a direct affront to their aspirations. bunch of NGMI grandpas

>>3113751
Thank you for giving me faith and hope :]

>>3114136
or maybe it simply isn't that funny?

>>3114144
Then you'd not laugh and ignore it, not get triggered as if someone made fun of your small dick. Nothing more pathetic than an old cuck trying to make it wasting what little free time they have left on an endeavor that will never reach fruition.

>>3114136
tanks appreciate it
>>3114144
you're right aging isn't funny

>>3114147
That was my first post about that video in this thread.
I have no interest in this neuroplasticity bs. I'm just trying to provide some input to people that started, or are thinking about starting late.
I simply don't find that video -that- funny. Probably because I'm not familiar with a lot of meme pics that are in it.

>>3114148
It's still me, the 10 year older gramps that is better than you (your words).

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>>3114160

Really? I'm all fired up just thinking how awesome I'll be when I'm your age. Like 10 times better. You're an inspiration.

>>3114166
With the amount of shitposting you produce I doubt that will be the case.
I'm better than you because I'm older and I don't indulge in BS on image boards.
You'll have -a lot- of catching up to do if you keep going like this.

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>>3114170

10 years is a long time, don't be so negative and take solace I don't have a job nor obligations.

>>3114183
What I'm saying is that your 10 years (where you spend 60% of your time shitposting instead of drawing) is not the same as my 10 years which are all spent working (because I need to make a living).
Get smart, dude.

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>>3114238
like I said you need to stop projecting

here is my timesheet for the day

grandma moses

>>3114242
You aren't really proving anything here.
Giuven that you are a neet, you should increase that CSP time by A LOT.

>>3114242
you spend 7+ hrs using (((Opera)))
and on an outdated window machine?
Are you pathetic or do you live outside the U.S.?

>>3114251

>spend 12 hours a day staring at a cintiq to get retina surgery haha that'll defeat this kid
devilish

I need time for anime, going out for walks and and...uhm, funposting.

>>3114253
it's windows classic theme, old man. I refuse to upgrade from windows 7.
>you spend 7+ hrs using (((Opera)))
half the time it's for crunchyroll and the other time for refs/youtube/4chan

>>3114242
>>3114254
NGMI

>>3114291
post your timesheet

>>3114320
post work

>>3114325
your sheet

>>3114331
>all those hours of "practice"
>still can't post work
lmao pathetic

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>>3114332

>still no clock-in sheet

thought so

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>>3113545

Nice. Here in Brazil I think most girls would dump me if told that I draw porn. I Think most people already react kinda bad if the subject isn't "mature".

>>3113679

lol

>>3113751

I'm 28 and I started taking art seriously near the end of 2012. The problem is that I drew seriously until I got myself an Intuos... The chore of learning a new media burned me really hard, plus fears of NGMI and other real life problems at the time. After the mid of 2014(IIRC) I just stopped. Got back to it just in september 2015... I drew until the end of October(inktober), burnt again. 2016 I did 2~3 drawings the entire year.

Now, 2017, I started drawing again in August and I hope not to burn out again... Anyway I think I evolved a lot even when not doing art at all, which is kinda funny/bizarre.


Here is my "story" until 2014 with what was actually the last digital drawing I did that year, soon after cheering the fact I bought and Intuos. lol
I need to update that progress pic.

>>3114257
>half the time it's for crunchyroll and the other time for refs/youtube/4chan
in other words, the whole time is wasted

>>3114381
you're so concerned about me

6 hours of drawing a day is habit enough

>>3114386
you're the disrespectful idiot here. no wonder people give you shit. you deserve it.

>>3113230
>>3113230
>CanyonRanch website with other links to "mind and spirit" and "recipes"

Yeah sure, this was an amazing source, you sure showed us.

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>>3114656
Facts are facts, anon. And it was meant as a joke if you read the description for 1, 2 I said I didn't care about the quality and made it in 20 minutes or so. Here is the timesheet as proof on that day..."camtasia"

Also I have several youtube channels all with thousands of views and likes. You're just senile.
>>3114654
This has no relation to what I said. Maybe it bothers you that I draw more while I get to enjoy things I like. Either way keep projecting and denying facts.

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>lol I'm so younger than you, I have all of this time to catch up :)
life is going to slap a lot of people in this thread hard five years down the road

>>3113751
Nice. But from the sound of it you've always been drawing. I think when people say you can't make it once you reach 25 they mean if you're starting completely from scratch.

>>3114705
>Maybe it bothers you that I draw more while I get to enjoy things I like.
>you're the disrespectful idiot here
this bothers me

>Either way keep projecting and denying facts.
the irony, kek.

BBC brah if youre still lurking which program(s) do you use for making your art?

>>3115623
Clip Studio Paint

>>3110824
Had a 60 year old guy in a art class I took years ago that went from drawing stick figures to decent enough photo realism self portraits in 6 months. It's doable, you just need to apply yourself and all those other memes.

>>3115729
Cheers m8.

>>3115729
Ah sorry one more thing. Pro or EX? Money isn't an issue but just don't want to pay for stuff I'm not going to use.

>>3115836
I use the EX version cause back when I first purchased it (it was still called Manga Studio) I was doing mainly comics, and being able to have a spread of the pages was a neat addition.
Here you can find descriptions of some functions and a comparison table of the versions at the bottom of the page:
http://www.clipstudio.net/en/functions

>>3110824
If you start older, it's a good idea to get an instructor, so you can get the maximum results for your time, and don't have to go trough all the trial errors.

>>3115863
that is a good idea at all ages

>>3110836

This is true, as a 28 year old wageslave all I can do as a hobby nowadays is sleeping.

>>3115901
I am 33. Started my career at 26.
I live comfortably off my art and have plenty of time to do whatever I want besides work.

I think it's time to stop generalizing.

>>3115912
I'm 43 started seriously at 31 and living comfortably doing loli porn. See how easy that was?

How the fuck can we know for sure you're just not trolling by giving these old people "hope" to waste more of their life as they tick closer to the grim reaper trying to make it
>but I posted art
so did the other guy in that one troll thread and people believed it for the 900th time. You guys are so easy to trick it's not even funny.

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>>3115916
>living comfortably doing loli porn
I have never read a more pathetic sentence

>>3111464
What kind of classes should I go for if I want to get into concept art/character design?

>>3115971
> he doesn't enjoy drawing loli
Ngmi

>>3110836
>depressed fucks who are borderline suicide
sounds perfect for me then

>>3115982
You should take concept art/character design classes obviously.

>>3115989
You are very funny.

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>>3115982

If you have the expendable funds and aren't in commiefornia cgma has it all mapped out for you from start to finish. It's what I'm taking.

There is also Brainstorm School but I think they stopped online or w/e in favor of their Patreon. Not >>3115989 btw I don't know why fags respond in my place.

>>3115994
http://2d.cgmasteracademy.com
This is it?
Why not in California? I dont live there, I just dont follow.

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>26
>almost literally been drawing all my life, looking up tips and reading books and shit
>got more serious about it a couple years ago
>practice as much as my attention span allows me
>still draw like a deviant art-tier autist

>>3116008
At least you aren't stuck with stickmen anymore.

>>3116008
you must have a very low attention span then

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>>3115916
I'm BBC Chan. I posted this >>3115912 I'm not lying.
Pic attached is hi-res cropped detail of what I'm drawing this moment on stream.

>>3116022
you are my inspiration senpai

>>3110824
I made a huge push at 25 and achieved my goals. I was OK, had a childhood+ of undisciplined drawing under my belt. After 2-3 years I started getting the usual clients for illustration.

The now apparent, not-so secret is, "git gud" isn't for going from 0-100... it's for undisciplined fucks squandering their ""talent"".

"git gud" = git disciplined

>>3116028
Revolutionary stuff, thanks. Saving this.

>>3116005
yes that's it, cali is where all the schools and industry is

>>3115916
because 4chan never lies to help people but just to drag down their perception of just about anything..

>>3116022

Hey BBC-chan.
What can you recommend for getting attention around Tumblr? When did you start to get commissions from there?

>>3116015
yeah, I can only really draw a couple hours a day without going completely off the rails and just scribbling.

>>3116028
>muh discipline

you mean "muh brain's ability to focus more than other people can".

>>3116107
>>>3116028
>>muh discipline
>you mean "muh brain's ability to focus more than other people can".
Wrong. focus is obviously your problem, discipline is separate problem. Maybe you suffer from both.

>>3116084
- Have good art
- Pos as much as possible
- Post Fanart
- Have a consistent style

The more of these you cover, the more you'll get noticed.

I started getting commissions mostly from Hentai Foundry people. I think that's a better place to post if you want to get a commissions fanbase.

>>3116133
>reductio ad absurdum predetermination

>>3116142

are you a self taught?

>>3116147
>tips Beret

>>3116154
Yes.

>>3116133
If that was the case I'd have prolly moved on to something else by now.

>>3115841
Thanks again. Looks like Pro might be the more practical bet if you're not heavy into doing actual comics.

>>3112614
BBC will make it

The rest of you losers complaining about age and shit, fuck off you were never in the mindset of making it to begin with Glenn Fucking Vilppu is like 70 years old and has more talent in his small toe than you idiots have in your entire body, Age hasn't slowed him down one bit he is still an art master and BBC will join him once he gets that age too because he decided that age wasn't a limiting factor to skill.

>>3116336
>BBC will make it

>will make it

>literally a full time artist

I'd say he already has.

>>3110836
This.

If anyone has ever read Animators Survival Kit, there is a passage in the book that says anyone of the age of 25 and over if they havent drawn since childhood or have not gotten to a sufficient apreciative drawing level at this age, will never improve.

>>3116336
BBC only got to that level because he's been drawing since childhood. Quite literally he doesn'tcount.

>>3116484
Irrelevant BS. Like anyone that has never drawn before the age of 25 will suddenly want to get super good at it so that they can make a career out of it.

>>3116490
>ive never seen it happen so you are lying

the post

>>3116484
I didn't read that.

>>3116488
Yes. It is quite disingenuous of him to act like he started "for real" at late twenties. Firez (if you take his word) did start from scratch at 28

>>3116519
given what it says it's probably a waste of time.

>>3116535
the guy who made who framed rodger rabbit made it you retard.

>>3116535
>>3116519
>>3116490
I mean, I read the book but I never read the part where he says that.

>>3110824
Started at 25, now 30 and I just threw in the towel. Life is shit, I go on because my only option is to live the trainwreck till it's over.

>>3110836
Stop being a deppressed faggot, if you want something work for it, doesn't matter when or what just fucking do what you want.

>>3116601
that movie is pretty tasteless and a meme desu

>>3116831
nigga you're a meme for Krugering this hard. We're not all gunna make it that's just life.

>>3111382
No one wants to do the work. They just want to have the skill given to them. Nothing worth doing is easy and it's never too late to learn to draw if you really want it.

>>3111382
Because it's terrible advice. Way too vague. No one wants to hear everytime they ask. I'm pretty sure the answer they're looking for is what exactly you practiced. Not that oversaturated stuff.

There's a reason people who have practiced for years are still the same level. They have been practicing, just not the proper way. "Just draw." is the most useless advice to give someone just beginning.

It's not just because people don't want to hear it, but it's because your advice needs to kill itself.

>Inb4 but that's how you DO IT!!!!!!

It is but at least try to put effort into it. Otherwise why bother answering?

>>3111464
IQ is literally a meme. Why do people actually fall for this?

>>3116601
He's also very mentally ill.

>25
>Do art! Do what you want and you can't go wrong!
If I don't take this chance to do what I love, I'll never be happy
>26
>Loomis!
Wow I'm improving so much, but I'm so far from [artist I love] I fear I'll never get there.
>27
>Remember networking! You may be crap at drawing but getting your work out there will magically do something good for you!
>28
>It's okay if nobody gives a shit about your work, keep posting daily! And don't compare yourself too much to others! You have your own path and that's okay!
>29
Of course there's no "good enough" and it's never too late to start because we say so! Remember to buy our course on how to make it as an artist (only 25$ for part one!)
>30
>Omg why are you quitting, you're only a little bit away from getting somewhere!

>>3117220
Post your work

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>>3117223
I answer these every time and I fail to see what you get from it. This was a drawfag request.

>>3117169
Yes, let us just ignore the bell curve and its existence.
>>3117232

I don't want you to suicide anon but that looks bad. Have you tried studying seriously? It doesn't look that way to me.

Or I was right and 25 is the breaking point after all.

>>3117236
No hard feelings, I've quit and if I manage to learn how to flip burgers correctly I'll hve something else to do with my life. I'm slowly detaching from /ic/ so you guys just have to bear with a few more rants.

I did nothing but draw for these years and I practiced construction really hard. Mostly pen and ink because I wanted to do comics. Lately I don't even want to touch a pencil anymore because it only makes me bitter. I don't want to necessarily say that talent exists or there's an age where it's too late, maybe I'm just mentally deficient and I can't learn. But I can't say I don't look at all the art instruction world with a cynical eye.

>>3117236
And what exactly does that prove? My point still stands. Only retards wanting to be smart think IQ is actually accurate.

And no I don't hate iq because mine was low. It's 125, basically reminding me that IQ is bullshit.

I have no idea how people in this day and age, with information at the click of a button can be so fucking uninformed about something they constantly praise.

IQ is not an accurate measure of intelligence. You can search up 'is IQ accurate' and the first answer is no. Though me saying this will not change your mind since you want to be smart so bad.

But go on, use a test that is pretty much incapable of actually measuring intelligence to validate yourself. If you honestly think a test is enough to account for the full scale of human intelligence you might actually have a low IQ.

>>3117245
I think you are missing the point, anon.
IQ was probably just used instead of intelligence.
Probably you are right about the whole IQ BS, but I am pretty sure intelligent people have an advantage when it comes to learning anything.

>>3117253
> but I am pretty sure intelligent people have an advantage when it comes to learning anything.

Yeah I can't really deny that.

>>3116336
Is this a joke? Glenn "Fucking" Vilppu has been drawing his whole life.

>>3117170
wow, you mean like many other great artists?

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>>3117168
>Ask vague question
>Get a vague answer
>"s-stupid artists >:("

kys

>>3117388
Wrong person, buddy. I was just explaining why the guy reacted how he did.

The thing that gets me is that the guy is not asking for advice on how to get good and thinking 'wow that's terrible'. He's just reflecting on how he's been practicing all of his life while not improving, and the person who is 12 years younger has been practicing at a younger age.


Now it's obvious at this point if this person is so good you would want to know how they got to that point. A simple 'I practiced' is probably the worst answer to get, only because the guy is doing exactly this.


At this pointyou see practice itself is not working for this person. So maybe elaborate on how you practice instead of giving a shitty canned answer that everyone gives.

Sure you don't have to give advice but if it's gonna be shit how about you just don't?

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>>3110824
>tfw 23 (24 in decemeber)
>been drawing all my life
>bitch out of going to art school because that shit it expensive
>end up just going to community college and fucking around and drawing less and less
>friends are graduating university
>not art but doing things with their lives
>still trying to hang on to art, hoping I'll go somewhere with it

I'd like to think that as long as you're serious about it you can make it work at any age (under 35). Dont be like me, dont peter off and make little progress for like 2 whole years and barely draw.

>>3117168
>"Just draw." is the most useless advice to give someone just beginning.

It's actually pretty decent advice to give to a beginner, it's bad advice for an intermediate where more strategic practice is going to begin making a difference. Too many fucking beginners on this board (myself included when I started) crippled themselves fretting over what the 'optimal' practice was starting out. None of it is optimal starting out, and beginners often throw their toys out of the cot when their Loomis bloke faces don't magically teach them construction, because they're copying pictures out of a book instead of learning a concept. Intermediates, in my opinion, are far more fertile ground for those concepts.

Your early gains will be 90% mileage, and after a few months, if you've got a brain, you'll become aware enough of your weaknesses that you can ask a better fucking question than "how do I git gud at art!" Instead it'll be something with more concrete answers, like if you asked "what's a good perspective book" or "what's wrong with this leg I drew" "how does construction really work?".

>>3117451
I was specifically referring to the guys situation. It's clearly not the case for him. A guy 12 years younger than him is apparently a lot better than him.

He's not even complaining about his situation. He's just like 'feelsbadman.' Guy hops in saying "JUST PRACTIC, I swear u guys get mad when i say that. I wonder why that is"

It's not a question of mileage especially for him since he says he's been doing it for a long while but still hasn't improved.

There's a difference between telling someone who is just beginning to just draw and telling someone who has been drawing for over 24 years to just practice. He replies to him as if he's seen this before, but this situation is different from completely beginning art.

That dumbass canned answer has nothing to do with the situation. It's not like the guy was complaining about the answer he was given but Other guy just jumps in so as a matter of factly claiming they should just practice. Clearly that's not the solution for this person since he has been going for 24 years+ and obviously needs a more direct set of advice.

Maybe instead of complaining about the lack of decent questions you should ask them about their situation to make it easer for you to assess it. If your only reaction to a vague question is "well you gave me a vague question, so." maybe you're not fit to be giving advice.

>It's not my fault that your question is bad

Why even attempt to help at this point if all you're being is a sarcastic ass. Seems like the entire point of someone doing this is to troll. It seems so ridiculous that you answer with the entire point of being vague just out of spite for the person asking. Just leave it to the people who actually want to help.

>>3110836
>I'm afraid 25 is the breaking point. At this time, your neuroplasticity has stiffen to the point where you can only make little to no progress.
Wrong. I made most my progress at 30. Before that I did shit doodles briefly with no training or direction, knew none of the basics. The brain just has a harder time as you age and forming new pathways requires a lot of work and dedication to keep from forgetting shit quickly.

If you can dedicate the time it's never too late.

Funniest thing is that how if you just Google "neuroplasticity and drawing" you get almost no relevant results and what results you do get involve stimulating the brain through drawing itself.

I see nothing about "after a certain age you can't learn to draw".

>>3117980
There is a difference between learning to draw and the absorption of information to quickly get better at drawing. Anyone can draw. But not everyone can draw well. And very few will make it to an expert level after the age of 25.

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>>3110824
Brad Rigney is forty-something now and he started at 29 years old. He reached an insane level and makes a decent living working as an artist, he was just prolific and went all in. He paints all his shit from scratch too.

pic related is something of his from like 7 years back, I still have the Massive Black tutorial for it on an old hdd somewhere.

>>3117984
Tell me where you're coming from with this position. Did you make it? or did you accept you were ngmi. Age?

I think it's just obvious/common that someone that reaches an expert level will have found their passion early. But i don't think drawing specifically is analogous to Athleticism or eSport.

I'm positive an average intelligence person can pickup draftsmanship in adulthood to a high degree and reach mastery in their middle age like they could creative writing, woodworking, culinary or figurative sculpture.

>>3117998
>confirmation bias

>>3118002

I don't know why you refuse to see the facts:

Undergraduate students: 951 (65.2%)
BFA, Certificate
Average age: 21

The average age of an Art Center College of Design student is 24, and 25% of the students have already earned a degree from another institution.

Ringling College of Art and Design
average age:
21

FZD - 25 * with the exception they already can draw to a degree with their admissions process, a fresh fish would be chewed out at this school for one, 2 they would be wasting their money

Most people who get into drawing have been doing it at an early age. The passion and inspiration was engraved long ago so they tend to stick with it in adulthood. A 25 something who is fresh off the platter who wants to get into drawing now has to work extremely hard and not have any obligations or family. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's impossible to get good without outside assistance and 8 to 16 hours a day of focus.

You're competing with the young kids who are in school for God sakes. What makes you think downloading a vilppu lecture of CGPeers will get you anywhere close to employment compared to them? You're going to need to invest & have ample time.

>>3110836
this honestly
if you didn't start by at least 18, you're fucking done

>>3118006
I was giving OP an example of an artist who started later than 25, and managed to get good.

Brad is just one example. Yea, there are just as many if not more people who start that late and get nowhere, I'm not denying that. I'm just pointing out that its doable and people have done it.

>>3110836
>>3110837
It might even be before that. Neuroplasticity ending at 25 is the most optimistic estimate. Generally, it slows down to a halt once you're 21 or 22.

I'd say 23 is the absolute latest point to get into art, or to any subject really, like programming. Even then, you'll never be good if you started at that point.

>>3118012
this, get fucked you sad, balding wannabes.

>>3118012
Oldfags absolutely destroyed

Why does this board have so many shitposters?

>>3110824
you will never be the best.
you will never be top-tier.
but you can git gud a.k.a. decent a.k.a. better than at least 70% of /ic/.

if you seriously need validation from retards that lurk on this board (including me), then you're ngmi.

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>>3117450
too late. already was you. except i'm not 24 yet, which means i still gots time.

>>3118035
Because art isn't static like STEM. It's got many shit that are misunderstood.

>>3110824
You'll be fine. Might not make it to top-tier.

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>>3118012
>tfw you spend your teens / early twenties playing with a band, and getting drunk / laid like a rabbit
>too much alcohol probably damaged my brain
>I never got into drawing seriously even though I liked it as a kid because my priority were fucked
>Wasted my life all these years
>Now I know that art is really, really what I want to do but it's probably too late for me to learn.
Wake me up

>>3117220
holy shit are you me? this is exactly the phases I went through.

>>3118012
Citing FZD literal meme school.. college attendance..where most grads are unhireable with only 1 or 2 per class suitable for internship level work.

If MAKING IT to you is getting your foot in the door you're in for a rude awakening.

Expertise/Mastery isn't guaranteed and there's living proof of people that have found their footing post 25. It's common for successful people to have a snaking career path full of lateral moves and fresh starts. People who's careers have been a linear rise will hit a ceiling mid career and suddenly be confronted with their first crisis.

>>3118052
Then its not even worth it.

>>3110824
Its a combination of neuroplasticity and the free time available you have.

Past the age of 25 responsibilities, living conditions, and daily routines will start weighing you down. Combine that with a stiffening neuroplasticity and you have a recipe for stunted creativity and curiosity. You start falling in routines, get exhausted, stressed, you try to escape by numbing yourself. And before you know it its too late.

Those that go gud past the age of 25 lived comfy lives, got bored one day and started drawing without any distractions and thus they improved. They had it easy.

The rest of us will have to work for it or it may be too late. depends on the individual current situation.

>>3118088
Hey. I'm sure it's common. I still can't even get the base construction right and I fudge almost every drawing right off the bat. At some point beyond very basic learning I just stopped improving.

Feels good to have started seriously at age 10

Just lmao @ you guys

>>3118104
>Those that go gud past the age of 25 lived comfy lives, got bored one day and started drawing without any distractions and thus they improved. They had it easy.
No, you just got outclassed by a better man. You'll meme for neuroplasticity but not IQ/"""talent"""? Follow the Instagram of any creative industry vet, you'll see they're just good at anything they decide to pick up whether it's a related creative side hobby, to fitness, cooking or music.

>>3118108
honestly, I started off mimicking old western/golden era comic and animation characters than I did with Loomis. I was 25 at the time. Made major improvements in 1 year with my linework but then around the 2nd year I tried my hand in color theory. That wasn't working out too well. 3rd year I was burning out. I knew someone online who I befriended started off the same day I did. By the time I looked over his work, he was already taking commissions and was getting popular. That's when I quit.

Though just recently, I'm trying to pick up drawing again but I'm very scared to draw. Those 3 years were painful years and I'm afraid I'll relive them.

>>3118116
I don't really know what to blame. I can't blame the time I put into it because I was drawing literally all day, I took a sabbatical of a couple years just to draw more. I'm still shit at the very fundies I practiced. I can't blame the learning sources 'cause I learned from what's acknowledged as THE good books and courses to learn. I didn't waste too much time on theory either, I experimented a lot and tried to do my things all the time. I used reference, drew from imagination AND I drew from life, too, whenever I could.

I should be good at this point but I'm shit. I think I don't symbol draw anymore and I think there's some sort of competence showing through in my drawings but they're so fucking ugly and unappealing. I can't competently, confidently do a thing that I'm rock solid at. The only thing I like are my figures because my anatomy is OK and I like the proportions I use, but the faces are always bad.

IDK. It's not like there's no competition around, what chances do I even have? The world is not going to wait for me to get decent and I don't have groundbreaking ideas to make up for it. I want to learn SO bad that I'm being mistaken and if I do this and that I can still make it but I know it's all going to be an illusion.

>>3118125
have you tried copying your favorite artists?

>>3118116
How old was that someone?

I'll bet they were 18 or 20, max.

>>3118134
Yeah. Mostly studies on composition, or sketches from paintings but sometimes I tried to rip off someone's style as it is. The other day I was reading Dr. Slump and I tried to copy his characters, which resulted in a string of Proko kangaroos despite it being really simple.

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>>3118104
>25 lived comfy lives
Frank Bacon didn't exhibit till his late 30s and was thrown through a window

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>>3118116
>expected to be a master in 3 years

you're not gonna make it because you're a fucking retard. nobody except for the 0.001% of actual prodigies (not the /ic/ meme variety) in the world could become good in a short span of time

>>3118135
I think he was 18 when he started drawing. He mostly started off coloring my work and eventually mimicked my line work and took off running.

>>3118142
I wasn't expecting to be a master in 3 years. I was expecting steady improvement but nothing was clicking. I didn't know what else to do.

>>3117232
This is a cool drawing

>>3118144
Maybe they were a troll? Life's not a competition between you and the other person. Find someone worse than you to be better than.

>>3117232
It's similar to a comic book I used to read. Get a portfolio, make up some qualifications and go to an employment bureau. Or self publish and hawk around.

>>3118144
Knew it.

Neuroplasticity and talent are EVERYTHING, folks. Anything after age 22 or 23 is a dead-zone.

>>3118161
Why are you even on this board

This thread is so sad.
People should realize that there is much more to art improvement than just age and intelligence.
I feel bad for all the obtuse people in here.

>finally muster up the motivation and courage to gather all the proper materials, put in work into a guide to learn from and sit down and draw
>literally the first post is worst post
>23
>physically feel burden and depressed again, lose all motivation once again to actually learn instead of doodling

God fucking damnit I hate you people.

>>3118179
You have two prime years left. Get to it.

>>3118181
stop this

>>3118183
What's the problem
You can be good if you try

>>3118177
If your drawings are hideous there's little else to speak for

>>3118179
first post is a shit post

>>3118177
No need to feel bad. They're probably trolling. If not, then you can feel bad. I don't think anyone honestly believes these ridiculous claims unless they're actually that much in denial.

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Someone said I was lacking for my 4 years of drawing, but that only encourages me to draw more but i can tell from your first year to your 4th year you'll definitely see improvement. Watch how other artists do stuff and mix in your own "spice". Talk to other artists too and never give up. Also my blanket.

>>3118195
I wouldn't call them hideous, but I still have to improve a lot. And even tho I'm over 30 that's what I intend to do.

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>>3118195
>Cy Twombly

>>3118215
When did you start?

I don't know why people have so much issue picking up Scott Robertson's book and grinding away. You make a lot of progress that way.

>>3110824
>Drawing in pubic
>someone asks to see my work
>they're impressed
>feel good
>they show me theirs
>it's a slightly worse version than what I can do
>realize that they're like 3 or 4 years younger than me
>feel bad

Anyone else know this feel?
It's not that I need to feel superior than others, it's just knowing that others will surpass me by the time they even reach my current age (24), and I'll be playing catch up to them eventually.

>>3118144
You got cucked lol

>>3118326
post your work

>>3118299
Freshman year in high school, a little bit in middle school but i didn't count that because all i drew was stick men

>>3118343
If I remember to after work I will.

>>3118302
Because they have no self-esteem whatsoever and don't want to succeed

>>3110836

This is a troll/joke.

A truly devoted and creative individual can begin, learn, and master many disciplines over a lifetime. Age and brain development is nothing in the face of effort and technique. If you honestly work at it you will be fine. Most would-be artists 25 or younger have no advantage other than free time (anon's only valid point).

>>3118482
>ignores the statistics
>n-no I'm 30 and still want to make it drawing sailormoon

If you're a loner fine. But at that age a man must think about having a family. That is the age of responsibility and not enough free time.

>>3118485
Those are random obligations you just decided to tack on.

>>3118485
Also the reason older people in their golden years (55+) can "make it" is because they're retired and have, guess what, loads free time to go to painting workshops and paint at boat docking sites.

>>3118487
Those a natural human needs. Especially if you're a woman.

>>3118485
>But at that age a man must think about having a family.

>still believing this nonsense at a time when housing costs and the expenses of raising a child are higher than ever

>>3118498
>It doesn't take much to have a child.

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>>3111496
Thanks for sharing your experience, it makes me think more about what I should do now.

>>3110824
bumskee started at 25. you're never too old to git gud until you reach the point of arthritis and dementia, the biggest barrier you face is that people become risk-averse bitches as they get older and can't handle the necessary failure it takes to improve.

>>3118495
If you are so weak that you act on every pressure someone puts you in, then no wonder you are all fucking losers.

>>3118506
please sterlise yourself

>>3118662

>the words of anon's fathers doctor

>>3118485
>having a family

lol. I hardly consider it a responsibility to render new NGMIs into the world

>>3118139
he's also shit

>>3118157
Thanks but no thanks. I can't even draw basic 3/4 heads reliably after years of practice. I'm done.

>>3118012
>Its the Juliard of graphic design

who talks like this?

>>3118482
I think its more like anyone who is naturally talented is going to have a natural drive to create in (insert medium) well before their mid twenties. Its a textbook case of confirmation bias.

>>3119509
>naturally talented
you know talent isn't real, right?

>>3119511
no that's dumb. Anyone can learn to write appealing music. Not everyone can learn to write Bach-tier counterpoint. Not everyone can learn to draw perfect anatomy from imagination either.

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>>3118012
>FZD - 25 * with the exception they already can draw to a degree with their admissions process, a fresh fish would be chewed out at this school for one, 2 they would be wasting their money
Is this a joke? Most FZD students draw worse than /beg/gars and they git gud in one year grinding fundies like madmen 15 hours a day.

>http://fzdschool.com/entertainment-design/before-and-after

>>3119533
>cherrypicking
>circling a daddy's wallet student
>completely ignoring the top one is vastly better than the one circled

How do you know the person circled isn't 25? Because that was my point; starting fresh at 25.

You oldfags are so desperate to cling onto your beliefs. A simple google search you'll find students blogs and their experience. Also an FZD video goes over what students portfolios were accepted (I don't have the time of day to go looking for the exact video but it's one of the early vids).

http://www.colourcow.com/studying-at-fzd-school/

example

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>>3119538
I dunno how they tell themselves this shit either. I drew all the time as a kid and I'm still worried I won't make it because of my learning disability.

>>3114245
underrated post

>>3119538
>You oldfags are so desperate to cling onto your beliefs
People in their 30s and 40s are INVENTING new industry standards everyday, they learn/create new software/pipelines/techniques and push the envelop every year, they never stop learning. Most people hit their stride mid career.

I'm not really sure what your point is exactly? do you really think it's just a young mans game? Those entry level positions are a pittance designed for new blood to cut their teeth. Who do you think picks up the pieces every time one of these fresh talents bombs on the job?

>>3119549
how are you not following this? We're talking about oldfags with no experience.

>>3110836

Is the general consensus that if you haven't made it by 30 you should kill yourself?

Because I'm going on 33 in two months and am garbage despite trying to learn to draw my whole life. I did a kind of "last hurrah" a year ago and messed my wrist up, but I did improve much more quickly than I ever have. Now my wrist is fine and I am back.

With the birthday approaching though, I'm getting second thoughts. More desperate to put it together now than before, but I'm still dead set on jumping off a bridge if this isn't going to work out.

.>>3111496

Thanks for sharing, BBC. Your work is great.

>>3119556
no, you're talking oldfags explicitly with no time to commit to a new craft
no shit they won't learn as fast as someone committing more time
there is no "age cut off"; either you have the time or you don't

>>3119556
if neuroplasticity was real vets wouldn't be able learn/adapt/invent new industry standards every year. and yet they thrive.

>>3119571
>>3119569
They've been in the field a long time so it's easy for them to keep up? Shocking.

>>3119569
I'm glad we can come to an agreement that oldies don't have the >time<. If you can joggin' your noggin' one last time and realize why you're outclassed by younger people due to this 1 aspect then this thread can reach a complete finish.

I'm not a believer in the 10k hour rule but a student putting in 8 to 16 hours a day will be far more ahead than the 30 something working at Mc donalds. You (or another anon) highlighted FZD and yet you ignore the FACT that Feng talks about self study and how much hours you need to put in (6 minimum) or you'll never make it. Someone younger will have 3 years experience in 1 year than someone (like you) putting in 2 months experience in 1 year time frame.

It is what it is.

>>3119562
Hahaha I'm doing the same. We're bridge pals now

>>3119599
hell you might as well give up at age 18 because you're way too busy with college or work to learn anything

>>3119618
Why would you go to a non-art college if you want to draw?

>>3119538

I am actually 21, lmao. I just think you are full of shit and there's nothing stopping someone who's 25 or 30 to git gud beyond grinding fundies like a madman.


I don't know what you get out of kicking people around, but it sounds like the only insecure person here is you, to be honest.

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>>3119578

>Let's keep finding excuses every time to my made up claims are blown off the water with real life examples
I old timers can adapt and learn 3D now that is is picking up pace, then anyone can fucking learn to draw.

>>3119629

>there's nothing stopping someone who's 25 or 30 to git gud beyond grinding fundies like a madman
>Moreover, you are unable to put in sufficient job because unlike the rest of us, you have a life

I rest my case.

>>3119569
b-bu-but i thought plasticity was r-real, how are these old phogeys tooling around in VR making sex robot waifus real?!
>i-its not fair!

>>3119641
The founder and creator of Oculus was 19 at the time and became a billionaire by 21. Get body bagged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff1-_gBSb78

>>3119632
I wish I could get all my practice heads ever from the recycling bins and post them all ITT.

I've done HUNDREDS of pages only of heads, I do construction from the Loomis books to a T. I tried doing more construction (side cuts on the ball, planes etc.) and doing less (just a cross on the ball and the jaw box). I've tried fiddling with the brow line and where the eye sockets are at, and I've studied hard how big that cut on the side should be.

It all looks fine and dandy and if I showed you the construction until that point you'd say "ah, this is going to lead to a nice drawing". Then I start putting the features in and it looks like SHIT. SHIT.

I would never blame Loomis also because I've looked somewhere else (maybe from anouther source I'd learn better) and tried altering my course of action but no fucking chance.

Yes I know what the eye looks like, yes I've practiced from life, I've taken entire courses just for the fucking features. I've done an entire, long-winded Vilppu course where he describes all the features in detail. I put the same effort into this shit I put in my university courses and my drawings a fucking awful.

My best stuff looks like the generic Tumblr style and I hate it so much it makes me nauseous. If this is what my shit has to look like I'd rather quit.

>>3119645
These reaches are sad
>John Carmack
wow btfo yet again. Kept reinventing the industry multiple times into his adulthood,
>b-but muh plasticity!

>>3119657
Carmack didn't do anything remarkable since joining oculus. You're at your end, old man.

>>3119632
jesus fuck learn english you mongoloid.

>>3119641
Their pensions probably depend on it.

>>3119632
AND FUCK, don't you understand how art fundamentals would naturally carry over to 3D?

Goddamn you people are stupid sometimes.

>>3119648
Look up P00se2 on twitch. He explains drawing almost every time he streams. You can check out his previous broadcasts when he's not live.

Whatever you are doing now is simply not logical. That's why you aren't getting anywhere.

>>3119704
What does he have that's outstanding? He copies photos from reference without really aiming to get a likeness. I need to draw from imagination because I want to make comics. My issue is with construction, I can't even make appealing cartoony characters.

>>3119715
I feel like I'm Rob fucking Liefeld

>>3119719
we're all Rob fucking Liefeld, in a way

>>3119648
Anon the only way we could really help you is if you show your work, or be really honest and tell us just how much you study. It sounds like to me that you just don't draw from life enough